Reddit mentions: The best gun & ammunition storage & safes

A basic cleaning kit, a bottle of Break Free CLP, some disposable ear plugs, and a pair of safety goggles shouldn't run you more than $30 total and will be perfect for what you want. As you get more involved and buy more guns you'll buy more gear, better cleaning stuff (boresnakes and the like), you'll find an oil that you particularly like (personally, I'm partial to Militec and Strike Hold), and some fancy electronic ear-muffs and nice shooting glasses.

As far as a case, unless you're carrying an expensive rifle or custom match-grade pistol or you'll be rock climbing with it, you don't need a Pelican case. A $10 plastic pistol case with egg-crate foam inside will suffice for just about everything you will be doing with your pistol. I know you said you already ordered snap-caps, but I have to recommend the A-Zoom aluminum caps. The plastic ones break too easily.

If I could give you one piece of advice it would be this: I know that it's fun to buy every accessory ever made for your gun, but honestly most of them are more gimmicky than useful. Start simple and cheap and buy things as you need them. Learn from other shooters what works and what doesn't and make friends that will let you try their gear, guns, and accessories so that you aren't buying blindly. Everyone is different and what works for one person may not work well for you.

Good luck and welcome to the club!

Here's a cheaper, lower-risk, higher-readiness alternative to what most would recommend (quick access rifle safe, etc):

If you are only concerned with keeping it secure from your 1-year-old, a magnet on the wall might work.

You could easily mount it high enough that the buttstock is around your eye level, and you reach over your head to pull it off the wall. That'll keep your kids from getting access until they are a lot taller and stronger.

I have my home defense shotgun in the corner of the room next to our bed, and I use one of those magnets to keep it secured to the wall because our big dogs had a tendency to knock into it when they were playing or excited about breakfast.

Those magnets are VERY strong. I can put it in the palm of my hand, press the back of my hand to the fridge and the magnet will hold through my hand. 1 would easily hold an AR off the ground. 1 holds my 870 with 10+ shells in/on it.

This is the one I used and mounted through the wall to a stud (looks like it's rated for 25 lbs): http://amzn.com/B00LR454YU

Dear OP, since it seems you are honestly curious for discussion, I will provide a thorough and honest breakdown as to why Jim's presentation on gun control can be considered, at best, low-blow hyperbole and satire that is not constructive in the discussion of gun control in the USA.

0:00~1:30 - Jim states government mandates on guns have worked in Australia and acknowledges some general cultural differences in the US. Jim dismisses high profile shootings that have happened in Australia post mandate (granted it is not nearly as bad as what happens in the USA)

Pt.1, 1:30-5:00 - Jim states the only argument for having a gun is that one likes guns, that they increase risk of domestic tragedy, and are not a viable solution for home protection. In examining the possible (and very unique) benefits of having a gun, it's more than just simply "I like guns" (and I promise I will elaborate on that later). In regards to suicide, the USA is not a statistical leader; countries with stricter controls such as France, Japan and S.Korea have higher suicide rates. In regards to responsible storage, there are solutions that lock guns away from curious children while allowing quick access should they be required.

Pt.1, 5:00~6:45 - Jim mocks the suggestion that armed staff at schools could reduce the damage from school shooters, describing staff as lacking qualification or incentive. Some school districts have regular police officers to be security at schools, often carrying their duty weapons while fulfilling their regular duties.

Pt.1, 6:45~7:15 Jim reels it all back saying not everyone agrees with him, but this is just a stand-up routine, so don't get all wound up. Well, thanks Jim! It's not like gun control supporters are going to take you seriously and share this link on social media to make their case, compelling me to write a serious response to your admittedly not so serious comedy routine. But you do take this seriously, as the ratings for this video are disabled, and you delete any comments containing thoughtful and honest disagreement.

Pt.1, 7:15-7:45 Jim addresses those who disagree with him, saying they're upset because he has "good points." No you don't, you dishonest hyperbolic gaslighter. If good comedy is about making light about the hard truths of life, please do better with your facts next time.

Pt.2, 0:00~2:15 - Jim is right that the first amendment protects him as he criticizes other amendments, and that they are not sacred as they are amendments, after all. So, here's what it takes to change the constitution, specifically in regards to repealing the 2nd as other amendments have in the past. Easy!

Pt.2, 2:15~3:00 - Slavery strawman. Slavery is antithetical to the ideals of human rights and freedom. Firearms have unique qualities in promoting freedom (again, will get into that, I promise).

Pt.2, 3:00~4:00 - Jim says it's the negligent 1% that screws up what responsible people should be allowed to do. Generally, that is the case. Gun control in the USA, for the most part, has been expanding for the past 100 years, most of it failing due generally to a lack of enforcement.

Pt.2, 4:00~5:00 - Unfunny and unproductive sidestep into Descartes foundational philosophy; moving on.

Pt.2, 5:00~6:15 - Jim says guns are too easy to buy (and that they can be delivered, which is mostly false). Jim jokes at the idea of a black market, saying crazy people won't have as much access to them. This may be true, but like with the prohibition, this incentivizes organized crime. And with enough guns to arm every human in the USA, manufacturing capabilities such as machining and 3D printing, all of which has a better shelf life than moonshine, a black market is a very real possibility.
Muzzle loaded guns can be shipped through the mail

Pt.2, 6:15~7:50 Jim makes fun of the idea that a militia can resist a government force that is technologically superior. Funny enough, this is used as an argument for why either a) the power of the federal government be limited (legally and militaristically) or b) that militias should be allowed to own more than just rifles. Vietnam and Iraq prove that guerrilla militias can exhaust the US military. If the government does become tyrannical, they would need to break significant red tape to deploy the full capabilities of the US military on the homeland (see the Posse Comitatus Act, restricting such deployment). Militias would likely be lead by veterans to fight against what remains of the US military that can be deployed and has not defected over unconstitutional orders. A tyrannical government that would break through this red tape would effectively become delegitimized, fragmenting the US into civil war. As terrifying as this sounds, the 2nd Amendment helps ensure that an emerging dictatorship cannot easily exploit the resources and people of the union. The better armed a populous, the more expensive and exhausting it will be to keep them under the boot.

And before I go, I'd like to cash in on some identity politics because it often seems to be all the rage with those who support gun control. I'm a 2nd Gen immigrant to the USA, and my parents were refugees escaping a tyrannical regime. Their generation had to take up arms to buy time to escape. Those who were not so lucky were imprisoned, forced into labor and worked to death, buried in mass graves. I find it tragically ironic that gun control advocates are quite often the same people who would call Trump the 2nd Hitler, because if that is the case, then get ready to be the 2nd Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I understand there's a preference to more peaceful measures in making a more perfect union, and we should keep it that way. But if limited only to free expression and protest, change might not happen at all. Just ask the thousands of students who participated in the 1989 Tienanmen square protests. Oh wait, you can't.

If you made it this far, thanks for taking the time. If not, hey, I'll save this the next time someone shares this unproductive rambling from Jim as if it carried sound wisdom. **edit: formatting

I'm ready for this question! I have a whole bookmark tab because I'm planning on building a vanity and redoing all of my storage. I'll give you a sneak peak into it (; Let me know if you want more! I have a bit more than a dozen of these things saved.


First up, acrylic drawer organizers!. Much cheaper than most other competition I've seen. I use these to house blush and bronzer and whatnot. If you guys can find a flaw in the first one I linked please let me know since that is what I'm planning on buying!


For samples, lots of people go for ammo boxes but I'm thinking of buying test tube racks/cases such as this or this. There's also a stainless steel options of the later version that look really pretty but are much more expensive and since these will be in drawers...I don't care quite that much.


If you do go for ammo boxes, however, this particular box has been mentioned several times in the past. It won't fit the longer or short and fat samples, but it'll do fine for most others. I don't care for it because of the color options, to be quite honest about it. It's a superficial thing and if you don't care I've seen many great reviews of this box.


For full-sized bottles, I've seen people use cake stands and pretty trays but since perfumes are light sensitive I plan on hanging a spice rack like this one inside a cabinet. Really you can hang it anywhere as long as it's out of light and humidity (so not in your bathroom!).

There are a lot of components to firing off a good shot and as a new shooter, it can be tough to keep them all in mind: You need to have good trigger control, you need to focus your eyes on your front sight, you need to have a consistent and firm grip, your stance needs to be consistent and steady, you should time your shots to your respiratory pause to maximize accuracy. All of that is what you need to achieve, and as you get more experienced, you'll see how all of these components work together.

Anticipating recoil can be addressed from two angles, both of which involve focusing your mind on something other than anticipating when the trigger will break the shot: Actively thinking about maintaining front sight focus and actively thinking about trigger control. With practice, you'll be able to do both at the same time.

A good exercise that will address both of these is dry firing. The objective is to practice focusing on your front sight while manipulating the trigger in a manner which does not disturb sight alignment. You'll need an unloaded pistol and a featureless wall. Get a good thumbs forward grip on the pistol and aim at the wall. Make sure to pick an area without markings because you don't want anything to pull your focus away. Focus your eyes on the front sight. The rear sight should be blurry and you should be able to make out lots of detail on your front sight. Now place your finger on the trigger and slowly apply straight rearward force... slowly and steadily increase that pressure until the trigger breaks. Don't think about "pulling" the trigger, just think about increasing pressure. While you're thinking about pressure, keep your eyes focused on your front sight. If it moves, stop putting pressure on the trigger and start from the beginning. Do this until you get 10 good clean trigger breaks in a row.

