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Reddit mentions of Ontario Knife Company 8848 Rat I Folding Knife - EDC Knife (Black)
Sentiment score: 47
Reddit mentions: 78
We found 78 Reddit mentions of Ontario Knife Company 8848 Rat I Folding Knife - EDC Knife (Black). Here are the top ones.
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- Sport type: Hunting
- Open post construction for easy cleaning
- AUS-8 blade steel
- 3. 5 inch plain edge blade
- 3.5 inch plain edge blade
- Knife Closed Length: 4.5-Inch
- Knife Open Length: 8.5-Inch
- Weighs 5 ounces
Features:
Specs:
| Color | Black |
| Height | 1 Inches |
| Length | 3.5 Inches |
| Number of items | 1 |
| Release date | November 2019 |
| Weight | 0.30625 Pounds |
| Width | 1 Inches |
Personally, I would just buy one decent knife for that price. The first set looks like it includes things I already own like a nice pen and mini tool, and the knives are so similar in the second set. I don't like assisted opening either. Just my 2 cents.
The Ontario RAT has treated me well and is on Amazon for [$27] (http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1375082849&sr=8-4&keywords=ontario+knives)
Definitely the Ontario Rat 1, in my opinion. Here's the link:
Ontario 8848 RAT Folding Knife (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_2uBAwbHX4BTW9
Honorable Mention: Case knives. Traditional lockbacks. Hard as nails and pretty to boot. True pocket knives. Your grandfather (possibly great grandfather) had one. Good stuff the lot of them. $25-50 will get you a legacy knife that you can carry and use and then pass to your kid.
You don't need to spend $200 to get a quality, durable, reliable knife. I've owned all of these knives at one time or another and loved every one of them. Sure they needed sharpening more often and sometimes something a little more drastic (Sanrenmus are often cheaper to replace than fix) but the value is insane. Plus, lets face facts; we're much more likely to break out our Cadet when we get box duty than our Sebenza.
Knife enthusiasts (brothers) if there's a weighed and measured cheapo that I forgot, let me know.
$100 to spend? Lets get him started out right!
Fixed blade knife and Saw for Bushcraft tasks:
Bahco has a combo kit with a Mora fixed blade knife and a folding saw for $28.50 at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Bahco-LAP-KNIFE-Laplander-Folding-Multi-Purpose/dp/B008ZG8S0A
Folding Knife for food prep:
Add an Opinel #8 for $20: https://www.amazon.com/Opinel-Carbon-Blade-Folding-Knife/dp/B002SCUO04/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3OVY093ZE8FB9&keywords=opinel+no+8&qid=1573841922&sprefix=opinel%2Ctools%2C152&sr=8-4
or an Ontario RAT 1 for $25: https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=ontario+rat+1&qid=1573842093&sr=8-1
Axe for fire prep:
Cold Steel Trail Boss fo $32: https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Steel-CS90TA-BRK-Trail-Boss/dp/B001CZ9UY4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=21DD9KF7WOYCB&dchild=1&keywords=cold+steel+trail+boss&qid=1573842210&sprefix=cold+steel+trail%2Caps%2C154&sr=8-1
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That pretty much covers all things pointy and sharp to get him started in bushcraft for a grand total of $85.50
As he learns and develops more bushcraft skills he can upgrade when needed but this will get him started out with some solid gear.
The Ontario RAT Model 1 and the Byrd CaraCara 2 are worth looking at.
