(Part 3) Best products from r/BudgetAudiophile

Someone yesterday asked about $200 speakers. I'll just copy and paste that here, but I'll change one thing. I recommend the fluance signature series if you're spending that much money. Also, save up and get a Dayton sub 1000. Enjoy:

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I'll make a list of stuff you need. For the best "bang for your buck" in the $200ish price range.

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Speaker wire. Amazon Basics makes great stuff. If you want, you can get 100 feet of it for an extra $2 I think. You can get those monoprice banana plugs if you want. They just help if you're going to be switching speakers around a lot.

Simple wire stripper. Should work just fine.

Cable to plug it in. That'll just plug the amp into a computer. And that cable is amazing quality. For real. I don't know what it is about it, but the moment I touched that cable I knew it was special. This isn't a joke either. You'll understand when you get one. Trust me.

50 watt per channel amp. This thing will be more than enough. I just like it because it is open box, so cheap. The same one new on amazon is $65. If you want to order from amazon, you can just get the smsl sa-36a. Same amp, just 20 watts per channel. Which, again, is plenty.

[Here's that cheaper smsl amp] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017W13OR0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_U2NSBbTRHGFS5). I've got a few of them. They're great. This is what I'd go for if the other one is sold out.

Cheap but good little amp. I don't have one of these because I'm not a fan of the looks, but they get great reviews and a lot of people really like them.

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Speakers:

Miccas. These things are nice for that price. In this price range, you really won't be getting anything better unless you go DIY.

Fluance SX6. These guys are big, but they throw a good amount of sound and some pretty deep bass for a pair of bookshelf speakers. Careful, they're pretty big.

Pioneer. These things are decent, but I think the Fluances would be better for this price. The SX6s throw more bass, which is good if you're not getting a sub. However, these are smaller.

Fluance signature series. I know, you said your budget is only $200, but you said if you need to spend more, then you will. These will sound better than all of the other speakers linked, however, that's not why they're here. I put them here for two reasons. The first is that they're front ported. Most people that are new to speakers might put them up against a wall or close to it, not understanding that the port needs some room to breathe. These have front ports so that's not a problem. The second reason, just look at them. If you really care about looks, these ones are the ones. They're beautiful. (My opinion obviously).

Oof almost forgot. Pleaae don't place the speakers directly on your desk.

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That's a lot. I'll sum it up with my opinion and why.

Amp: smsl sa36a. For close range, you don't need anything with more power. This thing will do whatever you need for bookshelf speakers.

Speakers: micca mb42x. Why? Here's why: for this price range, you won't notice a huge difference in any speakers, unless you get some bad ones. So, get the cheapest ones you can. Later on, if you can afford to upgrade them, you'll probably want to do that. Then you'll have a pair of $80 speakers that you don't need rather than a pair of 130 speakers that you don't need. Another reason I would pick the miccas is because they punch above their price range. Most people say they sound more like a pair of $125 speakers rather than a pair of $80 speakers. So, for real, they're good. Also, they're the smallest of the bunch.

Or, build a pair of C Notes and get something way better than any of these.

Hope this helps!

These have been getting some good user reviews lately and a nice price too, and a pretty small cabinet for a 6.5 inch woofer, 79.99 / pair: 2 Pack 6.5" Bookshelf Home Theater Speakers 100W RMS TP160S-CH DCM by MTX Audio

As for amp's I have two of these (on two different computer systems), Dayton Audio APA 150. This is a serious Class A/B design topology, but no frills, just a well built, serious, "old school" heavy amp. No remote, no DAC, no Bluetooth, but WOW, a really nice, serious, amp! Lots of good user reviews and recommendations all over the net.

A often recommended smaller digital amp S.M.S.L AD18. This one DOES have it all, remote, DAC, bluetooth, relatively small, great reviews all over the net.

If you are really on a budget, try something similar to Lepai LP-2020TI Digital Hi-Fi Audio Mini Class D Stereo Amplifier. Do some searches for tweaking this amp, a very simple way to improve this amp, is to buy a more powerful power brick. There are many versions of this type of amp, amazon, ebay, parts-express, look around.

