Reddit mentions: The best internal frame hiking backpacks

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Next thing on the survival menu: make sure you have enough cash and convert it to Canadian before you leave. I normally suggest you bring about $150 - $200 depending on how early you plan on getting in. The cash machine can run out and I don't know how well it works with American bank accounts. ( $50/day early iirc ) Food also can get expensive.. Be ready for that

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There are a few places you can get food along the way, Kelwona is good, Castlegar is great ( No frills sells cheap food.. vegis can be meh, but for dirt cheap thats where I hit up ) Nelson is out of the way but has a "membership free bulk store" called Wholesale club.. It works but might be too large for one person

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Canadian tire will sell cheap coolers ( styrofoam etc ) so you can pick that up drop some ice in and go. Personally i hate suggesting styrofoam but you do what you need to.

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To pack your bag to save the maximum space, ROLL your clothes then push them into ziplock freezer bags. you can easily fit 2 - 3x the amount into a bag, depending on the size of your backpack and how long you will be there it can make it much easier to fit everything. Also bring a bathing suit in a spare bag. Toss it into the bag before tossing it into your backpack as you leave so it won't stink up everything.

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For clothing, shorts and tshirts work great, Lots of people love to dress up with costumes.. Now, it does get a bit chilly at night if you are not at the stages. A pair of pants and a hoodie is a good idea, ALSO KNOW, there is always a chance it could rain. so be ready for that. Normally it doesn't last long but you could get wet.

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( I will link my basic hiking setup at the bottom, I've collected this stuff over years but I can make it about 5-7 days with this, obviously you don't need everything but thats what I take hiking )

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Make sure to bring a GOOD pair of shoes for walking. When it gets dark, the paths become.. Sketchy. during the day sandals works but I always perfered my walking shoes. Water shoes are also AMAZING. The river is rockey.. Well.. only rocks.. So having something you can walk though it is super nice. You can do it bare foot and I have many times but its not always the most comfortable of things.

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1. Get a good backpack, On the cheaper side, get a Amazon Basics Note, 75lr could put you over the 50lb mark at the airport so be prepared for that -- SIDE NOTE. Ask the person at the flight desk for a bag to put your backpack into and tape it up. Makes flying 9000x better with a backpack because it won't get caught
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06Y5M3D4P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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2. get a hiking sleeping bag aka, very light weight and compact.
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00TZRPQFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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3. Camping Chair
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/NiceC-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Festival/dp/B07F1Z4W6T/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=camping+chair&qid=1562387249&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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4. water pack
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Camelbak-1122001900-Hydration-Backpacks-HydroBak/dp/B01L8JENFO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=camelback&qid=1562387280&s=sports&sr=1-3
   
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5. stove kit **MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND CAN GET TANKS THAT FIT**
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/TOMSHOO-Cookware-Piezoelectric-Ignition-Backpacking/dp/B01JLMM0YG/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=hiking+stove&qid=1562387297&s=sports&sr=1-4
   
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6. Foamy ( foams are lighter than inflatables every lb counts )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Mountain-Warehouse-Roll-Mat-Lightweight/dp/B00FB6D06Y/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=camp+foam&qid=1562387485&s=sports&sr=1-9
   
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7. hiking pillow ( takes up 1/10th the space )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Sports-ComfortLite-Self-Inflating-Comfortably-Backpacking/dp/B009L1MF7A/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=hiking+pillow&qid=1562387513&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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8. hiking towels
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/BOGI-Microfiber-Travel-Sports-Compact/dp/B077VK4TDW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=camp+towels&qid=1562387529&s=sports&sr=1-2
   
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9. SUNSCREEN!!! Very important unless you enjoy being a lobster. The sun is VERY STRONG out in the valley the first year I went, I watched a guy go from well tanned construction worker to lobster to a walking talking blister. Not fun
   
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10. dollar store tarps and rope ( probably $10 combined so don't feel bad trashing them after )
    
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11. FLASHLIGHT, The roots are killer at night.. I swear, the trees are alive and will try and trip you
    
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12. eating utensils.. I got a kit from the dollar store for $10 then just eat out of my pots.
    
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13. TENT: I got a greer top hiking tent.. Its gone from amazon.. a 2man tent is your best bet get it as light as possible.

Hello, It's great that you're looking to get your son set up with some great gear.
I don't know anything about that pack but I'd like to give you some options that I am familiar with.

Budget options-
Teton Sports Explorer I have been out backpacking several times with a friend using this pack and it is an excellent value. It has enough room for a trip to Philmont and is comfortable to wear/ does a decent job placing the weight on the hips. This is what we really want out of a backpacking backpack is to use the frame to place the weight of the pack on the hips and not the shoulders.

The more expensive bags will be lighter and more comfortable. Osprey is probably the most recommended bag right now and for good reason. If you head over to r/appalachiantrail you'll see a ton of them. This Osprey Atmos would be excellent for a scout.

Other major brands that make good products are Kelty, REI Co-op, and Gregory all make good bags. You can also check out the bags sold at the official Boy Scout online store Scoutshop.org. I would recommend a bag in the size neighborhood of 65L for the kind of camping scouts usually do.

I hope he has a great experience.

agreed. dont skimp on your sleeping pad and sleeping bag. i have only been backpacking for around 4 years, and can say dont be in a rush to buy all new gear at once (other than the fact that you might have to because you simply dont have any gear yet).

my first year i bought a nice 65L pack (teton sports mountain adventurer 4000). i have friends with Ospreys and Gregory packs and others that are more expensive but i have been VERY impressed with the weight, price, and durability of Teton gear. the quintessential backpack most well known i think is the Osprey Atmos 65 AG. but its going to cost about $100 more than the Teton.

my second year i had learned my lesson and upgraded my sleeping pad and sleeping bag. i got a Sierra Designs Zissou 20 degree down bag and a Big Agnes Insulated Air Core sleeping pad. the difference i experienced that year was night and day having quality sleeping gear.

my third year i learned what clothing i did/didnt need, and how important a quality water filter is. i had been using the Sawyer mini but it just wasnt cutting it (look up vidoes of how big a pain it is to fill the little squeeze bag in shallow water). i invested in an MSR MiniWorks EX and am so glad i did. that thing is a beast and despite having to clean it in the field maybe more often than some other filters, i know that it is getting all the crap out of my water so it is worth it to me.

this year im investing in a better cook kit, etc. you get the picture

the key for me has been that i always hike with two other friends of mine. they have gear that i dont have and vice versa. so i dont need to run out and buy everything all at once. i would encourage you to find some people you can go with and share gear with. that way you can hear what other people like/dont like and try stuff out yourself. my buddy bought a Kelty 1-person tent that is super light weight and bragged all about it. when i saw him set it up i understood why it was so light...its the smallest tent i have ever seen. and that works for him. but for me i always carry a two person tent because i like the extra room. i have a Kelty Salida 2 person tent which weighs about 4.5 lbs and is awesome. had i not seen his 1-person tent i might have been tempted to get that based on weight.

either way, walmart and amazon are fine for a lot of things (cook pots, spoons, mugs, headlamps, long johns, socks, gloves, hats, knives, first aid kits, etc). but when it comes to the essentials (sleeping, main layers in cold weather like a down coat or good rain gear, boots, stoves, packs) you need to realize its an investment not an expenditure. buy nice, or buy twice, as they say.

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happy camping!

First off; congrats on landing what is essentially my dream job.

Those Dueter packs that mightycarrot suggested are absolutely amazing. Though I never owned one myself, my late friend swore up and down by them and I can vouch just from the trips we took together. However, if you're looking for more of a budget pack, the Teton 4000 has been my best friend after I replaced an old Osprey pack. I've had it last two years and haven't had one glaring issue with it and it is still as sturdy as the day I bought it.

http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00167TGII/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1367568364&sr=8-1&keywords=teton+backpack

All I can say about specialized gear is learn the area and take all the advice you can from veterans who are familiar with it. Season, terrain, water/food availability, fire restrictions etc. will determine much of your gear.