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knife-ON8848-BRK-Rat-1/dp/B0013ASG3E/
If you have a few bucks lying around, the easiest way to answer this question is to have you buy a decent knife and see for yourself how much better it is. For a nice folder in your size range, the Ontario Rat1 would be a nice start...it's only $25 (which is a very low price for a quality knife), its 3.5" blade is big enough to do most things you'll need it to do while also being legal to carry almost everywhere (in the US), it's supposed to have a buttery smooth pivot action, and it has a decent blade steel (AUS-8) as opposed to the who-knows-what in a typical gas station knife. And yes, the steel alloy does make a lot of difference, a good blade will hold a sharp edge for longer, be tough enough to withstand some abuse, be flexible enough that it doesn't shatter easily, and unlike crap "stainless" steel it will actually remain rust-free under reasonable conditions. The heat treatment of the blade also contributes to these traits, and I can guarantee that Ontario does a better heat-treat than whoever made your $7 gas station knife...which probably didn't receive any treatment. If the Rat1 isn't your style, Kershaw makes a bunch of budget-friendly (~$30) knives that are also pretty highly regarded, something like the Cryo which has spring-assisted opening or the very sexy Skyline which isn't assisted opening. And if those aren't to your liking, then Spyderco makes a couple budget folders, one of them being the Resilience which has a bigger 4.25" blade and nice G10 handles, you may like that one for the bigger size. Might wanna check the legality in your area though...
So yeah, apart from working better, a nice knife also has a much smaller chance of failing and cutting off your finger, which is the main reason that I cringe a little bit when people use bad knives...I just don't want to see someone who doesn't know any better get hurt by a knife they thought would work fine. Unfortunately, I do see plenty of knives like that around r/EDC, but maybe I just hang out in /r/knives too much.
I'm really sorry. I worry that something like this will happen whenever I approach a new music venue.
It's probably a bit heavier than your M16, but the Ontario Rat-1 is a really solid, affordable pocket knife for under $30.
It has AUS-8 steel, a broad, deep full-flat-ground blade, bronze phosphor washers in the pivot and a very solid liner-lock.
EDIT: I just remembered that Ontario recently released the Rat-2, which is both smaller and lighter than the Rat-1, and very similar in size to the CRKT M16.
Ontario Rat-2, $27.
Ontario RAT 1.
Took me a while to find a better quality knife.
get something not so expensive for your first knife. Here's why:
-Get used to it. Carrying it around, deploy and fold, cut fruit at work with it (see your co-worker's faces when you pull it out). Doing this will let you get use to having one (unfortunately, you will probably lose it).
-Use the shit out of it. cut paper, cardboard, pencils, test it out on thin twigs, branches etc.
-Sharpen it. I don't mean with some cheap easy way of doing it like with a sharpmaker; use a sharpening stone, learn the angles.
-Learn to respect it. No matter how careful you think you are, you will eventually cut yourself doing something you feel is the safe way. You will have a new appreciation for this knife.
I recommend either of these knives (learn the different ways knives can be deployed) http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Tenacious-Handle-Folding-Plain/dp/B001EI7578/ thumb hole deployment
http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-1660-Onion-Folding-SpeedSafe/dp/B0009VC9Y0 - speedsafe
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E - thumbstud
http://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-Skyline-Knife-Textured-Handle/dp/B001CZBDF8 - flip
Find how the knives also carry in your pocket (left pocket, right pocket, tip up or tip down).
These should be your first steps into getting and owning your first folding knife.
Ontario RAT 1
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374018377&sr=8-1&keywords=ontario+rat+1
Dat G19. Big enough to be a real gun, small enough to pack everywhere.
You need a better knife, though. What's "expensive" to you? $27? $35? Another one for $35
Clearing things up a bit here, what folks are trying to do is:
A) Not be rude and say that's a garbage knife. The Golden Rule of Knives as far as I'm concerned is that the best knife you have is the one you have on you when you need it. If you have nothing else - high five - that'll do.
B) If you like the skull pattern and whatnot, that's awesome - whatever floats your boat. Most knives you'll see posted here aren't as gaudy or 'mall ninja' (see /r/mallninjashit for an idea of what that means). Knives like that though generally tend to be cheap in both the materials used and the QC for the finished product.
C) There are much better knives you could purchase for $35. Where did you even find that for $35? I wasn't able to find it on Amazon for that price and, relative to what I was seeing listed there, that knife should be ~<$20.
The Spyderco Tenacious is $35 from Amazon right now and is a great starting knife. Some options from Kershaw include the Leek, Skyline or a variety of other models. Someone also mentioned the Ontario Rat 1 which I don't have experience with myself, but is a widely loved knife at the price point. You can also check the $0-100 suggested knife guide for more options.