The next time you go to the range, dry fire a few times before you run any live ammo through your pistol. If you find that you're still anticipating recoil, try the ball and dummy drill: You'll need some snap caps and some live ammo. Have your brother load you up a mag with a random distribution of snap caps and live ammo. Shoot at your target and treat it as a dry fire drill. If you manage to keep the pistol still even on snap caps, congratulations! If not, stop the drill, do 10 perfect dry fire reps, and run the ball and dummy again.

I know it's a lot to take in, but trust me that all of this will make sense and get easier the more you do it. It's not a bad idea to keep a personal training log and plan the drills you will run ahead of time. Just be honest with yourself and you will improve.

This is why I linked the 4 can ammo crate also. It seems like a good deal for throwing in the truck since it has a tray they snap into. They are 30 cal cans, but for $6 a pop with free tray it seems like a good trunk set.

I agree though the flat ones definitely are nice for stationary storage.

I dont think I saw this recommended in here yet but sorry if it is. When I first started carrying I was too nervous about keeping one in the chamber. Thinking back now Im not sure why I was because I refused to buy a gun with a safety for carry purposes. Anyway, someone recommended me picking up a few Snap Caps to use for dry firing.

Well I decided to load my firearm with the snap cap and then do my normal activities around the home. Surprise surprise, no accidental discharges. I decided to take it a step further and did things I normally wouldnt be doing. Jumping jacks, rolling around on the ground, and anything else that could possibly make it go bang. Nothing. Worked my way up to practicing unholstering, dry firing, racking the slide and reholstering. Never had it unintentionally fire (snap cap.)

So that was it. It gave me the confidence that its never going to go bang unless you stick a finger in there and pull the trigger. Follow the safety rules and you will be good to go.

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As for comfort try out a different holster and or position. Also make sure you're using an actual gun belt. Using an actual gun belt made a world of difference for me. Also if you a skinny dude, give appendix carry a try. Check out the G-Code INCOG holster. You can check out the video from Travis Haley here: INCOG Appendix Holster Appendix carry works great for deeper concealment and is perfect for the sitting position. Also allows for extremely fast draw and reholstering. Good luck!

I have this micro safe. I like it cause the fast access, internal battery, holes on bottom for mounting and it comes with a half decent security tether. Of course some bolt cutters could probably cut it. But it is pretty nice.
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370903819&sr=8-1&keywords=micro+safe

But for your case I'd recommend
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SV500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1370903880&sr=1-2

Fast access and you can bolt it to a stud. I just prefer the fast access for if I'm home during a burglary. There is not going to be a safe that is cheap and portable that is going to prevent a determined burglar So like other users said I'd secure the apartment better as well.

>so i just want to be able to not have to spend absorbent legal fees defending myself.

For sure, the best solution would be to change the storage requirement laws, like how the storage requirements in Washington DC were recently struck down by our supreme court because they prevented people from legally storing guns accessible for self defense.

I'm just talking about your options for now, without any change to the laws.

>unlock your safe

Is there a requirement of what type of safe? Can you use the rapid unlock handgun safes, like this?

>(mag must not be in the gun during storage)

Do they inspect your storage periodically, and do you have warning of when such inspections will occur? I can't see how that could possibly be enforced in the US with our right against unreasonable searches. If you have a warning of when the inspections will occur you could make sure you were complying with the storage requirement just for the inspections, and if you have to use the gun in necessary self defense just lie and say it was unloaded.

>of course both of those options take time which as you know is very precious in a home invasion

Indeed, which is precisely why I'm suggesting you should break the law and be prepared to lie about it because they will be unable to prove you broke the law. We have a strong spirit of civil disobedience in the USA, and we consider an unconstitutional law to not be a binding law at all, we often simply ignore laws we don't agree with and are prepared to defend ourselves in the court of law from the consequences later if necessary.

Not the same one (another person linked you to that) but I will say this other, similar case has been great for me.

Stack-On DCOG-10 Deluxe Deep Cup Parts Storage Organizer with 10 Removable Cups https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EHY9RA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_gp5IxbDFWF1EQ

It's incredibly sturdy and can fit even large EDH decks plus tokens in a single cup. I use it for holding all my duel decks as well, and the wide cups are great for general storage (mana station, tokens, dice) or for holding oversized cards for planechase or archenemy.

I've got about six of those cases and they are fantastic.

I noticed someone else recommend Liberty Safe, and though I'm sure they were recommending the full size options, I was browsing and noticed their pistol boxes. The Liberty biometric smart vault for handguns looks exactly like the Inprint. I've actually had decent luck with the Inprint in terms of it reading the finger print. They are definitely just a box of thin sheet metal though. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but if I couldn't get a small normal gun safe, I'd consider the heaviest jewelry/document/cash style safe I could get, or maybe something like the Fort Knox pistol safe mounted somewhere.

Knowing what you know now, make sure to get a good safe. The most important thing is that it can't be picked up and carried off - so bolt it down. And don't go for just the cheapest one you can find. This one is my favorite. Its very heavy duty and will keep anyone from a quick smash and grab. Mechanical combo is good because no battery to worry about dying on you in the worst possible time. The one downside is that this style of combo lock has a small number of combos so someone really dedicated could spend a few hours and brute force the combo.

Also note that most safes are not really "safes" and can easily be cut into with a grinder. If you get a rifle safe try to put it somewhere that people don't see easily, and is in a hard place to access like inside a closet where they can't get good leverage or to the sides of the safe.

EDIT: pointed out that I was sounding like a simple Stack On gun cabinet is not enough. That should be fine. You just need to make sure the gun is secure from the kid and if you leave it at home, would take more than 5 minutes to get at for a burglar. The point I meant to make about the "most safes are not really safes" is that a cheap stackon cabinet is about as secure as any safe you're going to spend a couple grand on. For a safe/cabinet/lockbox that can be picked up you still want it bolted down.

you mentioned something for "all my family's guns"... how many are we talking and what kind?

like someone else mentioned - both can be easily defeated - heck even some of the better options just slow people down. you mention that someof the lock boxes can be taken - very true. i have a cable connected to my gunvault safe which is then again connected to the bed. can this be defeated? sure.. but hopefully the alarm going off will mean that theyre trying to take the easy stuff. here is the one i have i got it for just over $100 at a gun show. to answer your question - theyre kept loaded and ready to go.

i only store my carry guns (well and also my kids xbox controller when he gets in trouble) in there... otherwise theyre all in a safe thats bolted to the foundation of the house.

good luck with your search

hey, kinda weird bringing this up again, but if you do want to bring your entire perfume collection - ammo boxes. this one fits 1 mL samples perfectly and [this one] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001F0NU2E) is perfect for 2 mL. Hope this helps :)

I just got the one to fit all my 1 mL samples in today and oh my god, it's so perfect, I can't believe I didn't do this sooner. also, apparently the one I linked for 2 mL also works for 1 mL, they stand right above the divider

The hard case that came with my XD-9 doesn't meet TSA requirements because it can be pried open even with a lock on it. No problem, I just purchased a GunVault Nano for it, but was a little bit bummed out since the XD case was otherwise really nice (I like the foam cut-outs). I'm wondering if Springfield has improved on their cases with the XDM or XDS. Does your case look like it can be pried open even when a lock is in place?

> any reason why i'm shooting high and left with both guns?

At 10 and 15 yards, your group should be centered around your Point of Aim.

Your best solution for accuracy improvement (including putting your Point of Impact directly over your Point of Aim) is in-person instructor feedback. Ask if your local range has a regular class or instructor. If not, contact a local NRA instructor and ask for a one or two hour block on marksmanship fundamentals.

> I am mostly interested in training for self defense, but am also interested in doing local competetive matches like IDPA

You need a holster, and to be able to draw your pistol and handle your firearm without endangering yourself or others. Your accuracy is good enough to get started.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitionShooting/comments/5qb4qf/what_is_something_you_wish_you_had_known_before#dcylzqq

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Where is the front sight at on the target, at the moment immediately before the front sight lifts in recoil?

As Adam describes it, "If you can't describe it, you probably didn't see it (or focus appropriately)." If you are having problems seeing it, mix some snap caps into your magazine (aka do the Ball and Dummy Drill).

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> Are there any drills out there to help bring my grouping back up and center?


Additional Drills:

• Focus on the front sight
  
  
• Press the trigger straight back to the rear (without moving the sights off target)
  
  
• Learn to Call Your Shots
  
  
• Make sure the sight doesn't move when the hammer/striker fires (you can practice this without ammo, then validate at the range with live-fire)
  

If you are interested in something similar, but with a lower profile. I am pretty happy with my purchase of this magnet thingy.

I actually mounted it to the right of my right knee on the front of the dash. You would never notice it empty, and it holds way more securely than you would expect. No issues in daily driving or slamming on the breaks, but I wouldn't trust it for off-roading or anything.

You just bring the top of your firearm towards it and it will straight up suck it onto it. It's super strong. You could also mount it on the side where your picture has the holster and have it stick to the side of your slide.