There are, however, five things that you ALWAYS should have on you when trekking into a wilderness area:

-A solid fixed blade knife, preferably full tang (Don't skimp here, a good $60+ survival blade is invaluable when your life depends on it)
-Some type of steel container cup (no plastic, needs to be able to withstand a fire)
-A fair amount of cordage (100ft+).. tar covered bank line or paracord preferably as they are the most durable and multipurpose
-A decent sized ferro rod and the skills to use it (not always "sure-fire" but will still work when wet and will outlast dozens of bic lighters)
-A small first aid kit

These five items should NEVER leave your pack no matter where you go. Even if you start venturing into the ultra-light community, these five are extremely hard to make or find in nature. They will save your life if things don't end up as planned. They also will only add 3 -4 lbs maximum to your load and you will never wish you didn't bring them along.

Sometimes, I feel like people within the backpacking community can get too comfortable with their abilities and their frequented areas and skimp on gear in favor of less weight. Never opt out of essential gear and always stay up to date on the skills necessary to use them.

Combined with a pack that fits you well, appropriate attire, good physical fitness and the company of an experienced companion, I'm sure you'll catch on very quickly.

Stay safe and best of luck, friend.

I don't have any experience with LL Bean gear, but I don't see anything wrong with the those items.

When I started I intentionally bought cheap gear knowing it wasn't going to be as light or as durable as a backpacker would ideally want. I figured I might as well try some basics out before I committed to spending money on high quality gear.

The pack you list looks pretty small - only 2400-ish cubic inches. That could be a tight fit. I started out with this guy. Its an ok but certainly not "good" pack. Its not super durable or super comfortable, but it was inexpensive and it got me through my first 3 trips until I decided I liked backpacking. After that third trip I went to an REI and got help trying on lots of different packs before laying down a good chunk of cash on my Gregory.

I still use this tent. Although a couple pounds heavier than the one you list its worked out well for me and its less than half the price.

You'll also need some other gear to do overnights. REI has a good list here. Highlights include hydration (something to carry water and a water filter / pump / tablets / whatever), food storage, headlamp / lighting, etc.

Do you live anywhere near an REI? Along with having great staff to chat with about what might want to buy they occasionally have "garage sales" where they have returned / used items at crazy discounts.

Thanks for the tag dude. New username so I didn't immediately catch it.

/u/khovs thanks for bringing this up. I've looked at this pack a few times and I could not imagine it to be a good bag for beginners, and I haven't read strong positive reviews that squelch my concerns. That's why I haven't placed it on the list. That said, if it is a genuinely good pack, then I'd like to see a good comprehensive review with some photos of seams, framesheet, materials, etc. Cause the price is certainly right.

As an example, I own a very similar pack, the REI Flash knockoff, which is claimed to be 30L (it's not), is $30, and appears to be made of similar materials to this pack. The difference being that the knockoff flash has a framesheet... and it even struggles to comfortably carry total pack weights above 15-20lbs with that (thats not to say other frameless packs can't... it's just not a great design). I have taken that pack off the list as I am not totally sure I'd be comfortable using it myself for anything except a 1 nighter. Further, I am really wary of recommending a completely self stowable nylon pack to beginners. Stowable packs are usually far inferior when it comes to all day comfort and support. And I wouldn't expect much for $18.99 w/Amazon prime. I'm also fairly doubtful it's actually 40L... some of the amazon reviews confirm this suspicion.

Lastly, many of the non 5 star Amazon reviews mention it to be of poor construction and uncomfortable for extended use. It seems the majority of the 5 star reviewers are using it as day packs for short hikes or using it as a general purpose bag, which differs greatly from our use case. None of the reviews I see on amazon mention using it for backpacking in any sense.

Maybe I'm wrong, but these are my concerns. It would be irresponsible for me to recommend a pack like that just to make the list work, because I feel it would ultimately drive people away from the sport. This is why we need a good comprehensive review.

The Alternatives list has a pretty good Ali express pack that seems to hold up well as it was positively reviewed by a couple ultralighters on this subreddit. The photos and personal tips from that review provided a lot of good info that made people comfortable with that pack.

While the Klymit motion pack lasted a year a half at around $60, it seems for the past month or two it's been hovering closer to $100... so until another competing pack comes out, I'd recommend that Ali one. It's a pity because that klymit is a great pack (hint hint klymit if you're reading)

Pack mfgs listen up! We need a budget 35-40L pack at around 30-40oz - for no more than $80!

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For the record, this is the pack I have been most keen on adding to the list - but I am still very wary. If anyone wants to try it, please report back.

[This is the pack I just got from amazon recently] (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Escape-Ultralight-Internal-Backpack/dp/B006JYHI24/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345071118&sr=8-2&keywords=Teton+ultralight). Its made by Teton sports, which I had never heard of but has good reviews. Honestly the material is the same as a $200 plus pack just without the frills. Zippers are nice and strong and the stitching looks quality.

I packed about 45lbs into it to test when I got it. I'm heading out for a week in the mountains on Friday. Its fully adjustable and has removable aluminum stays that you can shape to your back to get the best comfort and weight distribution which is awesome. It takes a bit of trial and error with the shoulder straps to get the distribution right but I got it to where it felt really nice and did a mile out and back with no pain.

Its just over $100 bucks so its in your range and qualifies for free shipping from amazon. But honestly if its just one day I think you could get something smaller and cheaper.

[Maybe this one] (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Summit-Ultralight-Internal-Backpack/dp/B006JYHH34/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1345072392&sr=8-4&keywords=Teton+ultralight) which is half the size and considerably cheaper

EDIT: Also in the past I have found really nice packs for cheap on craigslist. You can almost always find a nice REI or north face pack in good shape around your price range. Another option at least

I just wrote this for kids in our Scout troop; feel free to use whatever you see fit:

If the new Scouts are going to be buying a pack to take on practice hikes for the West Point Camporee or the Acadia trip, maybe they could use some advice before they hit the store.

Some folks may think “Buy once, cry once” and that’s fine. REI makes good stuff, plus the premium brands like Osprey are available in sizes to fit even little guys.

Other families may want to spend less: your Scout might be headed for a growth spurt, or might be hard on their stuff, or might not be guaranteed to stay in Scouts for ever. In that case, there are some less-expensive ways to buy a pack.

WHERE TO BUY

Discount sporting goods companies include Campmor, Sierra Trading Post, Moosejaw, and REI’s own outlet (the Garage). This offers lower prices on good gear that’s maybe from last year, or a close-out, or a weird color.

http://www.campmor.com

https://www.sierra.com

https://www.moosejaw.com

https://www.rei.com/rei-garage

When shopping online, always look for a coupon code at RetailMeNot! https://www.retailmenot.com

Amazon offers knock-offs of good-quality gear by no-name Chinese manufacturers. These items often have very few (and possibly astroturfed!) reviews; proceed with caution.

Amazon also sells its own knock-offs under the “Amazon Basics” label. Some of this stuff is pretty darn good: for example, I bought the 75-liter version of this internal frame pack last year (on sale for $40.15!) and was surprised at how well-made it was, with decent materials and good features. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0141MQRGI/

That pack is almost identical to another — and $20 more expensive -- item, the Teton 4000: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00167TGII/

No, the Amazon Basics pack won’t last for ever, and it’s not ultralight, but it’s functional and inexpensive.

Ask around! Someone in the troop or your family or neighborhood or workplace may have gear they don’t use any more, or may be able to lend you some stuff to try before you buy.

