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Found 1 comment on The Myth of the Military-Nation: Militarism, Gender, and Education in Turkey:

u/Nikolasv · 3 pointsr/greece

I just want to contextualize this since I think it is a Turk asking, and oftentimes Turks like to cite such chants out of context and act like it trumps the official and continual territorial violations, challenges and stunts of their government. Here is what everyday simple Greek citiziens living in Greece, who happen to be Turkish ultra-nationalists(or are young kids being indoctrinated) have been caught on video threatening and saying, and note that these are more real, specific and concrete threats than what the Greek elite soldiers are chanting:
>Τουρκική" Ένωση Ξάνθης(Turkish with Greek subtitles) @ the 3:17 min. mark:
>Abdulhalim Dede(journalist)/Αμπντουλχαλίμ Ντεντέ: In our villages we know exactly who votes for the giaours(infidels). How come we do not isolate them socially and punish them to see if they dare to vote for Sgouride(Greek politician who earlier in his tirade of hate he castigates as an enemy of Turkey) for Kondo, and for their mothers!(My translation and again this is Turkish->Greek->English)

There is also this video that exposes what the allegedly oppressed Turkish minority is taught in mosques in Greece:
>ΤΟΥΡΚΙΚA ΠΑΡΑΛΗΡΗΜΑTA ΕΘΝΙΚΙΣΤΙΚΟΥ ΜΙΣΟΥΣ ΣΤΗ ΘΡΑΚΗ, ΔΙΧΩΣ ΚΑΜΜΙΑ ΑΝΤΙΔΡΑΣΗ(Again Turkish with Greek subtitles) @ the 4:04 min mark:
>Islamo-Kemalist male child: I love you very much my Turkey! With you I will laugh, with you I will cry! ... If you need be, for you I will gladly die!
>mini hijabbed Turkish ninja child: The traitors who do not say they are Turks! ... Do not force us, this land is ours! Western Thrace is ours! ...

Those are just simple Turkish kids and a Turkish journalist posing as a human rights crusader. The Greeks making those chants belong to elite volunteer military units that will be expected to go to war or likely be involved if Turkey pulls another Imia stunt. In Turkey there is a popular myth that is actually believed that goes, "every Turk is a born soldier." You can find more about that in the work: The Myth of the Military-Nation: Militarism, Gender, and Education in Turkey. What these Greek special forces are saying is actually not very different than what average Turks say or believe. You cannot let Turks enter fora and act like those OYK chants are so uniquely condemnable by taking advantage of the naive leftism and anti-nationalism of many Greeks. Here is an excerpt from that work:
>Sabiha Gökçen, one of Ataturk's adopted daughters, participated in the Dersim Operation in 1937 and became the first woman combat pilot in the world. In her memoirs, she writes about Ataturk's response to her success in the operation upon her return to Ankara: "I am proud ol you. Gökçen! And not just me, the whole Turkish nation that has been following this incident very closely is proud of you. ... We are a military-nation. From ages seven to seventy, women and men alike, we have been created as soldiers." (Gökçen 1996. 125-126)

>Halil Inalcik. a highly-respected historian of the Ottoman Empire and Turkey, wrote an article in 1964. titled "Osmanlı Devrinde Türk Ordusu" (The Turkish Military in the Ottoman Period) where he argued that "the Turkish nation has conserved its military-nation characteristic from the beginning of history till today" and that Turks are used to living as hakim (dominant) and efendi (master). İnalcık 1964. 56. This article appeared in the journal Türk Kültürü (Turkish Culture) and was re-printed in the same journal in 1972 and in 1994.

>In 1937, Hasan-Ali Yücel, a parliamentarian and educator who later served as the Minister of Education for eight years (1938-1946) collected some of his writings in a volume where he recited the following story: When a general of the Turkish Army told him, partly joking, that he would not let anyone who is not a soldier kiss his hand. Yücel felt offended: "Is there a Turk who is not a soldier? I am a soldier, too, my dear Pasha." (Yücel 1998, 39)

>As the utterances of Turkey's legendary leader, most famous historian, and the most celebrated (and remembered) Minister of Education make clear, the idea that the Turkish nation is a military-nation (ordu-millett or asker-ulus)1 is one of the foundational myths of Turkish nationalism. The popular saying. "Her Türk asker doğar" (every Turk is born a soldier) is repeated in daily conversations, school textbooks, the speeches of public officials and intellectuals, and is used as a drill slogan during military service. Its legitimacy goes without saying. In this chapter, my aim is to attempt a genealogy of the term military-nation and discuss the making of the myth that "the Turkish nation is a military-nation.""

>Altinay, Ayse Gul. Myth Of The Military Nation. (Palgrave, 2004; 1st Edition) p. 13.