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Found 5 comments on Boys Will Be Boys: Celebrating the Adventurous Spirit in Every Little Boy:

u/ShrimpCrackers · 26 pointsr/todayilearned

Uh... I went to look at this in detail, as I worked before doing paralegal work and it triggered a few alarm bells. Keep in mind that this evidence list and description was put together by the prosecutors, it's designed to paint a false picture.

First, we know that the jury heard their case and examined most of this evidence (we will too), and threw them out. Secondly, most of these books are clearly described not as featuring children. Third, an Amazon search clearly shows the that many of these are artsy photo books, and only a handful (out of thousands) happens to feature children at play, not children having sex nor are they ever pornographic material. Furthermore prosecutors purposely do these kind of findings in this way to paint a distorted picture. I'll explain how:

My dad took photos of me when I was kid playing. Often I was with my mom, some of them are me, nude in the bathtub with my toys as a child. But he's a photographer, not a pedophile. In this finding that photo would be listed as something like:

>"Photograph: A photograph of a young boy in a bathtub; fully nude"

...which would be absolutely out of context, part of the intent by the lawyers to introduce bias. Sure, you can trust me, but you should verify. So lets see the evidence:

>"Boys will be Boys", containing photographs of boys under the age of 14; full frontal nudity. This book is personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.

Holy shit, that sounds pretty awful and incriminating right? Now see the actual book on Amazon and laugh your head off at how poorly this case was put together (100% Safe For Work): [Amazon link]. Then there's the other book, described as the following by prosecutors:

>"In Search of Young Beauty" containing photographs of children, both boys and girls".


Wow that sounds pretty awful. The book is subtitled, "A venture into photographic art". This is what is contained inside (100% Safe For Work): [Ebay Photo Link]. I think this is enough to convince you how silly this was. But there's more:

>"Room to play" Photos of children that are altered, morphed head on older bodies, kids made to look sexualized. Some are nude photos of kids;

Woah. That sounds like weirdo smut. Lets see what it looks like on Amazon (100% Safe for Work): [Amazon Link]. Okay well you don't get much of a preview of what's inside right? No problem, lets see what the photographer's other books look like: [Photographer's Published Books]. Alright, at this point I think the prosecutors were grasping at straws and hoping the jury would be dumb as rocks, too bad their hopes were dashed. I have other points below:

  • I also noticed that it says all this was found in the "Master Bedroom Suite", a description that makes me think it must be in a moderate sized bedroom so I went to search what that meant because Michael Jackson was a rich eccentric. Remember, Michael Jackson also had a "bed" in a large complex that was basically entirely made of bed in the Neverland Ranch for sick children to sleep nearby. This was described by accusers in the media as Jackson sleeping in the same bed with children even though he could have slept 50 feet from any of them because no one thinks of a two story monstrosity when someone says, "bed". Apparently his master bedroom suite appears to be a separate private building (nowhere near the aforementioned "bed") with a huge library of books. It's also not put in context of what other books were in there or what percentage of these selected smut material was. From the item numbers in this finding, there are at least 1000+ photography or book related items in there, of which only 3 hard cover books and 2 photographs, published in stores mind-you, that they had as 'incriminating evidence'; all of which was later dismissed by the jury because as you saw above, it was ridiculously stupid. The main 'evidence' was tacitly hidden among a sprinkling of porn to add rhetorical bias.

  • That listing of 'multiple visits to the following websites' is an especially heinous piece of work because it groups, "www.varsityteens.com" which was an adult site back in the 2000's (thanks to Internet Archive), with "www.adoptablekids.com" and "www.adoption.com" to give the impression that these were the only three sites that Michael Jackson visited. I've seen lawyers use browser history against people because if you selected 3 or 4 out of an entire history, you can really paint bad ideas of people. For example, given how popular and highly rated the show, "How to get away with Murder" is, one can imagine how that might make anyone look conveniently guilty for a desperate prosecutor with a flimsy case.