Due to another suggestion on a different thread about this very subject last week, I went and got this on Amazon for $12:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And I love it. It's great. Can ultimately fit up to 12 decks, or less if you prefer storing dice in it as well. But it's awesome. Sturdy and easy to get the decks out. You can just pull each individual plastic container out to get out one specific deck.

Yup, using a gun mount magnet from Amazon.

I just started using it but I think it will work out great for me. I work from home most of the time so it's a good spot for my EDC to live. It's not immediately visible so I'm not worried about an intruder finding it during a break-in while we're sleeping and it's with me if I leave the house.

I added the padding discs on top of it and that reduced the magnet strength a bit so I ordered a second magnet. It held there fine if I put it right in the sweet spot but I didn't want to risk it ever falling off.

Handguns I recommend buying a 9mm for the ammo is cheap enough that you can actually afford to practice with it. Sure bigger is better but when .45acp costs $20+ a box, you will soon begin to balk at paying to feed it. 9mm is a great round to start on for it is lighter on the recoil and with modern hollow point ammunition it is still a great cartridge. These cost around $450- 600 for a polymer framed pistol ie Glock, Springfield. For any gun you purchase look for the cost of ammo for that will be a motivator or a inhibitor to practice.

There is a never ending (good) debate on how to store a firearm for self defense. Anything you do to secure the gun the slower the response will be but the safer it may become. They make some very good small safes called Gunvault: http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=pd_sim_sg_14

Gun laws are tough for they change and sometimes the interpretations of laws change. http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws.aspx , click on state gun laws to view a state by state breakdown.

It shouldn't be mandatory, but laws should allow teachers who already have firearm training to keep a secure weapon near their person, under their desk or something, if they want to. Something like this. In my high school I could name at least 5 of my teachers who were competent with firearms and, had the law allowed, would keep something like this in their class. You don't have to tall any kids it's there. It could save a kids life someday.

So here's why that argument is silly. First of all, its an AR15, not an M4. Second of all, and most importantly, an AR15 can fill multiple different roles.

Let's say I hunt small game rabbits, snakes, foxes, and dangerous animals for livestock like coyotes, and wolves, and I also hunt larger game like deer or elk.

I could buy a varmint gun that only fires .22LR, another intermediate gun that fires .223 for the wolves and coyotes, and another larger rifle that fires an elk caliber like 30-06.

So that would come out to:

• Ruger 10/22 - 200$
  
• Savage Axis .223 - 313$
  
• Savage Axis 30-06 - 392$
  
  and since I'm a responsible gun owner, I now need a gun safe for 3 rifles so lets go with
  
  
• This safe - 245$
  
  So that comes out to 1150$, and I now need to take care of, clean, and potentially repair 3 different rifles. Well how about an AR15 instead?
  
  
• AR15 lower - 270$
  
• .22LR AR15 upper - 325$
  
• .223 AR15 upper - 375$
  
• 6.8 Remington SPC AR15 upper (also elk caliber) - lets take my friend's final price, 450$
  
  And we need to store these again, but a lower and 3 uppers takes up less space than 3 rifles so lets get this pelican case
  
  
• Case - 139$ and a 10$ lock.
  
  So that comes out to 1419$, but I only need to know how to take care of, clean and repair 1 type of rifle, an AR15. So I've traded a slight increase in cost for greater convenience.
  
  

The barrel casts quite a shadow. I may switch it out for an [Inforce WML] (http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/inforce-wml-white-light-momentary-only_desert-sand/?gclid=CICoiPjDzrgCFRDZQgodpH0ARA), which looks like it gets a little bit more out there, but not as much as a dedicated light on a canted mount.

I really have it on there for the HD practicality, but take it off most trips to the range. While it is in the safe, I leave the light mounted with a magazine of 75gr Hornady Tap ready to go. A Glock 21 (with a TLR1S) lives next to the bed in a Fort Knox FTK-PB Pistol Box to help me get to the AR if needed.

• Metal locking cabinet
  
  
• Stud Finder
  
  
• Some lag screws with washers
  
  Use the stud finder to locate a stud in your wall (closets can be a good place), mark it above the top of the safe. Take your safe, find the holes in the back (or drill some) Mark the top of the safe in line with the holes in the back. Line up both marks, getting the safe as close to the wall as possible (you might need to put it up on some plywood if there is a kicker board). Drive the bolts into the stud anchoring it in place.
  
  This is easy to remove and patching 4 or 5 screw holes in drywall is something that most apartment dwellers will be doing anyway.

I like mechanical, too. But took a chance and picked up the Barska Quick Access biometric a year ago and put in the upstairs closet. It's really just a biometric "safety cabinet" mounted to studs, but overall I'm satisfied with the purchase. I do recommend scanning multiple fingers, in case something causes interference with the scan (e.g. callus). It's been overall dependable and perhaps worth checking out, anyway.

But a prepared burglar w/ the right tools could open or walk out w/ it, given few minutes to spare.

I've been keeping an eye on this for a while and it finally has dropped to a price I'd feel comfortable paying. It's not the cheapest it's ever been but it generally doesn't drop below this (other than the one instance in April). They're normally $118-$140 on Amazon.

And yes, as with every security cabinet ever posted: Everyone is aware this isn't a safe and won't stop theft if someone really wants to break in. They're for securing guns from guests or kids while also meeting state storage requirements.

1. The swat officers and first responders to a mass shooting would be able to easily identify the teachers with firearms from the shooter because the teachers would be with students. Also the teacher would stand down when the police arrived. Very rarely does a citizen with a firearm who is protecting others from a shooter get seen as the shooter and even more rarely are they caught in the crossfire. One recent example I can think of is Sutherland Springs.
   
   
2. This is my biggest problem but I live in Texas and we already have armed teachers at some campuses. My mom is one such teach. My wife will be when she feels comfortable (she has a concealed carry but doesn't carry to school.) Anyways, I mention this because there have been many many fights and incidents at the school and a gun has never been pulled on a student.
   
   
3. I don't really understand this question, There wouldn't be a reason to identify mental illness unless there was an active shooter and in that case, I think the kid would a gun would make it clear.
   
   
4. and 5. Go hand in hand. The simple answer is, if the teacher wishes to carry, then a finger print safe is required. These were provided for my mom's school to teachers who wished to carry by a private donar in partnership with the school
   
   Sidenote: I don't ever want any of these firearms to be used at a school, but I would rather have them there in the hands of teachers who would do anything for my daughter than nothing there stopping a shooter.

This is what I use for my nightstand pistol Amazon - GunVault

Works great, can open it in the dark and no finicky fingerprint scanner (Though they have one with that option). Goes great in a drawer.

This would work good under the bed or on a closet shelf.

As far as what to use for a rifle... something like This under the bed or behind the headboard maybe?

Photo for sizing comparison.

I can't include every vendor's name, there are just too many so hopefully that sizing photo will help you. I haven't included Sixteen92's 2ml sample in a case because I just put mine in the side of the Plano 12 or 16 Gauge box.

BPAL's imps are also 1ml. BPAL full size fits, tight into a 10-12 gauge ammo case.

• For 1ml vials (BPAL Imps, Solstice Scent samples, etc) THIS case works perfect. (Search Amazon: MTM 38/357 Cal 100 Round Flip-Top Ammo Box)
  
  
• For full size bottles (BPAL, Madame Josephine Rollerballs, Solstice Scents full size roller balls) THIS case works. (Search Amazon: MTM 25-Round Magnum Shotshell Box)
  
  
• For Cocoa Pink drams, Smelly Yeti samples, Alchimia Apothecary samples, ThreeTenLabs samples, etc. THIS case works (Search Amazon: Plano Shot Shell Box, 12 & 16 gauge)
  
  
  I hope this helps! :)

Depends on how secure you need/want it to be. Stack on makes what is laughingly called an 8-gun cabinet that can comfortably fit 4 long guns. It is approx. 4 feet tall and pretty thick gauge steel. The drawback being the shelf barely fits a few mags so you'd have to get those over the door hanging handgun compartments.

https://smile.amazon.com/Stack-GCB-8RTA-Assemble-Security-Shotguns/dp/B004EYTD4W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506100410&sr=8-1&keywords=stack+on+gun+cabinet

If the threat model is persistent intruder, then you might have an issue even with a safe that's not secured to the location.

If the thread model is "kids/guests", then any sort of lock box is going to be just fine.

As you say, a quick-access safe in discrete concealment might meet the best of both worlds. A GunVault Micro at 8.5" x 11" x 2.5" is going to need a pretty big "book" to conceal. The "Nano" line is only 8.2" x 6" x 1.8", a bit easier.

Also, there's plenty of in-plain-sight furniture (shelving, tables, &c.) along those lines.

A secure safe bolted underneath your seat is the best option.
I opted for one of these and just secured it under my seat with a bike chain and padlock. That way it's easily accessible to store my firearm in it and lock it and slip it back under the seat, all before even opening my car door.
And then obviously lock your doors. So if you go this route, you sorta have three lines of defense: The car doors, the box secured to the vehicle and the lock on the box itself.
Oh, and also, don't advertise anything on your car. No 2A stickers, no Plock Gerfection--anything. And you'll be fine.

