Successfully pass my RX580 GPU to Majove. Absolutely gorgeous!

Motherboard: AsRock x570m

CPU: Ryzen 9 3900X

Host GPU: RTX 2060

Guest GPU: Sapphire RX580 Pulse (https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=rx580&qid=1568143642&s=electronics&sr=1-2) There doesn't seem to be that reset but.

Monitor: 34BK95U, the 5k2k ultrawide monitor (https://www.lg.com/us/business/desktop-monitors/lg-34BK95U-W)

Distro: Manjaro KDE 18.1.0-rc6.

Things work: iMessage, App Store, iCloud

Screenshots:

https://imgur.com/a/rki7HSt

IOMMU Groups: (I have to enable AER/ACS in BIOS otherwise I only got like 9 IOMMU groups, BIOS version 1.8. Note that BIOS 1.4 causes issues with 2 GPUs plugged into the slots)

IOMMU Group 0:<br />
        00:01.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
IOMMU Group 1:<br />
        00:01.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]<br />
IOMMU Group 10:<br />
        00:18.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 0 [1022:1440]<br />
        00:18.1 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 1 [1022:1441]<br />
        00:18.2 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 2 [1022:1442]<br />
        00:18.3 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 3 [1022:1443]<br />
        00:18.4 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 4 [1022:1444]<br />
        00:18.5 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 5 [1022:1445]<br />
        00:18.6 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 6 [1022:1446]<br />
        00:18.7 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse Device 24: Function 7 [1022:1447]<br />
IOMMU Group 11:<br />
        01:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57ad]<br />
IOMMU Group 12:<br />
        02:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]<br />
IOMMU Group 13:<br />
        02:02.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]<br />
IOMMU Group 14:<br />
        02:06.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a3]<br />
IOMMU Group 15:<br />
        02:08.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]<br />
        06:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Reserved SPP [1022:1485]<br />
        06:00.1 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]<br />
        06:00.3 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]<br />
IOMMU Group 16:<br />
        02:09.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]<br />
        07:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)<br />
IOMMU Group 17:<br />
        02:0a.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device [1022:57a4]<br />
        08:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)<br />
IOMMU Group 18:<br />
        03:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller [0108]: Intel Corporation SSD 660P Series [8086:f1a8] (rev 03)<br />
IOMMU Group 19:<br />
        04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480/570/570X/580/580X/590] [1002:67df] (rev e7)<br />
        04:00.1 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere HDMI Audio [Radeon RX 470/480 / 570/580/590] [1002:aaf0]<br />
IOMMU Group 2:<br />
        00:02.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
IOMMU Group 20:<br />
        05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation I211 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1539] (rev 03)<br />
IOMMU Group 21:<br />
        09:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation TU106 [GeForce RTX 2060 Rev. A] [10de:1f08] (rev a1)<br />
        09:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation TU106 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:10f9] (rev a1)<br />
        09:00.2 USB controller [0c03]: NVIDIA Corporation TU106 USB 3.1 Host Controller [10de:1ada] (rev a1)<br />
        09:00.3 Serial bus controller [0c80]: NVIDIA Corporation TU106 USB Type-C Port Policy Controller [10de:1adb] (rev a1)<br />
IOMMU Group 3:<br />
        00:03.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
IOMMU Group 4:<br />
        00:03.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse GPP Bridge [1022:1483]<br />
IOMMU Group 5:<br />
        00:04.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
IOMMU Group 6:<br />
        00:05.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
IOMMU Group 7:<br />
        00:07.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
        00:07.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]<br />
        0a:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Function [1022:148a]<br />
IOMMU Group 8:<br />
        00:08.0 Host bridge [0600]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge [1022:1482]<br />
        00:08.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]<br />
        00:08.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]<br />
        00:08.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to bus[E:B] [1022:1484]<br />
        0b:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Reserved SPP [1022:1485]<br />
        0b:00.1 Encryption controller [1080]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse Cryptographic Coprocessor PSPCPP [1022:1486]<br />
        0b:00.3 USB controller [0c03]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Matisse USB 3.0 Host Controller [1022:149c]<br />
        0b:00.4 Audio device [0403]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse HD Audio Controller [1022:1487]<br />
        0c:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)<br />
        0d:00.0 SATA controller [0106]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] [1022:7901] (rev 51)<br />
IOMMU Group 9:<br />
        00:14.0 SMBus [0c05]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller [1022:790b] (rev 61)<br />
        00:14.3 ISA bridge [0601]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge [1022:790e] (rev 51)<br />
```<br />
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<br />
# Issues and bullshits<br />
<br />
I even have a folder in my bookmarks called &quot;Hackintosh BS&quot;. The following articles bookmarked in that folder had helped me in each respect. <br />
<br />
## VFIO issue links<br />
<br />
https://superuser.com/questions/1063240/libvirt-failed-to-initialize-a-valid-firewall-backend<br />
<br />
https://passthroughpo.st/new-and-improved-mac-os-tutorial-part-1-the-basics/<br />
<br />
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21722330/missing-dev-kvm-while-kernel-module-kvm-ko-and-kvm-intel-ko-are-both-loaded<br />
<br />
(Very very helpful) https://www.reddit.com/r/VFIO/comments/b8wzoa/problems_removing_gpu_device_from_amdgpu_driver/<br />
<br />
https://github.com/vanities/GPU-Passthrough-Arch-Linux-to-Windows10<br />
<br />
https://passthroughpo.st/explaining-csm-efifboff-setting-boot-gpu-manually/<br />
<br />
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/452934/can-i-pass-through-a-usb-port-via-qemu-command-line<br />
<br />
https://www.redhat.com/archives/vfio-users/2016-March/msg00088.html<br />
<br />
## Monitor related issues<br />
<br />
(Very very helpful, the default resolution of 2560x1080 looks fairly small and at the time I couldn't get higher resolution) https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/anyone-got-the-lg-34-34wk95u-monitor-working-on-hackintosh.264526/page-4<br />
<br />
## Things don't work yet:<br />
<br />
The monitor has integrated speakers, but for some reasons I have like 6 HDMI audio outputs but none of them work. The audio device of RX580 is also passed to the guest, so I am a little stuck. Any help?<br />
<br />
Also, need to figure out Bluetooth.

Hey! It looks like you've got a pretty solid build started here! I just want to point out a few things to make your life just a little bit easier.

1. The motherboard you have will NOT work with the CPU that you've chosen. You picked a Z170A board, which works with the 6th and 7th generation (if BIOS is flashed) of Intel CPU's, and you're buying an 8th generation. So I would recommend this board or this one instead. Either will work, it just depends on how much money you want to spend.
   
2. Don't buy the power supply you've picked. It puts out way more wattage than you'll use, so I would recommend saving some money and maybe picking up this one. As a bonus it has an RGB fan, so that's kinda cool. It's also fully modular, meaning that you only need to plug the cables into the PSU that you need instead of having extras to hide in your case.
   
3. I'd also save some money on your RAM. This set is cheaper, faster, and only requires that you use two of your RAM slots instead of all four. More upgradeability in the future!
   
4. Think about if you really need 2TB of storage right now. The 1TB SSD you have picked out is going to be great, and if you're new to PC gaming it's going to have plenty of space for awhile. You can always pick up a new HDD (like the Seagate one you have in your cart) later down the road.
   
5. With the money that you've saved, I think that you could upgrade your graphics card from your 1060 (a GREAT option, don't get me wrong) to a 1070 like this one. (EVGA is a great company in my opinion, and I love their graphics cards.) It's a great contender for both 1440p and 1080p gaming!
   
6. Others have said to get a cheaper air cooler instead of opting for the water cooler that you've picked. If you decide to go that route (completely fine) I would maybe go with something like this if you want something extra beefy to keep your CPU cool, or this less beefy one. Either way, 8th generation CPUs run hot, so the water cooler you have would work great.
   
   So there ya go! I hope that you enjoy your new build, it's going to be amazing! If you PM me I'll add you on Steam and we can play some games together when your build is all set!

This is the base build you want to work from?

why do you feel you need to upgrade? what are your current limitation and wants?

Sure you have an old build but do you really require anything more at this stage? For 2013 that is an outstanding budget build and something I would stick with today.

I think I have a good idea of where you are coming from/what you need so I will do my best to explain. I'm going to guess here that you are experiencing less than stellar gameplay on new titles and want to play on smoothly on high settings.


Assuming the 960 is a 2GB card; CS:GO and other esports titles will see very minimal difference with any upgrades, reason being that do not require or utilize any of the extra VRAM memory on the GPU. Your core clock and cuda cores are fine, better than my PC so I do not see any reason for complaints here.

When it comes to newer titles like Dark Souls 3 which you mentioned you will need to either turn the settings down or replace your gpu with a 4GB card. That will allow you to turn up the setting and maintain solid framrate, the problem with the newer, bigger games is that they have more in the environment to load.

Your GPU is still great and high valued and you do not need any PC upgrades. However if what I said above holds true I would recommend the following moving forward.

Your CPU and Mobo are fine and not worth replacing, I wouldn't worry about the ram either, 8gb is fine and you don't need anymore than 12. You can add an SSD at anytime but that will just make loading faster, it would just be to install windows and run csgo off of which is not going to be worth it.

If I were you I would sell that oversized power supply to replace with a corsair 450w, and sell the gpu for a 1050ti. EVGA comes highly recommended

I just picked up a Zotac because it was cheaper in my area but for extra $ I would stick with EVGA they have solid manufacturing, and driver support.


So your options for upgrading are pretty limited. Not much has come out in the CPU market until recently so not many people would advise you jump into Ryzen or any of the new stuff now, and your anything else in your build is fine and would costs a lot to upgrade. IF you have a 2GB card your only problem is higher settings on new games


notice your build only consumes 300w~ yet they sold you on a 700w psu. im sure if you research a bit you will find other glaring abnormalities and unnecessary choices in your build like what is your ram speed and how many sticks do you have... if you have one one 8gb you will enjoy throwing in another, twox4gb would be fine to leave

I've had this board for a couple weeks, so I'll give you a quick review if you're interested.

Some context : I got this board initially because I'm obsessed with smaller form-factor builds, didn't need WiFi, and completely understood Biostar's reputation among enthusiasts, but I didn't want to wait for ASRock, MSI, or the other brands. As much I would have liked a board that had a stronger looking VRM and such, I really didn't want to wait around for the expected release date of those boards only to find they're not coming for another month or something.

Here is my build : R7 1700, 32GB (16x2) Ballistix RAM, 1 M.2 SSD, 4x sata SSDs, GTX 1070, and a 600w PSU. ( <- links if you're interested in specifics)


Anyways, onto the board. Initial impressions were pretty good. Nothing looked cheap except the IO plate which is just a sheet of metal, but that doesn't bother me. What DID bother me was the audio jacks were blocked on the IO plate, so you have to remove bits to make it fit. Getting the prongs to line up properly was a bit of a hassle, too, but not the worst experience I've had with an IO shield.

Everything on the board looked pretty sound. It came with 4x sata cables, and that's about it. Setup couldn't have been easier. I plugged everything in and it booted up with no issues. This board (for me) does however have anywhere from a 5-10 second black screen before reaching the bios every single time. Not really sure what that's about. Also, with raid enabled, the bios will flash for a moment, show the raid console deal, then go back to the bios before booting completely.

I used a Samsung 960 EVO (250GB) M.2 on the back, and it immediately recognized it without any driver fuss. Has been working exceptionally. I have a raid 0 set up in the bios for my 4 other drives hooked into the sata ports. I had no fuss getting an image from my graphics card on the initial boot. Everything just worked.

The bios. It's not exactly sparse considering it's a cheap board, and it's a Biostar, but it's very vague about what everything does. Setting some things up was a bit of a hassle because the lack of documentation and the unhelpful descriptions on the right-hand side. Getting it into raid mode was easy, but fan control is still a bit of a mystery to me, and the overclocking didn't make much sense until I did some research.

The fan control doesn't make much sense in the bios. First off, the fans default to having PWM control off, so both headers will be running at 100% on first boot (which I'm actually glad they do). Manual control doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It gives you a min and max C for different fan speeds, but setting the fan speeds is a bit different. There is a lower percentage (?) speed, and... "speed sensitivity"? I don't know what it means, but manual mode hasn't yielded any results that I could make sense of. I've only messed with it a couple times, but I really don't know what I'm doing in that regard. If anyone has any experience with that, I'd love to hear from you.

Overclocking was a mystery to me for a while. There is no core multiplier settings on the first screen for OC tweaking, and the voltages work with an offset instead of a set value. Eventually I figured out the only real option is to set a P-state overclock (which I like, personally). The catch is, when you enable the P-state overclock, the only value you can change is the core multiplier. If you change the set voltage, it will default to what I assume is a lower P-state. When trying to set my own voltage, it wouldn't run any higher than 2.7GHz. After setting the core clock, you have to back out of the P-state settings and add voltage via the +vcore voltage offset instead. Another note, the P-state overclock is only for P0, I believe.

RAM overclocking seems fine. I haven't touched it hardly at all, but my 2400GHz RAM went up to 2667GHz without any extra voltage. The bios allows you to set timings, and the voltage offset for the RAM and SOC.

Windows setup was a little bit of a mess at first. After the fresh install, it kept crashing after 5-10~ minutes of use, and the only thing that fixed it was eventually making it long enough to install Windows updates (had to do error correction along the way because of a couple failed installs... slow internet is to blame). I think that is more of a Ryzen and Windows thing than it is the board's fault.

I've been running it at ~3.9 @ 1.38V on my 1700 for a couple weeks now. Trying to push it any further past 3.9 just isn't working for me. Not sure if that is a power limit of the 4-pin, or maybe the power delivery just isn't up to it? Maybe my CPU just doesn't like it? Either way, I'm quite happy even reaching 3.9 on my chip, and I'm even more impressed that the board has kept up with it so far.

Hmm... basic stuff. No WiFi, ethernet hasn't given me any issues, IO could maybe use an extra USB port here or there, but it's been enough for me. I'm very glad to see USB-C on there, but I haven't used it just yet. I haven't used the sound card at all. If that is a big factor for you, I can't really say how good it is. I have a DAC/AMP, and my phones definitely cannot be appropriately driven by the built in, so I can't say whether or not it's decent. If you want, I can borrow some other headphones from someone and try it out, but otherwise, not sure what else to say. I'm pretty happy with this little guy. Impressed, even.

If you have any questions, let me know!

EDIT : Added links to parts. Also here is my CPU-Z validation.

Just my opinion, I am no expert, but these seem like the best choices as they are popular, and consideration how much work it would take to design them.
Also check the most popular on Amazon, Newegg and PC part picker.

CPUs from one socket look almost the same right?
So a LGA 1151 and AM3+ CPUs.

For RAM, classic PCB with black chips, maybe another one with a very simple heatspreader in different colors, as it would take quite a lot of work to create realistic heatspreaders for little benefit IMO.

Any HDD, they all look similar.

For SSDs, Samsung are the most popular and very simple to do.

Three most popular CPU coolers prolly are CRYORIG H7, Hyper 212 EVO, and Corsair H100i, maybe with addition of a single fan AIO like Corsair H55.

GPUs are tougher:

• definitely MSI twin frozr, they use them for most cards
  
• ASUS new strix
  
• Gigabyte G1 Gaming as for 1070 and 1080 and Windforce for smaller cards
  
• EVGA hates you, it seems like they have a different design for every card, but the most popular for enthusiasts could be ACX 3.0 used with 1070 and 1080
  
  Motherboards and cases: the hardest parts to pick, almost every one part is completely different from the other.
  Just go by the most popular.
  
  Anything I forgot?

FWIW, for my 5,1 I changed out my Macvidcards flashed GTX980 to a Sapphire RX580 and I've been pleased with the results. However I acknowledge that you say "best for video editing" -- which as grumpy foul mouth posted below -- there are faster alternatives but that require more mods. So for me, "best" means what gets me quickly over the Nvidia/Apple roadblock, to Mojave, and keeping my 5,1 going for a bit longer with minimum hassle and $$. To me pouring cash into a 5,1 doesn't make a ton of sense, but a $200 upgrade for another 1-2 years seems reasonable.

I regularly edit photos in Lightroom and videos in FCP. The change to Mojave is nice (be sure you have the right wifi/bt card) and the speed has been great for my needs. It's not night and day different but it's definitely faster and good enough for my daily work use -- I mostly edit 1080 and 4k from cameras such as the 5d Mark IV, GoPro, Iphone, etc. I admit though, I don't nerd out too much on comparing test scores and I also am not editing 8k raw footage. I looked up various tests and it seemed that the 580 was as good or a bit better than the GTX980, and for my daily pro use it's definitely seems quicker, especially w/ Lightroom as it now uses GPU processing.