The other two, often recommended, "great value" speakers that work well with a computer (but you will need an amp), are the Sony SSCS5 3-Way 3-Driver Bookshelf Speaker System (Pair). I have seen these on sale for well under 100/pair, from memory, in the 60's and 70's.

Another great value is the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones Designed Bookshelf Loudspeakers(7-1/8” x 12-9/16” x 8-7/16” & weighs 9 lbs 2 oz). Again, search around, these do go on sale for well under 100.00.

I have both the Pioneer and the Sony, and I currently am using the Sony SSCS5 with the Dayton Audio Amp. Was temped to buy the DCM, but I have to stop buying "great value" speakers. If I ever want to upgrade my computer speakers, I should save up and buy the Ascend Audio Luna Reference Ribbon Mini-Monitor.

Good luck, have fun, and Enjoy!

Below $300?

Well somebody is going suggest you don't need a sub just yet and suggest the JBL LSR305's. So let's get that out of the way.

My go to suggestions keep evolving as newer gear comes out. Currently I'd say:

1. BIC DV62SI for speakers. Well reviewed, but for some reason not many professional reviews. I have no idea why. I'd also suggest the Fluance SX6, because I have a pair and like them, but a well respected reviewer didn't, so take it for what it's worth. They need a little time to open up, but I've found them quite nice for their price, with a tweeter that can run hot but be tamed. Another popular choice is the Pioneer BS22, which IMO is too muted in the highs. It's all dependent on the listener, but they are often on sale under $100.
   
   https://www.parts-express.com/bic-venturi-dv62si--6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-pair--303-402
   
   
2. Monoprice 12" Subwoofer. It's $99. There are better subs out there, but in at least one blind test it beat out pretty much anything in the under $200 category. For the price, it seems to be one of the better subs you can get.
   
   https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=2
   
   
3. Don't laugh...NobSound Mini 50x50 BT amp. This thing looks like a joke. But I just got one on a lark and found out it's honestly capable of driving many different speakers at pretty decent levels. It's not going to make your ears bleed, but it can get fairly loud for a small room. It also functions as a decent headphone amp, has BT, accepts mini USB in, and all for THIRTY DOLLARS. It actually comes with a power supply and a bunch of connection cords as well.
   
   Edit: I got the updated version which does NOT have a 3.5mm out. It can't function as a headphone amp.
   
   https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Bluetooth-Amplifier-Wireless-Receiver/dp/B06Y67PZB1/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1509502947&sr=8-3&keywords=nobsound+mini
   
   I'll also add in the Nobsound Tube Preamp for a decent preamp with tubes and tone controls. Nothing fancy, but it's cheap and a good conversation piece.
   
   https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Vacuum-Preamplifier-Digital-Control/dp/B01NBM5CTN/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1509054033&sr=8-6&keywords=tube+preamp
   
   After that just add some speaker wire and you're golden.
   
   
   

the sub is one of the most important parts in my opinion. especially for movies. i am a bit of a basshead and like a lot for my music too, but i think the sub is what makes or breaks the movie experience. having a sub that you can hear and feel the low rumble makes movies soo much better.

i would spend 40-50% on sub, get 2 towers and the receiver now, then just add in a center later. a center helps separate voices and what not, but it is not required, 2 decent towers will do that just fine.

for a sub, i have the svs pb1000 and it is amazing, this is a smaller version but would probably work great, especially at the $400 price. should be much better than any dayton sub.
https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-400-watt-Controlled-Subwoofer/dp/B009F8Y7SO/ref=sr_1_3?

and for towers you mention ELAC, these Andrew Jones Pioneers are really good for the price and depending on which ELAC you looked at could be about the same thing, just less expensive. because Andrew Jones designed some of the ELAC ones more recently. so similar sound, the ELAC just look a little nicer.