You can sometimes buy used or new gear on Craig’s List or a FaceBook group. The usual reminders of how to shop carefully online apply: never send money electronically, meet in a public place, don’t send anyone your credit card number, bring a friend to the meet-up.

REVIEWS

As for reading reviews to help select an item, there are very good reviews at Outdoor Gear Lab. Here’s their most recent (Nov. 2017) round-up of “budget backpacks”: https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-budget-backpacking-pack

(Note that the super-cheap option they suggest at the end is…the Teton pack linked to above!)

Amazon reviews are often bought, so I am suspicious of items with fewer than fifty or 100 reviews.

The (often truly awful) web site Reddit has a community about camping gear, and you can search it for reviews. (Just make sure not to read any other communities there.) https://www.reddit.com/r/campinggear/

And of course you can ask around the troop! Other Scouts and families have a lot of experience camping, and can share what they know about various manufacturers, specific items, or stores.

48L is pretty small if you are going to be doing any sort of camping etc. I'd recommend at least looking at a 60-65. Anyways, that's not what you are asking.

As far as cheap but sturdy, I bought both the Teton Fox for myself and the Teton Sports Explorer for my girlfriend and found them to be both fairly reliable. This was for an 8 week backpacking trip where I stayed in hostels through Europe (my gf was there for 5 of the weeks), so it didn't go through the rigor of camping, through I'd be willing to say that they would be entirely adequate.

For you, I would say that maybe the Scout or the Summit could be good matches.

Another advantage of going this cheap is that even if the backpack ends up breaking (again, not likely on the first trip), you'll be in a better position to understand what you do and don't like about it.

Oh and don't forget a raincover if they aren't built in.

TL;DR: Teton makes good cheap backpacks but I don't have experience with the smaller sizes. Also think about a slightly larger backpack.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I bought mine without trying it on first and it was close to the perfect size (could have used slightly longer straps over the shoulder, I'm 6'1"), but I have some decent experience with backpacks. For the most part, if you read enough of the reviews you'll find people of certain sizes fitting/not fitting.

Edit dos: Even more thoughts. It's free to try on backpacks in stores, and worth your time just to get accustomed to what the various sizes actually feel like and what sort of features you like. Once you try a few you'll get the hang of it.

Ok. This!! I totally feel for you! My husband and I are going camping and he’s 6’6’’ 250, and I wish there were more reviews out there for tall people- it was definitely challenging to find both backpacks and sleeping bags that weren’t $$$ and fit him... SO here’s what we got that is working out well:

Teton Explorer 4000 - can’t say this enough, it is an AWESOME backpack at a very reasonable price point.
TETON Sports Explorer 4000... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00167TGII?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Teton XXL Sport Sleeping Bag - granted, this doesn’t pick down really small - so definitely not considered ‘ultra light’ but if you’re looking for a great general sleeping bag, it will definitely be roomy enough for you.
TETON Sports Celsius XXL Sleeping... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005EPRGHG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Sleeping pad: Klymit static v lux xl.. fits perfectly under sleeping bag posted above.
Klymit Insulated Static V Luxe... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UW7SQQG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

And ps: my husband says Happy Travels Fellow Sasquatch! :)

I haven't used that backpack you're looking at but I can tell from its design, that it doesn't look like it'll carry the weight comfortably if you're planning on a 3 day backpacking trip in wilderness. This pack is probably better for normal travel so if you're car camping and have access to amenities then this pack should do fine. It also doesn't look big enough to carry a tent, sleeping bag, food, water, etc.

Assuming you'll be deeper in wilderness and using a tent, sleeping bag, pad, etc., I would recommend something that will carry comfortably (aim weight toward your hips and reduce weight on your back) and there are better options out there. You'd want a backpacking backpack at least and you can probably find lots of options within (or close to) your budget.
Below are a few suggestions within a few different price ranges (not sure how strict your budget is).
Side note: I used to own the previous version of the Teton - it was my first backpack - for the price it did a pretty good job and never had any major complaints:

TETON Sports Scout 3400 60L

Mountaintop 55L Backpacking Pack

Mountaintop 65L Internal Frame Backpack Hiking Backpack with Rain Cover

50L Hiking Backpack EocuSun Waterproof Camping Backpack Outdoor Sport Lightweight Backpacking Bag

Hope this helps - have fun on your trip!

You really need to go and try some packs out or better yet Buy a few and load it with what you think you will be carrying do not have the store people stuff bags in there it's not the same as having gear in there they fell much more different. I ended up with a Osprey Black and a Green Pack. I also have a Kelty Lakota 65 for longer hikes.

Osprey is the lighter of the Brands Gregory and Kelty are more heavier and more durable, but if you take care of the packs even the ultra light ones will last you. For $150 you won't be getting the Higher end packs they cost more then that, Or you can try a REI Garage sale and get lucky.

Trips like the one's you posted are great for light packs like the Osprey 65 you can pack a bunch in that pack and still feel like nothing is on your back. The only thing I don't like about Osprey is the side zippers I am a larger man and they don't work too well with my form lol.

This TETON Sports is a great pack it's not the lightest but for the money and the ENTIRE pack is nylon so it's tough as nails, I used it for a few year before upgrading to a lighter packs. I do not regret this at all.

here is a new version

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Adventurer-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B016ZXEDCQ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_sims?ie=UTF8

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Internal-ALUMINUM-Backpack-Backpacking/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500753362&sr=1-5&keywords=hiking%2Bbackpack&th=1

Mountaintop 40 liter pretty good for 40 bucks, however I'm upgrading again soon. This one is great and I've had it for about two years now with no sign of wear and tear but I wish I had gone with a 50 or 60 liter bag as the 40 really strains for space on a week long trip. Its perfect for about three days however and that's usually what I do anyway. here's some pics of mine the thing I was most concerned about was support and this does a decent enough job, I'd say 7/10. It has molded foam support which is good but a external frame style seems better to me ( however that's a opinionated subject ) id reccamend going ahead and getting either this one or a larger Teton, or the larger version of mine if your planning on staying out for more than 5 days or so. Less than that and I'd highly recommend mine :)

I mean no disrespect, but I also tend to be rather blunt: There is a lot of work that needs to be done to this bag. It seems really thrown together, out of an amalgamation of random stuff that's vaguely "outdoorsy".

Firstly, the bag itself. There's probably a reason it was in the trash, and my suspicion is that it wasn't because it was well built, durable, and comfortable. Good bags can be had for not much money and there are definitely used options on Craigslist and at outdoor store garage sales if you're on a shoestring budget. Your bag has to be able to take the abuse of multiple days and many miles of rucking.

FOUR knives? And they are all folders to boot? And you're trying to tell me this isn't "bloated"? Come on. Get one good multitool like a Leatherman, or keep the Gerber if you must (you don't need 87 bits for your Gerber in the woods, either). Maaaybe carry a fixed blade, too, if you really think you'll be needing it.

Mess kit: That looks bulky as hell, and aluminum has an incredibly low melting point (something like ~1200F) which is easily attainable in a mature fire. Hello melted mess kit. If you are really just bugging out you shouldn't need to cook anything. Calorie dense food bars, jerky, nuts etc. should be sufficient. Get a super small mess kit like this amazing one from GSI Outdoor and use this very cheap but decent backpacking stove and you have a lightweight, highly functional way to cook, boil water, and drink for under $25.

Blade sharpener? If you somehow manage to dull all four of your knives in a few days you're doing something wrong. Save the blade sharpener for the Zombies-Are-Attacking INCH bag or whatever.

Sunscreen and bug repellent are both great. that said, you are carrying almost as much sunscreen as you are water. Embellishing, of course, but that's a fucking lot of sunscreen.