Like @ArkadyBogdanov said, the RX580 is the simplest solution AFAIK -- just need the correct power cable (6 pin to 8 pin) and make sure it fits in there w/ your other PCI cards, as it's a bit wider than the GTX980 and similar cards. Mine is in slot 2 which disables slot 3 b/c of its width -- but there it is better cooled as it's not covered up w/ my double Sonnet sata card w/ is now in slot 1 (the bottom slot). I could put the 580 in slot 1 and barely squeeze in the sata card above it, but since I don't need slot 3 the better solution was obvious.

COMeap Dual Mini 6 Pin to 8 Pin PCI Express Video Card Power Adapter Cable for Mac Pro Tower/Power Mac G5 15-inch(38cm) by COReap
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J336WY4/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_PIJ3DbD4ENPZH

Sapphire Technology Technology Radeon 11265-05-20G Pulse RX 580 8GB GDDR5 Dual HDMI/ DVI-D/ Dual DP OC with Backplate (UEFI) PCI-E Graphics Card Graphic Cards
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_UIJ3DbAJXAJ50

Hi HellaPizza. I'm not a buildsmith, and you should wait for one of them to come around and take a look. Just some food for thought for now:

Since you'll be streaming and currently have a processor of only modest performance, our gains in the streaming department will be limited. Based on your budget, we're looking at a tradeoff between upgrading your processor and your GPU, or just upgrading your GPU. Your experience while playing and not streaming will improve significantly more if you upgrade the GPU alone. Depending on your streaming audience, you may be able to work around the CPU demands of streaming by doing something like using the QuickSync encoder of the iGPU to handle encoding to stream, but this is lower quality than CPU encoding. YMMV.

The best possible card within your budget is a GTX 1070. However, that's not necessary for you gaming at 1080p/60Hz. If a monitor upgrade is in your future, consider going for a 1070. Most of the Sub-$400 options are out of stock at the moment. If you can wait until June 22nd, this is a good deal - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HHCA1IO/

For gaming at 1080/60, you'll be fine with a GTX 1060 / 6GB model for this year's AAA games.

The best price on an in-stock GTX 1060 6GB card is this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IPVSGEC/

It will be hot and loud.

The best price on an in-stock normal-sized GTX 160 6GB card is this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZYPEHK/

You're generally looking at a 30-40% increase in FPS moving up to a 1070 from a 1060. See a comparison here. I can't find any good benchmarks for PUBG, but, if you trust this guy, this video indicates you'll be satisfied with a 1060 and performance is roughly as-expected. From my browsing, it doesn't look inordinately CPU heavy, so despite our weaker CPU performance we can probably skate by (we're not doing better within your budget, so it's a moot point).

If you want to get a few years out of it, well, no one can tell the future but maybe go for that 1070 so you can stagger your next upgrade (you're getting a new CPU, MOBO, and RAM next, ~$400-~500, a couple years down the line).

I don't recommend getting an ITX sized card or a blower-style card unless you absolutely have to for design reasons. They tend to be loud and hot. I don't believe saving a bit and saddling yourself with a hairdryer represents a good value but it's my job to present you with the best reasonable options. Maybe you don't care and you'd rather save $15.

If we wanted to upgrade your CPU as well, we'd put a 4790k in your current board to improve streaming performance, you'd have $60 left, and we'd be up the creek without a paddle. So, no-go there.

TL;DR: Don't mind waiting two weeks? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HHCA1IO/

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor | $229.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard | $141.97 @ Newegg
Memory | Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $114.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk | $128.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $62.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card | $259.99 @ Amazon
Case | BitFenix Prodigy Mini ITX Tower Case | $79.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Silverstone Strider Plus 500W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply | $74.99 @ Amazon
Optical Drive | Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer | $16.99 @ Newegg
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1097.91
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-24 22:16 EDT-0400 |

This is a pretty nice computer. I just ordered a computer nearly the same as this yesterday, only with a larger hard drive, a Zalman CPU cooler, and a blu-ray burner instead of a DVD burner.

Here are some of my thoughts on the above parts:

CPU: It has the most powerful Intel i5 CPU that was just released in June. It's an overclockable CPU and it's probably the most popular CPU on /r/buildapc.

GPU: It has the nVidia GTX 760. This graphics card is a great deal for the price. It's just slightly less powerful than the GTX 670 from the previous generation, but it's $100 cheaper. It should be able to play most games at 1080p at at least 60 frames per second.

SSD: Samsung's 840 Pro series has the best controller in the industry. This is considered to be the most reliable line of solid-state drives. It has great read and write speeds.

Case: The BitFenix Prodigy is a fairly popular case. It's stylish and available in several colors.

Motherboard: The GA-Z87N-WIFI has a built-in 802.11n wifi card, Bluetooth 4.0, five USB 3.0 ports, two USB 2.0 ports, and 5.1 stereo audio output. It supports up to 16 GB of RAM and is overclockable.

RAM: This 16GB kit is a good deal at $115. At 1600 MHz it is the fastest supported by the above motherboard. This RAM is low-profile to ensure it won't physically block any CPU cooler upgrade you may want in the future.

* PSU: This Silverstone power supply is fully modular, and it's only 140mm long, which will hopefully make it easy to install in the smaller PSU compartment of the BitFenix Prodigy case.

Yeah it'll definitely fit. Video cards are getting pretty heavy these days, but most of the weight is help by the two screws on the back of your case. With some cards, due to the way the weight is balanced on them, they can sometimes sag. Generally speaking, if there is any sag at all it is very minimal and will not affect the card in any way besides how it looks. Even so, it's not a bad idea to do something to correct the sag if you start to notice any. Every now and then a post will pop up in /r/PCMasterRace about someone fixing it in a unique way, but just putting anything beneath the far end of the card will keep it from sagging.

You could get a specialized tool, like this, or like this if it does start to sag. Alternatively, you could do something like what this guy, you could ziptie it, or you could use legos.

Anyway. Chances are you won't have to deal with any sag, but if you do there are some solutions for you.


Okay, so for your brother, you can probably do it and everything will be just fine, but there are a few issues. First of all, when you're looking at whether or not a PSU will be good enough, you want to look at the average output instead of the max, just so be sure that you aren't pushing it too hard. The PSU is the heart of your system. If it fails...well...other things will likely fail too and you'll be in a bit of trouble. The 960 draws aboout 100W at full load, and I doubt the i3 draws much either, but I can't know for certain without knowing its model number.

It would be nice to know specifics about the 350W PSU...does it even have the 6 pin connector for a video card? If not, do not use the molex to 6 pin adapter that is sometimes included. It's a great way to start a fire and/or kill components.

400W minimum is recommended for the 960, just so that you're sure to not blow anything up. If you've got the cash to spare, I would highly recommend upgrading your PSU, this one will ensure that nothing bad happens. If you can't afford the upgrade or anything, go ahead and put it in there and see how it runs, just make sure you don't do any overclocking at all. Like I said, everything will probably work, but it's always better for thing to be certain than it is for them to be probable.

Sorry if my replies seem somewhat less coherent, got my wisdom teeth out a few hours ago and I'm a tad bit loopy.

It's a good version of the RX570 at a decent price. You can get it a little cheaper (£122) here, but some people have had dodgy dealings with Laptops Direct.

There's another option here for a Gigabyte card with 8GB memory for the same price (£130) but comes with 8GB VRAM instead of 4. It should be a better performing card in VRAM hungry games.

The Sapphire card you posted (your link doesn't work, but I assume you mean this one) is definitely a good quality card. The Gigabyte one is a bit less so (some people hate Gigabyte cards).

Realistically it's about value. You want the best value for your money. It may help to know your budget, what games you want to play and at what settings as well as what the other components of your system are/will be to make a firm recommendation.

If you can find another £30, you can get some 8GB RX580's like this one. On the other hand, if you just want to play Hearthstone, League of Legends and Minecraft, you may be able to save money buy not getting a graphics card and going with an AMD APU like the 3400G.

Yes I have, I have the comment history to prove it. All I have to do is scroll down a lot. And you lost, bad. You kept trying, I kept debunking every thing you said. It got to the point where you were repeating points I had already proved false.

>I'm not here saying console is superior. But PC isnt superior either. It's all subjective idiot.

That's ironic, calling me an idiot immediately after writing a dumb ass comment. I found a $320 ps4 slim bundled with spider man for $320, and a 40 inch TV with speakers here to go with it. A total of $479.94. That plus $60-$120 a year (if you bought the ps4 slim on release that's $180-$360 extra onto the total, so 659.94-839.94 total). For that you get a device that cannot be upgraded, has a cpu from 2008, can play games at 1080p 30fps medium low settings, no graphics options, only one input device option, the option to pay money or play offline, is very limited in uses, and only 1800 ish games available 74 ish being exclusive.

Now, let's see what kind of PC we can get for $659.94, shall we? Theres a free version of windows 10 that just puts a water mark on windows products. A little annoying, but not as annoying as all the ads in sonys paid online service.

G4560 for $82.96

Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2PV for $69.99

V-Color Skywalker Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 2666MHz for $64.99

WD Blue 1TB PC Hard Drive - 7200 RPM for $43.81

XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition 1386MHz OC+, 8GB GDDR5 for $184.99

Rosewill Dual Fans MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case for $34.99

Thermaltake Smart 500W 80+ White Certified PSU for $39.99

The PC itself is $521.72 and runs circles around the ps4 slim and the ps4 pro. It is more than capable of 1080p ultra settings at 70-80fps on most AAA games. Now for the kbm and monitor.

Logitech Desktop MK120 for $29.87

Sceptre E225W-19203R 22" Ultra Thin 75Hz 1080p LED Monitor for $79.84. Its smaller but you're going to be way closer so it wont matter.

For $28.51 less, you get a PC that runs circles around the ps4 and ps4 pro, is upgradable, can be a work station, is capable of a lot more, is cheaper in the long run, has hundreds of thousands of games available on it, objectively has more high quality exclusives, has a player base 12 times the size, free online play, an entirely free game every week from epic games store (no subscription needed), and much more options.

And since you always like to say "b-b-but can it p-play d-dvds?". I first would like to mention that pcs have the option to download the movies, netflix and other streaming services exist, and if you actually do want to play movies via disk, you can spend the $28 you save on a $20 DVD drive if you want. It's an optional accessory.

Now I think I've successfully proved that you

1, have no idea what you're talking about

And 2, are wrong about it being subjective. Yes, preferring a console is perfectly fine. But objectively a PC is better in almost every way.

So basically, The MB and CPU I have are bottom line and to upgrade would to swap everything and start fresh? I cant keep this MOBO at all?
If thats the case, What parts can I look into that are comparable to high end that wont completely break me?(even if I have to buy in pieces) Im sure that Ryzen 5 is great, but there is better for a decent price, no?

And tell me about it. I started to figure that out when I asked for help. The kid is smart and has a killer rig, but apparently he likes to give me the run around. He recommended [this] (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01MF7EQJZ), going on to say that he runs a [GTX 1060] (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-03G-P4-6160-KR/dp/B01KUADE3O/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1536664980&sr=1-2&refinements=p_89%3AEVGA%2Cp_36%3A1253506011) in his and that I should spring for that if I have the extra cash.
I dont know any more. Those are both in my price range, but I cant help but feeling like there is better for the same price, like [this one for example] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KMVHB6M/ref=psdc_284822_t1_B01KUADE3O). What would you personally recommend on this? I just dont know much about building yet, and I cant trust me self to make a good decision when it comes to these things, which is why I posted in the first place. I feel so cheated.

I appreciate all the advice and info. I get the feeling you arent going to give the run around so any personal recommendation are great. You have been awesome. Thank you.

I had a quick check and a lot of those prices are wrong, or don't include shipping. I changed them to accurately reflect what you will pay. It's almost exactly the same price as your original build.

Ignore the 2133 RAM. Just leave it clocked at 1600. It just happens to be cheaper, and faster than other RAM.

This GPU isn't on Partpicker, but it's great value.

Importantly, use Flubit. It sources from Amazon and Ebuyer to get cheaper prices for you. It's amazing. Use the money you save for a i5-4460. It's around £40 more, and you will definitely save that if you use Flubit for all parts, including the 4460.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor | £92.04 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-H81M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £40.99 @ Amazon UK
Memory | G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory | £58.75 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £46.90 @ Amazon UK
Case | Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £25.45
Power Supply | EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply | £33.02 @ Amazon UK
Optical Drive | Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer | £13.15 @ Amazon UK
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) | £49.99
Monitor | BenQ GL2250HM 60Hz 21.5" Monitor | £92.39 @ Amazon UK
Wireless Network Adapter | TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter | £12.00 @ Amazon UK
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £464.68
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-27 21:57 GMT+0000 |

I would put a GTX 1050 ti in there to get the most out of your A10 CPU. The integrated graphics can run WoW but it's not ideal. GTX 1050 ti is really ideal here, going much higher and you're looking at noticing the limitations of your CPU too often. Your A10 is fine for it's price, but it's not really in the same class with GTX 1060 and higher, those are best paired with a Haswell or Skylake quad. A balanced system will run consistently, whereas an unbalanced system will run very well in some titles and comparatively not very well in others.

SSD would definitely be the second best upgrade, check out Crucial's new MX300 for really good price per gig and a good solid product with acceptable speeds. If you get a 1050 ti and a 525gb MX300 you're looking at like $260 ish to make that thing scream.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-525GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B01IAGSD68/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480483313&sr=8-1&keywords=525gb+mx300

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-DisplayPort-Dual-Link-Graphics-ZT-P10510A-10L/dp/B01MCU1ERO/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1480483341&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+1050+ti

> Will I have to worry about gpu sag? Should I get a support bracket?

GPU sag indeed is something that does seem to happen very randomly. I think that it's not something you have to really worry about too much. I haven't seen or heard about a single GPU destroying the motherboard it's PCI-e slot.
The old school method of "fixing" it, was to use a fish line.

But yes, you can also buy a support bracket. I wouldn't order this right away, this one blocks some PCI-e slots.

I would recommend to buy a GPU with a backplate, this helps a good amount with sag. But it can still happen, in general I really haven't seen a GPU die because of sagging.

> For the keyboard I will probably just go to that pc store I mentioned a while back and just see if I can try out some keyboards in person and get one that fits me well. For the mouse the mionix seems great, I'll probably side with that.

Sweet! Yes it's really nice to get a feel for the mechanical switch before you buy it. Also, a mechanical switch is very different compared to laptops. So give it at least a couple of minutes, you have to get used to it!
But if you don't like it, then don't worry, there are lots of "flat" keyboards of high quality as well.

> I have to say, the more I read about these processors the more I'd like to overclock in the future.

Overclocking really isn't very difficult anymore these days. I've provided guides & the software that you need to overclock the CPU & GPU. It's really not too difficult and you should be able to do it, it only does take time! A good overclock needs at least 12 hours of stress testing.

> The external usb optical drive looks great. Never knew they existed! Can they write disks as well? The one you linked me seems like it can write and it comes at a pretty cheap price. Good deal.

Yup! It does write disks as well. CD & DVDs.

> How did you determine the power supply? I'm sure the 750 watts you chose is the correct one, just wondering for my own knowledge how and why you chose it. Just an online calculator? How much spare power will there be if I overclock in the future?

Reviews! Both the CPU & GPU are actually very power efficient. This system will pull around 250W at most under full load, 300W if you overclock heavily. Because when you overclock, you need to provide more voltage to the CPU & GPU thus more power is needed.
I went with 750W to allow the option for SLI later (adding a second GPU for more performance) if you ever want it.
This PSU is more than enough for overclocked CPU & GPUs.

• GTX1070 power consumption (card only) 193W at it's peak for just the card. The rest of the system doesn't pull more than that either.
  
• GTX1070 power consumption (full system) 225W during gaming, with an i7-6700K overclocked to 4,4GHz.
  
• GTX1070 SLI power consumption (cards only) 329W for both GPUs, that's 421W left for the rest of the system before you hit 750W.
  
  > 'm thinking of a red/white theme in the red s340 case. How do I get some components to be red or white? I see many peoply just use high temp engine paint enamel. Can I remove the shields off the ram? How can I change the color of the fan rings? What about the cables?
  
  Yes, yes, yes, all possible. I can make the system more red & white. There are RAM sticks that are white, there are motherboards that are red & white. Cables are also available in red & white.
  
  It does easily add a lot of extra cost tho!
  
  > Oh and for the monitor I decided to stick with the one you already picked. I did some research on monitors and I think the asus pb258q is the right one for me. I play cs:go but not at all competitively. I do play a lot of killing floor as well.
  Can't wait to start the build!
  
  Awesome! I'll puzzle together a suggestion for you after I'm done with work later today.

Unfortunately amazon in Canada is sparse for good deals on computer components. To put it simply I've bought 1 computer component, an evga 760 dual superclocked for 230$ 1 year ago. That's how rare it is to find better pricing than the top 5 CDN stores.

I have amazon prime for other reasons than the free 2 day shipping and it's fantastic, but recently got premier from newegg and it has paid itself off faster in the span of 3 weeks. With their over priced shipping it made their good deals weak, but the free shipping is great and their sales back to strong.