I have bought 3 pairs of these towers though, they are just great for the price. for a starter set they are hard to beat.
https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4/ref=bdl_pop_ttl_B008NCD2S4

and you can get 2 of the pioneer towers & a receiver for $350 as a package deal. the speakers alone are $220 (and worth every single cent of that plus more) and you save about $50.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZZTZQU/ref=twister_B01MXMETD0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

i recommend these speakers all the time, they are just great for the price.

Did you keep the volume knob on the back of the subwoofer low? It' shouldn't be overpowering your room. Maybe try a better 8" subwoofer.

The SMSL should be adequate for desktop use. Yes a full size amp or receiver, used or new will be better. If you still need something small, XtremPro Audio Amplifier DAC 22W $100 which will give you an upgrade to Class A/B power form the D chip SMSL amp.

Other amps if you don't need more than one input or add a pre-amp:

• Narrow Dayton Audio APA150 $170
  
• Audio Source AMP100VS $120.
  
• Emotiva A-100 Stereo Flex Amplifier $230.
  
  Have you DSPed the Miccas to squeeze more bass out of them? Micca MB42x DSP Corrections - No Audiophile
  
  The Vanatoos may have a bit more bass, but probably alot more. Separates will still be more flexible and upgradeable one at a time.
  
  I use Ascend HTM-200 on my desk and CBM-170s in my living room, they are both designed to be used with a subwoofer.
  
  Philharmonic AAMs had great bass before they were discontinued. They were based on the Dayton Audio BR-1 which still have great bass, and added an upgraded crossover for better mids.
  
  I would love to try 8" Mini-Lore Monitors, though they are $625 a pair.
  
  Also check out,
  
  Chane A Series. Flat planar tweeters and split-gap mid-bass drivers.
  
  Wavecrest Audio HVL-1, and order on sale here at Ascend $80 each + shipping. "Budget Ascends" with great mids and to me similar to KEF Q100s, though they like most any bookshelf speaker are still designed to be used with and are best with a subwoofer.
  
  If you are handy try DIY:
  
  5" C-Notes for $100 and around $75 for tools and supplies. Kit includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Compare to built speakers costing two to three times as much. Check out the build videos.
  
  Or the smaller $140 Overnight Sensations may possibly go lower.
  
  7" Hitmakers $240 a pair are designed as near field studio monitors and may have a great low end.
  
  6.5" Classix II MT $230 a pair.
  
  6.5": HIVI 2.2 or 3.1 $220 or $290

Doesn't like you've gotten a lot of help so I'll toss a few suggests out there, although getting a decent Bluetooth 2.1 system under $200 is no easy task.

I'll start with the already suggested Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 Bluetooth. It's actually the one of these I've had the fortune of hearing personally. It's also the only that's a complete system in the box. It's not a bad system, but it does have a few drawbacks. First, the system is always in Bluetooth pairing mode. This has been a problem for people living in apartments who have pesky neighbors who connect to them and start playing music. Second, they do sound a little different than the original Klipsch ProMedia 2.1. I wouldn't say they are worse, but they don't have quite the charm in their sound signature that made the ProMedia so popular. Overall I would still the ProMedia 2.1 is a good system in box. But it really can't compete with a proper 2.1 system. By the way, Best Buy has run them on sale a few times now for $99.

On that note, I'll start trying to piece together a few more systems with separate speakers and subs. I'll start with suggesting the now discontinued PreSonus Ceres 3.5BT. They're pretty much the cheapest Bluetooth speakers I can find with a sub-out. They are running about $120 on Amazon right now. That leaves just enough to get this Monoprice sub. You'll also need a cable like this to connect the sub to the speakers. It's not a perfect system, but it's about the best I could piece together and keep it close to $200. I wish you could still get the larger Ceres 4.5BT for $120 but it appears to be sold out most places now. If you could jump up to either the this Monoprice sub or this Dayton one it would probably be worthwhile. You might also find open box stuff cheaper if you shop around.

Would be to get speakers without bluetooth or a subwoofer out like the Swan D1010 or Edifier R1280t. You could them get a sub like the Monoprice 9723 and a bluetooth adapter. You have to connect the bluetooth adapter to the sub and them feed the speakers from the sub. But the time you buy the speakers, sub, bluetooth adapters and cables you're going to be pushing the price into the range of better simpler systems.