I would also seriously work on flushing out that medical kit. If you don't have much first aid training, that's fine (though you should get some) but a basic boo-boo kit will be really functional. Gauze, small band-aids, some medium sized non-stick pads, alcohol wipes, burn cream and/or antibiotic cream, tweezers, rubber gloves, pain relievers, anti-diarrheals, generic antihistamines (for regular allergies and allergic reactions), etc. etc. Avoid pre-built medical kits and avoid things you don't know how to use.

The MSR filter is actually fantastic, can't fault you there. That said, something like a Sawyer Mini would be a fair bit lighter, and has integral water storage should you need more.

Metal water bottle: Looks like a thermos, which is great for keeping your coffee warm on the way to work but is single-use and heavy in the backwoods. I'd suggest changing it out for a widemouth single-walled metal container like those from Klean Kanteen because now not only do you have a way to store water, but you also have a way to boil it! And you can cook in it if absolutely necessary. And you can fill it up with hot water and add it to your sleeping bag to stay warm.

Wait...where is your sleeping bag? I know you mentioned having some miscellaneous camping gear in your car, but what if you need to abandon your car? Look at even a simple bivy sack like this one from SOL. Coupled with a lightweight tarp and you have a functional survival sleep system. Throw in a small inflatable pad for insulation from the ground and you can survive in all but the most inclement of weather.

Lose the rat traps and 200(!!!) fishing hooks in exchange for calorie dense food bars and other foods that need little or no preparation. Try to stay above 130 calories/gram and pay attention to things that are high in protein, fiber, and fat. You're bugging out, remember? Not sitting around camp all day with a cold one and your rod in the lake.

Substitute your few cheap (read: heavy and unreliable) flashlights for one good one. Something like a Four Sevens Quark AA2 or something from Fenix, Nitecore, or Olight. It will be reliable, well built, and powered by an efficient driver to produce multiple modes of light and provide for good run time. Get something that takes standard AA or AAA batteries. Avoid CR123As.

Noticeably lacking are things like a map and firestarters. You mentioned a ferrocerium rod. Instead of spending $7.00 on a decent one of those, get three BIC lighters and a pack of waterproof matches in a container. And save a couple bucks in the process. Ever started a fire with a ferro rod? It sucks. I've done it. I do it for fun and honing my skills occasionally. But a simple ass BIC will work 100 times better in almost any situation.

Add a high quality, water resistant topographical map of your region. Do you know how to use that compass? I'm not talking about pointing it north, but for things like triangulation or magnetic declination or navigating to a point on your map by finding a bearing. There are tons of Youtube videos out there that will help you in understanding these techniques if you don't already. A compass by itself is near useless.

How about things that you're more likely to encounter?

Throw in a charger for your phone, or maybe one of those $5 burner flip phones and a $10 minutes card in case yours dies. Take the battery out (should be removable on a cheap pay-as-you-go bog standard phone) and write important numbers on the inside.

How about wiping your ass? Go to your nearest Walmart and hit the toiletries section. You'll find bins of $1.00 miniature travel accessories. I'd recommend a toothbrush, toothpaste, deodorant bar, personal wet wipes (preferably biodegradable), Chapstick, and some baby powder or Gold Bond. Throw it all in a gallon Ziplock or a small pouch. Now you can survive in the woods AND survive overnight a friend's house after you get too drunk and can't drive.

I see nothing for cold weather gear. I know it's summer but depending on where you are night time can still be cold as hell. Add a beanie, wool gloves, a fleece underlayer, a poncho or rainproof hard shell jacket, and a change of GOOD wool socks.


Lose the 9 million feet of paracord. 50ft should be plenty sufficient (if that) especially considering the inner strands are strong enough for most applications.

I think that covers all my major gripes. Back to drinking and being an ass.

Since I'm new at this (I have however been camping in wilderness multiple times for 3-5 days, just never backpacking) I've been reading a ton of guides. I don't have a huge budget since this is something I'm just getting into, but looking around at different reviews this seems to be the best stuff I can get within my price range. If anyone cares to take a look and possibly give any suggestions I would appreciate it.

• Tent - I wanted a two person because the weight difference between this and similar-priced one person tents didn't seem large enough, and more importantly I plan on backpacking with SO or my sister, so the split weight from only having one person carrying a tent seems better.
  
  
  
• Backpack - Once again, budget, but seems to be exactly what I need.
  
  
  
• Sleeping Bag - I'm in Louisiana, so nearby backpacking spots such as Texas don't warrant me buying a super low F rated sleeping bag. I don't want to be burning up and I figure once I get to the point where I'm hiking in colder weather I won't mind dropping more cash on a better rated sleeping bag.
  

Thanks! I’ll check out that trail. I’m hoping to do a few hikes through the spring/summer to prep for the hike and go from there to see if I’ll be confident in doing the hike.

I plan on doing at least 2 over night hikes to test my gear... which I have yet to buy but will purchase the things I need in the new year (you never know I may change my mind and that’s a lot of gear to buy)... I found the following online...

sleeping bag, pillow, tent, cook set, backpack , and cooking stove

Of course I’ll have my clothing, food and toiletries. I’m hoping to be as lightweight as possible. Any gear suggestions would be great, I’m also ok with crossing the boarder to get a good deal... I’m a Winnipeger after all, I’m cheap! Lol

This is what i got as my first back in the same boat as you

http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00167TGII/ adjusts from M-XL

and my wife this one (slightly smaller) adjusts from S-L
http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Internal-Backpack-Orange/dp/B001KBYPIG/

Now these are by no means Mt Everest packs but they have all the bells and whistles, are comfortable, adjustable, and have survived plenty of 1-2 nighter trips on the AT and held up well.

I am 5'11"/6' and 180lbs and i use the "XL" but could probably use the L

With amazons return policy i would try it and return it if it doesn't fit properly.

Now a lot of people will only recommend the best gear, but to "start out" i think you'll be fine w/ a cheaper/decent pack and if you actually enjoy/do it a lot.. then upgrade and you have spares to sell/store/loan and bring more friends with.

I am not an expert and cannot comment on that pack, but thats my input on my first packs i got for about the same price.

I've had this one for over a year and am in love. Surprisingly good build quality and is super comfortable to wear under a load. Its also on super sale right now. Feel free to message me if you've got questions

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B06Y6LRWZQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1537407971&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=Amazon%2BBasics%2Bbackpack&dpPl=1&dpID=41uM1qW5vfL&ref=plSrch&th=1&psc=1

I have an Teton outdoors scout 3400. It's a 54L bag that is really comfortable and has some good features and is pretty affordable the msrp is about 140, but you can find it on amazo ng for about 80. It a good quality bag at a pretty good price and it comes I a couple different colors. It also has a great warranty that protects against defects for the entire lifetime of the bag.


TETON Sports Scout 3400 Internal Frame https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_qNgyCbX0KY5RM

I use this

G-raphy Camera Insert Bag with Sleeve Camera Case (Orange)

and put in in the bottom most part of whichever hiking bag I'm using. For my larger pack (65L) (https://www.amazon.com/Teton-Sports-Internal-High-Performance-Backpacking/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3QLFXUFBOG8OX&keywords=teton+backpack+65l&qid=1550902518&s=gateway&sprefix=65l+teto%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-2).

I put it in the sleeping bag compartment like arcana73. Then use the outside loops of the sleeping compartment usually used for tents for the tripod. Want to keep that weight low for stability and to maximize comfort. That insert bag holds my canon 6d body, my 70-300mm, my 50mm pancake, and my 14mm rokinon wide lens. I use a seperate bag I got for my iOptron skytracker to hold filters, remote shutter, additional sds, and so on. For my tent and sleeping bag I simply just put those in the main compartment, opting usually for a light hammock set-up when the weather's good.