Ncix recently moving to free shipping for a ton more items has been very attractive as well. I've almost split my purchases for electronic/computer parts to 50% newegg / 30% ncix / 10% Canada computers / 5% futureshop / 5% other

I would advise looking at either a RX580 or a GTX 1060 or RTX 2060. I wouldn't recommend getting anything lower because then your would have to change settings and stuff.

Secondly, is the card you are choosing has a version with higher VRAM, you might want to pick that. (RX580 4G be RX580 8G) a lot of games need the extra memory and will load faster, won't stutter as often and will be able to use higher quality shaders compared to a lower VRAM card.

Also if you are going for a Nvidia card, you are going to want to buy a EVGA card. They have very good warranty and have overall the best support and rma I have used in my life.
You can search Google for them and mostly all you find will be people praising them lol.

If you are going to buy an amd card, you should look into sapphire. I don't have experience with them but all I've heard has been extremely good.



Overall, I think the best card you can get would be this
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_l8F3Cb638CQS0

Good luck and hope you find what you need. If you need any help on anything you can PM me or use reddit chat. GL bro!

• 750 Watt Power Supply. $89.98
  
  
• Generic Corsair Case. $64.99 You can shop around for something better looking for a little more money.
  
  
• DDR4 3200 RAM (2*4GB Sticks) for $147.99 and DDR4 3200 RAM (1*8GB Stick) for $160.32. You can also drop to 3000MHz and save like $5-10 but not worth it in my opinion.
  
  
• GTX 1060 3GB for $304.99 or GTX 1060 6GB for $389.99.
  
  
• i7 8700k for $449.99 or i7 7700k for $422.96. 8700k is 8th gen and 7700k is 7th gen. You can drop to any processor around an i7 7700 (No "k") without seeing issues I'd assume. WoW is a processor heavy game though. Still my i7 8700k only ever reaches maybe 30% useage that I see.
  
  
• Heat Sink + Fan. Cooler Master is good. $34.99
  
  
• i7 8700 will require a 300 Series Motherboard like ASUS ROG for $141.50 or ASUS Prime for $84.99. The 7700s will take a 200 series motherboard like this one for $129.61 or this one for 149.99. Basically just make sure it has all the hook-ups you need (sound and USBs and shit) with the proper chip set and supports DDR4 RAM with minimum 1 PCI Express slot for your GPU.
  
  
• Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD for $179.94 or the 250GB for $109.94. Any decent SSD will do. Make sure it has enough room for your OS and the game(s) you play. You can use any regular HD to store other stuff on. Samsung is a good brand for them.
  
  When trying to decide on what power your PC needs a good website to use is http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/ - it'll give you a general idea since I get confused with all the "i7/i5/i3 XXXX gen X" nonsense too.
  
  That'll build you a tower. Then you just need external components. Monitor, keyboard, mouse, headset, chair, desk, etc. Depending on what you have available and stuff it can vary so I'll let you price out that stuff.
  
  $1,358 pre-taxes if you go with i7 8700k, and GTX 1060 3 GB. For the tower. Taxes in, plus all the other components you're still looking at pushing close to $2000. That's CND I think. If you do a little shopping around you might get a decent deal on a few items and look into different price points between AMD and Intel if you choose their Board/Chip/GPU combos.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor | $239.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler | $34.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | MSI Z270 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard | $129.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory | $112.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $74.99 @ Best Buy
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card | $259.99 @ Amazon
Case | NZXT S340 - Designed by Razer ATX Mid Tower Case | $94.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $79.99 @ Amazon
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $92.99 @ Best Buy
Monitor | LG 29UM67 29.0" 2560x1080 60Hz Monitor | $269.50 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1440.40
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-21 15:10 EST-0500 |

If you want to try 21:9 ultrawide, this should be a good place to start.
I included a CPU/MOBO/Cooler that can handle modest overclocking, incase you want to jump into it. There's a good guide on /r/overclocking and many youtube videos out there to get you started.
I went with a RX480 because the monitor supports Freesync. This an AMD only technology and would make this setup truly worth it.
Now if you didn't want a 21:9 ultrawide, you could swap that out for a GTX 1070 and a 144Hz 24" 1080p Monitor. Though I will note, that this monitor is also freesync and would benefit from an AMD GPU. That being said, the RX480 has a hard time reaching 144 FPS in most newer games.
* A note -- The 21:9 Monitor I included has support for 75Hz Freesync over Display Port, despite the product page on some sites listing it only at 60Hz.

tl;dr: is the premium price of the GTX 1060 6gb worth it over the GTX 1060 3gb?

edited for clarity

i built a pc last march on a z170 motherboard and an i5 6600k, but i recycled my video card from my previous build. it is a 2gb radeon 7870 that i bought back in april of 2013, so... pretty ready for an upgrade? the primary reason that i'm looking to upgrade is that i'm finally pulling the trigger in water cooling and i want a card that i can find a water block for. EKWB offered one for my current card but they no longer do.

i think i have decided on the GTX 1060 either in the 3gb version (currently $200) or the 6gb version (currently $260). I'd like to keep it under $250 but if i'm really going to see a big enough performance benefit with 6gb over 3gb i'll adjust the 'budget' upwards by $10.

these days i am primarily concerned with pushing multiple monitors, and i play both WoW and FFXIV. the card is still doing me pretty good, so if there's a good reason to hold off for awhile, i could just shelf the idea.

CPU Cooler: Buy the Cyrorig H7. It's the best in it's price point at the moment, and looks amazing. You won't need a better cooler for anything unless you want to overclock, which you really don't need to do with a CPU as good as yours.


Video Card: For 1080p@60fps, I would advise the GTX 1060 or the RX 480. Both will crush 60fps at 1080p, but if you want extra future-proofing at a higher price, go for the GTX 1070. The 1060(try for 6GB), and the RX 480(try for 8GB) are excellent cards that will run any modern game well, even at 1440p. The 1070 is even better, but only really needed if you want something like Hairworks for The Witcher 3 or intensive mods for Skyrim.

RAM:Since you have a motherboard with 4 RAM slots, get another 2 4GB sticks of your current RAM and run it in quad channel, 16GB in quad channel is amazing for modern games, although your RAM's speed isn't probably high enough nowadays.

PSU:Upgrade if you want to(I'd advise it), but I won't go advising you on any because PSU's can be so inconsistent. Just try for one above 600w that gets good reviews and few failures, unless you feel OK about your current one.

Hey, thank you! I really appreciate that :) Green is my favorite color, and this was the most tasteful case I could find that was full tower. I don't like a whole lot of bells and whistles on the outer frame, and I seemed to like the contours of this case. The edges were a tad sharp, but very gracefully bezeled where they needed to be. NZXT has some pretty amazing case layouts, as well as amazing grommet points for cable management. After I get settled into my new place, I'm going to redo the cable management, as well as the CPU heatsink fitting (gonna rotate it so that stupid wire isn't all cattywampused over the top of the fan lol).

I'm still undecided about a Polaris or a Pascal card. Granted, I've been a die hard AMD fan since I switched from Nvidia, which was way back when I first bought an HD 4890 (which is still a bitchin' card still by the way, especially for people who don't play much high end). However, that being said, and for budget vs performance, I am more inclined to grab an EVGA GTX 1070 SC.

I don't know about you, but I prefer just cheap monitors as it doesn't make any difference to me. This is an acer 1080P monitor for $116. As far as graphics card, maybe a 970. Actually cheaper than a 780 and 770 currently from what I can see. Here's one for $370. Don't forget you need windows and a psu, and maybe a DVD drive

You could save money and get a cheaper Cooler master hyper 212 evo or Arctic freezer i30.

Probably a cheaper case. Maybe a Rosewill Challenger U3 or a Cooler Master elite 430 or Cooler Master HAF 912

And maybe a better CPU with the money you save on those things. AMD has pretty good performance to price ratio. FX- 8350 is a lot better and only like $10 more. And is 8 core if that means anything. You can check at http://pcpartpicker.com/ to find compatibility. Most likely with the AMD processor you would need a different mobo

No, that PC is not enough to run Rust.
I see your budget appears to be very low, I'll give you a better suggestion.
At your price range, I'd suggest buying an older prebuilt, (sometimes colleges give their old PC's away for ridiculously cheap prices. You might be able to snag one there) but I'll give you a link to Amazon for one.
I would get this as it has an older I5, which even given its age, should do fine for Rust, and then upgrade it to suit your needs.
You also want 16GB of RAM if possible. The game has frequent stuttering on 8GB or even 12GB
This would probably be a good option, overclock it if possible
You're going to need a GPU. If you want to play it safe and go brand new. An RX 580 would be just fine for playing this game, hell you could probably do fine with a worse GPU. They regularly go on sale for under $200. $200 should be the absolute maximum you buy this card for.
If you have to go used, I'd suggest a GTX 770 if you want to save a bit of cash. The card should also be just fine for Rust, I'd try to snag anything used from the U.S to reduce the odds of being scammed (It's a huge business in cards made in the China area, unfortunately)
The last thing you will need is a new Power Supply, as the one that comes with the prebuilt sucks.

This Specific Power Supply should do you just fine. EVGA makes some of the best stuff out there when it comes to a power supply.

​


If you don't feel qualified to do any of the modifications to the PC required, just look up how to do it. There are plenty of great guides out there for that sort of thing. Shoot me a DM if you want to know anything else.

MSI, Gigabyte, Asus all use superior parts in their gpus.

EVGA runs louder and hotter than these 3 but its customer support is GODLY. Brand loyalty actually matters then the customer support is this freaking good.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-gtx970gaming4g

This is my personal favorite.


http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-strixgtx970dc2oc4gd5

Is what i have. Overclocks a little less than the msi but it's still a beast.


http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphics-GV-N970G1-GAMING-4GD/dp/B00NH5T1MS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417317698&sr=8-1&keywords=gigabyte+gtx+970

This is the gigabyte model. It's got a tri cooler design and it's suppose to be a beast when it comes to oc and cooling. 3 fans though means it's a little louder but that's it. oh yea. it's long. like super long.

Looking for the best value for a graphics card to pair with an i7 3770K for BOTW Wii U and eventually Switch emulation on linux. Have been using the iGPU as I haven't been gaming on PC for a couple years. I don't want to spend more than 300 bucks, ideally more like 200. 60 FPS would be nice if possible but not essential, and I would definitely like to pump up the internal resolution for a 1080P monitor better than the original consoles can do.

What do you guys think is a good value? I was looking at this RX 580

https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8

I have had a great experience with my 1050 Ti SC, but you can get it cheaper here:
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01MF7EQJZ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498018511&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+1050+ti+sc

And with that $20 I would highly recommend upgrading that CPU. You should really spend the vast majority of your money on the GPU and CPU (I think it is a mistake to spend more on your MOBO, case, and psu than your cpu). I think you could get an i5 in this build for sure if you get the gpu from amazon and find a less expensive mobo and psu (go with the 500 B from EVGA for great value if you don't mind non-modular).

Otherwise it looks like this is gonna be a great build!

Bit dark of a photo but the red looks very nice as a theme. I too use an MSI 1070 and went with Fourth Level Manufacturing's brace on amazon - Atlas Graphics Card Brace Support - 19 bucks retail
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQK7DDW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Looks like there out of stock at the moment but i got one for a discount recently and installed, as they didnt know if it would fit a 1070 as they said they couldnt get there hands on one themselves. It fits great, price is very good.. i'm only concerned if i can keep it in my case if i get a 2nd 1070 once the prices drops haha..

My own install can be seen @ http://imgur.com/tjilazh Thanks!

Just like everyone else is saying you should wait to see what 3rd gen Ryzen has to offer before making a purchasing decision on a new CPU. Rumor has it 3rd gen ryzen is going to get another core count increase and significant boost to clock speeds so its worth holding off til then. With regards to your GPU you mentioned its starting to give out on you? I assume its out of warrenty by now so that is why you are looking at getting a new GPU.

In the interest of value i would seriously avoid the RTX 2060. The GTX 1660ti is looking like a good value proposition currently and if i had to pick between the 1660ti or the 2060 i would go for the 1660ti. On the other hand you could consider getting an RX 580 8GB. This one on Amazon is only $189.99 and should perform a bit better compared to the RX 480. (assuming you were satisfied with the current performance of the 480) https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_3?crid=385DKW1HZJU1A&keywords=rx+580+8gb&qid=1550951906&s=gateway&sprefix=rx+580%2Caps%2C307&sr=8-3

Thanks man, i really appreciate it. Wow, that is such a cheap power supply! Will that fit in my computer? Im just worried about how hard it would be to remove my old one as its a prebuilt and looks like its in some kind of steel box. Ill ask a friend if he could help me, because replacing the power supply for $35.00 seems like a no brainier.

However for now, i think with the amount i use my computer, and with the current card i have, i think im just going to get a 1050ti or a rx460.

Right now, the rx460 is only $85.00 after rebate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125897&ignorebbr=1

This is the best price i can find on a 1050ti, I wouldnt mind paying
$115. But is it is evga a good brand and signifigantly better than rx460

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MF7EQJZ/?tag=pcpapi-20

To be honest, I don't remember why exactly I bought this one, but at the time I remember seeing a few attractive qualities about it: the benchmarks showed 1060s are very capable at 1080p, the superclock makes this one a bit more performant, and so does the 6GB of VRAM but it also makes it a bit better for future-proofing, and it's made by EVGA, my go-to company for GPUs. Also, I think the non-superclocked has a worse cooling system. I can tell you going with the mini was definitely not because of the case (the full-sized SSC is 10$ more expensive, so maybe that's why). And the one I picked was (and still is) the most popular 1060 on Amazon. Also, the 1050 was not enough for my needs and the 1070 was too expensive.

Here are videos (1, 2) of people who installed a GTX 1070 inside their XPSes.

And here's one thread (because there's a couple) from the Dell forums where people talk about their upgrades.

But also, if you do buy a GPU, please get it from a place which has an easy returns policy, just in case there's an incompatiblity somewhere (I haven't heard of one, but you never know).

Ahhh, good 'ol LGA 1366, one of my favorite platforms of literally ALL TIME! You have a few options for upgrades definitely. I would recommend a Xeon x5670 as a great cheap CPU upgrade. You will also want a GPU upgrade, that old quadro FX is gonna be awful for any gaming, something like a GTX 1050 ti would be a great choice. You will also want some more RAM, upgrade that 4 GB to at least 8 GB. It will be DDR3 1066 or 1333 MHz most likely so get some of that. I actually run this exact CPU and GPU combination, a screenshot of my Xeon system here and it works very well for 1080p gaming. I also use it for 4k gaming with a bunch of older games, on my 4k TV.

Edit: Almost forgot! Also get a cheap 120 GB or 250 GB SSD! You may want to save a bit more money first though, these upgrades will be more than $150.

TL;DR - Buy this card, put in computer, play game.

Thanks to the link to the Amazon seller page provided by /u/probartlett155, we now know the following:

• CPU: AMD A4-6300 (2 cores @ 3.7GHz)
  
• GPU: No discrete GPU, but an APU; AMD Radeon HD 8370D
  
• RAM: 8GB
  
• HDD: 1TB HDD @ 7200rpm
  
• PSU: 400w (switched? unknown)
  
• Chassis: Aerocool Strike-X
  
• Motherboard: Unknown (not cited on the seller page)
  
• OS: Windows 8.1
  
  According to the seller, this motherboard does in fact have an open PCI-E x16 slot available. This makes things a bit easier. A discrete GPU is available, though with the current configuration, not a top-of-the-line one. I like the suggestion from /u/PapayaPies to get a GTX 1060; alas, that is not possible currently due to the underwhelming power supply.
  
  Cheapest, easiest solution: EVGA GTX 1050 Ti SC from Amazon for $140.49USD (plus S&H).
  While there are two cheaper options, I'd recommend the EVGA variant as my history with them has been rocksteady reliability (I still have a system built pre-i3/i5/i7 that runs on an EVGA motherboard and video card). I consider this option the cheapest and easiest as all that is required is the following:
  

1. Get card.
   
2. Power down computer.
   
3. Open chassis.
   
4. Insert card into available PCI-E slot.
   
5. Close chassis.
   
6. Connect display to new GPU.
   
7. Power on computer.
   
   While we could go with other options; they're more expensive and require a new power supply at the very least – adding not only $50 to $80 to the total cost after the video card; but time spent rewiring power connections, as well.
   
   It is important to note that this particular video card is bus-powered only; and does NOT need an additioal power cable running to it to perform its function.
   
   With this configuration, a reliable gaming experience in Overwatch and other games can be readily achieved with minimal downtime and risk to the components. I'm sure this is not the way some Redditors would do things; but again I remind you, we're trying to get him playing Overwatch as quickly and as cheaply as possible.