Edit: Actually, if you put some gun control/equality/Bernie Sanders stickers on your car, you probably won't have anything to worry about. Just toss it in the glove box. 😂

He doesn't need 3 loaded handguns for home defense.

Hornady makes a pretty good automagic safe which will pop open with an RFID card on his keychain, wallet, or on a bracelet. Or he can mash a couple fingers and it pops open.

Put it on the night stand with ONE loaded gun inside for when kids are over, put the other guns in a larger safe or somewhere inaccessible.


I have a 15 month old who likes getting into stuff, and that is how I keep him out of my carry guns.

My shotgun stays in a high place.

My other tens of thousands of dollars in guns stay in a real safe in the bottom of a lake.

I have the old version of the Hornady Rapid Safe on my nightstand and I like it:

https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Security-Rapid-Safe-Black/dp/B00I8FQ43G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1497444881&sr=8-3&keywords=hornady+rapid+safe

I lock the backup key in my big gun safe and "deprogrammed" all the RFID tags, so the only way to use it is the combination. I don't want there to be something that a kid could find that would open my safe.

I don't know how it would work mounted on a vertical surface, and the door is going to need room to pop open.

For what you describe, the GunVault SpeedVault mentioned earlier is probably the way to go:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GunVault-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe-SV500-13/204219139?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-D25H-Security&Safety%7c&gclid=CjwKEAjwvYPKBRCYr5GLgNCJ_jsSJABqwfw7BGVe5mapIdlp5YkWh0yYkzfBPFZ7b4GnATXgPacZHRoCE-nw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

All that said, I've been looking at something like the Hornady AR Gunlocker for under the bed. Because I think that the AR is a better option for a home defense gun.

http://shop.opticsplanet.com/hornady-rapid-safe-ar-gunlocker-98190.html?_iv_code=0H-GF-98190&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&gclid=CjwKEAjwvYPKBRCYr5GLgNCJ_jsSJABqwfw7u-6Sk67wQpFMTa8f-moGPSxssUGjwhAuluz_fGY0qhoC9hbw_wcB

> I suppose I should practice though

Yes, yes you should. It's good that they're in a safe since you've said you've got kids. You could perhaps look into one of the bedside safes that use biometrics for easier access, like a SpeedVault or a Hornady RapidSafe.

There's another one I can't find at the moment, but it mounts to any vertical surface, and pops the handgun up with the grip facing your hand, ready-to-grab.

Check the FPS on the ammo, there are not a ton of options of 124gr at this high fps. PPU is not as consistent, I've had FTF issues with the Aguila, Blazer is a joke with fps, Armscor is all underpowered, and what is stated on the ZVS box is very different than in tests. I have heard that Magtech is re-branded S&B but I have no proof.

If you want the lowest cost you aren't going to be looking at 124gr ammo and if you are looking at 124gr ammo I personally believe you should be looking to get the best performance in fps out that weight.

Edit:

Plus the box size is smaller than standard and these Plano Boxes perfectly fit 1k rounds of it each.

Is he a Vietnam veteran by chance? I knew an older guy who did something very similar to this, had undiagnosed PTSD from Vietnam and was convinved that one day charlie would be back to finish the job, hence a bolt action in the attic. Anyways, something like this is good for night stand or drawer use because it's quick and small enough to conceal such a place. Obviously someone could just walk away with the safe so you'd have to bolt/screw it to the stand to keep it secured.

We all know interspecies romance is weird.

Okay, I've got one. How about an ammo box?

I actually feel pretty gross about having it on my makeup wishlist. However, someone posted the idea of having one to keep your tiny perfume vial samples in, and, well... that's pretty clever.

Also, this tea just because it's freaking wonderful.

Return your safe and get a Ft. Knox Pistol box. It has a simplex lock that you can open in the dark in a couple of seconds. I have one. Its built like a tank and super easy to use.

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Ft Knox Pistol Box

I use this one as a bedside pistol safe.

https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8

It is super durable, and I think the lock is a good blend of simple yet secure enough.

I had an amazing time, getting to shoot basically every service rifle used in WW2 all in the same day was awesome.

Many thanks to the guys who shuttled my girlfriend and I up to the range and back down again. To the gentleman who gave us a ride back down (whose username I didn't get), the racks I use for my ammo cans are the MTM AC4C. Next time we're definitely borrowing a truck and maybe camping for the weekend.

5. I mean, maybe this doesn't carry weight with you, but I would say this is the clearest violation of your 2nd and 14th amendment rights and is a mirror image of poll taxes (see the 14th amendment and Harper v. Virginia State Board of Education) and/or current arguments about Voter ID laws (for reference, a state ID in Indiana, which requires gov't issued ID to vote, costs $13). Notably, debates about voter ID laws are ongoing, but many of the arguments against requiring ID are the same that I would make here: they constitute a burden to exercising your rights, particularly in a way that disparately impacts disenfranchised people.
   
   
   To combine 4 and 5 for a second, thinking about someone who has minimal extra budget and is looking to buy a handgun for themselves. Let's say they can only afford a Hi-Point C9. With an MSRP of $150, that is something that someone who has a limited income might be able to afford. Lets say, plus a box of 50 rounds of ammo for $20 so they can practice shooting? thats $170 to protect themselves and/or their family. Now, lets be clear, this is far from what I would recommend to someone who can afford to spend more money, but $170 is a fair amount of money to some people. Now lets say they have to pay the $25 fee, so we are up to $195. And they need to buy a quick access safe because they have kids around the house but need to actually be able to access the firearm in case of an emergency. So that's another $85. We are now at 280, instead of $175; nearly a 50% jump in cost for someone who is already scraping by. and that's assuming they are just buying a pistol. If they want to buy a rifle, which by every measure other than concealability is a better tool to defend yourself with (and which you would prefer in a home defense scenario), your cost would look more like this:
   Rifle Cabinet, non-quick access - $125
   HiPoint Carbine, again, hipoint not recommended, but the cheapest is MSRP of $315
   Admin fee, aka tax - $25
   Training Course, lets assume this concealed carry primer is comparable in scope/cost to what would be required by law? - $40
   Box of ammo - $20
   That nets us out to $520; $190 more than would be otherwise necessitated.
   
   
   Anyway, hopefully this was helpful. I want to say, I get that this comes from a perspective of someone who is staunchly pro-gun, but I would like to highlight that at least part of my journey of becoming pro-gun was because as I learned the technical, functional, and legal frameworks around firearms, I realized that much (90%) of the legislation being pushed would do little to impact gun violence, and actually importantly, suicide (raising awareness for mental health issues is one of the things I do when it comes to charity work).
   
   
   Happy to answer any further questions and/or continue the discussion; sorry again for the slow response-- as you can tell, lots to cover here :)

One thing that is worth considering for your husband is to carry a firearm while in the house. A comfortable OWB holster and a good belt places the loaded firearm in his direct control at all times. The other guns can then go into the safe.

If he's not inclined to do that for comfort reasons or just not wanting to carry in the house, there are numerous "quick access" vaults that can keep curious hands away without necessarily adding too much time for accessing the weapon. I would go for a mechanically actuated vault vs those electronic ones with buttons or fingerprint scanners. You don't want to be fumbling with electronics and sweaty fingers when time is of the essence.

Depending on the level of "readiness" that your husband wants to achieve, storing the firearms with loaded magazines but closed bolts/slides on empty chambers can add another layer of security/complexity towards discharging the firearms. Some may view it as a hindrance or something to forget in times of stress or injury, but it's worth considering all the options.

It's worth discussing with your husband the level of readiness he desires along with the element of risk that you both are willing to accept. Currently, it's pretty much grab-and-go from the closet. Does he move a gun closer to the bed when sleeping? If someone's trying to break in when everyone's around, is it a "honey go grab the gun" sort of situation? You already mentioned having to lock the bedroom door when family/friends are around. How does he feel about security when no one is home? While you live in a low crime neighborhood, most crimes happen during the day when most people are away. Also consider investing in upgraded/reinforced door frames, deadbolts, sliding doors, and windows. Those are elements that can buy you precious time in the hypothetical home intrusion to access the guns however they are stored.

Most importantly, make sure that you and your husband have a plan for such incidents. Make sure you know how to communicate with each other and have a plan for who goes where, does what, calls 911, etc. Might be worth stocking some basic first aid such as tourniquets and gauze as well.

Here are some mechanically actuated safes that seem to be relatively well-received:

Pistol shot-lock

AR-15 shot-lock


Here's an RFID vault

RFID Pistol

EDIT:
Here's some more mechanical vaults

Fort Knox


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Doesn’t really matter, these are pretty sweet and r/gun deals seems to love em

MTM AC4C Ammo Crate (4-Can) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MU6ZAPG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Gun goes in safe, holster goes somewhere else.

Fort knox makes some awesome pistol safes if those will work. if not you can replace the lock on this one: https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1467333014&sr=8-9&keywords=handgun+safe
with a really awesome lock and be set.

watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yr6ATdaDQ8

Best no nonsense storage is an ammo can. You can get them at a military surplus store for like $10.

Amazon has them a bit pricier but still good.

http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-50-Caliber-Ammo/dp/B000J4HXUC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1405489615&sr=8-3&keywords=Ammo+cans

They are airtight, designed by the military to keep ammunition and explosives moisture free.