There also a few 2.1 systems like the Edifier S350 that are little over budget but might be worth it. Unfortunately reviews on systems like these tend to be scarce.

If you want to go the passive route, a decent setup would probably be around $150-200. If you want something with a tuner, a receiver would be a good choice over an amp.

Right now, you can get this Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver on Amazon or Best Buy for $119 which is an excellent deal. Usually this receiver costs $149 or more and Yamaha makes some of the best budget stereo receivers. Sometimes you can find this Insignia Stereo Receiver for about $99, but right now it costs higher than the Yamaha and is not worth it. Those are probably your best deals on receivers right now that won't break the bank. Most other receivers will cost you about $150 to start.

You can find a lot of good speakers under $150 and a few under $100. What you need to do is sign up for Fry's Electronics newsletter. Just this last week they sent a coupon code in my email to get the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers for $58! Super good deal. Normally cost just over $100. They are sold out now, but this deal pops up quite often and they are well worth that price.

Here are more great speakers around $100 or less:

Micca MB42X speakers - $90.

Polk T15 - $100

Dayton Audio B652 - $30

Dayton Audio B652-AIR - $44

JBL Arena B15 - $79

You can have two out of the three: Bass, cheap and small. You can't get them all. Considering your budget you only have a few options and that's assuming that you only want a speaker system for you laptop/phone. I'll try to suggest something for you to look at.

• Amp and speakers this option is just an example. Troll Zeos for other options if going this route. You'll get decent speakers that are small but I'm worried they won't deliver enough bass for you. However, you could always save up to add a powered subwoofer to this and be in great shape. This also gives you the beginning of a true home theater and the flexibility to change out components.
  
  
• Boston XS 2.1 cinema probably one the best option that I can think of. Multiple inputs coupled with a nice sub should give some nice flexibility. You could also hook this up to the TV no problem if you wanted to.
  
  
• Klipsch ProMedia probably the best sounding computer speakers that I've heard in a while. Should meet your bass craving without any problems. Plug in a 3.5 to 3.5 cable and switch between laptop/phone as necessary.
  
  
• Soundbar w/o BT or one with BT would also fit the bill. "But Arm everyone hates soundbars"....yes I know but in this case I think it's a viable option. Lack of funds, space and need of bass make these work. FYI these are just a few example of the many soundbars out there. Bonus is that you could hook these up to a TV too.
  
  

Depends on the type of setup you're looking for, the most common of which are 2.0, 2.1, or 5.1 (or more).

For simple stereo music listening, you'd need a 2 channel amplifier, (such as a the small and very inexpensive but decentish Lepai, or better the SMSL SA-50, or a full size receiver such as this Pioneer) and a way to play and input your music.

For that you could use your computer and an Aux cable, or you could use your phone and an inexpensive bluetooth receiver. This would be a 2.0 system (2 main speakers only, no sub).

You may wish to add a subwoofer for better reproduction of low frequencies. As the subs usually come with their own amplification, but accept high level (already amplified) inputs, you can just wire them together from the amplifier. This would be a 2.1 system.

Plus you need speaker wires and maybe wires for input (like Aux) depending on your setup.

For Home Theater plus music, you'd want a Home Theater receiver such as this Denon, that plays at least 5.1 channels (the .1 is for the subwoofer. This will give you a setup to power Left and Right front speakers, a Center Channel, plus 2 surround speakers. You still need a way to play your source, such as a CD player.

As u/smackdaddies pointed out, you could get four of these Pioneer speakers, plus the related center channel and a sub, plus the receiver, for under $500. It would be a pretty great sounding (budget) 5.1 system.

Once you decide on the type of setup you're interested, we can help you choose items here on r/BudgetAudiophile.