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Overall I think a larger backpacking pack will do wonders for the duality you want, leaving room for food and supplies you'll need for those few days. Just be sure to get a nice insert to organize your gear and make sure you get a bag that allows it to be readily accessible like with a sleeping bag compartment, it will save you alot of headache of not having to take out all your stuff to get to your camera!

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PS When looking into his I'd recommend also getting some external mounting system for your camera onto your packso you can minimize stopping time for fool around in the bag to put the camera in and out. Something like the Peak Design's clip (https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjig_Pfm9HgAhUVjcgKHef7BOMYABAIGgJxdQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESEeD2tnd3YimtpuoDUrupzsjx&sig=AOD64_1VNtF2qgoCRHRekkWs4nNs0xkT6Q&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwj21Ozfm9HgAhWtm-AKHQoIC58Q9aACCDc&adurl=https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1086507-REG/peak_design_cp_2_capture_pro_camera_clip.html/?ap=y&gclid=Cj0KCQiA2L7jBRCBARIsAPeAsaMvphVGvlxGsKqAxoQjry9wyVVOGvLmxwoq7sOaB7o-6ePuao0kMUUaAmGkEALw_wcB&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=Y) helps a lot with this subtle annoyance.

Also looking at a couple other backpacks?

Bolang 45L Internal Frame Pack Hiking Daypack Outdoor Waterproof Travel Backpacks 8298(Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RAIJM7W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Bq8nyb0S18MGP

Guerrilla Packs Admiral Internal Framed Backpack, 40-Liter, Navy Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QQ9Q5DA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Nr8nybRZEG8G3

Kimlee Water Repellent 45L Internal Frame Backpack Travel Daypack Hiking Backpacks Royal Blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YOTPOAY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_9r8nybFB4XR7P

As you can see I am kinda lost but am trying my best. Any help appreciated. Thx!

Best budget backpack? Probably the Teton Sports Scout. https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Internal-Backpack-Limited-Included/dp/B00AE31RJQ

I've hiked 460 miles of the AT so far this year with this pack that I got for $50 at the time. I've hauled around 65 lbs at least 15 miles a few different days leaving towns with a 12 pack inside and its held up amazing. I thought for sure I would be buying a new pack at Neels Gap but dang I don't think this thing is ever going to break. It has pockets and zippers in all the right places. Comes with a pack cover too. I really can't find anything to nitpick on this backpack except maybe lose some of the extra straps. Oh, the one thing I do wish it had is a removable brain. But I loved the secret zipper pouch on the seam of the inside to the bottom of the brain. Great for storing 'personal' items.

That looks like a real good candidate. It can support a sleeping bag without an issue right? I have a second backpack I've only used once. It's This Teton Sports pack. I've used it for a two day hike because a friend convinced me I needed something big. However 4.5lb is heavy, and it has a lot of pockets I don't need(for the trips I do now at least, I may use this pack if I get up to weeklong trips). This is my sleeping bag, it works very well for the price. Not looking to replace it.

My problem with the REI day pack I had before was that it couldn't fit a sleeping bag at all, and would be soaked with back sweat halfway through the hike. This Exos seems to fit everything I want. Thanks a lot for the suggestion.

The best approach is to borrow as much as you can to just start getting some experience. One of the main drivers of cost in backpacking is weight, which you really won't appreciate unless you're putting up massive mileage on your two day trips.

Figure out which features you'll actually appreciate before you start putting money down for them. You may find that based on your preferences, it doesn't make any sense to pay another $200 for a backpack that's 3 lbs lighter. Or if you're pretty sloppy about your waterproofing, you'd want a synthetic bag over down. If you prefer short multi-day trips over week-long affairs, you'll be better off with a smaller pack.

It's much cheaper to just buy gear that fits your needs.

But, that advice isn't exactly what you asked for.

• Backpack: High Sierra Titan 55 ($82 currently) - Extremely cheap for the function. I love this backpack, but you may need to send the first one you get back because it has a weak buckle or something.
  
• Sleeping Bag: Marmot Trestles 30 (~ $100) - Warm, tough, and synthetic so I don't die when I inevitably get it wet.
  
• Tent: REI Passage 2 ($160) - It's light and it works well. Held up perfectly over a very wet weeklong hike on the Appalachian Trail. I'd recommend it, but I'd imagine that there are cheaper tents out there for comparable quality.

Neither of those would be very good for hiking/camping.
At 34/40 liters they will most definitely be too small to hold your full overnight backpacking kit, including food and clothing.

Military / bugout bags like this are not really practical for wilderness adventures. You would be much better off getting a bag designed for backpacking, with a real hip belt.

$70 is a low budget for a quality bag in the 50-65 liter range (what you likely need).
Is buying used or renting an option?

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Teton is a popular 'cheap' brand. Their packs are in your price range, although they aren't exactly the most comfortable or quality.

• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F34ZKS
  

Tent looks fine. Very light, if a little small.

No, I have no experience with jetboil. Looks exactly the same as a butane stove to me. Seems to have good reviews. My thing is, though, I already have cookware to boil water in, and it comes with drinking cups and utensils and stuff. I don't need a separate boiling pot.

I'd still recommend bringing water treatment stuff if you really want to train for doing multi-night backpacking. It's better to make sure everything works well before that, so you should pack as you would for a longer trip. Plus, bringing your own water for a 12-18 hour outing will be heavy. And then there's emergencies. You should at least bring some iodine tablets just in case. Also, bring a bandana. You can use it to strain a lot of the sediment out of the stream water before you boil it for food.

As for backpacks, you'll need an internal frame backpack. Tent, sleeping bag, and bedroll take up a lot of space. So does cookware, butane tanks, water, a book or two, food, snacks, food bag, flashlight, fire making equipment, body wipes, trowel, etc etc etc. Read some reviews and find what you think is best. I have this: http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B001947FG8 and love it.

As many of the other commenters have stated - buy your pack to fit your gear. If you buy your pack first you will find all sorts of things to fill it with.

That said - I have the Deuter pack a size larger than this - the Deuter ACT Lite 65 + 10 Pack. and it works great for my needs. I have used it on many weekend trips and one 10 day trek. All my trips are Boy Scout trips, so we tend to carry more gear than non-Scouts. The 10 day trek was to Philmont last summer. Philmont required us to carry several days worth of bulky food at a time. My gear took up about 2/3 of the pack and then I had plenty of room left for food or large water dromedaries when needed. The +10 expansion worked great for this as I could fill to the brim and then shrink it down as we used up the food and water.

A couple critiques I have about this line of packs.

• There are almost no accessory pockets. Externally the only zip pockets are 1 on the lid and the 2 belt pockets. Everything else goes into the large compartments. I made this work with multiple small bags to keep clothes, cooking gear, rain gear, and other things organized. This worked well for me, but would not work as well for a more disorganized person who really needs the separate pockets to put stuff in.
  
  
• The hip belt pad only comes about 2/3 of the way around my 34" waist. Around the front is adjustable strap. This was different than some of the other packs that wrap almost all the way around. I was ok with this and it carried the load well. It may not work for everyone.
  
  
• Buy a rain cover that is large enough. The +10 will make this equal to a 60L, so if you buy a 50L cover it won't be big enough. Also know if you will strap anything to the outside, because your cover will need to be large enough. I bought the Deuter cover which fits 40-70L.
  
  If you are a beginner and want to try something cheaper to get started - we
  have had luck with Teton brand backpacks for our Scouts. My son took the
  [Teton Escape 4300](
  https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Ultralight-Internal-Backpacking-Mountaineering
  /dp/B006JYHI24/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481035907&sr=8-1&keywords=teton+4300)
  to Philmont and it worked well for him. The Teton Hiker
  3700 might be more the
  size you are looking for.
  