   
   Comments
   Whomever these sellers are that are selling “gaming computers” with just an APU and not a discrete GPU need to be punched in the babymaker. While I understand they're a business and trying to make money; they're flat-out lying about the capabilities of these machines. They're nothing more than office workstations with a fancy chassis. I'm sorry, /u/probartlett155, but I feel like you got scammed. :(
   Windows 10. It is also worthy to note that for some damn stupid reason Microsoft includes as part of its OS something called “Xbox Game DVR”. This comes ENABLED by default; and without an account with Xbox Live, requires you to edit the registry to disable. Why disable it? It is poorly coded and causes a significant drop in performance. In your situation, we need every drop we can get. Steam has a howto on disabling it via registry; but I'd wait to muck about in there until after the GPU has been installed and performance can be assessed (yes, I'm looking for trouble here, I know, I'm sorry).
   
   Recommendations
   If you find the above solution acceptable; then I would recommend going ahead and buying the video card and getting things going. I would NOT recommend spending any more money on this particular rig, though. Mosey on over to /r/buildapc and poke around a bit; start saving money for a newer gaming rig that you can call your own.
   
   Final Thoughts
   Sorry for your troubles, man. Hope you can get into some Overwatch, I personally love the game. Also, without further adieu – welcome to the PC Master Race (#PCMR, /r/pcmasterrace).
   
   May your framerates be high and your temperatures low.
   
   Happy fragging!

First off, thank you a ton. I asked a friend of mine to look at the build (sorry, but I like to check things :P, I'm paranoid), and he said it looks great. I was curious though if you had the time to verify a few things for me. I couldn't find a few of the things you had suggested so I checked on some other things... Could you verify that they are just as usable for me please?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GQMHBI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A34FFV8YYDM571

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064GOQ86/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHW4HXY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088PUEPK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0055QYKQO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1XBPHGHAXLHDG

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QBUL1C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A30YNTVQ04HG16

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003HE260I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

And sorry for the late reply. I've been trying to ensure that I have the money together so that I can actually pay for it without running into issues haha.

Hello again Oolon,

I managed to snag the monitor you suggested me for 600$ (150$ cheaper)! Glad I waited. Thank you again for the suggesting me this build! However, I wasn't able to catch any significant price drop for the Radeon RX 580. Do you believe it will become cheaper?

However, some other graphic cards such as the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce® GTX 1070 are having insane 75% price drops. Have you been following these? Is there a graphic card that had a huge price drop that I could fit in my build? I haven't purchased any part yet except the monitor, haha.

Cheers! - Zero

Edit: Hmm, I'm browsing through the GPUs. Could you please tell me the difference between the GPU you proposed
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B06Y66K3XD/?tag=pcp0f-20
and this one?
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B079NX4GCF/?tag=pcp0f-20

Thank you so much!

Edit #2: I ended up having a change of heart for the monitor. I chose to go for a more powerful and durable PC with a lower-quality monitor.

> I opted for two mDP connections because I basically don't know any better. I think the Dell monitors in my office right now have both HDMI and MDP ports. If I can reliably run a dual monitor setup on Linux with a one-port card then that is great news. Thanks!

You want a two-port card, but pretty much any card will have that. You just might need to get an adapter cable since mDP is a pretty rare connection on most cards outside of workstation / signage cards. For instance, something like https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01MF7EQJZ/ would have both better graphics performance than that Quadro K1200 and is $100 less. You'd just need an HDMI cable and a DisplayPort to mDP cable (both cheap).

> So what's the deal with Intel's integrated graphics? Would that be sufficient for me?

That processor (and all of the X99 processors) doesn't have integrated graphics. You need a graphics card if you want to go with a high-end chip like that.

Sorry, I worded a lot of this wrongly for I was quite rushed. I also left out some info for fear of the text box disappearing when I left my tab since I'm using my mobile device atm since I'm away from my desktop.

The power supply is the EVGA 500 W1, 80+ WHITE 500W, which was one that EVGA reccomended after I used the tool they have for picking which one to use, but I'll also look into the one you selected since it seems to be decent.

When I said "plug into my Alienware," I meant the graphics card because, not lying, I used to plug my monitor into the Intel graphics card instead because I didn't understand that that HDMI port was the wrong one. This time, I meant that I don't know how my case works and whether the tower/case comes with a way to plug in a DisplayPort cord since I know that DVI-D and HDMI don't allow 144hz.

I'm strictly Nvidia, sorry, but I'm not into AMD. Also, I want to try out ShadowPlay (I currently use DxTory) and the GTX 555 sadly doesn't support that. I know AMD has amazing products, but I am the type of person that sticks with what they're used to unless something different is so much better that it would totally blow my mind (why I switched from iCancer to Android phones (the OnePlus 3T is such a phenomenal phone for such a low price, like woah)).

That whole optimization thing was something from a long time ago that I don't quite remember, but I think he said something along the lines of having to mess around with the processor or something to get the most out of the RAM I installed. Idk, I just know I took the old RAM sticks out and replaced them, turned my PC on, and it said I had 16 GB, so I was happy (although Chrome uses a good 30-50% depending on how many running tabs I have).

Also, I'm not 100% about the power supply I currently have. I just know the unit is probably about twice the size of an Xbox 360 power supply unit, if not 1.5x bigger.

Oh, and lastly, with the SSD partition or whatever it's called, I just know that it is the stock that it came with, so I think it's just an internal HDD. I would actually love to get an SSD for Windows and applications to work faster and speed up copying times, but I don't think I'll spend money on that yet. I'll probably upgrade that once I do a full upgrade to my PC, processor and everything. I'll probably do that in 3-5 years time or whenever 4K replaces 1080p in the gaming standard and 120 fps becomes the new basic benchmark for PC and even console gaming if the peasants decide to actually put effort into making their gaming experience more than just mediocre. Although mouse and keyboard will always beat controllers unless you're talking about Rocket League since that's a bit easier on controller.

So yeah, thanks for the extra help and listening to my elementary knowledge in the field of PC gaming rigs. Other than the AMD vs Nvidia change, do you think you can change anything from my change list that could potentially help my rig last for even more years to come?



Here are the links to the various upgrades I was looking at before making the original post:

GTX 1060 SC
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-06G-P4-6161-KR/dp/B01IPVSLTC?th=1&psc=1

Acer 144hz monitor w/ G-Sync
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B2HH7G0

EVGA 500W Power Supply
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-WHITE-Warranty-Supply-100-W1-0430-KR/dp/B00H33SFJU?th=1&psc=1

And yes, I'm not a true Redditor since I don't know how to do hyperlinking and other things to these links on mobile version or even desktop tbh. Sorry about the shitty links.

Remember: Always be cautious when using payment methods other than PayPal Goods and Services.

Always have a seller/buyer comment on your thread, this is so you know that they haven't been banned.


Title: [US] [H] GTX 1080 FTW GPU [W] PayPal or any other currency

Username: /u/luminative1

Original Post:

I have a bunch of BINB EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X, RGB LED, 10CM FAN, 10 Power Phases, Double BIOS, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 08G-P4-6286-KR on me.

The amazon link;

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6286-KR/dp/B01GAI64GO/ref=sr_1_7?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1536071658&sr=8-7&keywords=1080ti&refinements=p_85%3A2470955011

For $450 each. I have about 5-7 of them.

Paypal accepted. Delivery time would be a week, since I have many more things and would have to look around!

I also have the 8th gen intel cpu, corsair rams ddr4s, amd ryzen as well. Bought off an entire lot just for the gaming community! :)

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Holy balls, this giveaway is amazing. Congrats on the profit, OP! I'll be entering for a [GTX 1080] (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6286-KR/dp/B01GAI64GO/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1478058678&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx%2B1080&th=1) although I do wonder if I'll be fine pairing it with my i5-6500. I'll probably have to upgrade my 1080p monitor to preferably 1440p one if I win but that's for later and chances are slim. Getting ahead of myself already lol. Ah well, if anything, I'm entering for the thrill of it! Thanks OP!

Thanks, I had the same question and this was pretty helpful. Although on the American Amazon, comparing the two EVGA versions (750 Ti vs 760), it's more of a $100 difference. Aside from the better performance, I'm trying to figure out if that's worth the extra $100. One the one hand, I like how the 760 can do SLI, which might be nice in the future if I ever get a second graphics card. But on the other hand, the 750 Ti doesn't use any power from the PSU, just the motherboard, which is pretty convenient. Are there any other major differences or considerations I should think about? I'm still a bit new with trying to build my own computer and it's still a little difficult finding the right parts.

This is awesome OP thank you! I doubt I will win but this is what I want, a 1080, building my dream PC and this is going to be the hardest part for me to get. So it would help me build the PC of my dreams much faster!

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-STRIX-Graphics-STRIX-GTX1080-A8G-GAMING/dp/B01K5F8MJK/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1478373341&sr=1-1&keywords=GTX+1080

It is $669.99!


It is really cool that you are doing something like this!

Just a note that the 1080 was released almost two years ago, they're not going to wait another year, especially with competition from AMD and miners slowing down their purchasing. I'd give it until July or so before buying a 1000 series card. You'll kick yourself if you buy a 1080 and the 2080 comes out at the same price point (or less!) with 20-30% more performance.

>and letting my Vive dust away

A 960 can pretty much play 90% of VR games. No, you won't get oversampling and other perks, but if you think that'll make VR games somehow more compelling for you, well, you might be in for an expensive surprise.

If you're itching for a transitional card to a 2080 due to the 960 being slow, the 1060 pricing is still good:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U

1060 avg g3d: 8920

960 avg g3d: 5805

Pretty big 65% upgrade here.

970 avg g3d: 8585

But its only about 5% faster than a 970. A used 970 would also make a nice transitional card assuming prices aren't insane in your local market.

That's actually a good RX570 and 8gb for that price i think it's a great deal comparing with the others i saw with a "RX 570" search, the one i don't really recommend is the Armor because of the cooler.

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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=rx570&i=electronics&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

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Depends on what you want to spend cause you can buy a 4gb one for 120-130, i think going with 8gb is a good option but depends on what you want to spend like for a bit more you can grab a RX580 8gb.

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=rx580&qid=1563706556&s=gateway&sr=8-2

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What resolution you play and how many monitors do you have?

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I have the Gigabyte Aorus RX580 8gb i play at 1080p and use two monitors a IPS@75hz and a TN@144.

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PS: There are some rumors of new cards coming out for that price range probably the new Navi 5600 note sure if true or when they will come out.

Great! The meta these days that for 1080p @ 60Hz, your best bet with a GPU choice is a 1060 6gb or an RX 580 8GB. They should allow you to run most of today's current games at max or close to max settings, and your budget fits these cards perfectly (as does your current system and PSU, so take your pick)

1060 6GB choices: 1, 2

RX 580 - 1, 2

My 2 cents. The 570 is also a great card, and will save you about $50, and will deliver medium to high settings with no issue. Your call here.

You don't have to pay import costs when buying from countries that are part of the EU. I don't know if amazon.co.uk still does free shipping to the Netherlands, but amazon.de definitely does. This could be a nice build from Amazon. Windows 8.1. is cheaper on azerty, so just buy it there.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor | £135.59 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-B85M-HD3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £48.51 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | £62.32 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £79.00 @ Amazon UK
Case | Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case | £36.82 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £51.10 @ Amazon UK
Optical Drive | Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer | £13.15 @ Amazon UK
Other| Sapphire AMD R9 280 Dual-X| £135.00
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £561.49
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-20 15:23 GMT+0000 |

Link for the R9 280: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-AMD-Graphics-Card-DDR5/dp/B00IRTXPBM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419088898&sr=8-1&keywords=R9+280

Just bought a 4K TV, GTX 970 can't handle all games in 4K. Decided to return it for refund (is the deal still on the table?) and upgrade to a GTX 1080.

Anyway, when is the perfect time to return so that I can have money by Cyber Monday or Black Friday? Also, do I have to adjust my PC to a certain setting to use the integrated Intel graphic card?

Also, what is the difference between the gajillion types of GTX 1080s? eg this¹, this², and this³.

Finally, is Zotac good? Or is it better to spend a bit more for the more popular brands? Good?. What about this?

1. When's the best time to return so that I'd have the money by Cyber Monday?
   
2. How can I switch to Intel graphics so that I can use the PC without any graphic card?
   
3. What's the difference between the aforementioned types of GPUs?
   

4. Can you recommend Zotac?
   

   
   

   Edit: Here's my build. Is there any particular GPU you can recommend based on it? Any notes on the upgrade?
   

   
   

   PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
   

   
   

   Type|Item|Price
   

   ----|:----|:----
   CPU | Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor | $235.89 @ OutletPC
   Motherboard | Asus Z97M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard |-
   Memory | Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $32.98 @ Newegg
   Storage | Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $103.14 @ Amazon
   Storage | Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $67.99 @ SuperBiiz
   Video Card | EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card | $409.93 @ Amazon
   Power Supply | EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $43.33 @ OutletPC
   Optical Drive | Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer | $18.88 @ OutletPC
   Operating System | Microsoft Windows 8.1 32/64-bit | $104.88 @ OutletPC
   Wireless Network Adapter | Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter | $29.89 @ OutletPC
   | Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
   | Total | $1046.91
   | Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-07 13:17 EDT-0400 |

That mobo seems great for the price, but there is one concern. According to this post, H110 mobos skimp out sound. I'm currently sporting a pair of Sennheiser M2s. Not amazing hi-fi, but I do enjoy quality in my listening experience. Would the H110 be just fine?

I'll probably stick with 1060, but your mention of single v dual fan cards really got to me. This single fan EVGA is $4 more than this dual fan Gigabyte. I'm assuming you'd choose the Gigabyte based on better cooling?

By the way, thanks for responding!

Links says HP was unable to find the page you wanted. That said, the GT620 you have is a PCI Express 2.0 card and that's what your motherboard supports, while the newer cards are PCI Express 3.0. They'll often work in a lower speed slot, but you may sacrifice a certain amount of performance at the highest end. Frankly, I doubt you'd ever hit that since you'd be CPU bound before that in any modern game.

I'd certainly upgrade the PSU to a 500 watt (I like SeaSonics myself), since that's the minimum for those cards. The new PSU should come with an appropriate power connection for the video card, too.

Personally, I'd stick with an NVidia card since that's what you have now. That way you know there aren't likely to be driver conflicts, a not terribly uncommon issue with HP systems. Here are a couple starting options for you: Power supply and video card

You can find the same PSU on NewEgg for a few bucks cheaper, but the one I linked comes direct form the manufacturer, so it's going to have all the connectors, etc. Looks like the special on the video card is the same on NewEgg as well, but I'd tend to buy form one source if possible. That's just me.

Good luck!

first of you will need a new gpu I would recommend the 1050ti heres a link

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-DisplayPort-128-bit-ZT-P10510A-10L/dp/B01MCU1ERO/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1483387038&sr=1-1&keywords=1050+ti

the 1050ti I linked will fit in pretty much any system and will get you 60fps on most games at 1080p

secondly you'll need an extra stick of ram for 8gb
(wont link this since you need to figure out what ram you are currently using and other the same type)


Your proccessor should be fine however if you want to upgrade your best bet is picking up a used 3570k from ebay since it uses the same socket as your i3 and also a pretty good value nowadays

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=i5+3570k&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xi5+3570.TRS0&_nkw=i5+3570&_sacat=0

Lastly I would buy a ssd which should make programs open faster and your pc experience in general will feel smoother

https://www.amazon.com/250GB-Internal-Solid-State-Drive/dp/B01LXDQX35/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1483387611&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=ssd&psc=1

Thanks for your response, I was looking at plurging a bit more and grabbing a 1070 but the 1060 looks to be quite adequate for my needs. Is this one you'd recommend: Link

I'll research the RX 480, my main concern is for password hash bruteforcing performance, but if I remember correctly, I read the 480 was very comparable in performance, I just haven't had an ATI card since my 9800 Pro back in the early 2000's, which was awesome at the time. I just know a lot of the tools I use are better coded to make use of CUDA and therefore better performance.

I'll look around for prices on GTX 1060s, 580s and a possible 590. The benchmarks and such for the lower bracket GPUs here look fine to me, if I see a good deal on a 590 I'll get one of those. I don't really like to buy used PC parts, especially something as important as a GPU (unless it's super marked down lol)


Thank you very much, have a nice day!

Quick edit: For the RX 580, I should opt for the 8GB and not the 4 GB model correct? And is there any real difference between the MSI and EVGA stuff? When I search Amazon to buy a 1060, both brands for the same card come up. I'm looking at this one about $80 cheaper than a 1060 atm. Just hope they fit in my MicroATX case lol

I just re-read your post. Apologies I did misinterpret what you meant. So it seems you want to get the best out of LoL with a good graphics card. That shouldn't be a problem considering that, as mentioned above, it is hardly intensive and difficult to run.

Seeing as the H97 doesn't support DDR4 RAM, then out of $230, you'll be getting DDR3 RAM which are pretty cheap nowadays.

