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u/axolotl_peyotl · 20 pointsr/conspiracy

The Dellschau Dilemma


Charles Dellschau was born in Prussia in 1830 and died on April 20th, 1923. Dellschau's relation to the airship mystery is perhaps the strangest of them all.

I recommend the following for an in depth description of this enigmatic figure: The Secrets of Dellschau: The Sonora Aero Club and the Airships of the 1800s, A True Story.

Dellschau “filled at least 13 notebooks with drawings, watercolor paintings and collages depicting fantastical airships.” A single page of one of his notebooks sells for thousands of dollars. Continued from Wikipedia:

>His work was in large part a record of the activities of the Sonora Aero Club, of which he was a purported member. Dellschau's writings describe the club as a secret group of flight enthusiasts who met at Sonora, California in the mid-19th century. One of the members had discovered the formula for an anti-gravity fuel he called "NB Gas." Their mission was to design and build the first navigable aircraft using the NB Gas for lift and propulsion. Dellschau called these flying machines Aeros. Dellschau does not claim to be a pilot of any of the airships; he identifies himself only as a draftsman for the Sonora Aero Club.

Although Wikipedia continues by saying that “it is speculated” that the Sonora Aero Club is a “fiction by Dellschau,” taken in context with the evidence overviewed so far, it seems premature to dismiss Dellschau outright.

According to UFO researcher Pete Navarro, who owns several Dellschau originals and co-wrote The Secrets of Dellschau: “The story of the Sonora Aero Club and their achievements had been cleverly hidden by Dellschau in his drawings using several codes and unconnected sentences hidden throughout the work. Thus, one would have to see all of the Dellschaus to understand the narrative.”

>Dellschau's artistic subjects were invariably of airships, zeppelin-like airships that were seen over Germany during the 1850s, and later during the 1880s and 1890s, principally in California, Texas and the Midwest.

During the 1850's mysterious "airships" regularly crossed the skies of Germany and just before that, probably in the year 1848, Dellschau immigrated to the US.

>Dellschau also made it clear that the Sonora Aero Club was but one such “secret society” attempting to build and fly “aeros” or airships, others being located on the east coast of the US. Furthermore, the activities of these various aerial secret societies were coordinated by a parent body in Germany bearing only the cryptic designation “NYMZA.”

The Wikipedia article also mentions that some of Dellschau's work ended up in the possession of the “DeMenil Museum.” John deMenil is remembered as a patron of the arts, but in conspiracy circles DeMenil is known for his possible connection to the JFK assassination, as alleged by the Torbitt document.

For more information on this subject I recommend NASA, Nazis & JFK: The Torbitt Document & the Kennedy Assassination.

In the interest of brevity (oops, too late!), I'll summarize by quoting Farrell:

>DeMenil was in the circle of Eastern European exiles in texas that clustered around Dallas and Houston (obvious center of America's space program), and indeed, according to Torbitt was a leader of that community and close political supporter of Lyndon Johnson.

>DeMenil, if the Torbitt document is to be believed, was a leader of the Eastern European exile community in Texas, and thus, this would have placed him in a position to know George DeMohrenschildt (Oswald's “handler” in Dallas).

>Since this community was a large component of Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen's Fremde Heer Ost, this placed DeMenil firmly within the orbit of the postwar Fascist organization, which, as the Torbitt document notes, was intimately connected to Permindex (an alleged CIA front organization linked to the JFK assassination).

For more information on these topics, I highly recommend LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy.

There's another contextual connection to Nazis, NASA and JFK:

>One of the reasons many advance for the murder of president Kennedy was his plan for a joint US-Soviet mission to the Moon, and his willingness to share whatever may have been found there. Kennedy also made direct inquiries to the CIA concerning the subject matter of UFOs, and hence, into the actual state of knowledge of the US concerning advanced science and technology.

>Many assassination researchers believe that this inquiry, plus his willingness to share information with the Soviets, was sufficient reason to get him killed, simply for the fact that with the heavy Nazi presence and influence within American black projects at that time, they would have balked at sharing their secrets with their hated Communist enemy.

As for the German Dellschau, Farrell continues by noting the uncanny resemblance between some of Dellschau's illustrated “technologies” and E.O. Lawrence's beta calutrons that wouldn't be invented for decades.

>Dellschau is depicting machinery, some of which bears too uncanny a resemblance to machines not yet officially invented, machines that, in turn, are dependent upon developments in physics that have not yet occurred.

He also referred to technical details that resembled aspects of the technology reported for the Nazi Bell, which is worth mentioning as Dellschau claimed to represent a secret society based in Germany called NYMZA, which supposedly was coordinating the secret development of airships.

>Some of Dellschau's paintings-books were purchased by DeMenil, who has connections to Lyndon Johnson, the Texas East European Exile community, and therefore deeply connected to Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen's postwar military intelligence.

>It is when these points are considered together that one must entertain the possibility that Dellschau did indeed represent some unknown group in Europe developing hidden aerial technologies, and that indeed there may be yet another, little-considered, connection to hidden technologies, groups, and the JFK assassination.

Final thoughts


It's often speculated that some of the more “fanciful” realities depicted by the entertainment industry are often based on some kernel of truth. Keeping that in mind, when I was first exposed to the 19th century airship mystery, I couldn't help but think of Bioshock Infinite, the entire premise of which is based on exotic technology powering airships in the second half of the 19th century.

I'll conclude by quoting Farrell's final thoughts:

>The propulsion methods and lift generating technologies of the airships do not appear to be conventional by any means, since both electrical systems and compressible gasses are mentioned.

>Significantly, within the same time frame, Tesla will conduct his revolutionary Colorado Springs experiments that will lead, within a decade, to his proposal for wireless transmission of electrical power, one purpose of which he envisions to be flight. This technology is suppressed by his financial backers, and similarly, the airship technology, which promised a revolution in transportation, is never publicly revealed.

>While the historical impetus for the creation of a vast system of hidden finance and alliances between private, government, Axis, and criminal components began after World War Two, this pattern of secret organizations, private finance, and government interface began on a smaller scale sometime in the 19th century, as did the perception of the possibilities of psychological operations in conjunction with it.

Perhaps it was more than just a coincidence that one of the greatest psychological operations of the 20th century occurred almost exactly fifty years after the alleged events in Aurora. For more information on this fascinating subject, I can't recommend the following enough: Roswell and the Reich: The Nazi Connection.

>What began in the 19th century as a secret airship program quickly morphed in the postwar era into a secret space program, one impelled not only by the need to reconnoiter, contain, rollback, and defeat the Soviet Union, but also by the need to discover what strange thing and entities may have been behind clearly hostile actions that were potentially threatening to the vast thermonuclear arsenals of the two superpowers.

And that, my friends, is a story for another time.