The smelliest stash can be right under you and you'd never smell it. It has the upside of having way more room than a mason jar.

It's a 38/357, like this one! I can't take credit for the idea, I learned it from the lovely women here (: Larger ammo boxes for lipsticks! Why didn't I think of that!? What size may I ask?

They're not exactly pretty but I would recommend going to an army surplus store and picking up an ammo can. They're water and fireproof and you can usually find them in various sizes. Great for documents or just old valuable crap.

https://www.amazon.com/MTM-Round-Flip-Top-Ammo-Clear/dp/B000PW8CS0

I guess it isn't aesthetically pleasing, but it keeps them safe. It fits standard 1ml vials perfectly.

Plano customizable box for most of my tools and drip tips. Holds my ohm meter and wire as well.

For my juices I use a plastic ammo can. Nice, tight, dark, and big enough to hold a shitload of juice.

For the batteries I just use the double 18650 holders and label them. They stack pretty nice.

I've been a happy owner of a Gunvault for a while now. The particular model I linked has enough space for 2+ weapons and some other items, which is nice. The real reason I opted for this was the easy access (easily opened in under two seconds) and dual power supplies (110v and battery). You can also manually un/lock with the supplied keys.

For the price, I am happy with the purchase.

I just bought a Fort Knox Pistol Safe. It's still being shipped but it has great reviews and doesn't require batteries.

Also, it has holes so you can secure it to a wall.

Edit: Added more info

retail therapy! that is what I need, too!

Here are a few things I am wanting myself.

A campingknife from my camping list: here

OR this knife that has a fire starter (also on camping list): here

I need a firestarter for my camping kit badly, so the second one is not only cheaper but fulfills two purposes. But both knifes are pretty great.

OOOH or this ammo can

it is waaay lower than it was before and now only $7

Here you go. $100 shipped. Not too heavy but will keep honest people honest and them out of sight.

yeah I agree with you.

I have 2 safes installed. One is for crappier things, the other one is for my firearm.

This is the one installed for my firearm. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FYO3310

The metal is SIGNIFICANTLY better than my other safe, one which is commonly endorsed here: https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1468390083&sr=8-16&keywords=gun+safe

I upgraded the cable on both boxes, and I have it legitimately running through the chassis of my car (I cut out a piece of rug and soundproofing to reach my chassis).

The absolute best solution I have found is--I kid you not--bullet holders, like this one. A vial fits in it PERFECTLY and you can fit a ton in there. I even have an Excel spreadsheet keeping track of what is placed where in mine, color coded for what I've tried, what I want to get full sizes of, and what blends are rare... but I also have a bit of an organizing addiction.

Any deals or ideas for magnetic mounts? I saw a Facebook post, once, that showed big magnets you can mount under your dash so your gun could stick to it and be easily accessible. I know that not all states allow this, but I don't care, because I want it for my house. Something I could mount against the side of my dresser or something and have a gun in hand the instant I hear a bump in the night.
EDIT - I found this after a quick search. Looks good, but I'd have to add padding. Any better recommendations or pricing? https://www.amazon.com/Tac-Mag-Gun-Magnet-25-Rating/dp/B00LR454YU

Depends on largely on the size of the safe, obviously, but they're not as expensive as they sound. I recently bought my father one as a birthday gift and I seem to recall about a $125 handgun safe.

Edit: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00EXQW672/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487425964&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=biometric+gun+safe&dpPl=1&dpID=41Qx313%2Ba-L&ref=plSrch

I have this one and love it. You could put one flat piece of bubble wrap on the top of all the imps once they are in there, to provide a barrier between the tops of them and the top of the ammo case.

I think the safes with buttons right now are much more reliable than biometric safes. This safe pictured is a Gunvault Speedvault SVB500, which is known to sometimes have problems at times. However, there is a manual button version, the standard SV500 which is the vault I have next to my bed every day and is much cheaper.

It's not the most secure, but if you want to keep a bedside gun out of reach of kids or friends who don't know how to properly handle firearms, it works great.

It's very common for new shooters to hit low-left. There is a wonderful drill you can do to detect and solve this problem very easily.

Get a pack of these:

http://www.amazon.com/A-ZOOM-15116-Hunting-And-Shooting-Equipment/dp/B0002IKANW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457829953&sr=8-1&keywords=9mm+snap+cap

Have a friend load a few at random in a magazine filled with live rounds. They will feed normally and you won't know it's there until you press the trigger and hear a click instead of a bang.

Chances are, when that happens, you'll see the gun dip slightly down and to the left. Now you know what's wrong and you know how to fix it.

With the snap cap still in place, dry fire a few times, being careful not to let the sights move at all. Once you think you've got it, cycle the action to eject the snap cap, and try again. While you are being careful you'll be striking closer to the center of the target. If you remain careful, the next snap cap will reward you by showing that your sights haven't moved.

It's not uncommon for skilled shooters to balance a nickel across the front sight, and dry fire the gun without the nickel falling off. When you can do that consistently you'll be shooting very well.

I just got safe so far it's not bad. At the end of the day any safe can be broken into. It was a good price and it will keep my kids out lol

https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-QAP1BE-Biometric-Handgun-Capacity/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=gun+safe&qid=1569975877&sr=8-14

As a locksmith who'd dealt with numerous fingerprint reading systems, including those cheap Chinese ones on gun safes, I highly recommend something else. Service calls on devices with bad fingerprint readers outnumber service calls on similar devices with mechanical locks by 5 to 1, easy. I'd recommend something like a Gunvault electronic pushbutton, or a mechanical lock box based on the 5-button Simplex lock like this one. For a long gun safe, biometric is OK so long as there's a keypad override.

Basically, I wouldn't trust my life to one of those hinkey fingerprint readers.

I'm going to bolt one of these under my seat. Slide it out to access it, tuck it back under to keep it out of sight, and the tether prevents people from walking off with it. Someone else shared a similar option that was MUCH more expensive, but there are options like these in the $30-50 range in most sporting good stores.

http://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU

I think you've found what you're looking for then! These are the ones I buy:

http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Style-Pistols/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1333830268&sr=8-2

Perfect for just what you describe. Pretty similar to the one in the link you posted as well.

>A lot of people in my neighborhood had guard dogs but they are often neglected

That doesn't mean you have to neglect your dog.

>trips with me because it's too much of a pain in the ass to find somebody to take care of their pet.

I have two dogs, and having them is more valuable to me than going on trips all the time. I don't have chilrdren (yet), so to me they are my children and I love spending time with them. Having them has added to my life, whereas I look at what you said and it seems like having a dog would take away from it.

>As for guns, I feel much safer without

I can respect your opinion, but feeling safe and being safe and two different things. Even the fastest response time for a police department is still minutes and an altercation only takes seconds. I don't want a shoot out in my living room either, but to protect myself and my family i'd do it in a heartbeat.

> I'm kind of glad the guy got away

that makes you house a target for future burglaries. House burglars often come back, because most the of the time people will have all the items stolen replaced via insurance. I've known people who have had their homes broken into upwards of 8 times, a few times while they were home asleep.

>roommates samurai sword proved how weapons should not be in the house during huge parties

gun safe


I think i've poked enough holes in what you said. I'm not trying to be rude or a dick, I just don't like it when people don't feel the need to protect them selves. I look at my home defense gun like I do seat belts. I've been driving for almost 15 years now and I've only needed my seat belt once... but the one time I needed it, it saved my life.

I really like this one:

Sentry Safe Biometric Quick... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXQW672?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

The finger scan access has been reliable and the gas strut opening is ideal for where/how I use mine.

One thing you can do that helps a lot:

• Buy some snap caps
  
• Have a buddy load them randomly through your mag(s)
  
• Take nice, controlled shots at a paper target no more than 5 yards away
  
• When the snapcap shots come up, you will be surprised. Pay attention to what the gun/sights do when you are expecting a band, and don't have one
  
  This is the best way I've ever found with new shooters or new guns to figure out what is happening. If ou are flinching, jerking the trigger, etc.
  
  EDIT: Just realized that lexor said the same thing.

I got this one and am fairly happy with it.

Fort knox

It fits either my p220 or sp-01 perfectly with 4 magazines, or both guns set yin-yang without extra mags.

I'll definitely post the whole project sometime! I live in North Carolina, USA. What I did was buy one of these:

http://amzn.com/B000J4HXUC

I cut a square out of it and glued/caulked a 1/4" plexiglass pane over it, which I pointed the camera out of. I drilled a hole in the back just big enough to run a cut power cable through and wire the end back to it on the inside, glued and caulked it. It's definitely 100% weather-proof. The only problem I foresee is it getting too hot in the dark metal case. Time will tell when summer comes!

I wrote a python program to take a picture and store them on an SD card, and I'm still working on the code for it. It'll be a work in progress for a while improving it. I installed a Ras-Clock so if the power went out, it would still know when to pick up and take the next frame.

For the print server, I just use something called CUPS. I started here:

http://www.raspberry-pi-geek.com/Archive/2013/01/Converting-the-Raspberry-Pi-to-a-wireless-print-server

It's pretty simply to set up on the client end once you get it configured. All I need it to do is print, and that's what it does.

I understand the perspective. I also know that kids can get to places you think they can’t.

