Reddit mentions of Images of Organization

Disclaimer: As a representative of the nascent Carcini Institute I am not speaking for any Neoreactionary Individual or Ideology and I am using the commons present at the subreddit as I would any commons.


Is it self-evident that every stable government turns into a bureaucracy? It certainly does not appear to be that the equilibrium state of governance is exemplified in bureaucracy. Unlike what kalvinski seems to be saying you can certainly have bureaucracies in a corporation.

I am not sure exactly what sort of question you are trying to ask or territory you are trying to explore but it appears to be something around the lines of 'examining the form of bureaucracy and seeing if there are better alternatives - esp from a decentralized angle.' This is actually a topic I've been interested in research once my work on Fourth Generation Warfare and Political Theology have been cleared up. The answer in this comments thread appears to be signalling NRx/DE ideology instead of substantively dealing with the problem and given the style of your question I dont really blame them that much. So where do we start if nothing is stable to stand upon?

Caveat: I do not think its productive to speak about political structures from this level of resolution. Especially if you are attempting to make ideological recommendations. It causes confusion around what is and what should be. I will continue to talk about the general nature of the post but there will be no implementable instructions provided or condoned during the course of this comment.

You have to start with the right questions:

• What is a bureaucracy?
  
• is it a "Specialized administrative staff set up to do something"
  
• Is it "The Administrative attempt to enforce legal pronouncements"?
  
• How is it formed?
  
• What role is it supposed to fill?
  
• Are all types of administration for an organization bureaucratic?
  
• Are there alternatives to bureaucratic organization?
  
• What are the usual consequences (both good and bad) of implementing a bureaucracy?
  
• What is "Weber's ideal of bureaucracy?"
  
• Are there complaints about bureaucracy that are not based in fact?
  
• How is a bureaucracy funded and how is it supposed to use those funds?
  
• Do all bureaucracies rely on the same moral standards?
  
• How is failure discovered, judged, and fixed in a bureaucracy?
  
• What are the personal incentives involved with taking responsibility in a bureaucracy?
  
• Does a bureaucracy do useful work or useless work?
  
• What is bureaucracies relationship with "Work expands to fill the time available for its completion."?
  
• Do bureaucracies attempt to establish stability to the degree that generates stagnation?
  
• Does the "Personnel > Protocol > Prescription" dynamic prove to be more true than the bureaucratic one?
  
• Is the dynamic of the bureaucrat to be a rent seeker?
  
• Do bureaucracies produce individuals who serve the public or who seek for the public to serve them?
  
• Can a bureaucracy ever function in a society where "Skin in the Game" is a necessary component of public life?
  
• How do modern states use (or are used by) bureaucracies?
  
• Can Bureaucracy be equivocated with a Centrally Planned Economic scheme?
  
• Are bureaucracies inherently "scientific?"
  
• Who collects taxes and administers government edicts then?
  
• Does applying corporate metaphors to the structure of governance alleviate the supposed problems of bureaucracy?
  
• How do Men organize?
  
• What role is hierarchy supposed to play in an organization?
  
• What does it mean to decentralize an organization?
  
• What is decentralization supposed to solve in regards to problems generated by hierarchic and/or bureaucracy?
  
• What are the organizational incentives to function during a long term time frame?
  
• Is the Sytgian Starfish bureaucratic in its instantiation?
  
• Do democratic forms of Government Legitimization rely upon bureaucracies?
  
• Are orwellian descriptions of bureaucracy (esp in govt) accurate?
  
• Is decentralized governance inherently open to leftist control?
  
• Are individuals of with great potential fostered or expelled in bureaucratic organizations.
  
• What does bureaucracy do to leaders?
  
  I am sure we could go on with these questions for quite a while. Given how vague your question was I would use these questions to determine what territories you should explore. It appears that the 2 major paths to explore are:
  
  1 Determining what exactly a bureaucracy is.
  2 Examining alternative schemes that do not have the same problems associated with bureaucracy.
  
  I am certain that merely defining bureaucracy as 'the administrative section of a sufficiently large institution' is a waste of time. Bureaucracies all have very similar forms and consequences and do not appear to be the only way to control an organization as it is the archetype of Protocol Governance.
  
  Here is something from the Freisian School that really goes into detail on the topic:
  
  http://www.friesian.com/bureau.htm
  
  If you end up developing a relatively concrete & abstract definition that can take into account most of whats considered bureaucratic in a non-trivial manner you have already done a great service but its all preamble to your post. Presuming that every stable gov is a bureaucracy makes it impossible to consider stable alternatives so once you clear up this mess in your presumptions you can consider what alternatives lie beyond.
  
  Since most of the alternatives that exist appear to be just variants of Anarchy and Chaos it may be better of on understanding organizations. There are 2 fields that exist today that deal with the micro-level and macro-level of organizational incentives and forms respectivley with an over-arching series of comparitive frameworks:
  
  
• Game Theory
  
• Operations Research
  
• Organizational theory
  
  >Game theory is "the study of mathematical models of conflict and cooperation between intelligent rational decision-makers."
  
  >Operations research is a discipline that deals with the application of advanced analytical methods to help make better decisions.Further, the term 'operational analysis' is used in the British (and some British Commonwealth) military, as an intrinsic part of capability development, management and assurance.
  
  >Organizational theory is a loosely knit family of many approaches to organizational analysis. Its themes, questions, methods, and explanatory modes are extremely diverse.
  
  as you may notice the above definitions make assumptions about the rational capacity of the actors in question as well as relying upon over abstract non-specific systems of judgement. At this level of question framing and attempting to orient yourself in your new territory this sort of over-simplification is necessary. It is important to review the operating assumptions of whatever tools you use to devise these supposed alternatives to bureaurcacy when you seek to actually instatiate your work.
  
  I agree with your observation that Neoreaction as a whole has not noted the problems that by having such a limited conception of organization and when they have noted it they have implemented a rather simplistic understanding of left and right in order to justify their views and demonize opposition.
  
  I do not see this as exactly that surprising as your domains demand fairly extreme analytic competence as well as open-mindedness in terms of comparisons for hierarchical organizations. It is additionally quite predictable that using capitalism like an ideological cudgel as well as general pointing to moldbug were going to be the answers to your question. Do not fear though. These lads are quite capable of dealing with your domain as long as you can get your questions specific enough. They are just stuck in a clouded mirror so it takes a bit more effort to get them to see things directly.
  
  Like I said I'm interested in this domain but I'm not going to pretend its going to even be on my plate for another 6 months. I would recommend keeping up with http://www.ribbonfarm.com if you want to see people directly dealing with this problem as well as reading this book here: https://www.amazon.com/Images-Organization-Gareth-Morgan/dp/1412939798?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0