  • The discussion portion of this case presented by the prosecution is highly biased and feeds off homophobia. The description says, "Many items described above are all-male erotica" which is untrue because most of these photo books from an Amazon search are not really erotica at all and a quick number count shows that most of these that happens to be pornography featuring legal female porn. The trick is that in law, there is a lot of rhetorical semantics, more than three can be considered "Many". There's also a heavy emphasis on 'teens' in this list, the problem is, 'teens' in the porn categories of popular sites happens to be the most popular world wide. Hustler sells a series featuring 'teens' and their "Barely Legal" series happens to be one of their best sellers and it apparently regularly wins adult industry awards. It's not a really good argument to say that Michael Jackson enjoying popular pornography and owning a large number of photography books somehow makes him an automatic pedophile. Using that kind of faulty broken logic, one is also arguing that Barnes and Noble and Amazon are dealers catering to pedophiles since this material is available there, which is untrue.

    Remember, these guys lost the case and couldn't prove their case once the evidence was examined:

    >At approximately 2:25 pm PDT (21:25 UTC) on June 13, 2005, the jury of the Superior Court of the State of California, held in and for the County of Santa Barbara, determined that Jackson was not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges.
u/enviouscodpiece · 8 pointsr/WTF

"Boys Will Be Boys", the book you are talking about, is not pornography. In fact, it is available on Amazon and looks pretty harmless. The second book, "In Search of Young Beauty", is also available on Amazon. I'm not about to research every title, but at least some items listed are non-pornographic, and legal to possess.

u/1203olgb · 4 pointsr/NoStupidQuestions

There was none, which is why he was never charged of possessing any. He had legal art photography books that had images of nude children and adults of both sexes.


(1) "The Boy: A Photographic Essay" was inscribed with "From your fan, xxxooo, Rhonda."
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/photographic-Ronald-Nelson-Editors-Georges/dp/B000ID41XQ

Library of Congress: https://lccn.loc.gov/65000007


(2) "Boys will be Boys" inscribed with ""Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces, this is the spirit of Boyhood. A life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children. MJ."
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Celebrating-Adventurous/dp/0736913122

Library of Congress: https://lccn.loc.gov/66001965


The prosecution's thirst was REAL. Luckily, justice prevailed.

u/Plantietreey · 1 pointr/ExplainBothSides

thank you for this! that's interesting. the documents you showed me do sound concerning but on the other hand https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Georges-St-Martin/dp/B000OREMI0

https://www.amazon.com/Boys-Will-Be-Celebrating-Adventurous/product-reviews/0736913122/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews I haven't seen the book but reviews have said it's just a normal photography book of childhood. I dunno.

"The grooming isn't in dispute" you still haven't shown me sources for this. you are just saying it. a lot of things can be called grooming. I'm talking about evidence for sexual grooming. if you say that everything is based on what the kids say instead of evidence, then it becomes a matter of simply believing them or not which is pointless to debate. given that one of the men used to date Jackson's niece and yet claims that Jackson made him hate women, and another of the men claims that he was molested at a time when the supposed molestation setting hadn't even been built, I'm more inclined to not believe everything they say, because what's the alternative?

u/ShankKunt42 · 0 pointsr/MichaelJackson

>>Ok, Jackson was a 'boy enthusiast'
>
> But with that statement you are claiming people cannot be interested in children in a loving way nor can people be interested in art books...


False. Mr Rogers exemplifies how wrong you are. Probably because he didn't rape kids. No, these are not art books. They're books for pedophiles lumped in with porn.



> he had 10.000 books in his possession,

Except these were in his bedroom



>
the book Boys Will Be Boys had an inscription written by Michael himself (probably meant for the fan), stating: "Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys’ faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children, MJ.";

Sounds like he loved the book. Better mix it in with gay and straight porn. That's what I do with all my favorite books.



>To come back to your original comment, who is Petitioner? I don’t see how that person is related to the book “Boys Will Be Boys” by Jim Daly. What was his role in the book?



This is the wrong book

This is the correct book, found at Jackson's made by pedophiles Georges St. Martin/Martin Swithinbank and Ronald C. Nelson/Ronald Drew using pen names. Swithinbank is the petitioner.