Maybe at 3 she can’t but eventually she will be able to ge there. Do not instill bad habits in yourself. Keep it locked up all the time. Practice getting into your vault.

Buy this

It has a simplex lock that is secure and can be opened by feel in the dark. You said it’s up high so this is the horizontal opening one. They also have a top opening one of you prefer. Heavy gauge metal and can be bolted down.

Please do not leave your fault unlocked with kids around. One day you will forget to lock it back up. One day your kid will be able to get to it. That will be before you think.

I was just saying you could do something like this. If you have power tools and some modding inclination it shouldn't be too bad, depending on how nice you want it to look. Amazon link to an ammo can, I'm sure you can get them cheaper elsewhere (surplus store if you have one nearby).

I have a Fort Knox pistol box. A bit pricey, yes. But it's thick steel and has a great simplex lock for quick access. No key to lose or battery that needs replacing. It has holes on the under side for secure mounting and room for several pistols. I have an apartment and currently only own pistols, so it's perfect if you don't need or can't afford a full-size gun safe.

Yeah I love the ruger 10/22.

Oh....safes.

Yeah, Barska makes a rifle model as well.

You'll get better.

I've found that on my striker-fired pistol (a Glock), I'm actually much more accurate and much less likely to flinch if I take quicker, more decisive trigger pulls. Slowly trying to squeeze off aimed shots I would be all over the place, but quicker follow-up shots I'd be much more accurate. Think I came to realize that being too slow with trigger pull I'd feel it budge and creep to right where it was about to break, and that'd telegraph "imminent shot" to my brain and I'd flinch. Taking a slightly quicker and more decisive pull made for a crisper, cleaner break and less movement.

I like the idea of randomly throwing in some snap caps in my magazines. Like take a few mags, load them and randomly throw a snap cap or two in each, and mix them up so you won't know if your next shot will be live or not. Should help in being able to tell what you're doing when the gun goes 'click' and you see where your front sight is pointed.

They're basically inert dummy rounds (usually plastic or lightweight metal with some polymer where the primer normally sits to absorb the impact of the firing pin). They have them for all the popular calibers. They're great for dry-fire practice too :)

Here are the ones I use in my 9mm: AMAZON LINK

I have a tall Gunvault. It's a bit flimsy, and could probably be opened with a small crowbar, but it seems secure enough for when I'm around. It's light enough that someone could just grab it and run, also.

The shelf is kinda silly, as it slides around and makes it tough to grab stuff on and below it. I took it out, and lean one pistol on each side.

The combination method works super fast, and I believe you can program a sequence that is up to 6 codes long, with 1-4 simultaneous presses in each code.

I have two young children in the house, who are definitely of the age to get in to things they shouldn't. I also own multiple firearms, including handguns.

They are all kept locked in one of two safes - one for the long guns and ammo, and a smaller one for the pistols that is beside the bed.

I am of the personal opinion that a long gun (shotgun or rifle) is better for home defense than a handgun, but that's just my opinion. You could do much worse than this.

If you live in or near [redacted] I'd be happy to take you and your wife shooting :)

Biometric locker super cheap $167,. I have this one for keeping guns away from the kids, there's an optional shelf you can add on also for a 2nd shelf for more ammo /pistol. Not fire proof or power tool/crow bar resistant

Barska Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe AX11652 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005FDIUPE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_7LA.zbPS3HMGS

Can anyone recommend a cheap firearm locker that doesn't have egregious QC problems, give you problems getting your carbine out to shoot an intruder, or can be pried open with a simple crobar?

I'm thinking about BARSKA Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe, but its really bugging me paying $300 for something that doesn't shoot. Small size is oddly desirable, in my circumstances. Any ragingly positive reviews on STACK-ON products?

I'm currently using a GunVault NanoVault 200
http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Lock-Black/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1457725789&sr=1-1&keywords=gunvault+nanovault

I'm eventually going to get something that bolts down to the frame but I got this on sale ($15 with free 2 day shipping) and with the cable lock down method, I can move it between my SUV and my wife's car at need. It easily fits under the seat of either vehicle. Sure it won't stop a thief with bolt cutters, or time and a way to break the lock, but it will deter the quick more common "smash the window and grab whatever's loose" type of thief.

Oh and one thing about this box. At first it kept sliding far back under the seat or would slide forward and bump my feet, if I decelerated too suddenly and strongly. So I took some velcro strips (the hook side) and put them on the bottom of the box. It gives enough friction that the box doesn't slide on it's own and little enough friction that I can grab the steel cable and pull it out from under the car seat at need if I can't reach the box itself.

I'm a big fan of this safe. Fast and pretty darn foolproof. http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-MV500-STD-Microvault-Pistol-Safe/dp/B000TG9RCC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1426823309&sr=8-4&keywords=pistol+safe+quick

It'd take a herculean effort to break into it.

This. Fort Knox has an awesome reputation as well.

I suggest the one that opens from the top, though. http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372266804&sr=8-1&keywords=fort+knox+pistol+box

Quick access pistol safe, sometimes available at Costco for less: https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672

Alternatively, loaded magazine next to the firearm (nothing chambered) would have prevented this particular case, but not others.

I'm a fan of making a Federal tax rebate for the purchase of a gun safe, but with no legal requirement to have one. I think today would be incentive enough to help reduce these types of events.

+1 for the Fort Knox. I have the top open pistol box http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8 and love it, its worth every penny.

Gun safe's are pretty darn cheap for basic models. Walmart has a 10-rifle safe for $99. It might not stand up to part (d) of the definition, but it's there. Amazon has a biometric rifle safe for $215 (and 2-day shipping) that gets decent reviews. These options aren't perfect, but they're a far sight better than keeping it in a travel bag in the closet, and don't add much burden.

Yes, but this one. They don't offer much security beyond what a locked glovebox does, but they're better than nothing. I have a tether for mine as well.

I think it's a waste of time. Buy a few GI ammo cans (can be found cheaper elsewhere), and store your ammo in them. Maybe put a desiccant in there, but it's probably not necessary. I line my cans with cardboard and just put the ammo in there.

The lids have a gasket that is air tight. That ammo will outlast you. Honestly, it would probably outlast you just sitting on your closet shelf in the box you bought it in, but this provides some extra protection and allows you to more easily transport your ammo.

> post office / federal buildings

Be careful, the parking lot is considered federal land too.

>Seriously people they are like $20 to protect against smash and grabs.

That's probably not going to stop anyone, unfortunately. :/ When I was looking at small quick access lock boxes the best I could find was Fort Knox's pistol box. I know you said smash and grab, so I think anything that box would guard against is probably accomplished just by hiding your gun. IE: Take off that NRA sticker and stop wearing that ask me about my glock t-shirt. :)

Good advice so far. If it's lightly oiled in a climate controlled environment you shouldn't have much trouble keeping rust away.

And to add to the security point, you should seriously consider locking the gun up. Remember crooks love guns, and I would be sick to my stomach if one managed to get a hold of mine. You don't need to invest in a 2 ton safe for one shotgun, but a cheap steel cabinet like this one, bolted to the wall/floor, should at least deter a smash and grabber.

http://www.amazon.com/Stack-On-GCB-8RTA-Security-Assemble-Storage/dp/B004EYTD4W/ref=sr_1_7?s=hunting-fishing&ie=UTF8&qid=1394899032&sr=1-7&keywords=corner+gun+safe

The fingerprint scanner on a $700 iphone is meh and you want to trust that technology on a $180 quick access safe containing the tool that can save your life?

As a carry, sure.

If it's beside your bed in a nightstand or something like that, I'm a big fan of biometric, quick access safes. Lots of them are very quiet and will still provide you with quick access to what you need.

ex. http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Quick-Access-Pistol/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_1

Invest in a safe even one as simpke as this will keep children friends and family who shouldn't be handling tue gun safe.

yeah even with both of those you are just putting all of your money in a handy container, one even has a handle to nick it and run away while holding. If the idea is to keep the notes out of sight, it would work.

I was thinking something more like this. Lets you loop the cable around the seat frame so it would be a bit harder to get away.

Though the prices for it on UK amazon are pretty crazy high.

Yep. I've got the smaller version of this one (It opens from the front rather than the top) and it's outstanding. I cannot recommend it enough. $199 shipped from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PN-Personal-Handgun/dp/B0075QMCNK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1406919339&sr=8-2&keywords=Fort+Knox+pistol+safe

I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672

It might be a little on the small side for all the items you've listed, but I've been really happy with the performance of it. My local Costco has them on sale right now for $99, so I just picked up a second.

Don't use plastic ones, you don't want to shoot 200 rounds, get a plastic snap cap in there and then have it melt.

A-Zoom snap caps are pretty good

I don't own one, but apparently the Fort Knox ones are amazing. They're pricey and large, but it all depends on your ultimate goal.

• Are you wanting quick access?
  
• Do you just need to deter a child? Or a thief?
  
• How much room do you have?
  
• Where are you planning on placing/mounting it?
  
• What's your budget?
  
  We can give you better recommendations when we know the answers to these questions.