TL;DR: I don't want to make you feel bad for having that knife, but the $35 could have gotten you better steel, ergonomics and end product quality spent elsewhere.
yeah, buy one of these instead.
The Ontario RAT1 might be a good choice for your first blade. It's an incredibly good knife for the price. Check out the reviews. I highly recommend it, it's a great value:
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1418727072&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=rat1
If you want something with a cord/strap cutter feature, you might like the SOG Trident:
http://www.amazon.com/SOG-Specialty-Knives-TF22-CP-3-15-Inch/dp/B004WN59KW/ref=sr_1_44?s=hunting-fishing&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1418726833&amp;sr=1-44&amp;keywords=SOG+Knives
Kershaw is another brand you might like, there are many great models in your price range. There are other good choices out there as well. Check out the sidebar for the Knife Recommendation Guide
Here are my personal essentials.
Also, you're going to want a sharpening system that works for you in the long run. I personally use the Spyderco Sharpmaker But there are tons of good sharpening options out there.
P.S: You're going to get a lot of people hating on your Gerbers most likely, that's because they're honestly not worth it in the long run. They use very low quality steel for the price and they don't have the best quality control. I'm not saying your Gerbers are trash or anything. But they definitely won't last very long. Just about all of the knives I listed will last you a lifetime if you treat them right, and oil/sharpen them correctly.
Ontario RAT 1 in D2.
Damn it, I do always suggest a RAT. Oh, well, it's a damn good knife, and you can also pick up the AUS-8 version for like 20 bucks, too!
Edit: Added links. And it's like 26 bucks for the AUS-8 version on amazon.com. My bad.
Lol, alright for example:
There are a LOT more suggestions I could add...
I just bought a Ontario Rat-1 based on some positive reviews from friends. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013ASG3E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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24 bucks is not a bad deal. My go to carry are Benchmade Griptilian 550s and want to see how these stack up.
Well heres a list of some from amazon.
Hope that helps!
PS if you aren't sure about your knife laws check out this PDF just scroll to your state and check. Also /r/Knives can probably help you if you have more specific questions about knives. Although going to that sub-reddit will also probably mean spending more than $30 so be forewarned.
I was thinking something similar.
1 Ontario 8848 RAT
2 Kershaw Chill (A bit slimmer, lighter, and sleeker than the Clash)
3 CRKT Drifter G10
I just bought the Chill, and I love it! At 1.9 oz, it's half the weight of the Clash. The locking system is nice and smooth. I loosened the tension a little so I don't need to flick my wrist, just a quick trigger pull on the tab. So far, nothing I can complain about.
The Ontario RAT1 and [Spyderco Tenacious] (http://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Tenacious-Handle-Folding-Plain/dp/B001EI7578) are great knives in the $30 range that can accomplish all the activities you have listed without an issue.
This list and thread from the sidebar lists many good suggestions as well.
Swiss Army Knife
Kershaw method
Kershaw Westin
Ganzo FH-11
Byrd Medowlark 2
Opinel #8
Ontario Rat 1
All of these are going to last longer and perform better than the MTech. In terms of appearance and esthetics, nobody is going to look askance if you pull out a Swiss army knife or an opinel. Flicking your mtech will likely be a different story. You should carry what you enjoy, but understand that conventional wisdom is going to look down on the appearance and, if they know about knives, the MTech brand. If you go with the Mtech, don't trust the lock too much and don't be surprised if the assist mechanism breaks.
Your intended type, volume, and roughness of use, and your sharpening willingness and skills will play a role in what knife and steel you get, though the cheaper you go, you lose some options. Do you want a folding knife or would you consider a fixed blade? Do you know how long a blade you might like? I think about 3.5" is basically "full" size in folding knives, with 3.0" being medium and particularly EDC-friendly, while smaller than that gets into mini territory. Lots of options in all sizes, plus big bigger ones. Are you a drop point guy? A reverse tanto blade shape guy? Spear point? Clip point? And do you prefer a liner lock, frame lock, axis lock, other lock? Do you prefer to open via thumb stud, front flipper, rear flipper, assisted open? Do you want plastic, rubber, G10, CF, metal, or something else on the handle? Do you want clip options for left carry, right carry, tip up, or tip down? Do you care if it's heavier? Do you need ultralight? Average weight?
