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You'd probably enjoy the book by Dr. Ruby Payne called The Framework For Understanding Poverty.

It talks about more than financial poverty and how being raised in different types of poverty affects how you solve problems and things.

I read it for school and it's stuck with me because, like you said, it answered so many questions I didn't know I had

> Also, in my experience, there is some truth to the statement that wealthy people learn things that people don't learn in school.

There's a very interesting book called A Framework for Understanding Poverty that talks about the unwritten rules of each social class and how it's difficult to move up the ladder if you don't understand the rules. Someone who is born into a wealthy family is going to have an inherent advantage at maintaining a lifestyle of wealth because they understand the social rules of being part of the wealthy class. It's a fascinating read.

>>> A person that exits their community and attempts to integrate into another is left without any foothold.>>>

Ruby Payne, noted scholar and researcher in the area of upward mobility amongst persons in poverty has clearly shown that it is about as hard for a person in poverty to migrate to the middle class as it is for someone who is middle class to migrate to wealthy status, largely surrounding the ideas in your comment - no foothold, no community understanding, no "breaks." Her work ["A Framework for Understanding Poverty"] (https://www.amazon.com/Framework-Understanding-Poverty-4th/dp/1929229488) is a great read regarding this ideal.

Check out A Framework for Understanding Poverty. Read it, then Google 'criticisms of A Framework for Understanding Poverty' so that you have some idea what the flaws in the claims might be.

Then spend two years teaching high school in a community with a large minority population.

Also, disclaimer: I am by no means a sociologist. I'm just some guy.

Are they economically disadvantaged? I read this book early in my career and I highly recommend it to anyone working with lower socioeconomic students. A true eye-opener.

A Framework for Understanding Poverty 4th Edition https://www.amazon.com/dp/1929229488/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_c0sSCbYXYT435

Ruby Payne's PD on understanding poverty. It's a bit controversial for some, but I thought it was really worthwhile.

You are just being a ideological shill. That "the rich pay less taxes than their secretaries" is so damn tired. It's not true: A) They pay in millions while their secretaries pay in thousands. B) If they are making short term capital gains tax payments they are paying income-tax level payments on those gains. Your logic came off a democrat soup can and its wrong.

How about you read up on things first before you step into the ring: http://blog.lendingclub.com/2007/10/10/incredible-statistics-about-millionaires-in-america/

FTA: According to this book, the average millionaire drives a Ford F-150 pickup truck. 80% made their money in one generation, and only 20% had more than 10% of their income come from inheritances. The average millionaire does not drive the latest-year's car, nor does he or she wear expensive clothes. The average millionaire invests around 20% of his or her income annually.

You think these people just conjured a million dollars, or were they middle class people who "invest around 20% of his or her income annually." The stock market is one of many ways for middle class people to become upper class people. Whether its shrewd real estate moves, stock investments, venture capital risk, etc...these people were middle and became upper. And no, I don't think any poor people invest, because I've also read Ruby Payne's book on generational poverty (http://www.amazon.com/Framework-Understanding-Poverty-Ruby-Payne/dp/1929229488) and understand that poor people by and large do not understand the time-value of money and do not see the merit in investments, whereas middle and upper class people do.

Education...it is your friend.

Talk to people more. Travel outside of the US. Go to a large college with a diverse array of people or work at a job that give you access to lots of different types of people. If you're the smartest highest status person in the room get out of the room.

> I wonder, how to determine what status a girl is

If she's overly concerned with status. She's low or middle status. If she's well spoken and doesn't offend easily she's higher status.

> Are there different rules in communication depending on the statuses of a girl?

Yes and no. Redpill applies across all social and political spectrums but every group has a set of secret rules that outsiders don't pick up on. This helps to create in group out group dynamics.

I highly recommend these two books on the subject of status and class mindsets.

https://www.amazon.com/Framework-Understanding-Poverty-4th/dp/1929229488

https://www.amazon.com/Life-Bottom-Worldview-Makes-Underclass/dp/1566635055/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1502810211&sr=1-1&keywords=life+at+the+bottom

> Is applying these rules the same as holding the frame of high status?

No. You could play all your cards right and if a girl is in a different class/status position you're out of the running. It's all about handling these situations with grace and establishing connections and friendships. Holding frame is not a guarantee of landing particular target. Holding frame just ups your chances in general and also wins male friendships which helps you grow a social group which increase your chance of getting laid. Men respect other men that hold frame.

It's well beyond nurture though. The class system causes serious stress on those of lower class when it comes to learning and even has the effect distancing them from it. All those things you point out aren't just effects of parenting, as many of the failures of parenting that you point out stem from the class system. The lower class just doesn't put any emphasis on learning, and that isn't really their fault, it is how they were taught as they grew.

All the good parenting in the world doesn't stop kids from joining gangs and falling in with the wrong crowd. A major problem with the lower class, minorities especially, is that reading and learning are not "cool" thing to do. Who you associate with is as much a deal for the lower class as it is for all classes, only for them it can sometimes be part and parcel to survival and straying from the pack is generally a bad idea.

If you're interested, you might want to check out a book by Ruby Payne. It's standard reading material for educators before we pass through the program.

When I was teaching in the public schools, this book was presented to me by other faculty and it proved to be very helpful in giving me perspective:

http://www.amazon.com/Framework-Understanding-Poverty-4th-Edition/dp/1929229488

I would suggest to read some critical reviews before you buy it, some people love the book and some people have real problems with Payne's conclusions.

Not a guy, but I have been working in education for the last 12 years. What you're referring to is a direct result of poverty culture and has nothing to do with feminization of the learning environment. Read A Framework for Understanding Poverty by Ruby Payne and you will get a lot of your questions answered. The idea that lower and middle school grades have been feminized is completely outside of the realm of reality in my experience.

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