Training that out should be your first priority. Here's a good drill that can at least help you be aware of how much you're doing it: get some snap caps and bring them to the range. Have a friend randomly load a few mixed with live ammo in your magazine without your knowledge. Then, proceed to shoot as normal. You won't know whether you're getting live ammo or dummies and you'll notice your flinch when you expect a live round and get a dummy.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00384755S/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_rxiryb31SPC9D

Here is a link to the item on Amazon . Nice cable that wraps around seat anchor. You may have to get creative.

I use one of these. The fingerprint scanner works great, only takes a second to open. Accepts both mine and my wifes.

http://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453998706&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=biometric+gun+sfafe

The fort [knox] (https://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-Personal-Pistol-Safe/dp/B0075QMCNK/ref=pd_sim_200_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0075QMCNK&pd_rd_r=Z5TT4C8B28NQ5P2B2BR3&pd_rd_w=TyI32&pd_rd_wg=ghM7u&psc=1&refRID=Z5TT4C8B28NQ5P2B2BR3) pistol boxes are pretty good as far as these go. Bolt them to the floor though!

SnapSafe Lockbox with Key Lock for Handgun Storage of Full Size Pistols https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_lN-6ybVBA54MA

This is the one I have. Many people have upgraded the cable and I recommend doing it. It's not 100% secure but I feel more comfortable leaving my extra mags in it and sometimes my firearm.

I own one of these. With the cable, you can secure it under one of the front seats.
I also like it for air travel, because the cable can secure to the suit case's frame (where the handle is internally), which makes it a lot harder for the TSA to "misplace" it.

I am as progun as they come. I keep my firearms in a heavy safe, with one home defense pistol in a separate smaller quick-access safe near the bed.

If there is even a small chance a kid will wander around your home, FUCKING LOCK THAT SHIT UP. It's really not that hard. Especially if you just have a pistol, small safes or lockboxes can be had for under $50. If even that is too much, cable locks are like $5. No excuses. Stop making us all look bad.

Thankfully, accidental gun deaths are now under 500 a year, even though we have at least 100 million gun owners. It's a shrinking problem. But let's get it as close to 0 as possible. Each one is a tragedy.

EDIT -

Here is one for $20. It will fit a pistol or two. It obviously won't stop a determined adult with a bit of time, but will at least keep curious toddlers at bay. Buy a better, heavier safe if you can.

https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Portable-Handgun-Approved-Measures/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=zg_bs_4200861_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=23XCR2N0RKDJD1888CGV

You all know they make small pistol safes that bolt to the inside of your dresser or drawer, right? You can keep a full size pistol, loaded, right beside you and nobody’s getting into it without the right keypad combo or a pry bar that’s too heavy for a child to wield.

Edit: for those that asked, this what I’ve had for the past 6 years. I like the double height to keep a full size pistol and small compact version together, plus room for ammunition. I’m sure the other gun vault models work just as fine as well.

GunVault GV2000C-DLX Multi Vault Deluxe Gun Safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O8VUR0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_KJH5CbCEG8ZYJ

Finger print safe $250 easy to mount to a wall and easy to patch after you move. Won't stop someone with a crowbar.

Something like this?. It's easily hidden, It has a cable that can be used to keep the safe from being stolen, and it's quickly opened.

Edit: Also consider sticking these on your windows. They're cheaper than a full security system and will give you needed time if you are asleep and something is opened.

I have two young kids and keep my handguns in Gun Vault handgun safes. Pretty simple safes, not too expensive.
My wife has her gun in hers, and i have my EDC/ home defense gun in mine. They are small and fit perfectly in my night stand drawer.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1418241706&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

I have a Gunvault SV2000 for my 3 pistols. Works great, decent size, 9v battery. Worth the money.

https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1501611999&sr=8-6&keywords=GunVault+SV500

Hello friends, here’s a better deal on a similar product:
https://www.amazon.com/MTM-AC4C-Ammo-Crate-4-Can/dp/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=39CUD0NV6Q46K&keywords=mtm%2Bammo%2Bcrate&qid=1551214538&s=sporting-goods&sprefix=mtm%2Csporting%2C203&sr=1-1&th=1&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004EHY9RA

I think this is the storage box I got a while ago. It fits everything from all expansions (except manuals, but I have those on pdfs on my phone anyway). You just need to remove a few of the bins so the frame pieces fit inside as well.

I don't know if this is helpful in any way, but I have the GunVault MultiVault (http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A), same brand, but a little bit bigger, and I use it at the very least twice a day, and it has never failed on me. I pull my gun out in the morning on my way to work, and then put it away when I get home, and have been doing that every single day for the last 2 years, same batteries as when I bought the unit even.
There are days where it's opened multiple times (gun range visit, wife practicing because she doesn't use it often, etc.) and it has not once let me down.

Hopefully that helps in some way.

https://www.amazon.com/Sentry-Biometric-Access-Pistol-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672

Granted this can only hold one or two, I have this biometric pistol safe. It is amazing. I was skeptical about fingerprint access at first but wanted to try it for its accessibility. I have had it for 6 months now and it works flawlessly being used at least twice a day. You would think it would be finicky to get it to read but I have tested swiping my finger just short of as fast as I can and it registers everytime. There's also key pad and key backups. If you want to know anymore, let me know.

I use a pistol safe, such as these:

Different mounting options can secure into the wall.


https://www.amazon.com/GunVault-SV500-SpeedVault-Handgun-Safe/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1478120253&sr=8-3&keywords=pistol+safe

https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1478120253&sr=8-10&keywords=pistol+safe

You don't know much at all about gun safes, do you? Hell no I'm not leaving my gun around where my kids can get it. But, you're right. I do need to access it very quickly.

Here's what any respecting home protector will use. You see, I (AND ONLY I) can access it almost as quickly as if it were just lying around. But, you see. Only I can access it.

It's clear you don't like guns, but I urge you to go take a handgun safety class. You'll really get a lot out of it, and it might demystify some aspects of gun safety for you. Gun safety is not only practiced when guns are in the room or in the hand. Gun safety matters from the time you buy the gun to the time you get rid of it. I'm not even suggesting buying one, nor am I trying to convert you. You just seem really misinformed.

There's ways around all alarm systems and doors. If they want in they'll get in. And there's tons of safes that are mounted under desks, on head boards, or easy and quick to grab places that you can open very quickly with finger print activation or a quick access code.

Gunvault SpeedVault SVB500 gun safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_UGHGzbEGK3PGJ

GunVault SV500 - SpeedVault Handgun Safe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGNLKA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_NHHGzbHA4NCMS

Excellent suggestion. This button operated Microvault can be had on Amazon for under $100.

There are lots of ways.. safe with a pin code, Biometric safe, or even something like this.

I have a biometric safe. tap a button on the side and it spring opens instantly. It has a code and a physical key backup. Paid $100 for it.

Looks like it went up to $150 though.
https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Pistol-Biometric-Capacity-QAP1BE/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1527307679&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=biometric+gun+safe

It's only $155.95 on Amazon, but Gunvault has it for $444.99. That's cheap it if can get such a huge discount on Amazon. Cheap materials with a circuit board made in China.

https://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SVB500-Speedvault-Biometric-Black/dp/B006OGOHD0

I think this is a better solution. Mount it under your bed. If the boogeyman comes in the night, reach down, key in the code with your fingertips, and the door springs open, releasing Mr. Sig and Mr. Sauer to go to work.

I use one of these. It has 12 cups, each which holds one of my decks.

Here's one cup all filled up, and here's what all goes into each one.

It's not technically the most efficient thing, but I rather like it even so.

This one does. It fits an XDs perfectly.

https://amzn.com/B00FATWGSU

You need dis . Buddy has one and swears by it. For super secret undercover reasons.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EHY9RA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

great for sleeved edh decks

I have one of these http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8 and I highly recommend it, easily holds 2 full size pistols with room for more (has 2 layers of foam). My brother has one of those $100.00 boxes and 2 kids, it feels like cheap Chinese junk compared to the fort knox, and I worry about his kids getting into it all the time.

There have been a couple of recommendations for tasers or stun guns, and I have to completely disagree with using any implement that requires you to get in close to your attacker to use. Unless you're a 6 ft plus amazon power lifter, you do NOT want to attempt to use these. You want to engage at a distance. If it's a man that enters your apartment and you confront him with one of these items, the chances that he will overpower you and use them on you is significant.

Just ask yourself, would you get into a fist fight with an intruder? No? Then don't try to use anything that requires this.

Based off your responses to firearms, mace or an equivalent might be a good option. You can always call the non-emergency line and ask to talk to a police officer. explain the situation and ask about the legality of mace or another chemical deterrent. If it's legal, ask him/her if they have a recommendation.

If you do consider a firearm, take classes on its use. There are usually resources available to women for just this scenario. Also, you don't necessarily need to buy a safe bolted to the floor. There are pistol safes that slide underneath the bed or in the closet that use biometric (finger print readers) to unlock the safe. Here's an example of one on Amazon

The interior dimensions of this $5 lockable plastic ammo box will easily fit your supplies:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004W3WC84/

I dont have kids so I dont worry about it, but maybe look into a small gun safe/case.

My friend has this one for his handgun in his truck, works well and you can cut foam to fit what you have.

http://www.amazon.com/GunVault-NV200-NanoVault-Style-Pistols/dp/B00384755S/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1373395885&sr=1-5&keywords=gun+safe

The advantage of using a gun case would be most either have a lock or can be locked where as most fishing tackle boxes do not.

