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Found 4 comments on Records of the Grand Historian: Qin Dynasty:

u/FraudianSlip · 3 pointsr/ChineseHistory

Well, the Cambridge History of China is a great resource, but I don't know if you can find that in eBook form or not. Those tomes cover just about everything you'd need.

If you're interested in modern Chinese history, The Search for Modern China is an excellent book.

For the Song dynasty: The Age of Confucian Rule, and Daily Life in China on the Eve of the Mongol Invasion. Just remember that the books can't cover everything, so occasionally they oversimply - particularly Kuhn's book and its overemphasis on Confucianism.

Oh, and one more recommendation for now: the Shi Ji (Records of the Grand Historian).

u/dreadnough7 · 2 pointsr/AskHistorians

Guo Qin lun (过秦论) (dissertation on the errors of Qin) was a memo by Jia Yi (贾谊) submitted to Emperor Wen, part of it was quoted by the widely popular Sima Qian in his annal of the First Emperor. Wikisource has a copy of Guo Qin lun in its entirety here https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/過秦論

It is an interesting and highly influential document to later days Confucians, but highly biased -- Jia Yi was an early Confucian with a streak of legalist. He believed that only a strong, highly centralized state like Qin could maintain the peace for "all under heaven", but at the same time, he believed Qin's unpopular policies, namely legalist practices caused erosion in morality, caused its down fall rather than multiple other probable dispassionate causes.

How did Qin rise and fall? If you go by the traditional narrative (that adheres closely to official history of the period, completed about a century after the fall of Qin -- Shiji (史记) by Sima Tan and Sima Qian, father and son) , Qin was a state at the edge of "civilization" sliding into semi-barbarity until it enacted reforms proposed by legalist Shang Yang (商鞅). Three key reforms were: administrative, taxation, and the rule of law -- feudal yi (邑) were converted into prefects (xian (县)) with officials appointed directly by the court, ancient practice of jingtian (井田) was replaced by direct taxation, and harsh laws were used to terrorize the populace into behaving. Qin was transformed almost over night, the subjugated populace was turned into discipline fighting units, combined with its geographical advantages, belligerent leaders with expansionist mindset, Qin slowly strangled first its neighboring states and then inevitably conquered them all. However, the ruthlessness and its lack of humanity (ren) and righteousness (yi) of those policies, combined with the emphasis on manipulating the wording of the law to produce results that pleased their superiors, which turned the officials into a bunch of "wordsmiths" that unable to report the truth, resulted in Qin's rapid disintegration.

I can tell you that it's much more interesting to dissect the plausible causes of Qin's rise (and subsequently its fall), but that requires going quite deep into the rabbit hole that was Warring States China, with the three Jin states in particular; with a reassessment of diplomatic machination of the period. But that would take longer than just an essay and may be you only want the traditional narrative.

For prime sources, there aren't that many to draw on:

  1. Shiji, Annal of Qin, Annal of The First Emperor, Hereditary house of Wei, Zhao, Han, Che, biographies of Wei Ran, Shang Yang, Li Si, et al (I recommend reading directly in classical Chinese at zh.wikisources.org, but if you can't, Burton Watson translated all the Qin-related section https://www.amazon.com/Records-Grand-Historian-Qin-Dynasty/dp/0231081693/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487540117&sr=8-1&keywords=Burton+Watson+Qin)
  2. Zizhi Tongjian, book 1-10.
  3. Zhushu Jinian, Jin and Wei section.

    Other sources: Zhanguo ce, Guoyu
u/questi0nablequesti0n · 1 pointr/philosophy

There's always "The Records of the Grand Historian" by Sima Qian. May as well go with the original.

u/Afhej · 1 pointr/history

Never got around to reading the whole thing, but I recommend it! Although it’s a bit pricey.... it’s worth the read, especially if you’re genuinely interested in early Chinese history.