Just searching Amazon for Ganzo (or Sanrenmu) will give you a bevy of cheap options, many of which look suspiciously familiar.
If you've got an extra four bucks and change and would prefer something American made and smaller, you can get the knife community's go-to recommendation for a great deal on a reliable smallish-midsize workhorse, the Ontario Rat 2. Get a ruler and imagine what you'd think of a 7 inch knife with a 4 inch handle an a 3 inch blade. Watch some review videos to get a better idea of size. A nice bonus is four-way reversible pocket clip for your choice of left/right and tip-up/tip-down carry. This cheaper version is in AUS-8 steel, which is easier to sharpen but holds an edge less well than the more expensive and harder to sharpen D2 version, which gets up closer to $40.. And at that price you could bump up to the larger Rat 1 in D2 if you wanted to for a buck or two more, though we're trying to hit $20 here. That one's got a 3.625" blade for 8.625" overall.
Anyway if you can answer some of the questions in the first paragraph, it will help people narrow things down for you and give you better recommendations. What would your ideal knife have? Fill in the blanks on fixed/folding, blade length, blade shape, handle material, open type, lock type, pocket clip preferences, and anything else like color, weight, etc.
And check out /r/Ganzo_Knives and /r/BudgetBlades for additional ideas.
Here are some affordable options.
Ontario 8848 RAT Folding Knife (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_7ziUub1K4FP48
Spyderco Tenacious G-10 Handle Folding Plain Edge Knife https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EI7578/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_OAiUub1JC6EFZ
JETBeam BA10 XPG Cree LED Flashlight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004UG51OK/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_pBiUub02WTDZZ
Fenix LD09 130 Lumen LED Tactical Flashlight with EdisonBright AA Alkaline battery https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MB1MJFA/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_YIiUub0M7RSYV
My favorite under-50 knife is the Spyderco Tenacious. They make a couple of smaller knives at a similar price point too.
Ontario Rat is another good value - about $25 - good tough knife for outdoor stuff.
If you're spending $100, most well known brands will be sharp and strong. The rest depends on taste and preference. But a few options
Triad lock is really tough, CTS-XHP is a great steel. Cold Steel knives always come razor sharp, and are known for being indestructible.
And most likely every person reading this will have another knife to recommend. It's a lot about personal preference. What look do you like, what lock do you like.
edit; Thanks kind stranger for the gold!
Don't get a Skyline, they look nice but feel like a wonky butter knife, and they don't fit your size requirements anyway.
Here are some superior options:
Ontario RAT-1 ($26.88, amazon)
Ontario Utilitac 2 ($24.95, knifecenter)
[Bee EL-01](http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Enlan-EL-01A-Folding-
Camping/dp/B00CFX38DG) ($18.95, amazon)
Cold Steel Voyager Large ($43.35, amazon)
Spyderco Resilience ($40.98, amazon)
If you don't mind buying an evil counterfeit, you could also try a carbon fiber, uh, let's call it a Chinderer, with cf from here ($22.99, aliexpress)
One of the many Kershaw Chinese made knives, like the Tremor or the Scamp. A Buck Vantage Select. You might find an Ontario Rat 1 for under $25 if you search around.
There are also several Chinese brands that are pretty cheap and very decent quality, you can find on ebay, or http://www.exduct.com.
For fixed blade if you are gonna be using the knife for hard use then I would not recommend a folder. I'm more knowledgeable on folders so someone else may find a better choice. If they don't, this is still a very solid choice, I have never had one, but I did have an izula (which is very similar).
For folder I would go with the Ontario rat, they make this is d2 blade steel which would be better and they make a smaller version (rat 2) but any version of this knife you choose will be the best for the money.
Another fixed blade that is similar to picture is this Schrade. Schrade usually isn't the best company but 1095 is definitely a cheap, good steel. With the blade thickness and steel, I would trust this knife any day.
