Reddit mentions of The Deadliest Lies: The Israel Lobby and the Myth of Jewish Control

> That’s a serious reach. And a bit of a pathetic one. Don’t accuse me of condoning or endorsing antisemitism because I’m not on the AIPAC train. So if you need clarity, here it is: you’re way off the fucking mark. And I do take that bullshit personally and seriously.

I literally laid out what she said and you said it wasn't a problem "when it comes to AIPAC". Don't blame me for what you said.

> Your apparent concern that I don’t support AIPAC or Israel’s government seems to have resulted in you missing that I’ve made stark differentiations between those and the people.

Literally no one is claiming you conflate the two. I'm pointing out that you're fine with trafficking in antisemitic tropes.

She could not have been referring to AIPAC "paying off" Congress, because AIPAC cannot make these payments as a matter of law. She used it as a stand-in for Jews.

> It’s not a “non answer”. It’s just an answer you don’t like. It would be the same as yelling “islamophobia” at people who disagree with CAIR, which I’m sure you would be able to figure out

If I said CAIR was paying off members of Congress to support Palestinians, it would be the same thing. I'd be using CAIR as a stand-in for Muslims, because CAIR literally cannot be making those payments. I'd be identifying them based on one thing: their Muslim identity.

That's bigotry.

>foreignpolicyjournal

1. You are now linking to a source (not to be confused with Foreign Policy) that hosts 9/11 truthers claiming the US perpetrated and/or covered up 9/11. The author you cite claims it's a problem to have dual citizenship (though not illegal, he assures us), and only singles out Jewish-Americans in his piece beyond the first paragraph. He's literally claiming Jewish-Americans could be loyal to Israel despite serving in the US Congress. That's the guy you're quoting. On a website run by a dude who himself thinks 9/11 was an inside job.
   
   
2. $3 million for annual lobbying is "considerable resources"? Does this dude know anything? The Open Society Policy Center, an anti-Israel and left-wing group run by George Soros, spent $31 million in 2018. If someone claimed that they "bought off" Ilhan Omar, I'd sure as fuck call them out too. What a stupid argument.
   
   
3. Directing funding to candidates is really not determinative of...anything. $14 million was donated nationwide along those lines in 2018. The top recipient was Bob Menendez, with just $546k in 2018. He spent over $13 million on his campaign in 2018. That means less than 5% of his money came from pro-Israel sources. You really think that's what convinced him of anything?
   
   >The Israel Lobby
   
   Oh good, more quoting antisemites to justify antisemitism!
   
   John Mearsheimer wrote a book defending and endorsing a Hitler apologist and Holocaust denier. Stephen Walt backed him up.
   
   He also endorsed Ron Unz, who runs a white supremacist website.
   
   Their book is riddled with factual errors, as historian Benny Morris (considered one of the best historians on the Arab-Israeli conflict out there) points out. They repeatedly cite Morris, who wrote:
   
   > Like many pro-Arab propagandists at work today, Mearsheimer and Walt often cite my own books, sometimes quoting directly from them, in apparent corroboration of their arguments. Yet their work is a travesty of the history that I have studied and written for the past two decades. Their work is riddled with shoddiness and defiled by mendacity.
   
   An entire book length response points out all of its errors.
   
   Every assertion made there has no factual information behind it, just claims.
   
   >The New Yorker
   
   AIPAC didn't have to "persuade" anyone. Congress opposed it because in 2011 Americans were about 4x as likely to support Israel as the Palestinians. 63% of Americans supported Israel, while only 17% supported the Palestinians. That's still the case today.
   
   Saying AIPAC bought off politicians is different from saying they convinced people, too. Stop conflating the two. For someone so particular about differentiations, you're really bad at answering anything I say without conflating things.
   
   > They lobby. It’s what they do. And yes, they use money just like other lobby groups. Yes, they’re powerful and yes they have a blatant agenda. If that’s inconvenient, then I’m not sure what to say. Sorry? Are you actually surprised that people who don’t like the Israeli governments actions against Gaza and Palestine would be critical of AIPAC? Or is it just easier to call them antisemitic because it’s an easy way to rationalize the disbelief that people wouldn’t support it?
   
   I'm sorry, are you surprised that people using antisemitic stereotypes you're trying to paper over are disliked and criticized, like Ilhan Omar is?
   
   Are you upset that Americans support Israel because they don't like the Palestinian policy of paying salaries to terrorists for rewards for killing Jews?
   
   Do you really think it's fine to claim that the only reason America supports Israel in Congress is because AIPAC "pays off" politicians, instead of because Americans support Israel, which they see as an ally?
   
   Stop trying to find ways to excuse antisemitism by relying on the words of 9/11 truthers, antisemites, and apologists for Holocaust deniers. Jesus.