I compiled a list of the parts that you have now and added RAM + Storage. Take a look yourself:

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VFGk6X

Note that the 8GB of DDR3-2400 RAM as opposed to your 8GB of 1600MHz RAM on top of the 1TB Seagate HDD both add up to a bit under $100. So that left you with about $130-135 give or take for your graphics card.

The GPU isn't included in the list because they don't have price listings on the site for GPUs suiting that price.
But I did search on Amazon and found a few for you listed below.

If you're willing to push the budget a bit and throw in a few more bucks you can go with this:
$145 GTX 950

Or you can stay within the budget and stick with less powerful GTX 750 Ti:
[PNY XLR8 GTX 750 Ti](https://www.amazon.com/PNY-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics-VCGGTX750T2XPB/dp/B00IGHD876/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1469560571&sr=1-
11&keywords=gtx+760&refinements=p_36%3A10000-15000)

MSi GTX 750 Ti

And if you're fine with buying used products that deliver more power than both of the graphics cards mentioned above:
GTX 760 Superclocked

I don't know what graphics card you're packing right now. So the ones I picked out may not be comparable to whatever you currently have. Hope this helps you out a bit though!

For £350 I have to recommend:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
Motherboard | MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £30.97 @ Scan.co.uk
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £35.94 @ Aria PC
Case | Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £19.94 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply | EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £35.40 @ Amazon UK
Other| Sapphire AMD R9 280 Graphics Card (3GB, DDR5) | £129.90 @ Amazon
Other| Crucial 8GB DDR3 1600 MT/s CL11 SODIMM 204 Pin 1.35V/1.5V Memory Module | £51.09 @ Amazon
Other| Intel Pentium Dual Core G3258 | £47.98 @ Dabs
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £351.22
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 17:46 BST+0100 |

The G3258 + H81 is such good value. Out of the box it'll do well but what makes this amazing is when you overclock it. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=182658.0 . Also the 280 will run every game at 1080p on Ultra settings. Fantastic card for the price.

For £450,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor | £133.14 @ Aria PC
Motherboard | Asus H81M-PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £40.57 @ Scan.co.uk
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £35.94 @ Aria PC
Case | Xigmatek Recon ATX Mid Tower Case | £27.94 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £35.93 @ CCL Computers
Other| Sapphire AMD R9 280 Graphics Card (3GB, DDR5) | £129.90 @ Amazon
Other| Crucial 8GB DDR3 1600 MT/s CL11 SODIMM 204 Pin 1.35V/1.5V Memory Module | £51.09 @ Amazon
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £454.51
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-16 12:02 BST+0100 |

The extra £100 has gone into getting an i5. This will perform better in intensive CPU tasks but in gaming there will only be a few fps difference. I can't really recommend it over the £350 build because you already have your laptop for work.

All in all I have to recommend the £350 build and saving some money for an SSD

It means you'll spend more money in the long run, but if you're planning on doing a full new system build in the near-ish future anyway, and if you can get a pair of them for $600, I'd say go for it. Honestly SLI 980Ti's aren't exactly weak either. They'll be about the same performance as a single 1080 so long as the game supports SLI.

Hold on I'm pretty sure 1080s are down to about $600 for an overclocked version. If they're the same price I would DEFINITELY go for a single 1080.

I am currently typing this on my 2009 cMP. I tried to upgrade my GPU to that XFX Radeon 580 XXX one on Amazon I think you're talking about and it was clearly refurbished and had a different graphics card's BIOS flashed to it. It caused me nothing but problems so I instead bought this Sapphire 11265-05-20G Radeon Pulse RX 580 8GB GDDR5 Dual HDMI / DVI-D / Dual DP OC with Backplate (UEFI) PCI-E Graphics Card Graphic Cards now down to $200 and it works perfect. I highly recommend it if you want 4k @ 60Hz in macOS and video games in win10. It works directly OOTB (still no boot screen) and Sapphire brand cards are the brand recommended most by Apple. I also upgraded my CPU to the x5690 which has provided, IMO, even better performance improvements if you were thinking about that as well.

Hey mate, something like this could work: http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ByfcxY

You can obviously switch out the i5 for an i7 6700k if you wanted something more heavy duty.

That Noctua cooler runs super quiet. However, if you're planning to overclock it might be worthwhile going to an AIO watercooler for the CPU.

The memory is nice and low profile and will work with that Noctua cooler.

As for 1070s, you'll probably want something with a blower or a hybrid. The EVGA 1070 FE is currently cheap over on PLE.

If you're looking at hybrids, the two current options for 1070s are the EVGA hybrid and the MSI hybrid. I've got 0 experience with either of these cards, or with AIO graphics card watercooling in general so I won't comment beyond that.

And a bonus Aussie tip: EVGA 1070s are currently pretty cheap on Amazon (573 AUD shipped for the 1070 SC) and you can still register the card in Australia to get your full manufacturer's warranty from EVGA. I've not personally done this myself before, and whether or not losing out on Australian consumer law against the retailer is worth it is a choice you'll have to make.

However, the Founder's Edition isn't very cheap on Amazon (about the same as PLE currently) so it'll come down to whether or not you're happy with higher temps overall since I don't think that open air cooler will perform as well as a founder's edition/blower style card would in this case.



changed link of memory kit.

I really like my Asus Strix OC but I've heard good things about the Gigabyte and Gigabyte xtreme gaming

Performance won't be that much different, just go with what has good reviews, good cooling and a good warranty. Also considering your preference in looks and price.

Edit: Getting and SSD is definitely worth it for boot times alone. You can get a 120gb which is more than enough for your OS for cheap. There was a 32gb on Newegg for $20 last week, which I believe is big enough for windows but I'm not 100% sure.

Last week I was advised to take the plunge and upgrade from my GTX 660 to a 1070. Well, I am ordering today and was wondering if it matters which version I get with the below three or if I should just grab the most inexpensive.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition, 8GB GDDR5, LED, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) 08G-P4-5173-KR (SC BLACK) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KVZBNY0

ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 O8GB Dual-fan OC Edition 4K/VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1070-O8G) - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JHQSZ40

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING, 8GB GDDR5, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 08G-P4-5170-KR (BLOWER Version) - https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-08G-P4-6170-KR/dp/B01LZ5J28B


Or a different version I am missing while researching. :P I currently play on a 21:9 ultrawide with a second 24in 1080p to view my stream/netflix/etc. Not sure if that matters. Have not really done a new build in 5-6 years. :)


Last question, semi-related. With one of these cards am I able to run the HDMI to the 4k TV I have on the wall and play my Steam games okay on it? Will the 4k scale down to 1080 or will me card try to run the games in 4k and overheat. Completely new to 4k also (and wouldn't be using it all the time, just wondering if that is an option since I already have a PS4 in same room with the 4k TV).


As always, thanks in advance! :)

Thank you for doing this. /u/chopdok recommended I keep the CPU and just upgrade the rest.

quoting this:

>?1) Get her a new GPU. GTX 1060 or RX 480, depending on whether you prefer AMD or nVidia.

>2) Get her an SSD. 240GB would be good.

>3) Might as well grab 8GB of DDR3 RAM while at it.

>4) Grab a CPU cooler while at it. Nothing fancy, Cooler Master TX3 would do just fine, I doubt she or you are into overclocking.

>4) Open up the rig, and before putting in the upgrades - clean everything(that is not being replaced) thoroughly.

>5) Do a clean install of Windows 10 OS on that new SSD.

>6) Run an anti-virus scan after everything is done.

Would you recommend this?

I found these parts for what he recommended

GPUS:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GeForce-GTX-1060/dp/B01IEKYD5U/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473727662&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+1060

Or (I dont know what the difference in these 2 would be?)

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-06G-P4-6161-KR/dp/B01IPVSGEC/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473727662&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+1060

SSD:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-SSDNow-SUV400S37-240G/dp/B01FJ4UL2S/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473727776&sr=1-2&keywords=SSD+240

Ram:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-FURY-2x4GB-1600MHz/dp/B00J8E93G6/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473727856&sr=1-5&keywords=8GB+of+DDR3

Cooling fan:

https://www.amazon.com/Hyper-TX3-Cooler-Direct-Contact/dp/B005HIRDUA/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473727966&sr=1-11&keywords=CPU+cooler

Is this ok to do as it would cost less? Would this still provide good performance and a big upgrade on the current rig? Or would you recommend just upgrading fully?

Yes it will fit! But why not go for the 2gb version and save some cash like this? Or you could spend an extra 30 bucks and get a gtx 770 for higher performance boost!

Edit: Unless you have a 1440p monitor or higher, or you're gaming on multiple monitors, get the 4 gb version, otherwise just save the cash and get the 2 gb version. Hope I helped! Also this thread talks about the gtx 760 4gb version!

I'm looking to buy a graphics card for my first PC build (which will happen in the next few months) because I got a relatively substantial amazon gift card. Literally the only game I play is Rocket League, and it's the only game I plan on playing. What is my best value option?

I don't have a 4k monitor (nor do I intend to get one) so I'm really not trying to run everything at max settings/max fps. I just want something that will run the game well enough on high settings.

My current thought is this one but if this one would help me that much more, I think I'd be willing to dish out the cash. Or if there's an entirely different one that would work best for my needs then by all means suggest another!

Here's some modifications that will help optimize this computer. If you have any questions, please ask!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor | £139.38 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | MSI B85I Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard | £58.59 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | £57.47 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £74.98 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Samsung Spinpoint M8 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive | Purchased For £0.00
Video Card | Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB Dual-X Video Card | £136.00
Case | Cooler Master Elite 130 Mini ITX Tower Case | £36.74 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | XFX XTR 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | £65.43 @ Amazon UK
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) | £82.35 @ Amazon UK
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £650.94
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-06 20:43 BST+0100 |

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edit: updated with some better choices

Multiple upgrades. Motherboard. You may not see much a performance increase but it will allow vastly more upgrades. I recommend the b450 gaming plus max (which is atx so make sure it fits). Dont know if you have an ssd or not, but if you thats a cheap upgrade that makes a huge difference. Your cpu is ok as it is, so unless you have a huge budget, id leave it. Your gpu NEEDS an upgrade. For 150gbp or 256cad you can get an Rx 580 (8gb) which is really nice, but on a lower budget you can get a gtx 1050ti (4gb). Dont know much about your ram but i'd upgrade to 16gb ddr4-3000 but make sure its compatible with your mobo + cpu

So no speed posted on the ram. A really small power supply, Free Linux operating system with no Windows Key, case is on sale $64 with a $10 rebate and free shipping: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=n82e16811146189&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleKWLess&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleKWLess-_-DSAFeed-All-Products-_-cases(computercases-atxform)-_-NA&ignorebbr&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvJCGgLDz1QIVRDaBCh1IxQzuEAAYASAAEgKpjfD_BwE

A 750GB hard drive which you can pick up 1 TB for $50 new free shipping: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=1tb%20hard%20drive&Submit=ENE

The Video card is at least one third the price you are requesting: around $300 Shipped: https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Dual-fan-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-GTX1060-O6G/dp/B01JHQT1SE

If you shipped the system free it would totally be very decent price, all in all for the 5 1600 which is about the best bang for the money out there. Good luck.

Yikes my dude. You did exactly what I told you not to do. Go back and reread my post. It says everything I would respond to this with.

But you say you pissed people off? I don't know that others are pissed, or at least I am not, I would say it's more of just like, "smh this guy doesn't want to listen to the truth." It's your gpu. Trust me. Or don't trust me, trust someone else in this thread. Not that guy who says to get VanillaFix tho, that doesn't fix the main problem.

I will say it one final time:
It. Is. Your. Lack. Of. Dedicated. GPU.

You do realize that vanilla minecraft uses openGL too, like it's not just mods that use it.

If you want anecdotal evidence then I will give you some. In a new world, max settings(with render distance 16), on minecraft version 1.12, pure vanilla, I get around 150-200fps depending on how fast I fly through the world loading chunks, but if I stand still I get from 200-500fps. Those are the numbers that you should be looking for from vanilla if you want to get runnable ftb packs with large amounts of mods

Now on enigmatica 2, I have to download that, because I still haven't gotten around to doing that for playing it in the first place lol

but before even getting the results from that I can again tell you that it is your gpu. I have a worse and older cpu, but I have an actual dedicated gpu

If you're responding, use something about java code, java optimization, java garbage collection, opengl rendering systems, or another graphics library that you think minecraft uses in your response. If you include none of that I am assuming that either you didn't read all my post just now, or that you don't know enough about those topics to comment. If the later is the case, then you should trust the opinion of those who do know enough about those topics to comment. I happen to know enough about those topics to comment, so trust what I am saying, it's your gpu. Get one.

I've got three suggestions for you:
1080ti: https://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-GEFORCE-GTX-1080-Ti/dp/B06XH5ZCLP
1060 6gb: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U
and the 1050ti 4gb dual fan: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-02G-P4-6150-KR/dp/B01M5BQRIO?th=1

three difference price ranges. 230, 330, and 1200

If you want my real opinion, get this one: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-256-bit-Graphics-Backplate/dp/B07GG9L5X1

it's comparable to the 1080ti. Or if you want something a little cheaper but better than the 1060 get a 1070

Should be fine, but if you're concerned or want better aesthetics, something like this will be cleaner than using an ad-hoc solution like a figurine or the like:
https://www.amazon.com/Graphics-Support-Holder-custom-Gaming/dp/B01DQK7DDW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474731756&sr=8-2

I want to get a 1060 6gb, which of these 3 do you think I should get? I don't really care what it looks like, an am a complete nab when it comes to the differences. Running one 1080 monitor. I want to spend around 260. I currently have x2 EVGA 570s, so it'll be a huge upgrade. Thanks in advance reddit. Feel free to suggest something else, too.

1. EVGA SC single fan - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSLTC/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza?th=1
   
2. Gigabyte G1 dual fan
   https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IEA1IMQ/ref=psdc_284822_t2_B01IPVSLTC?th=1
   
3. ASUS OC dual fan
   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01JHQT1SE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Here is a suggestion of a good build. You could get a 280x if you want, but the 280 will be good enough for now.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor | £109.99 @ Ebuyer
Motherboard | MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard | £45.95 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | £62.97 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £35.94 @ Aria PC
Video Card | MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card | £149.99 @ Amazon UK
Case | Fractal Design Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case | £36.95 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £46.09 @ Aria PC
Optical Drive | Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer | £10.46 @ Aria PC
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) | £72.35 @ Aria PC
Monitor | BenQ RL2455HM 60Hz 24.0" Monitor | £131.09 @ Scan.co.uk
Wireless Network Adapter | TP-Link TL-WN727N 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter | £7.38 @ Misco UK
Keyboard | Corsair Raptor K30 Wired Gaming Keyboard | £37.79 @ Aria PC
Mouse | Logitech G402 Wired Optical Mouse | £35.65 @ Amazon UK
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £782.60
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-29 20:02 GMT+0000 |

Edit: By the way I found a Gigabyte 280 for £139.99 on Amazon if you want to save a tenner.

I've got this as my middle monitor, and this 1070. Monitor's pretty bright until you mess with the settings, but it's a pretty decent panel, especially for under $200. There's definitely cheaper 1070s out there. Between the two, I'm well over 100fps on the grand majority of games I'm playing on ultra.

Total custom PC building noob here. Had a friend help me out each time I wanted to upgrade, but thinking about doing it myself this time. I want to upgrade my graphics card and was wondering if someone could let me know if the one i'm planning on buying is compatible with my current motherboard.

Planning on buying a EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti SC.

My current motherboard is a Z87M MSI Gaming Motherboard.

Would these two work together? Any help would be super appreciated!!

Yes your processor is still very good to this day,

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD?ref_=ast_sto_dp

or

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-Gv-N1650WF2OC-4GD/dp/B07QF6NH2S/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=gtx+1050ti&qid=1568521867&s=electronics&sr=1-9

these two i'd say are pretty good for the money and if that's still too much or if you have more to spend let me know and i'll try to help you some more (:

I have a basic question:
My graphics card is pretty outdated (ASUS Radeon R7 200 Series), and I was wanting to upgrade to a new GPU that would run games like H1Z1, Player Unknown Battlegrounds, LoL, WoW, etc. Would this graphics card be okay for that? If there is a better quality one for the price, let me know. Thanks ahead of time! https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01MF7EQJZ/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1491492287&sr=1-3&keywords=graphics+card

Two choices for fan types, blower style like this:


https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Founders-Graphics-08G-P4-6180-KR/dp/B01FWI6F08



and double/triple fan designs like this:


https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-08G-P4-5173-KR/dp/B01KVZBNY0/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=RGJTQJW5GJ7CARMZ911Q



Blower style is "reference" / factory, they run hotter and louder compared to their open air / "aftermarket" (the double fan) design. The aftermarkets are made by Add In Board partners like EVGA, MSI, etc.