A RAT, a Tenacious, an Opinel, or a Cryo are the usual choices. What's wrong with 8cr13mov steel? It's not the best but for sub $30, it'll get the job done.
If you want a folder, the Rat by the Ontario Knife Company is definitely a great choice.
Just read some reviews. For $27 you are getting a ridiculously well made knife.
bump. this guy knows his knives. i kept loosing my knives at airports, so went with a cheaper, but SUPER quality knife, ontario rat:
$30
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B0013ASG3E/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_200_tr_cr_0?ie=UTF8&amp;refRID=3QJH32Y3V2YZD5N55YYP
You should pick up a few high value knives for the money. Here are a few that are worth way more than their price tag:
Mora Companion - this blade is incredibly useful for camp tasks and bushcraft projects, very strong even though it's not full tang (I've never heard of one breaking).
Ontario RAT Model 1 - This is one of the best folders I've used, at any price. For $26 you won't find a better knife.
Utilitac 2 - This knife comes in a ton of different styles, made by Ontario like the RAT, and of equally high quality. These knives are built like tanks, and can take abuse.
Schrade SCHF9 - Unlike the Mora, this knife is a huge chunk of steel. I doubt you could break it with a hammer to be honest, so if you're tastes run towards the bigger camp knife, this is it.
This is a popular "gets the job done" knife.
Very sturdy lil dude.
I am a Kershaw fan for sure. However, for that price point, I can make no higher recommendation than the Ontario Rat 1
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
It has a larger blade of similar if not better quality and is a beast of a deal.
Victornox makes pretty dang good knives at a great price. I would also recommend the RAT 1 as a great, incredibly solid knife. It is, however, a rather heavy duty knife, so if you are looking for something a little lighter I'd recommend browsing THIS budget knife list for one you like best.
Ontario RAT 1 - great knife with great reviews: full 5 stars on 149 reviews.
I just bought one myself and am very impressed with it. Rock solid with great blade steel (AUS 8) with a Rockwell C hardness around 56.
Even cheaper option also on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?m=A7YKYHW74EYRO&amp;s=sporting-goods&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1502742197&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=rat
i just bought a few ~25 dollar knives and ended up liking the ontario rat 2 the best.
comes highly recommended in /r/knifeclub
What do you use the Skeletool most for?
If you use the knife on it constantly and daily, then yeah, get a good knife. If the stuff that you do cut makes you nervous with the Skeletool then definitely get a dedicated knife.
If you use the bit driver or pliers on the Skeletool the most then you probably don't need to carry a dedicated knife.
Give the Sage 5 a good look as well if you are considering the Para3. I'd also strongly recommend finding a Spyderco/Benchmade/Zero Tolerance dealer and fondling a bunch of knives before making a decision on which knife to buy.
If you have never carried a dedicated knife before it would be a good idea to buy a cheaper knife or two before spending $100+ on a knife.
Could try something like the Spyderco Byrd Cara Cara 2:
https://www.amazon.com/Spyderco-Cara2-Lightweight-black-PlainEdge/dp/B0049AYJP4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499523866&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=Byrd+Cara+Cara2
The Ontario Rat I/II
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knife-Sp-Black-Folding-7Inches/dp/B00BBPAOCW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499523684&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=ontario+rat+2
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499523956&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;keywords=ontario+rat+1&amp;psc=1
Kershaw Cryo
https://www.amazon.com/Kershaw-1555TI-SpeedSafe-Folding-Knife/dp/B0074FI28Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499523664&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=kershaw+cryo
CRKT Squid
https://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-Tool-Folding/dp/B00TFY39EQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499524020&amp;sr=1-1&amp;keywords=crkt+squid
Try some under $30 knives, pick one that looks like something you would like to carry, and pick something that is dang near the polar opposite. It will let you know what you like in a knife much cheaper. Differences in blade size, blade shape, handle shape and how they are used might change your opinion on what you think you need in a knife after using a dedicated knife for awhile. After that you can make a truly informed decision on a high-end knife.