LEO, with SWAT gear:

Bolt a vault or safe through the floor for firearms. There are some small gun safes that have a tiny footprint. Our local farm supply has some band name vaults at reasonable prices... similar to one of these.

Barska Quick Access Biometric Rifle Safe AX11652

Duffels and gear bags, we stage them at the back barn doors and run a ratchet strap through the handles, so they don’t slide upon sharp braking.

That's fair enough. Also, I'm probably thinking more of the magnetic storage mounts people put under tables and stuff. Something like this.

Hornady's Rapid Safe pops opens by waving a bracelet embedded with an RFID over a sensor. Note: I do not own this safe, so I can't vouch for it.

PROS: it takes less fine motor skills to wave a bracelet over a sensor than it does to punch a keypad.

CONS: it's expensive and still requires battery power, although it has back up methods of entry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5MxGNGekLk

http://www.amazon.com/Hornady-Security-Rapid-Safe-Black/dp/B00I8FQ43G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406579139&sr=8-1&keywords=hornady+rapid+safe

Had one of these when we went camping. The thing took a beating, never leaked, and it had more room in it than we knew what to do with it.

If you're looking for a more family friendly version, this will probably do just fine as well.

To add to this, you can buy dummy rounds (typically red or a different color than brass). You can use these to safely practice loading, cocking, reloading, etc... They are also good for dry fire exercises.

http://www.amazon.com/-Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Caps/dp/B0002IKANW/ is an example.

As long as the gun is stored safely, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. I have my handgun stored in a safe next to the bed and it can only be opened with the RFID bracelet that is around my wrist.

For anyone curious....here is my safe.

Yes, I have a specific TSA-approved case design. The case is rigid steel. Not this exact brand, but fairly close in design:

https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1487372337&sr=1-3&keywords=tsa+gun+case


Edit: To expound, I take the magazine out of the pistol and place it inside the safe with the firearm. Ammunition is kept in the manufacturer's case inside the suitcase, not the safe.

SentrySafe QAP1BE Gun Safe with Biometric Lock One Handgun Capacity https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EXQW672/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Of-RDbWYFSHT0

I have a VP9 (your gun's prettier sister lol), and here's what I use.

Well, you can get a locker fairly cheap as well as desiccant to keep things dry.

Where in the East Bay? We're damn near neighbors.

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The P226 is an excellent pistol, one of my personal favorites. However, the 9mm round is a bit on the hot side so you should use specialty rounds, e.g. hallow point, with less penetration. My home defense pistol is an H&K shooting .45 ACP.

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I suggest you also look into a quick open lock box. Something that you can open quickly but is still secure. I have one similar to this, https://smile.amazon.com/Gunvault-SVB500-Speedvault-Biometric-Black/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=biometric+gun+safe&qid=1559011515&s=gateway&sr=8-10, but you have to remember to change the battery every few months.

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I have no opinion of police surplus guns as I've never even looked at them.

I use this safe locked in my trunk. It's not perfect, but it should be good enough for what you are looking for. https://www.amazon.com/SnapSafe-Lockbox-Handgun-Storage-Pistols/dp/B00FATWGSU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1475165086&sr=8-6&keywords=car+safe

I should mention, I actually have the two gun version of that safe. If you think you may buy a second firearm at some point, or want to stash a few valuables in there, the two-gun version might be a better option. It not that much larger floor-space-wise, but is a bit taller.

This one.

I can't say it's everything I ever dreamed of but it's worked fine for me going on three years. Admittedly I don't get into it often but hey. I keep a P220 and a 92F in there...bit tight for those two but it works fine, and has room for a roll of cash besides.

Yeah, these safes are shit. /u/ManyInterests is absolutely correct. These are the same safes than can be opened with just a big magnet and a sock, and leave zero evidence of it's security being compromised (or just a magnet if you don't care about leaving marks).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBhfnIu9lTw

The safe in the OP can be opened in about 5 seconds with a cable tie. Couldn't get the link for the source video, but go to about the 2nd Amazon review down on the 1-star page and the video is there.

Yep, those are good to have! I stick my battery in the bag when charging and I also store them in the bag and the bag goes in an ammo can. I don't know if you have read this yet, but if you charge your battery to full, and you are not going to use them for a couple days, make use to use the "battery store" on the B6, it discharges the battery to a safe voltage to be stored. They shouldn't be stored at full charge for more then a couple of days.

Also, look into getting one of these. It lets you check each cells voltage. Sometimes the charger can screw up, so this is a cheap doulbe check to make sure the batteries are balanced. It also doubles as a warning buzzer for your quad. When you are flying, it will start to buzz when your battery gets down to a certain voltage so you do not discharge the battery too much, which also causes damage.

So this is a Smith and Wesson Model 27, made in 1960 (per the serial number), .357 Magnum (also .38 special). I received it as a gift and it is my first gun ever! Super stoked to own it now, and I'll probably join the prolonged slide of gun ownership that I see in this sub time to time. My next purchase is likely a smaller concealed carry weapon.

The giant ammo tin is vintage, I'm guessing vietnam era, but no idea, I could be full of shit. It's stacked with hundreds of .357 FMJs. 1 box of .357 hollow points, and 2 boxes of Shotshell snake charmers.

I'm pleased as punch with this gun. I've just purchased a bunch of accessories on amazon, I'll post them below, maybe you can tell me if these are good products or not for range shooting. (No referral links or any of that bs)

Plano Protector 4 pistol case

MTM 38/357 Cal 100 Round Flip-Top Ammo Box

Remington T-72 Shooting Glasses

3M Peltor Combat Arms Earplugs

Hoppe's Universal Gun Cleaning Accessory Kit

https://www.amazon.com/Stack-GCB-8RTA-Security-Assemble-Storage/dp/B004EYTD4W/

easier than building your own box. Check the length of your guns, though, 52" is kinda short for a shotgun and you may want a slightly larger model.

You can buy snap caps to practice with as well: https://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Pack/dp/B0002IKANW

This way you can safely practice racking the gun and clearing malfunctions.


Oh, and don't forget the 4 universal rules of gun safety!

1. The gun is always loaded.
   
   
2. Always keep gun pointed in a safe direction.
   
   
3. Keep finger off trigger until ready to fire.
   
   
4. Know your target and what's behind it.

no such thing as a standard glove compartment, but yes there are small vaults What are the dimensions of your glove compartment, you could probably MacGyver something up

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000TG9RCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1396101020&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40

This is what my wife and I both have. We really like them. We bought ours at Cabela's but they're cheaper in Amazon.

I am interested in this as well.

I purchased a GunVault GS 2000 a few years ago and it worked great, right up until it didn't. Apparently there's some kind of known problem with the internal mechanism? Anyway, it can only be opened with a key now, and GunVault has failed to return a number of emails to find out if it's repairable. I'm hesitant to buy from them again given all this, but I do like the style and usability...

I had one of these bolted to my closet's upper shelf for a long time. Easy to get at and open, it's a finger press combo not fingerprint, has key backup:
http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV2000S-Multi-Vault-Standard/dp/B001XZZA6A/ref=pd_sim_hi_5

Key only: GunVault Nanovault 200 Nano Pistol Safe NV200 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00384755S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_LjpRBbCZ5WRDK

Fort Knox makes a nicer looking one for the same price.

http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_1AmlDb242B334

It was a flash sale. tis over now:( I’m sorry, friend.

I keep all of my rifles and guns in my big safe in my walk-in closet. I keep my G23 in a Gunvault Speedvault SVB500 attached to the side of my nightstand.

Snap caps and 50 rounds of .22lr?

Here's the caps:

http://www.amazon.com/A-Zoom-Luger-Precision-Snap-Caps/dp/B0002IKANW

On second thought you could get a nice little Kershaw knife for $20..

I have something like this. The cable locks inside the box and loops around something bolted down like the actual car seat. No drilling necessary.

This. I have had one in my car and its very sturdy, i would recommend getting the improved cable with it.

I just got this.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01MU6ZAPG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

MTM's stuff is pretty good. Locks on both corners (if needed). Those ones I got are 30 cal ones (I can get 100 rounds of 12ga shotgun in them). I've also got 2 of their 50 cal ones.

I have one of the sheffield ones you linked to, but it doesn't stack well with the MTM ones.

Lots of people have something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006OGOHD0

Not sure if it's the best price around but here's some stuff I've found:

Hoppes #9

SWFA scope, full price though

100 round ammo boxes

shooting steel

tripod target

Harris Bipod

bore snakes

and knives of course

I use one of these. Once you get used to it, you can easily open it in the dark. There are various sizes.

It can be yours for $129.99

You could use it to store your birth certificate/passport/Social Security card or whatever too.

IMO, forget the biometric safe since they rely on and external power source (or batteries), and also require the biometric reader mechanisms to function. I like to compare them to the biometric guns that were user specific and were a resounding failure when tried a years ago.

I like the simplex gun boxes much better. They require no power and are purely mechanical, and the simplex mechanism has been around for many years. Also you set the combination yourself. An example: http://www.amazon.com/Fort-Knox-FTK-PB-Pistol-Handgun/dp/B004H6MKI8
This particular example is one of the more costly, but it has a pneumatic piston that throws the top open once the combination has been entered.