OC is just the clock speed that the card is promised to hit. It's the same for CPUs, no one knows how far a component can go. There's also thermals to consider, but generally, all components can OC a little.



Other considerations would be fan bearings / warranty / return process / customer support / build quality. EVGA and Sapphire are the best.


And cost :D

Not necessarily. I've had some big cards before, but there are good compact single fan cards. Consider your needs, look at the card's measurements, check PCPartPicker compatibility, or ask around. I got a Corsair Carbide 400R a few years ago, thinking I might try SLI. I never did and no longer plan to, and while it's a great case, I now wish I picked something a bit smaller. YMMV, though!

Sorry for the late reply but you can get a RX 580 for $10 more than the RX 570 you linked get that instead it's from Sapphire they make the best AMD cards it's on Newegg instead of Amazon so I will also link a card from Amazon but I would go with the card from Newegg they are both 8gb so they will be way better that the 1050 ti hope this helps.

Sapphire RX 580 8gb-Newegg

XFX RX580 8gb-Amazon

I can definitely confirm this as I recently upgraded from a 635 to a 1050 TI and the difference is amazing. I was lucky enough to have some bday money saved up so it only costed me a little bit.

This was the card I got but I'm sure you can find better deals out there. I had to use Amazon because of the gift cards I had.

Bonus benchmark results

Just finished assembling my first build with the help of a friend and my MB is giving me some beep codes that don't seem to correspond to any that are listed on the website (for some reason, the manual doesn't have them listed).

Whenever I turn the computer on, it will proceed to emitt 5 LONG beeps then shut off and boot up again just to beep 5 more times. I am 99% sure it is long beeps because they last just over a second or so each. There is just no way those are short beeps. I have already tried booting without ram and with only 1 of the 2 sticks of ram each. I made sure they were seated properly also. I am just completely out of ideas and the internet seems to have no help.

Here are some of my specs:
MB: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128843

CPU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MZZJ1P0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013H7Q86C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Video Card: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IPVSGEC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

PSU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K85X2AW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I would go with a cheaper CPU. I don't know if you want to go as low as an i3, but I have a 3.4 GHz i3-4130 and it is decent. If I were you, I'd go with a cheaper CPU (this one is a dual-core i3), get a better GPU (GTX 760) and an SSD. I would also recommend GIGABYTE motherboards, specifically this one. You might also want to look into getting a higher wattage PSU, especially if you think you'll want to upgrade your GPU down the line.

Finally, if you have some cash in your budget left over, I'd definitely up that RAM to 12 or 16 GB. It's not imperative, especially with an SSD, but you'll find that you can have a lot more stuff open in the background, not that you would need to.

Whatever you decide to buy, make sure you are very careful installing your processor. If any of the pins on the motherboard get bent, you'll need a whole new motherboard.

TL;DR: Spend less on CPU, more on GPU, try a GIGABYTE motherboard, and get an SSD. Higher wattage PSU and more RAM if you can afford. Be careful with your motherboard.

I found similar item(s) posted recently:

Item | Price | When | Vendor

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EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 the one with the blower -|$589.99|5 days ago|amazon
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5X, RGB LED -|$680|3 days ago|amazon
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING -|$679.99|2 days ago|com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-08G-P4-6286-KR/dp/B01GAI64GO/
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING, 08G-P4-6288-KR, 8GB GDDR5X, HYBRID & RGB LED -|$669.99|today|evga
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW GAMING-|$629|today|evga

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Definitely been there.

Alternatively, you can go for a refurb 3770 with an RX 580.
The CPU has 90 day warranty fulfilled by Amazon, and is actually a great deal. Double check the 3770 is compatible with your mobo though.

Other than that, eBay is your friend if you trust strangers.

He said he used the PcGamer High end build guide with some changes. He swapped the 1080 to a 1070, the SSD's to a 1TB SSD, he changed the case to a MasterCase Maker 5 Mid-Tower and ordered everything form Amazon

So overall I'm guessing this is his build;

• CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K - $350
  
• GPU: GeForce GTX 1070 - $450
  
• Motherboard: Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero - $215
  
• Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 - $145
  
• SSD: 1TB Samsung 850 Evo 2.5-inch SATA - $317
  
• CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 240mm AIO - $97
  
• Optical: LG UH12NS30 - $52
  
• PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2 80 Plus GOLD - $141
  
• Case: MasterCase Maker 5 Mid-Tower Case - $178
  
  Coming to a grand total of 1945$ add shipping to that and you're looking at pretty close to 2 grand.
  
  This build is fucking retarded though.
  
  First of all, you can actually buy a a goddamn prebuilt with almost the same specs for about 400$ cheaper. That HP is just the first one I found, there are dozens of other prebuilts ranging from about 400-100$ cheaper with no real performance loss.
  
  Yeah it's a prebuilt and has bloatware and all that shit, but in terms of performance it's actually pretty much equal to the authors build.
  
  Second, you could just go for a more reasonable part list.
  
  Swap the 6700k to an i5 6500 with the stock cooler and you'll cut 250$ from the price.
  
  Even an i5-6600k with a hyper 212 evo would cost you about 260$, saving almost 200$
  
  Swap the ridiculous motherboard to something decent for about 100-150$ and you're saving another 100$ right there.
  
  32 gigs of RAM is overkill, you could easily go for 16GB DDR4 2400, and save another 70$
  
  Dump the optical drive, who the hell watches BD movies on a PC anyways? If you really need a DVD drive they're like 20$
  
  Swap the ridiculously high end case to something like Fractal Design R5 and save another 50$. R5 is still an excellent and fairly high end case, you could easily go for a 50-80$ mid-tower and save 100$.
  
  I would also swap the 1TB SSD to a 256gb SSD and a 2TB mechanical drive which would be about 160-200$ saving him another 100$. but I can at least understand that someone wants the simplicity of just having a single drive.
  
  With a few simple changes he could save about 450-650$ without losing any performance whatsoever in gaming, and that's without hunting for cheaper prices from somewhere that's not Amazon.
  
  He said he paid about 100$ extra to buy everything from Amazon, so with an updated parts list and using PCpartpicker the price drops down to 1171$ so about 770$ cheaper than the authors build and with no real performance loss.

The various names:

Founders Edition is nvidia's name for the reference edition of the current generation. It's carried by a lot of manufacturers, features a blower-style cooler, and no aftermarket overclocking. It's generally not recommended.

All others are brand-specific aftermarket cards, with custom cooler and frequently factory overclocking applied. Some of them may also have a custom circuit board layout. They'll all be in the same "region" of power, as the overclock won't be that massive, but they may run cooler, or allow more power draw for overclocking. You'll need to read the individual reviews - if you care. The differences are relatively small, the base chip is still definitly the deciding factor.

Upgrades:

RAM shouldn't be necessary for now. 8GB is still fine for gaming - 16GB can sometimes help, but it's not necessary, and I wouldn't invest in more DDR3 at this point.

A new power supply depends mostly on what you have right now. If it's some el cheapo model that you've used for years, I'd replace it - they don't get better over time. If it's something solid, it's fine to keep it, the wattage is definitly sufficient.

As for the GPU, if you're going for 144Hz in newer games than skyrim/cs:go as well, the GTX 1070 is worth a look, starting at $340 - though I'd spend a bit more on the sc black in that case. If you're not going for anything heavier, the RX 580 will be plenty.

If you're going for high framerate, also take another look at your cooler. You may be able to squeeze a bit more out of the CPU via overclocking, and at high framerates, the CPU is often the limiting factor.

I second the Dell Optiplex.

Here's one for $150. It includes an i5 3550, 8GB of ram, a 500GB HDD, an optical drive, and Windows 10 Pro. A very good deal that will overcome the overpriced ram problem.

Here's a $90 1080p, 60Hz, IPS monitor.

Here's a $225 GTX 1050 Ti (MSRP: $140). All graphics cards above a GT 1030 are overpriced right now.

Here's a $95 Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD. You can clone the operating system on the HDD to it.

Here's a $27 blue switch mechanical keyboard. (or if you want a more silent keyboard get this $40 brown switch keyboard).


You may want to replace the power supply. Here's a good one for $50.

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    Total: $637
    
    I'm sorry, but you will have to forgo having a blue case with LEDs and a side-window if you wish to have a decent PC at or below your $700 budget. Good luck building!

I was actually going to link you in my previous comment but since we have different cases im not too sure if the bracket support im using will be compatible with your case because of the small clearance it has between the GPU and the power supply housing. This is the one i use https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079HSVSLR/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B079HSVSLR&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=f52e26da-1287-4616-824b-efc564ff75a4&pf_rd_r=NBMZ5NCAG055C0TXE1CA&pd_rd_wg=wSvEM&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_w=7mVSg&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pd_rd_r=18c244cc-d637-11e8-a8d6-f512c823c951 Maybe you could use it.

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No worries though i found you this one that might be better for your build. https://www.amazon.com/Graphics-Support-Holder-Gaming-Bitcoin/dp/B01DQK7DDW I do highly recommend it. Your GPU is the most expensive part of your computer and you dont want its connectors to snap off from the back of the case or the motherboard.

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Hope that helps. Feel free to ask anything else.

I have a computer hardware question. This might not be the IDEAL sub to ask, but I know there are many PC enthusiasts here.

I have a 6 year old gaming computer. It was pretty much top-of-the-line when I built it. I believe my GPU is my current bottle neck, and am considering replacing it. I'm wondering what the community would recommend for the upcoming 3.0 release, but something that wouldn't be completely overpowered for the rest of my components. I've been holding off on building a new PC until S42/SC are closer to release (which could still be years?)

Current Build:

• AMD Phenom II X6 1100T, 6-Core 3.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo
  
• 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
  
• Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
  
• Intel 510 Series Solid-State Drive 120 GB SATA 6 Gb/s
  
  My current GPU's Core Clock runs at 880 MHz with 1536 Stream Processors
  Memory: 2GB GDDR5 @ 1375MHz (5.5Gbps)
  
  I'd like more video RAM for sure, but i don't want to spend too much now and take away from my budget for my next PC. I'm considering a EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti.
  
  Is this going to be a waste if my CPU can't keep up?
  Is this not strong enough? Would it still be my bottleneck?
  Is their an issue running an AMD system with an Nvidia Card? Should I stick to an AMD card?
  What would you recommend for 3.0 (among other games), that would more-or-less match my system and be over/under powered?
  

The Nvidia Geforce GTX 900 series are the best choices right now. Galax GTX 970 and Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 are the best choises, or if you like the looks of the reference card you can get it from Best Buy if you live in USA, or from here.

About the CPU and the cores, maybe the other 2 cores are disabled in the BIOs, though i have no idea whether that's actually possible. You can try and download CPU-Z and see what it says, it's better than Speccy, but only for CPU and ram, not so much for everything else. It's quite weird it shows as only having 2 cores though.. But nice to see the temperature!

About the PSU, on the side of it it should say the name/wattage of the psu, something like Corsair 450W or XFX 500W or something like that. The wattage should be on a sticker as a minimum on the PSU. For the cords, you will need to find out what your GPU needs. For example this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclock-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-3753-KR/dp/B00IDG3IDO/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1414526655&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+750

does not require any external power, it gets all the power it needs from the PCIe port, while this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2765-KR/dp/B00DHW4HXY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1414526795&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+760

requires both a 6 pin and a 8 pin connecter.

http://tech-reviews.co.uk/images/reviews/silencer/large/silencer11.jpg

The connector on the left is a standard 6 pin connector. The one on the right is a 6+2 pin connector, so it works as a 6 pin, but also as a 8 pin. The 6+2 is standard on most newer PSU's, but i have no idea about the older ones. You can however get a Molex to GPU power connector, which looks like this:

http://www.systemagnostic.com/wp-uploads/2013/01/molex_pci-e.jpg

Though i have not had much luck with the adapters, a lot of people use them.

Also, about having enough wattage, as long as you are only running 1 graphics card, 400W is enough for most current midend GPU's while you want 500W for a high end GPU. If you are not sure, then you can find the GPU on the manufactures webpage and see what they recommend. Often having 100W less than what they recommend isn't a problem, but depends on the rest of your system too.

It's not really hard if you are handy. I followed a you tube build based on the case I used, a cooler master elite 130. People on r/buildapc are very helpful. Another great choice is buying a decent computer and upgrading. There is an i5 acer act 780 refurbished for 370 on newegg.com or brand new for 400 on amazon.com that can take a smaller gtx 1050 ti.
Video on how to do so. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yXkL5GZgTnU
The evga gtx 1050ti is on sale for 140 on amazon right now as well. https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-04G-P4-6253-KR/dp/B01MF7EQJZ/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1492185554&sr=1-1&keywords=1050+ti
This is the PC and it's quite a good deal IMO.
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Desktop-i5-6400-Windows-ATC-780-AMZi5/dp/B01K1INXJK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1481359319&sr=1-5&linkCode=sl1&tag=tecdea0f-20&linkId=5626d92dcf87c228314bc9376299f738

Just make sure to unplug the PC and touch the power supply to ground yourself to the PC before touching any internals.

What kind of games are you planning to play? A 1060 will be an improvement over the 750 no matter what, but for CPU intensive games like GTA/Witcher you are going to be pretty severely bottlenecked by that CPU.

Anyway, if you decide to buy one I'd definitely recommend the SC model instead - same price, same dimensions but much better cooling. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KU2CIIY/ref=psdc_284822_t2_B01MF7EQJZ?th=1

I'll leave the PSU recommendations for the US folks.

> Can I get any decent upgrade for such a small budget?

Yes, you can get the RX 580 8GB card, which is an optimal choice for 1080p gaming. Averaging at least 60 FPS on high to ultra settings in practically any game out there today, should not be an issue for it. Refer to the link below. You can also search eBay for used GPU's as well, many of which can be found for a good price.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y66K3XD/?tag=pcpapi-20

Also, I would try to find a CPU upgrade for your board. Maybe a Xeon CPU would be an option assuming it relatively cheap and compatible with your board. You will also want to overclock as well to get the best performance possible out of it. Refer to the link below for 1366 Xeon's that might be an option for you.

https://ark.intel.com/search?q=x56

Also, I'm using amazon to purchase all these items mostly because It's easier for me to use and I have free shipping with Prime. I'm open to any suggestions on what to get or what not to get.

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-FD8320FRHKBOX-FX-8320-8-Core-Black/dp/B009O7YU56/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1411659433&sr=1-1&keywords=cpu CPU $140


http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-20PK-R2/dp/B005O65JXI/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_y Fan $29


http://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_z HDD $58


http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Builder-Bronze-Certified-Supply/dp/B008RJZQSW/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1411659247&sr=1-2&keywords=700w+psu PSU $70


http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperClocked-Dual-Link-Graphics-02G-P4-2765-KR/dp/B00DHW4HXY/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1411659125&sr=1-1&keywords=graphics+card Graphics Card $230


http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-PC3-12800-240-Pin-BLS2CP4G3D1609DS1S00/dp/B006WAGGUK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1411658083&sr=8-3&keywords=ram+8gb
RAM $75


http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Computer-Motherboard-Motherboards-970A-G46/dp/B0073JYZ48/ref=psdc9_t1_B009FC3YJ8_B0073JYZ48 Motherboard $75


http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-431-Plus/dp/B005ZCTJ9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411578162&sr=8-1&keywords=coolermaster+mid+tower+4+usb Tower Case $59

Total:$736
EDIT: Also, if you feel there's a slightly more expensive product that's better quality than one that I have listed, that would also be appreciated.

Guessing that you are in Europe so here's a RX580 8gb around 330.

The RX580 is a fantastic card and in combination with Freesync it will provide you with a wonderful 1080p experience. Being a RX580 user myself, I suggest undervolting and overclocking the card. It's really easy in Radeon Software and the free performance is totally worth it!

Galax is safe but you can get an RGB EVGA FTW Gaming 1080 for only 20 more dollars on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GAI64GO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Swm-ybZVVRHSR

Rest of the build looks great.

Glad that you came to ask again, there are actually some good deals going on right now. If you are only buying from Amazon I would actually go for this one, if you are also buying from Newegg I would recommend this one over the Amazon one. The Newegg one also includes 2 free games, though I don't know if they are games your son would be interested in.

Cool, that's the best one to have.

You can put a standard ATX size power supply in there if you needed. Something like an EVGA 500B would be good and won't cost too much.

CDN$ 190.70 -GTX 1050 Ti

CDN$ 64.99 - EVGA 500B

The GTX 1050 Ti only needs a 300W PSU. It may already have that. I've seen people run it even off of something like a 240-260W PSU and be ok. May not need to upgrade the PSU.

You did a good job. That will work. If you can afford it, add a low capacity SSD to install your OS on, and put everything else on that 1TB HDD. If there's anything I could change, I find MSI to be among the most reputable for most hardware, especially GPU. MSI 1060. That being said, the PNY has solid reviews. The thing to worry about here is longevity. I don't have bad experiences with PNY products, but own few.