If you like kershaw you can get a blur with S30v steel for around 65$ on amazon if you still want a kershaw. I've never been too impresed with them since I find their build quality to be lacking. They seem to have an excessive amount of blade play and use average quality steels in most of their knives. The a premium steel that can hold a razor sharp working edge. The spyderco delica/endura line is also a great knife. They have full flat ground blades that come razor sharp from the factory with absolutlely no blade play. I personally carry a green delica as one of my edc knives. The dragonfly is also great if you want a knife that dissapears on your person. it is a featherweight knife, that cuts and handles like a much larger knife.
If you are looking for a knife that can take an absolutely harsh beating, I would have to reccomend an Ontario RAT 1 or 2 depending on you size preference. They are a bit heavy in hand compared to other knives it size, but perform just as good as any of my spydercos. It is also on the cheaper side at around 25$.
The benchmades are also a good choice, but I would also reccomend the benchmade mini-presidio.
Anyways, I thought I might as well just post some links to them:
S30v Kershaw Blur
Benchmade Mini Presidio
[Benchmade Griptillian] (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Q9BOF0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&amp;colid=2Q6YQ3PL1NNYW&amp;coliid=I1IO3PSF8569TW)
Benchmade Mini Griptillian (I prefer thumb hole openers, but both griptillians also are offered with combo edges and thumb studs.)
Spyderco Dragonfly
Spyderco Delica
Spyderco Endura
Ontario RAT 1
Ontario RAT 2
> Ontario RAT1
to be clear, this knife? http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E i kind of wanted a flipper with the little edge that you push down with your index finger. i've liked using those. does this RAT open by flicking your wrist?
I'll give you some options here instead of just one choice.
This CRKT is a wonderful tool.
If you'd like another Spyderco you can't go wrong with a Dragonfly or a Centofante III.
If you've never got a Kershaw they're killer knives for the price. The Leek is a great introduction.
Or, you could buy 2 knives with your fifty. Ontario's RAT I and RAT II are some sweet knives.
Depending on your taste. You simply cannot go wrong with any of these knives.
They're both in 8cr13mov and people really underestimate them for it. It's actually a very easily maintained steel but watch out for the Clash and its bead blasted finish; it'll rust on you easily. The Freefall is stonewashed so you won't have that problem.
Honestly I'd probably prefer a [kershaw chill](http://www.amazon.ca/Kershaw-3410-Chill-Pocket-Knife/dp/B002IVHQ5Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1398139713&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=kershaw+chill] in that range for its blade geometry. It's mostly flat ground and it will make for noticeably better slicing capability. (even though it is also bead blasted)
Otherwise it'd be good to pony up ten more bucks and get a Rat II
Rat I on Amazon ($27.03):
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1510507787&amp;sr=8-1-spons&amp;keywords=ontario+rat+2&amp;psc=1
Rat II on Amazon ($26.83):
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-Knife-Sp-Black-Folding-7Inches/dp/B00BBPAOCW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1510507787&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=ontario+rat+2&amp;dpID=41oOxKQBsuL&amp;preST=_SX300_QL70_&amp;dpSrc=srch
Seems like with a knife this inexpensive it is a no-brainer to get it new. Just my two cents. Good luck with your search.
Try doing some more research before criticizing the choices of others. Gerber makes some good knives and some shit knives. BG falls under the category of shit knives.
A good example of a much higher quality knife with a much more reasonable price is the Ontario RAT 1. Better steel, better build quality, better price, better knife.
If you're willing to spend $5 more, the Ontario Rat 1 in AUS-8 steel is an incredible value. It's a really impressive little folder for the price.
I was browsing camelcamelcamel and saw the link to it here.
http://camelcamelcamel.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/product/B0013ASG3E?active=price_amazon&amp;amp;context=popular
Looks like it saves a couple bucks which is always a good thing.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013ASG3E
Here's a few of my favorite budget knives. Can't go wrong with any of them! I don't have any to trade otherwise I gladly would. Here's some amazon links, all prices include free shipping (and Amazon is the best.)