My girlfriend uses this pack, and loves it. I think it's very well designed, and can hold a lot for a carry-on. Lots of nice touches to make it travel friendly as well (lockable zips, panel loading, etc.). However, I still think its more of a luggage/duffle than a backpack. The retractable shoulder straps dont have much support, and I think would be pretty tiring for any long walks.

I opted for the Kelty Redwing 44 instead. Not quite as much compressible room, but its something I can really hike with, with good straps and a lightweight frame. The hipstrap and frame bar are removable, to go lighter weight. Also was able to fit it in the overhead bins when fully packed.

Teton 3400 fits in your price range with room to spare (let's not put our backpack hopes on a raise). It's 55L which is good because it's carry on sized but gives you room to stuff things you make pick up while traveling. Don't overstuff it when heading to the airport though, 50L is standard for carry-ons and an over attentive staffer can make your life sucky.

Spend your saved coins on a collapsible day pack like this or this.

I normally just have it clipped to my backpack and if I'm going out on an excursion I lock up my backpack and take that with my ID, hat, scarf, sunscreen, and a water bottle in it. Keep it light.

Good luck!

For a 5-10 mile hike, I have found the Teton ones and the amazonbasics ones (also made by teton) are great deals.

There are better ones sure, and if you go hiking over and over again, you might want to upgrade down the road.

But if you are just starting out and don't want to spend a ton these are great.

https://smile.amazon.com/stores/page/499ACCEA-D3AC-4FCD-A53A-1014ABC90D10?ingress=2&visitId=7b3cf6ca-7df8-41be-867b-dd56ee3c20ba

https://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B06Y5M3D4P/ref=sr_1_3_acs_sk_pb_2_sl_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1537228076&sr=8-3-acs&keywords=teton%2Bbackpack&th=1

IDK What sort of weather you'll be camping/hiking in, but this is a pretty basic list of gear that I would take if I were on a budget:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006JYHI24/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Adventurer-Ultra-Compactable-Sleeping/dp/B001TR7QZA/ref=sr_1_3?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1408072994&sr=1-3&keywords=ultralight

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FB7XYXM/?tag=ultrastuff-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002COCF3M/?tag=ultrastuff-20

That's a bag, tarp, hammock and sleeping bag. They all have great ratings and should get you through just about anything.

Me, personally, I carry my hammock, a wool blanket and my tarp from http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/ ( http://www.bushcraftoutfitters.com/Coyote-Tarp-10x10-tarp-10x10-coyote.htm ) in my army surplus bag. I also carry my stainless steel pot and cup, cordage, zip ties, leather gloves, folding saw, axe and knife with me when I'm out in the woods. I have a "space blanket" too.

My pack could be lighter for sure, but everything I have serves a purpose.

Whenever you decided you want to get into campinp/hiking/bushcraft/whatever, decided what you really need/want to have with you. Don't just jam random "camping" supplies in your bag. Take your time, research and pack carefully. Your back will thank you.

I have a V3 Paratus 3 Day Operator's Pack for my GHB and a Kelty Redwing 50 for my BOB. I love the Redwing it's really comfortable and you can cram a ton of stuff in it. I also have a TETON Explorer 400 for backpacking which I love, but is probably a bit too big for a BOB. Personally I think tactical bags are far less comfortable and will take a toll on you if you're traveling long distances. Backpacking packs are made for hiking and will allow you to travel longer distances with more comfort and less back and shoulder pain. If you haven't done a 5 - 10 mile hike with your BOB you really should, a lot of people underestimate the importance of ergonomics while backpacking which is very similar to bugging out.

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These 2 Teton backpacks have great reviews on Amazon (my friend has one and loves it too): Teton Sports 5200 (75L) for $54 and Teton Sports Scout 3400 (55L) for $47

I found this easy on Amazon. Looks pretty useful and sturdy for a mere 40$, plus they usually have free shipping for products above 25$

I've started bikepacking / hiking and camping more. I'm looking to get a good pack that will be enough for a couple of days to a week. I'm definitely on a budget, and if at all possible, I'm looking for recommendations for something I can either secure to my bicycle or wear in to camp / backpack.

I'm looking at this (4.4lbs) teton.

I don't really know what I'm doing, just what I want to do. I appreciate any help you all can offer!

I had back surgery a number of years ago and have the same problem. If you get an expensive UL pack and it's not comfortable, I don't know if they'll let you return it.

This is what I'm experimenting with; find a cheap frameless or minimal framed pack to test out first. If it doesn't work, you haven't invested a car payment into it.

I just found this one on Amazon that looks like a good candidate:

GoBackTrail Roll Top Black Backpack - Ultralight 25L - 40L with Removable Internal Frame – Always The Right Size - Water Resistant – Comfortable for Men and Women When Walking, Trekking and Hiking https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDRECDU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_00kWCbRDT8SRH

It's only $54.97, weighs 2.5 lbs (not too bad), and has the option to remove the frame sheet. This won't be your forever pack, but it might help you determine what to go for in a UL pack. Think training wheels.

FYI, I picked up a $100, sub 2 lb, frameless pack from Amazon that I'm trying out. One problem I've discovered right off is that the padding in the shoulder straps and hip belt are too thin for me. This can also be a problem with the expensive UL packs. I need a good support frame too.

The Teton line has served me very well. I also use it as my general suitcase, since it passes all the carry-on requirements. The rain-fly is a very nice feature, and the adjustable lumbar support and waist belt are really nice for tall guys like us (though I'm only 6'2").

Of course, I'm only going on 2+ years of (relatively) heavy use, some camping, some backpacking through Europe, and multiple trips to visit family back in Ohio.

"Best" is really subjective.

For those on a budget or need to build multiple bags, here's some great, cheap packs. Suitable for most backpacking (maybe not hardcore extended adventuring/mountaineering). Great value for the money.

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Medium

More sizes available. Search Teton Backpacks on amazon.

I used a 65L Osprey Atmos for a month around Europe. My gf used the woman's version, 50L I think. It is a great multipurpose pack, and does not need to be packed completely full. Obviously pack as little as you can manage to live with. Minimize clothing by making sure they are versatile (for multiple outfits) and able to be layered. I recommend bringing a silk sleep sack for warmth and bedbug protection.

Last year I was using this pack and made sure I was on the hip belt mostly - that definitely helps. But getting into that 5th+ mile of the day, it still felt like there was a knife in my back. I'm having an ultralight bag custom made for this year's trip so hopefully that helps.

The only real benefit to that is making a wishlist. I put everything I want on my wishlist, which lets me set my sights on what is most important. I guess more because it is all laid out in front of me. Also, my family all know about it, and can go there if looking to get me something. No more of this asking me what I want for such and such holiday. Nobody has to be worried they bought me something I wouldn't like or use.

That would really work with any website with a wishlist, Amazon just has the most products.

I have been racking up piles of amazon points by putting everything on their visa card and paying it off before interest. I saved enough points to get this free!

I never hear much about Teton, but I have found they make a decent affordable product. It isn't top of the line gear, but I honestly don't do anything particularly extreme. Just weekend camping/backpacking/hiking.

My friend has the Teton 4000 65L pack.

Material is most certainly a cut above the thin stuff you'd expect on a Walmart pack but not quite the same level as mainstream packs like Osprey, Gregory etc. Don't abuse it and you'll be fine.

They make a 55L, the 3400 series, as well.

Double to triple the budget of the Teton packs and you're into the Osprey Volt (60L or 75L) or the Atmos (50 or 65L).

Cheap Backpack Suggestions?

Looking to get a lighter pack, but not looking to spend a lot at the moment, as I will probably get a better pack later once I know my needs better.. I have a two night backpacking trip in about a week in Red River Gorge. I'll be using my hammock. I have found these four:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPJUNYW/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_4?smid=A14Q688O8PFMTG&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DZK65W8/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A38N1X0G3NLPB&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C7V8Y38/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_6?smid=A14Q688O8PFMTG&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F34ZKS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_7?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Thoughts? Better suggestions? Prefer Amazon due to quick shipping.