I am also wary of ASRock products, particularly mobos. They have been hit and miss from what I have seen, but honestly there is nothing notable I can reference it's not a particularly bad choice. This will be a great build for what you need. Good work.

That card won't be able to handle much. Valve Source games like CS and HL should run okay. WoW will run. Nothing demanding will run well on that.

My recommendation would be to upgrade that GPU with something newer. And since your HP desktop may or may not have extra PCI-E PSU cables, you're going to be limited to only the cards that draw their power from the PCI-E lane.

Best card I can recommend based on that would be the GTX 1050ti

Will definitely run more demanding games.

I'm looking to get a gpu that is vr compatible, upgrading from a gtx 960.

So i just bought a vive and i'm freaking loving vr. Only issue is my gpu is underpowered. I new this beforehand but i thought i could scrape buy until the new nvidia cards get revealed later this year, but after getting a taste I REALLY want the full experience.

I have 1 day to make my decision if i'm buying a new card or not. Does it make much sense to buy something like this https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-06G-P4-6163-KR/dp/B01IPVSLTC right now?

I realize in like 3-4 months it may drop buy like 50% but how well does this car stack up? can i be playing most new games at around medium settings? The gpu is by far my bottleneck btw

You're welcome.:-). Oh and also, you can get an i5 7500 instead of an i5 7600k. They are around 40 dollars cheaper and only have 9% less power. they perform about the same while gaming. Also, this is a better deal on a GTX 1060. And this is a good deal on 8gb ram. Also, a z270 seems overkill for your build if you don't plan on over clocking. A b150 or a b250 would suit you better.This is a good deal. If you get a 120gb SSD, the 1tb hard drive I mentioned, the nzxt s340, the ram I showed you and the b150 that I showed you, you will probably be able to fit in a GTX 1080 instead of a GTX 1060, which is much better. It can run the games you mentioned at 1440p at 144fps on ultra settings or even 4k at 60 fps. Try this list

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor | $197.68 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler | Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler | $26.88 @ OutletPC
Motherboard | MSI - B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard | $81.98 @ Newegg
Memory | Crucial - 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory | $68.95 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston - A400 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $57.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $46.88 @ OutletPC
Video Card | Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card | $559.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case | NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case | $64.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply | $43.98 @ Newegg
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1189.32
| Mail-in rebates | -$40.00
| Total | $1149.32
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-28 03:56 EDT-0400 |

This is my current set up

My current GPU is an AMD Radeon R9 200 and lately it has been running really hot so I am looking to replace it with something that will last a few years.

This is the one I am currently looking into based on PCPart Picker

Based on my set up, is this the best value I can get for the money? Also, do I need to look into better cooling if I add this to my set up?

Thanks for your help! You guys are always great

I know nothing about the inner workings of a computer. My 14 year old son plays games on his all the time (mostly Steam). For Christmas 2014, I got him this. I am struggling on ideas for what to get him, so I have been googling and found this on a list of "perfect gifts for the pc gamer in your life" or whatever. My question is, Is this a decent upgrade? Would it make that much of a difference for him?

Also, sort of related, but not really. He said he needs a new XBox controller that he uses for his computer games (he broke his). He has an Xbox 360 that is old and he never plays on. Do I have to get him a 360 controller? Most of the ones I have been seeing are for the Xbox One. Also, do I need any kind of adapters?

Thank you so much.


edit: Also, if you can suggest any other parts or things that will improve his experience I would greatly appreciate it. Like I said, I know nothing so this is all very confusing for me. Amazon links would be amazing.

Dude, any chance you could order this card?

It is from Mexican amazon, for some reason the ones in amazon us are more expensive. (first time this ever happened).

I actually bought a ryzen 5 1600 and that card yesterday. The 3gb 1060 should be only about 5% less powerful than the 6gb version in 1080p graphics.

It is more expensive than the 2400g but you would get a much better machine IMHO.


 

Also, like the others said... you do need a cpu to be able to update the firmware to support the 2400g.


You could also try buying an already built pc. PC vendors aren't allowed to mark up their graphics cards so if you buy an already built machine it could be way less expensive than building one yourself.

Edit:

Just tried ordering the 1060 I linked with a US address and it wasn't possible. :(

You could try it out anyway, or maybe use a courier service.

Agree. For budget gaming builds it is better to go with a cheaper processor and better graphics card. A 1060 is going to be a huge difference in comparison to a 1050 Ti which, at least IMO, is shit. GPU prices are high at the moment, and the new Ryzen processors are great deals and are enabling people to get away with spending less on CPUs to compensate.

[EDIT] There are better deals available on a 1060 3GB though. Like here and here and others available on PCPartPicker. There's also a bunch on Jet which usually has a promo code for 15% off for new users which would put the price around $180 $190-200 (max discount is apparently $20).

Also someone downvoted me for providing cheaper options? Seriously?

I've had really great experiences with Amazon Warehouse Used- Like New products, also I believe they have a 1-month no questions asked return/warranty program.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01GAI64GO/ref=sr_1_1_olp?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1498464130&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+1080

I included this one even though it's not EVGA or Asus because it's new and very competitively priced when taking into account the recent rise in GPU prices. IMO taking a few hours to paint over the yellow plastic to save $100-200 is a worthy investment. Hope this helps

https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-ZT-P10800C-10P-IceStorm-Wraparound-Ultra-wide/dp/B01GCAVRSU/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1498464130&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx+1080

Need help deciding on which GTX 1070 to get. I got the Asus 1070 but recently found an EVGA 1070 for the same price. In terms of price/performance which is better? I know EVGA has a good reputation for their customer service but I'm looking more for price/performance wise.

Just saying, if your looking to sli your rig id recommend the 970's. They have better performance and they are often cheaper that the 780's. I have two 970's in my machine and I can play 4k games on great settings with high fps...

This is the best 970 out there now: http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Gaming-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B00NH5T1MS/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1426037007&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+970

I'm trying to decide between these three video cards.

1. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IEKYD5U/ref=psdc_284822_t2_B071V2N2S6
   
   
2. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071V2N2S6/?tag=pcpapi-20&th=1
   
   
3. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7RKhP6/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-windforce-oc-6g-video-card-gv-n1060wf2oc-6gd
   
   These are ones that I'm most likely to buy but would like to get another input as to which would be best to get? Thanks in advance!

Awesome, thanks for the help!

Also, What would you suggest as the best 1080 card to buy (Any brand)? I was looking at this card and this card

The 580 is the successor to the 480 but since AMD cards are especially good at mining their prices are especially inflated right now. A 1080 only offers 10% more FPS than a 1070ti and 13% more than a 1070. There is a rather large jump from the 1060 to the 1070. So frankly I'd consider the 1070 to be the best value of the three.

I'd probably get either this 1070:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01GX5YWAO/?ie=UTF8&condition=all&tag=nisamain-20&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Or this 1080 (it's on sale so decide fast)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125880&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-VigLink-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6163686&SID=jfgvyg4wah011rh100053

The 1070ti prices right now aren't really competitive with that 1080 being on sale.

That sag... I'd recommend buying a brace. I know motherboards are designed with sag in mind, but sag really worries me. I picked up this brace and it looks clean and provides plenty of support. Awesome build though, very clean.

Consider getting a 1060 instead of a 1050 ti. It is better to upgrade your gpu more than your cpu for gaming as the gpu does most of the work.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KU2CIIY/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1502923908&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=1060&dpPl=1&dpID=51iuKmXAjbL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1

I would get this gpu, a ryzen 3 1200 or a r5 1400 if you can afford it (that would be best), 8 GB (2666mhz or faster) of ram and a b350 motherboard for the best gaming performance

I know you said €500 but maybe you can afford this? https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/LTxNCy this will be great upgrade maybe you can sell your old parts to help afford the new ones?

You're better off finding a used prebuilt and putting a nice GPU in it. Take this Dell Optiplex for example. It comes with a nice CPU, HDD, RAM and already has Windows installed. All you need to put in it is a GPU, like the GTX 1050 Ti and maybe an SSD if it fancies you. Then you have a gaming machine that can play just about everything at medium-high for around $300-350.

I just looked up eBay real quick and clicked on the first thing. You can probably find something similar for a lot cheaper with deeper searching. Also check your local classified listings. Most companies/recyclers are usually eager to get rid of them quickly which gives you negotiating power.

How in the world do you all pick a graphics card? I'm going to be purchasing a 1080 I decided, so that part is out of the way. But there are so many different versions from so many vendors. I think I'm pretty set on this one. I've had success with EVGA in the past. There is a similar ASUS STRIX one out there that is also getting good reviews.

So what ultimately leads to your decision making? Is it brand loyalty and some other small features you prefer?

I have a 970 I was supposed to return (Used it a month and then the 10 series came out, amazon authorized the full refund but I never sent it =[ ) that I would probably be willing to part with for a good deal if you're not on the far side of the moon, shipping wise.

It's literally in the original packaging and IIRC should even still have all the original DVI/HDMI/DP plugs that they ship new cards with.

Hi everyone,

I'm a total beginner when it comes to mining and I want to build my own rig and start doing IT. After doing some research and reading, I decided that I want to start mining Monero as it's easier, quite profitable comparing to other coins and has a lot of room left to grow.

First of all, I want to build my own mining rig and these the gear that cought my eye at a first glance into the mining world:

This mining rig frame:

https://www.amazon.es/aluminio-GPU-marco-ventilaci%C3%B3n-Zcash/dp/B0747MPN5L/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524489874&sr=8-1&keywords=mining+case

6x Radeon RX 580:

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-1386Mhz-Graphic-Cards-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1524478740&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=rx+580&psc=1

Motherboard ASRock H110:

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-13GPU-Mining-Motherboard-CryptoCurrency/dp/B073BX57M1/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1524478305&sr=1-2&keywords=Asrock+H81+Pro+BTC

Power supply Corsair CP-9020140-NA HX1200 1200W:

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CP-9020140-NA-HX1200-Platinum-Performance/dp/B01MZ8A8NW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpuz-20&linkId=8257c7a2a842322dd8297808a773b859

Wiring MintCell 6-Pack:

https://www.amazon.com/6-Pack-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B06ZY2R85P/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1496350006&sr=1-1&keywords=pcie+risers&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpuz-20&linkId=8e6e8988b7610fb28cd9d15f36be7493

Intel Celeron G1840 Processor, 4Gb RAM and a 120GB SSD:

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Celeron-G1840-Processor-BX80646G1840/dp/B00J2LIE9C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpuz-20&linkId=3e3682e4aab8e8da233cfc406be8799e

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-120GB-SDSSDA-120G-G26-Newest-Version/dp/B01F9G414U/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpuz-20&linkId=25dff6babfe3080d1a49ee3ed801cb59

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-FURY-1600MHz-DDR3/dp/B00J8E92R6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpuz-20&linkId=e64416a13af6708bd5126fb5d3d7d5b9

With this set up I calculated a $257 profit at a total of 5500 H/s, 700w consumption and $0.11/kwh and a 1% pool fee.

This seems a little less than I thought and read regarding the profit, am I missing something?

Is the potential hash rate bigger than 5500 h/s or the consumption lower? (I put this value based on what I read on other forums from people with the same video card)

Any advice is welcomed, please let me know your thoughts.

Thank you!

Yes to both, but don't go anywhere near that Alienware. If you're set on one of these two, do your self a favor and get the HP.

But it's still not a great system for the price. I found basically the same system for $350 less on Amazon. With the money you save, you can buy a 6gb version of the GTX 1060 (the best buy system has a 3gig model), and still have $100 left in your pocket.

Hi Folks -

I've got an Antec 300 case, i'm trying to see if this video card will fit in (lengthwise):

Gigabyte GV-N1070G1-GAMING-8GD:
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Graphics-GV-N1070G1-GAMING-8GD/dp/B01H0WU884/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484868658&sr=8-1&keywords=Gigabyte+GV-N1070G1-GAMING-8GD

Seems like the antec can fit the card, it just may be a tight fit. Anyone have relevant experience or can recommend a GTX 1070 card that may work?

Thanks!

In-store pickup and shipping available as of 2:39 PM EST.

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Also available on Amazon.com: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 Turbo Cooling, like new, for $548.59

Also available on Amazon.com: ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 ROG STRIX, like new, for $662.85

Also available on Amazon.com: Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 Gaming Box, like new, for $647.49

I was just scrolling through the Best Buy site and saw that the NVIDIA GTX 1080 Founders Edition was available! Hopefully this has helped someone finish their gaming rig!

So after getting the job offer finalized (took almost a month but its due to work being light in the early half of the month), I decided to reward myself with a new graphics card. Didnt want to go big due to not wanting to get THAT cocky with money spending just yet so I ended up getting ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1050 Ti Mini Graphic Card. Im looking forward towars it sinc hopefully I can finally run games like Witcher 3 on med settings. Anyone have this card and if so, how high can it go without needing to overclock? I did my research already so I have enough physical space to fit it, hence the mini size, and the power supply is 100W lower than what I have as a supply so Im certain it will work just fine.

Yes. you are spending about $30-50 more for the GTX 1060 3GB and you are getting a lot more performance. I don't recommend getting the 6GB version as it has been affected a lot by crypto mining (more VRAM = better for crypto mining, therefore, increased the price). You need to pay about $80-100 more for the 6GB version and you are getting a 5-10 FPS difference which is honestly not that great for the value. If you want to upgrade from the 1060 3GB I'd just recommend going for the GTX 1070 but the prices are still very high for the 1060 6GB GPUS and up.

[Click this] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqSV2cE4TT8) to see a video comparing the GTX 1050TI and GTX 1060 3GB

 

[GTX 1050TI 4GB] (https://www.amazon.com/Geforce-1050Ti-Graphics-STRIX-GTX1050TI-O4G-GAMING-Graphic/dp/B01MG9AKKZ?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01MG9AKKZ) is $184.99

[GTX1060 3GB] (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-03G-P4-6162-KR/dp/B01KU2CIIY/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1510798848&sr=1-3&keywords=gtx+1060+3gb&dpID=51iuKmXAjbL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch) is $189.99

 

I think it is clear spending $5 more is better considering you're getting a 10-20 FPS difference in games.

Hey thanks for the quick reply! I mostly use my PC for gaming, and my current GPU is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB. And my current ram is 2 sticks of 8GB of ram (16GB total) from Corsair.

In terms of budget i'm rather flexible with how much I need to spend. I feel like my comfortable limit is around $200-$400 for a CPU, that being said if there is an option that is really good that is even cheaper than that, I would be willing to get that instead. If upgrading my motherboard and Ram is something that I need to do as well because of my outdated parts, then obviously i'm willing to spend more than my CPU budget.

I'm not very tech savvy when it comes to CPU's so i'm not sure what is good or not, however i'm getting better at knowing other parts such as GPU's and ram.

I don't think I need the CPU upgrade immediately, however some of the issues with my games are getting rather obnoxious when they occur (games becoming unresponsive for a half second or so when things get hectic). Most games work fine on my PC but I have noticed some of the newer games are beginning to have issues, even to the point of crashing to desktop in the middle of a game. Not going to go too much further with my tech issues as that's for a different subreddit.

Thanks again for the quick reply!

I have nearly the exact same build as you, i5-4590, 16 gb ddr3, 650w EVGA gold, and I upgraded to a Gigabyte G1 1060 6gb a few months ago. It will handle Fallout 4 and Skyrim at 1080p 60 fps no problem. At the very worst it might dip into mid 50's if really heavily modded/everything is on ultra (like god rays in FO4) in some areas.

That being said, the rx 480 would do the same, and might be cheaper. I've had bad experiences with amd cards before which is why I didnt go for it. Don't listen to Ireyes53 though, the 1060 will do what you want just fine if you are set on green team, but do consider the 480 instead if you are on a budget.

If you are going to be playing at 1440 or at 144mhz then its a better idea to save up for a 1070.

edit: instead of a single fan card, for slightly less you could get this Gigabyte Windforce 1060 or this MSI 1060

For about $20-30 less though you could get an 8gb 480 like this MSI Amour or this XFX GTR

I haven't upgraded my GPU in a long time and I'm not sure how the new ones are performance wise. I am looking at this one. What one do you think is the best performance for the cost? Is the dual fan one better or are you planning on overclocking it? What's PNY? My case has plenty of airflow so I'm not sure if I need the dual fan version.

Thanks for the lengthy reply, I really appreciate it and will look into those mods! I guess I should have clarified but I got the 6GB version of the 1060, not the 3GB so this should be a pretty big upgrade from my 660 ti. Is the card you have the 6GB or 3GB version? You mentioned mods being "performance friendly" with the 1060, were you saying that as the card wasn't able to handle more graphically intensive mods?

Relatively straightforward:
I'm looking for a case that will house my Mini-ITX MoBo, GTX 1060 6GB, EVGA 500W PSU, 500GB HDD. Everything needs to fit comfortably with plenty of room for upgrades in the future and proper airflow. Any recommended cases would be great. Thanks!