Spyderco Tenacious($40): http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001EI7578/ref=mp_s_a_1_sc_1?qid=1408631106&amp;sr=8-1-spell&amp;pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
Ontario RAT Model 1($27): http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013ASG3E/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1408631239&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=SY200_QL40
Kershaw Thermite($25): http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BNPUX94/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1408631306&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=SX200_QL40
Kershaw Cryo($25): http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0074FI28Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr0_1?qid=1408631380&amp;sr=8-1-fkmr0&amp;pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
No problem! If blade length is not an issue then I’d recommend the Kershaw Cryo, which comes in many varieties and has a flipper. Or try your hand at the Ontario Rat 1 which is very easy and smooth to open. It is deployed by thumb stud though but it’s probably far smoother than how to Funxion opens.
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/
I actually have a good knife already that I carry daily. The Ontario Rat is a cheap option for me that I use quite often for work. Its not serrated so I don't have to mess with too hard of upkeep or care and it holds its sharpness very well. It's 3.5 inches, which isn't that huge, but just below my schools carry ordinance.
RAT-1 may fit the bill for you.
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
Amazon.
Ontario Rat-1 is a great cheap knife that can take a thrashing and keep cutting.
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
For what it's worth, my brother had the same needs as he works on a college campus and I got him an Ontario RAT 1. Another great traditional looking knife is the Buck 110BRS Lockback Folder, it's a classic style and has no tac-appeal to it at all.
Rotary Tool- https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Woodworker-51832-Rotary-100-Piece/dp/B0065UXX08/ref=sr_1_19?s=power-hand-tools&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482834981&amp;sr=1-19&amp;keywords=rotary+tool
Rat - https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_3?s=power-hand-tools&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482835636&amp;sr=1-3&amp;keywords=ontario+rat
Opinel- https://www.amazon.com/Opinel-No8-Carbon-Pocket-Knife/dp/B002SCUO04/ref=sr_1_2?s=power-hand-tools&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482835690&amp;sr=1-2&amp;keywords=opinel
Micro mesh - https://www.amazon.com/Micro-Mesh-Assortment-Pack-18-Pieces/dp/B00HJC156U/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482835463&amp;sr=8-9&amp;keywords=sanding+pack
I'm a big fan of the Ontario Knife Co. RAT-1, OP.
https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
The build quality is pretty good, the blade is easy to maintain, and the handle is easy to grip, which is a gripe I have against the Cryo (I have one and love it) since my hands are wide.
The classic ontario rat 1 is a good start (check out nutnfancy's review of this knife on youtube)
Edit: Added a review suggestion.
Personally, I'd rather have a RAT folder from Ontario than a Skyline, and it's half the price.
I carry a Spyderco Endura 4 personally, and they only run about $55-65. I've been carrying it for close to a decade and I do not regret my decision at all. I do kind of want a flat ground version though....but it wouldn't retire my saber ground partially serrated, it would just supplement it.
Yes, carbon usually has a much more significant edge stability. However, since you're not using it often, carbon represents quite a bit of maintenance (it will rust). Even with oil, if it's in long term storage, it tends to get small spots of rust that need to be polished off. If you use it frequently, rust usually isn't a huge issue. Long-term storage is where the rust really becomes a problem. Snow could present more issues with rust, but I haven't had to deal with that in my climate setting.
If you have a honing rod, that should fix a rolled edge better than a pull-through sharpener. But a knife is no knife at all without a properly sharpened edge.
Since it seems like you're not doing heavy woodwork...maybe a folder would be best for you.
For minimal maintenance, good edge retention, and as long as you're not doing heavy wood work, try the BRK Avispa or Zancudo (links go to Amazon). Alternatively the OKC RAT and RAT II are essentially the same knives but with different styling. I believe these are all in AUS-8 Stainless Steel and have pretty hard edges. The edge should last a while with no sharpening (use your honing rod, though). The Avispa and RAT 1 are both quite large--I think the blades are about 4 inches long. The Zancudo and RAT II have ~2.5 inch blades and are much better suited for every day carry.
Opinels are great for culinary applications, but I don't personally like them for woodworking. Great for spreading cheese, and cutting summer sausages though! I also don't entirely trust the locking mechanism. But they are super cool knives. The stainless loses its edge very quickly to rolling.