I just got done with about a month worth of research on backpacks. While I ended up getting a nicer aether 70, this Teton pack was constantly appearing in my searches. From all reports, it is hands down the best pack in the lower price ranges. It even appeared multiple times on top gear ranking lists next to the more well known deuter, osprey, type bags.

Check it out:
http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Scout3400-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00AE31RJQ

I'm a big fan of Teton Sports Backpacks for a starter bag. They are relatively cheap and have good build quality and good customer service from my experience.

The bag I linked is a decent day pack for around $50 since that's what you said your budget was in the other post, it is fairly small though. Look at their bag selection, they have almost any size you might be interested in.

Teton Sports 163G Explorer 4000 Internal Frame Backpack – Not Your Basic Backpack; High-Performance Backpack for Backpacking, Hiking, Camping; Sewn-in Rain Cover; Hunter Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JYY7M5S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_zveVBbE458QGW


Check this out and see if it’s a fit for you. I did research on it and other Teton products and was very impressed. I just got this bag this weekend and so far I really like it, and it’s affordable!

Teton explorer 4000 is only 67 bucks and is should be able to fit your needs. It goes can adjust to fit people as tall as 6'4". I own this backpack and i love it.
backpckhttp://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B001947FG8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334004245&sr=8-1

I picked up a teton hiking pack for hiking amd camping. Has performed well so far. Easy on the wallet as well. Good luck. https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Internal-Backpack-Limited-Included/dp/B00AE31RJQ

It's pretty big. It's 55L. But i got it for free and it easily fits all my gear without having to buy smaller and lighter stuff. It's a Teton Scout 3400. http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Internal-Backpack-Orange/dp/B001KBYPIG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458765239&sr=8-1&keywords=teton+scout+3400

Teton Sports has a range of sleeping bags that would fit your needs.

• Altos is a down mummy bag rated for 0°F for $170
  
• Leef is synthetic mummy bag rated for 0°F for $75, or 20°F for $75
  
• Tracker synthetic mummy bag rated for 5°F for $67
  
• They even make double bags if you aren't travelling alone.
  
  I have a Polara rectangular bag (I like the extra space for me feet) that has a fleece liner that I took on a scout camp that kept me warm down to 15°F. We picked up an Evergreen bag for less than $50 on Black Friday.
  
  I like Teton sports because they have a lifetime warranty on their stuff, and they are a local company based out of Utah. They also make decent backpacks and pillows.

I've noticed that the vast majority of the bags that get named around on this sub are those that don't have to be checked in for flights. If you're only now considering a onebag lifestyle out of the blue, I'd consider taking a look at bigger backpacks, like this (relatively) cheap teton 3400. I used it myself for months when I was hopping around job searching and doing various volunteering/part-time gigs. During that time I had a bunch of stuff I just simply couldn't cut out regardless of how minimalist I was, such as interview clothes, work materials, uniforms, a couple textbooks that I needed with me, and the tools I needed to maintain my bicycle, my main mode of transportation. Onebagging with something like a goruck would have looked cooler, but I'm not Mary Poppins. I was still reasonably mobile, and if you're like most people I'd guess it's going to be hard enough to fit your life into 55 liters.

(My comment is based off the assumption that you want a hiking backpack, live in the US, and form follows function here.)

Depends on how much you're willing to spend and how quickly you need it. ASAP? I haven't gone wrong with Osprey packs. I took the Exos 46 on a 50 mile, six day trip through the Wind River range in WY, loved it the whole time. If you want more room, try the Atmos 65. This one came with me 55.4 miles through Yellowstone. Both are phenomenal packs.

Assuming you are in the US and live within a reasonable driving distance to REI, I'll let you in on a secret. They have a "no questions asked" return policy, which leaves them with a fair stock of seconds they can't put back on the shelves. Once a season (or four times a year, however you want to think about it) they put all of this gear out and mark it all waaaaay down. We're talking 50% at least. All you need is an REI membership ($20 one time fee). I've got osprey packs for $20 because it was scuffed, $400 Arc'teryx jackets for $40 because the original owner didn't like the fit, etc.

I found this, it seems to have pretty good reviews, and a few videos. Do you think it's worth it?

Not sure what you are asking, but the quality/durability issues with the No Limits brand seem chronic. My buddy wanted a really cheap pack to get into backpacking and settled on the Teton Scout 3400 (55L). It's a decent quality pack with plenty of features for a beginner. Currently available on amazon for $65: http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Scout-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00AE31RJQ

They also make a larger (65L) pack: http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106/ref=pd_sim_468_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41i6Oh9FSNL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR162%2C320_&refRID=1N8YEFCF077RTS8AHSZ7

Be careful about getting into huges packs (anything over 65L is a big pack). It's hard not to fill out all the space in your pack, so the larger your pack, the more you will bring. I understand you are new to the sport and may not have "ultralight" gear, but just be aware that the amount of weight on your back will have a huge impact on your enjoyment, especially as a beginner.

I got this one last year. I love it. Convenient pockets, multiple points of access to the main cargo area, camelbak ready, etc. If you're a prime member, you can have it in two days!

Ya, I would skip that. My friend bought a cheap backpack while traveling in India, came back to use it on camping trips and the first trip the should strap broke. You don't want something crucial as a backpack breaking while hiking. I'd recommend spending $100+ on a good pack, but even this backpack is better than the one on ebay. https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpacking-Backpacks/dp/B00167TGII/ref=sr_1_3?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1491935906&sr=1-3&refinements=p_89%3ATeton+Sports

I'd second that the Stamina is a huge pack for day hikes, though the detachable day pack might be reasonable. In fact, I'd consider it a pretty massive pack for 3-season overnight trips as well - 70L is huge volume, and 7lb is ridiculous weight for an empty pack.

For comparison, the Osprey Atmos AG 65 is probably the archtype of non-ultralight, multi-night backpacking packs, and it's a little smaller and about 2/3rds the weight.

Assuming the sizing is right, something like this or this is probably a better used buy. Somewhat smaller and much lighter packs at similar prices, still overkill for a day pack but with room to grow for overnighters. Or the AmazonBasics 65L pack, if you don't mind something reasonably large but heavy but want it new, as it's considerably cheaper. Or the Teton Sports Summit 1500, for a smaller, actually day pack sized pack at a more reasonable price.

Link to a good backpack on Amazon, please?

How about this one?

My son is about 4'8" and 68 pounds (super-skinny).

I really appreciate all of the work you have put into the list! I have been studying it closely along with Andrew Skurka's book.

The lack of decent entry-level gear on the market is kind of amazing. It applies to other gear categories, but backpacks seem like a particularly weak point.

I was actually planning on buying the Teton Sports Canyon 2100, assuming my stuff will fit volume-wise (my estimate is 30-40L, but not sure yet).

It seems like a relatively heavy pack for someone who wants to go light, but the user reviews are decent and the price is right. Beats me..

It looks like some cheap Chinese brand.

If you’re looking for something cheaper that will still hold up I suggest these


https://www.amazon.com/TETON-SPORTS-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106


Or this for a little more


https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Coyote-65-Backpack-Black/dp/B01JHK9UOU/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?keywords=kelty+internal+frame&qid=1568936212&s=gateway&sr=8-9




Edit. Here’s a clone of the first link rebranded as Amazon Basics. This is a better price depending on the size and color

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B077P17P2N

A lot of your gear is similar to mine. I'm also just getting into backpacking and I've got the same cloud up 2 tent and aegismax sleeping bag coming in the mail this week. I picked up this pack a few weeks ago and like it. Haven't had a chance to use it a lot but with free returns you can see if it works for you.