Nope on the synergy. I've got a 1060 and love it, this one just got a pretty great discount down to $240 if you're ok using rebates.

Although I have nothing but good things to say about my Mnpctech GPU brace, I admit it can be pricey. There's a more affordable brace available on Amazon, the Atlas Graphics Card Brace.

I actually have both of these braces. The Atlas worked perfectly fine for me, but I preferred the fit and polish of the Mnpctech brace (plus it's aluminum, whereas the Atlas is plastic).

dude thank you so much for the suggestions

In your opinion, which option would you think would have the best benefit?

I'm on amazon now doing some holiday shopping, what should i be looking for in terms for video cards? There is so many different branded RX 580's

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/ref=sr_1_1?s=cyber-monday&psr=EY17&ie=UTF8&qid=1543251138&sr=1-1&keywords=rx+580

Oh my god this is amazing!!! Thanks so much for doing this! Maybe I can finally get my long awaited graphics card...Life playing on ps3 and integrated graphics for the past 10 years has been hard (25 fps on Battlefield 4 on lowest settings). This would be a dream come true for me if I won.


Thanks again for doing this OP!! (Jesus, there are some expensive requests on this thread. How much did you make OP?!?!?!?!?!)

Yeah it is this model http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-AMD-Graphics-Card-DDR5/dp/B00IRTXPBM/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1417467050&sr=1-3&keywords=Radeon+R9+280X#productDetails

Thank you so much for your help you have just been great by the way in every helpful aspect!

Anyone know if Amazon would honor the price of this MSI 1060 Gaming X when MSI inevitably denies the full rebate?

I asked two support reps and they both confirmed I would get the full $60 rebate but MSI's fine print states only 1 rebate per item is allowed. The funny thing is only 1 of those 3 rebates is actually for that card and it's only $15. Anyone have any experience with something like this? I don't wanna spend $270 and get screwed because for about $210 I think its a great deal

Well, I've been shopping around trying to put something together since I posted this. I think I've got a pretty decent setup so far, It'll just take me a few weeks to save up for it. Can I get your opinion?

• CPU+Motherboard
  
  
• Graphics Card
  
  
• RAM
  
  I assume I could still use my 750w psu, and the case that my current PC is sitting in. I just want to know if these parts are compatible, and if they're worth buying at all. They seem to have good reputation.

I think you would be better off with the 1070 as it does great with 1080p and 1440p. GTV 5 is very demanding so it would do well with it. But if you want something a bit less then I would go with this: 8.8 inches long, perfect fit

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics-GV-N1060IXOC-6GD/dp/B01JNUO6BG/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1484415970&sr=8-11&keywords=gtx%2B1070%2Bmini&th=1

I have both a PC and a PS4. Facts are facts like /u/Hello_Hurricane pointed out. The truth is that PC's have more graphics potential and the consoles are not nearly up to what a high end PC rig can handle. While the increase in performance is not always linear or can be cost prohibitive to some, it doesn't mean they don't exist just because you say so.
I've wrangled up some sources to educate you as you seem ignorant on the subject.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask or contribute to the dialogue beyond circlejerking your position on the internet.

PS4 Breakdown, it's a modified HD 7870 in there

PC GPU Hierarchy Chart

Link to Amazon Page for HD 7870, 8th tier of hierarchy

Link to Amazon Page for the GTX 1080, Top tier of hierarchy

EDIT: I didn't even talk about the min system requirements for NMS, I can't believe it! The minimum GPU recommended is a GTX 480 which is one tier below the consoles coming in at 9th tier of gpu available on the market. Consoles barely meet the minimum system requirements for this game.

If you're okay with warehouse deals:

The R9 280 for $127 - you save around $24

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor | £137.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | MSI H97M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £61.14 @ Amazon UK
Memory | Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | £51.44 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £43.92 @ Amazon UK
Case | Fractal Design Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £39.50 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £38.52 @ Amazon UK
Other| Amazon Warehouse R9 280 | £127.00
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | £499.51
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-22 14:45 GMT+0000 |


Changed the case and the motherboard, check the case out see if you like it!

https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-1386MHz-Graphics-RX-580P8DFD6/dp/B06Y66K3XD/

$319 base w/ $20 MIR = $299 (basically the same cost as a GTX 1060 6gb these days)

Can go slightly worse card to save $9 but it's not worth it in my opinion.

In comparison, 1070's are starting at around $460.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126109

This OC'd triple fan one is $490 - $20 MIR = $470, so is probably your best bet for the money.

 

So is the 1070 going to be $170 better for you? Particularly as you have a Freesync monitor at the moment? I dunno, that's going to be your call.

GPUs have been trending downwards in cost though, so we may (hopefully) be seeing the prices of them return to reality. I bought my 1060 6gb for $199 right before prices went all stupid, so there's plenty of room for continued improvement in the GPU market.

So you would say that this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IEKYD5U/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

is superior to this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L9VB642/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

which is in turn better than this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZYPEHK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I'm looking at buying MSI cards, I really liked my last MSI laptop it lasted me forever...

Also...a lot of people are saying that 1070s are better than 1060s for the money. Is this true?

Hi thanks for the response, here is the pic of the connector going into the graphics card now
also there is another one laying right next to it on the bottom right corner looks like it's a 6 pin with a w pin connector to expand it. I'll ask my brother to send another pic as I'm at work right now

EDIT: ok here is the the other one
looks like I won't even need the adapter right? This is the card I'm planning on getting. Seems like it's a 6 pin and 8 pin connector

I've been holding out for a good deal on an RX 480 8 GB or GTX 1060 6GB, is this or this the lowest or close to the lowest I will be able to find either of them? I'm considering holding out until Friday for a better deal then jumping on one of these if one doesn't come up.

Edit: I just found this deal but I've never used Mike's Computer Shop. Seems like a good deal, is Mike's a good place to buy from?

The best performing card for the best price is the gigabyte G1 gaming. Because they test their GPU and put the most overclockable ones in the G1 series

I hope people don't mind if i tack on a very related question here. From reading threads here for a few days it seems that the EVGA SC is the most highly-recommended 1060 out there and so that's what I have my eye on, but it's sold out everywhere. Does anyone with any experience in the market have any idea how quickly popular cards like this get restocked? Thanks!
Edit: oh, weird, apparently amazon has them: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-06G-P4-6163-KR/dp/B01IPVSLTC . Could have sworn they were out of stock just yesterday.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor | $189.99 @ SuperBiiz
Motherboard | MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard | $46.88 @ OutletPC
Memory | Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory | $46.97 @ Jet
Storage | PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $64.99 @ Best Buy
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $49.78 @ OutletPC
Video Card | Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card | $249.99 @ Jet
Case | NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case | $59.99 @ NCIX US
Power Supply | SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | $49.99 @ B&H
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $88.58 @ OutletPC
Monitor | Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor | $188.83 @ Jet
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $1045.99
| Mail-in rebates | -$10.00
| Total | $1035.99
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-12-30 06:33 EST-0500 |

Here's my current build. I think before I buy the parts, I want to upgrade to a 1070; mostly to make sure everything runs smooth as butter on a 144hz monitor.


For 1070s, I've mostly looked at this one. (EVGA 1070, $389.99)


For the price, is this the best 1070 I can get? I'd rather not spend much more than $400 on a GPU.


BTW: The cheap-ish mobo on the build is still worrying me a bit. Will I be fine with it, or should I upgrade to a nicer mATX/ATX board?


Thanks!

I prefer sapphire, the 8gb model if you can find it. It's probably the best card under $200 atm. You can step up another $100 for a sapphire 5700, that'd be good as well. But this card, the sapphire pulse RX580 is REALLY good. https://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-11265-05-20G-Backplate-Graphics-Graphic/dp/B06ZZ6FMF8/ref=sr_1_24?keywords=vega+56&qid=1571523187&s=electronics&sr=1-24

You should check on Amazon right now then.

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0, 8GB GDDR5, LED, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) Graphics Card 08G-P4-6173-KR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GX5YWAO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_iFZoyb0KJCHS7

That's a pretty good price for a 1070 today. Unless you really only care about a specific look that is.

So because it was in its own market segment, that meant that the artificial price limit that Nvidia set for the AIB's by charging $100 more for their reference cards, which AIB's simply picked up and added to, made it alright?

Price gouging is price gouging.

The Nvidia 1070 was billed in reviews as a sub-$400 card. It didn't hit $400 regularly until March of this year, and then shot back up again to $500 in late April early May, and hasn't recovered.

No one called out Nvidia for "scamming" their review prices then. No one has called out the fact that 1070's are still $500 on Amazon and Newegg, while they are screaming that AMD isn't hitting $400.

This is lunacy. Utter knee jerk lunacy.

Just for clarity, look at the opening comment here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkiZdSBux9E

And Jay here. https://youtu.be/wmfMfhRI6To?t=120

And Steve GN here. https://youtu.be/4yq7VVW76VY?t=720

Kyle Bitwit here. https://youtu.be/BHH-ycqpYuA?t=91

All of them mentioning a $350-400 price point. A price point the cards didn't hit for almost a year. And you can check 3camels for all of the price trending to prove that to be true. Sales and special deals not withstanding.
Just for Kyles video...

https://camelcamelcamel.com/MSI-GTX-1070-GAMING-8G/product/B01GXOX3SW?context=search

https://camelcamelcamel.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1070-GAMING/product/B01HHED116?context=search

https://camelcamelcamel.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1070-GAMING/product/B01L9VBLP6?context=search


Be sure to select 3rd Party new, which is usually Newegg pricing. When the card was actually in stock, it was almost always above MSRP, with only that slump between March, April, and May, depending on which was in stock at the time.

Thanks for the reply :)

To answer you questions:

• I don't plan on over clocking
  
• I don't plan on using two graphics cards
  
• The highest resolution I'll be going is 1920 X 1080
  
  I'm happy you asked if I would be over clocking as I feel like that would play a major role in what I pick. I have almost no experience with motherboards, so I was unsure as to what to pick for that.
  
  As for the video card, what about something along the lines of this?

I think this card: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01GXOX3SW/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1492771511&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=gtx+1070&dpPl=1&dpID=51y7rQKEq4L&ref=plSrch, is better, its 405$, its almost same as the MSI ARMOR You linked but this one has some LEDs and MOST IMPRTANTLY a backplate, which can protect your card so it lasts longer. But if its red color doesnt suit your build or you dont want to spend the extra, the ARMOR is the next best alternative, though you have to be careful with it so it can last.

Ah thanks for that link, I've wishlisted it for future use. If you don't mind me asking, I thought that aftermarket versions generally had better cooling solutions than the FE? Why not just go with those?

P.S. Do you happen to know what the differences between the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW DT GAMING ACX 3.0 and the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW GAMING ACX 3.0 are?
Both can be found https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Adjustable-Graphics-08G-P4-6286-KR/dp/B01GAI64GO/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1469881675&sr=1-1&keywords=EVGA+GTX+1080 , but only the DT version ships to where I am. Thanks.

As an FYI, the R9 280 is on sale on Amazon for £129. I would highly recommend trying to find the extra £29 to get that card, huge improvement over something like a 260x/270 for only a tenner more

280 in question;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAPPHIRE-AMD-Graphics-Card-DDR5/dp/B00IRTXPBM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426328628&sr=8-1&keywords=280

I would dispute both of those claims.

First you wrote: The 1060 is a lot more expensive though.

Really? Brand for brand the difference is on average 50$. For example

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-1060-WINDFORCE-GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD/dp/B01JNUO6BG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474908716&sr=1-1&keywords=GTX+1060

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Radeon-Gaming-Graphics-GV-RX470G1GAMING-4GD/dp/B01JNTXM2Q/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1474908730&sr=1-4&keywords=RX470

That is 200 (AMD) vs 250 (Nvidia). I do not see 50$ as qualifying for a LOT more expensive. And that is also comparing the 8GB version of the 1060.

Second, price performance ratios are always a tricky topic. You are simply better off comparing the benchmarks, and then asking is 50$ worth it for Nvidia, holistically, taking into account other factors such as driver support.

I would 100% be confident in advising anyone buying a 1060 over a 470. If you care to explain why you think it is the other way around, I would like to hear it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor | $318.44 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler | CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler | $29.88 @ OutletPC
Motherboard | Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard | $189.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | $109.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Asus Radeon RX 480 8GB Dual OC Video Card | $234.95 @ Jet
Case | NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case | $66.99 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply | EVGA BQ 500W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply | $49.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $1000.23
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-17 18:44 EDT-0400 |

Will be able to play any game at 1080p, you can get windows for free using the guide at the top of the sub, if you want a non watermarked version you can replace the i7 with a i5 7600k or 6600k.

Also for about $100 more you could pick up a GTX 1070 that will outperform the Rx 480 by a notable margin.

I5 6600k- Intel Core i5 6600K 3.50 GHz Quad Core Skylake Desktop Processor, Socket LGA 1151, 6MB Cache (BX80662I56600K) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012M8M7TY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_izu9yb0MA7XZ2

GTX 1070- EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition, 8GB GDDR5, LED, DX12 OSD Support (PXOC) 08G-P4-5173-KR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KVZBNY0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_DAu9ybKZ4RQF3

What's the difference between these two graphics cards? Both are the RX 580.

• On one hand we have the Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 Gaming 8GB Graphic Cards GV-RX580GAMING-8GD priced at $247
  
• On the other hand we have the XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition 1386MHz OC+, 8GB GDDR5, VR Ready, Dual BIOS, 3xDP HDMI DVI, AMD Graphics Card (RX-580P8DFD6) priced at $190
  
  There's almost a $60 difference between these two RX 580s. Can someone help me figure out what's different here?
  
  edit: added prices

Honestly I would swap out the GTX 1050ti with a 3gb 1060. Right now you can get a 1060 for around $250 and it would be a huge step up from the 1050ti. Plus it should run most games on high at 60+ fps. Other than that, it looks like a great budget build!

Here's a link to the one my buddy just bought -

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GAMING-Support-03G-P4-6162-KR/dp/B01KU2CIIY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526913904&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1060+3gb

Looks good man! I just built mine with somewhat of the same setup. Just a recommendation, since this is brand new, you should pick up one of these GPU bracket supports I noticed mine started to sag after a few months. It's normal for these big GPU's to sag and isn't bad or anything, I just think it looks nice when it's setup nice. The bracket looks good inside a build too.

Obviously check your power supply before buying one, but most modern cards have less power usage than older cards. Right off the bat I see:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KU2CIIY

Which is more expensive than normal, but evidently cards have spiked I got a 960 like a year and a half ago and spent less than what they're going for now.

http://www.frys.com/product/9199278
is a pretty good card for the money.

/r/buildapcsales

Hi r/hardwareswap Before I begin all prices are negotiable as long as you are buying a decent amount of parts and shipping is not included in price but we can figure that out later.

Also before I begin with the sale I am willing to trade all or most parts to whoever can offer a Asus Strixx GTX 1080. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K5F8MJK/ref=twister_B01JBD39EA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 As my parts are not that expensive and I am withholding a few more valuable parts for sale. This only applies to those with a 1080.

I am willing to sell/trade my RX-480, HD 7870, and i5-2400 along with cash and the parts listed for a Asus Strixx GTX 1080. That is only if you have it.

Now for the sale!

P4P800/ SL7E6-$15

G33M02/ E2160-$15

Unknown Board/ SL5VJ- $10

Wifi Netgear WG311v3-$20

Wifi Asus WL-138GV2-$10

Dynex DX-E102 Network Adapter - PCI - 10/100Mb LAN- FREE with a wifi card Gvc

Dell SF-1156I/R2F Pci Fax Modem Card-Free with wifi card EVGA GeForce 8400 GS Graphics Card - 512 MB DDR3 - 32-bit - 520 MHz-$20

HP PCI Express X16 Graphics Card nVidia Geforce 8300gs (ranger) 128mb Mfr P/N 5189-0476-$15

Unkown Graphics Card-$10

Gigabyte Radeon X800 XT GV-R80X256V Graphics Card - 256 MB GDDR3- $20

450 Watt-$15

300 Watt-$10 250 Watt-$5

All RAM DDR2 and DDR1 -$10 Fans- $5

Non SATA DVD drives+ Floppy, 2 Working-$5

Cases- Shipping fees

LINKS: http://imgur.com/a/9OgRR

http://imgur.com/a/G7WyM

http://imgur.com/a/prvHd

http://imgur.com/a/AalM2

That was painful to read so hope that helps

for reals? i just bought this card from amazon.com for $260. Should I box it up and return it. I'd like to be able to play GTA V when it is released this year. Are prices going to bottom on the GTX760? Is there going to be a better model in the 250ish price range?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHW4HXY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Any advice is greatly appreciated.