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Do you mind me asking: what is your version of 'flashy'?
http://www.amazon.ca/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
Sorry, can't recommend a good axe, let alone one to EDC. The little I know about axes is from Wranglerstar on Youtube.
As for knives, how much money are you willing to spend and what sort of tasks will the knife primarily be used for? Cutting threads off your t-shirts? Have yourself a little $39 Leek. Yes, another Kershaw. Get over it. Kershaw makes affordable knives for a variety of tasks.
Don't want a Kershaw still? Well, the OKC Rat-1 in $24 AUS8 or $44 D2. There's also the $22 OKC Utiliac. How about the very simple $29 Victorinox Cadet? The $31 Cold Steel Finn Wolf? The $44 Kizer Vanguard?
I own all of these knives, some of them for a lot longer than others. All of which are nice at a fair price. In that $40-$50 range you start getting the Spyderco Tenacious, Kershaw Blur (personally I think it's one of the best value knives and I recently damn near stole one from Amazon for $35), and the nicer CRKT M-16s. You might be able to fine a Spyderco Delica for ~$60.
RAT - Ontario Knives
This really is a very good pocket knife!!
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;redirect=true&amp;ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
Ontario Rat folder, $29, was just recommended in another thread and I've bookmarked it to buy in the future. Looks good.
In that price range, I'd recommend something made by Kershaw, the Spyderco Tenacious, or an Ontario Rat. if you give me more criteria I can narrow down the suggestions as well.
That's crazy. Everywhere in Europe? I use my flip knife many times every single day because of the quick one hand operation. I love my little Victorinox pocket knife but it is too slow and tedious to dig out of my pocket and pry open with two hands for what I want to do.
> skyline
Ontario Rat is excellent and cheaper by a few bucks.
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I'm confused, isn't this the same thing? https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E
Are these what you're referring to - [Ontario Rat](https://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2? amd the ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8CAA01P0370Z040V1D22) and the Rat 2?
I would like a partially serrated blade but this looks great and have awesome reviews. Do you own on of the RATs and if so do they hold up pretty well?
Now I just need to find a good sharpening setup besides my 4 stone sets.
The Ontario RAT 1, or Rat 2 are both right near your price range, and the quality is similar to a $75-$100 Knife. Highly recommended by tons of people. I got the RAT1 a couple of weeks ago, and I am blown away by the quality.
http://www.amazon.com/Ontario-8848-Folding-Knife-Black/dp/B0013ASG3E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1407954137&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=rat1
A little late to the party... You are following the same trajectory as me. I'm just now expanding into fixed blades, but before you put the brakes on budget folders you should check out a few more options.
The Coast FX350 (9cr18mov, G-10, frame lock, 3-position clip) is a beauty for under $20. The BX315 (9cr18mov, rubberized handle, lock back) is great for wet work and is currently selling for just under $15—it has a sheath instead of a clip because the large rubberized grip doesn't slide in and out of pockets very well. The BX315 also has a little brother, the BX300.
If you like the Kershaw Link's profile then you should try a Flock (8cr13mov, FRN, tip-up clip) that's going for $15. It is a dealer exclusive that was poorly marketed and escaped most people's notice. Probably one of the best Kershaw deals going right now.
Spyderco's Spy-DK is currently selling for $30. It's a special non-locking model for Denmark knife laws. It's old school slip joint action but you get a N690Co blade that is a step up from their more expensive budget folders.
Back to fixed blades...
As I mentioned in another comment, Schrade is a good place to start for budget fixed blades—check out the SCHF36 Frontier for under $30. One thing to note is many fixed blades in this category are going to use 1095 steel which typically requires some maintenance, but most are powder coated to address this. Don't let 1095 scare you away from some nice options.
Now, I know you are looking for budget knives but there is a mid-range option that you may want on your wishlist. If you have an Ontario Rat folder (which you should) then you might want to compliment it with a Rat 3, 5, or 7. Like I said, I wouldn't consider Ontario fixed blades as 'budget' but they're a bargain compared to brands like Tops.
I hope this helps and have fun exploring, this rabbit hole runs DEEP.