AmazonBasic pack ($65)

Tarp ($7)

Polycro Groundsheet ($8)

Goodwill sleeping bag/wool blankets (~$10)

Rope (~$10)

Stakes ($5)

SeatoSummit Food bag ($22)



That's $127 for a barebones setup. It wouldn't probably be a terribly comfortable trip unless you've got warm weather on your side.

I had some female friends who bought these:
http://www.amazon.com/Teton-Sports-Internal-Backpack-Hunter/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395182081&sr=8-1&keywords=backpacking

No problems, the pack worked great from both of them. We went on a 3 night trip. I don't think the boob issue should keep you away from this pack either. Both were fine.

I would look at small internal frame packs between 30 and 45 litres. Kelty and osprey both make good packs, the [44] has worked well for me(http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Redwing-Internal-Frame-Black/dp/B004CXENA4/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1369003362&sr=1-3&keywords=kelty+redwing+50)

I actually decided to look at the alternative budget list from the wiki and went with this pack. It's crazy cheap, but I don't expect it to last as long as expensive ones, and if I don't like it the SO gets it. And if i do then win for me. With that pack it puts me at 16lbs. Since it's only a 2.5lb pack.

Here you go:

AmazonBasics Internal Frame Hiking Backpack with Rainfly, 75 L, Green

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y6LRWZQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_CtC3AbYNNDFKP

Here you go:

AmazonBasics Internal Frame Hiking Backpack with Rainfly, 75 L, Green

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y6LRWZQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_CtC3AbYNNDFKP

I've been eying this guy on amazon, which states it's sufficient for 2-4 day excursions, which would be plenty for what I intend to do for now. The camping area I plan on backpacking to is mostly a swampland/basin area with plenty of opportunities for fishing and trapping.

Cheap, strong, big enough.

http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer4000-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106

I would give it a 6/10 rating for a pack.. but for the price i would give it 8/10.. I was using this one

http://www.amazon.com/Teton-Sports-Internal-Backpack-Hunter/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1367986527&sr=8-2&keywords=teton

Its hard to keep the weight overall even and the metal rods in the frame didn't really feel long enough.. On top of that my back got really hot wearing it.. but I hiked uphill and downhill with it for about 4 miles through snow, dirt, and ice during a 3 day winter trip in Angeles National Forrest in California.. I wouldn't recommend it for anything longer than a weekend.. just not built well enough.. but still works. As you can see I have a love hate relationship.. but thats probably because it was my first pack ever.

Overall its great for the price.. but at the same time you get what you pay for..

Search for a hiking backpack with an internal frame. Better for your back. Get an insert that fits and your set. Test one at your local sporting goods store to get a feel for frames and sizes.

TETON Sports Scout 3400 Internal Frame Backpack; High-Performance Backpack for Backpacking, Hiking, Camping; Hunter Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_vToYCb72YRVYY

What does your husband think of this bag? I was actually looking at it myself...

Seems to be of good quality, inexpensive, internal frame and very adjustable.

Also, this backpack. Weights 5lbs. That seems like a lot to me, on further inspection. Maybe I don't need one this big?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00167TGII/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Check out Amazon Basics backpacks. Interactive frame 75l pack for less than 70. It's well reviewed and amazons customer service is on point. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06Y6LRWZQ

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F34ZKS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

This one, I have to leave by saturday so I ordered it and hope it'll hold up for atleast a few months.

Could someone help me compare this pack and this one. I'm looking for an entry pack that I can take on a 2-3 (at most) trip.

I have the escape 4300 that I have been alternating to when I'm not packing my REI Flash 45, and I have no bad feelings about it. Budget pack that I got for less than $60, one main compartment with side mesh is nice, plus the lid compartments are plenty big for stuff I need quickly (snacks, tp, first aid, etc). Adjustable shoulder harness is easy to fit, and has plenty of ventilation. Other than maybe being a little heavier than some of the other big named brands... I haven't seen a reason to change to another pack (other than when I downsize to my Flash 45 when hammock camping)

>All the guides I'm finding keep saying to buy $200 plus bags

65 liter backpack for $63.

I have this one, it works well. It keeps the weight up on my back. It's got a lot of options. I don't expect it to compete with a $200 pack. But I can buy 3 of these packs for the price of one $200 pack.

I've taken it on several hikes and camping trips. It's durable for 2 or 3 day treks. Probably not durable for a 2,000 mile hike, but then even the $200 packs aren't going to last that.

If you want even cheaper then look on ebay for an external frame backpack. Believe it or not people still use them. They're as functional as they ever were, durable, reliable and can pack a lot of weight if you know how to lash items to the frame.

I used to use the Teton Scout pack. Very durable. I mean this thing can take a beating. It's a little on the smaller side, so not a good fit for someone on the tall side (I'm 5'8", there are 3 or 4 more slots left for the strap adjustments). It's also a fairly roomy bag, I've never filled it completely. That said, it's a bit heavy (4.5 lbs) and I'm always trying to go lighter.

I'm in the process of making my own variant of the Moonbow Gearskin.... Basically a modern twist to the old beaver tail packs. I'll be using my sleeping pad for the support, with all my gear packed into it. Tests so far are looking promising, and I've only invested $45 in materials.

http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Scout3400-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00AE31RJQ

http://www.moonbowgear.com/1trailgear/1Custom%20packs/Gearskins/gearskin.html

I dont know man, I've never used meth because of the high risk of addictions, but there are plenty of other ways to lose your mind. LSD and Mushrooms aren't addictive and I guarantee you would have an experience impossible to put into words.

That being said you have to be extremely careful with your mind set and setting before going into it. Its not a decision to be taken lightly at all.

If you want to experience the vagabond life, I recommend getting on of these and packing some clothes and food and travel to the city next to yours. Sleep on the streets a few days and see how it is.

I had been looking at this Teton pack: https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack-Backpacking/dp/B01JYY7M5S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485142359&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=teton+hiker+3700

I'l have to compare the two and see what the differences are

would this be better https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpacking-Backpacks/dp/B00167TGII/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1519230000&sr=1-2&keywords=teton%2B4000&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Internal-Backpack-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B001KBYPIG/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1511433630&sr=1-3&keywords=teton+sports+scout+3400+internal+frame+backpack

I'm guessing it's this?

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B06Y6LRWZQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524478610&sr=8-1&keywords=amazon+75l+backpack

This link worked for me.

This is the pack I use.

This is the tent I use.

This is the sleeping bag I use.

Total weight for the sleeping bag and tent is 5.8 lbs. Total volume for both is 860 cubic inches. My pack has a sleeping bag compartment located at the bottom of the bag. If you look at the link I have posted in my OP there is a pic of my bag fully loaded - the tent is strapped to the outside just in front of the sleeping bag compartment. I also have my machete strapped there.

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B06Y6LRWZQ/ref=twister_B077K4CD9S?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I use a hiking bag that has a waterproof bag in it to cover the pack.

https://www.amazon.com/Teton-Sports-Internal-High-Performance-Backpacking/dp/B00AE31RJQ

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000F34ZKS

Depends on how minimalist you're planning on going. I managed 3 weeks with 5 sets of clothes, all my electronics, meds, toiletries, and such in this bag with my bookbag(carry on) hooked onto the back of it.

https://www.amazon.com/TETON-SPORTS-121-High-Performance-Backpacking/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=57608577553&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhLSEicWt4gIVFbbACh1hUg4hEAAYASAAEgLdifD_BwE&hvadid=274684609815&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9052573&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t1&hvqmt=b&hvrand=16934333135453329411&hvtargid=aud-648278611385%3Akwd-299276976955&hydadcr=17110_9496591&keywords=teton+hiking+backpack&qid=1558473204&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

I have a Teton and I have no complaints of the bag. Seems to receive good ratings and very affordable.