At the bare minimum include the following things if you want help and/or advice choosing or setting up amplifiers, speakers, DACS, etc

• Budget: a little more or less than 100 u$s? I'm not sure
  
• Country: Argentina. If the product cost more than 50$, I have to pay 50% of the excedent as taxes
  
• I can buy from: Any amazon, b&h, I think almost everywhere
  
• Use: Audioslave, RHCP, Rock in general, series,
  
• Where: A desk in a Room
  
• Space: 3.67m x 3.88m, NOT really loud, I will be most of the time 1.5m away from the speakers and occasionally on my bed, or taking a bath or cooking in the next room.
  
  Optional but also helpful
  
  
• Powered, passive, or no preference: no preference, I've heard you can get a better quality with the same budget with passive speakers.
  
• Any size limitations for either speaker or amp: no
  
• To upgrade later?: not really
  
• Pref certain way of sounding (Bright/forward, smooth/laid back, neutral, etc): that immersive experience (everyone here would call it the commercial one?) but I'm not sure, I don't have any speaker to listen and compare.., I only have a HyperX Cloud 1 headsets and I won't be downloading FLAC at least for the moment, I only listen from Spotify (music) or Bluray (series and movies) most part of the time
  
  I've made my search but I have no idea about this so... I need speakers for the pc on the desk in my room. Mostly for series, music, games. I will not update the system soon after this purchase and I don't have anything right now besides my current headphones.
  
  I'm from Argentina so I have 2 disadvantages: I have absolutely no idea what I'm buying because there are no places near me to try any of these speakers. For every purchase, if I spend more than 50$ I will have to pay 50% of the excedent. That means, I can buy an amp of 30$ without paying taxes or if it exists the possibility to buy a pair of headphones by separate (1 and 1 making a pair) I will probably not pay taxes... Are there places willing to do that?
  
  This is my room: https://imgur.com/a6UVKYU
  
  Questions:
  
  - What would you recommend and why?
  
  - My motherboard doesn't have bluetooth. I want to connect my pc the 99% of the time and maybe my phone 4-5mts away. What is my best option?
  
  - I think I can buy from any amazon. I've found better prices for some of the products there. Editing..
  
  Active:
  
  Edifier R1280T 156$ - £89.99
  
  Edifier R980T 115$ - £59.99
  
  Swan Speakers - D1010-IVB (unavailable? the 2nd best option?)
  
  Passive:
  
  Micca PB42 60$
  
  Micca PB42X 110$
  
  Pioneer SP-BS22-LR 93$ (the best ones? 1st best option?)
  
  Dayton Audio B652 28$
  
  Dayton Audio B652-AIR 45$
  
  Amp:
  
  Lepy LP-2020A Class-D 23$ (I want to connect my phone occasionally without disconnecting my pc, should I get a bluetooth or wifi amp?)
  
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  ps: sorry for the long post and thanks in advance

one stop solution :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Edifier-R1280DB-Bookshelf-Bluetooth-connections/dp/B01NCTNZRC/ £119.00

i haven't heard Edifier equipment, but their stuff is well reviewed on amazon.

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two step solution:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PreSonus-Eris-E4-5-4-5-inch-High-Definition/dp/B00GP56OYA/ £139.00

and

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Streaming-Wireless-Receiver-Speakers/dp/B01CZVCYU0/ £19.50

or

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nobsound-MC403-Mini-Bluetooth-Amplifier-4-0-Receiver-Black/dp/B07CHHN9MF/ £54.50

i have Eris e3.5's and they're great. the 4.5's will easily fill your room.

there may be better / cheaper audio source selectors w/blue tooth.

i'm not sure what connection option you mean when you say play using your phone.

with the nobsound selector you can plug your HA into one of the input ports, if your HA has an audio out option?

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you could go passive speakers w/a small receiver

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wharfedale-9-1-Diamond/dp/B002WJAQY2/

and

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabaj-Bluetooth-Optical-Digital-Amplifier/dp/B01N10PF4B/

To build a system using the minimum recommendations from this sub, let's start with this diagram: http://i.imgur.com/Z8FMJ.png
DAC is optional, so is a subwoofer but I recommend one.

DAC: Behringer UCA202 $29.99 Link: http://amzn.com/B000KW2YEI

Amplifier: SMSL SA-50 $68.99 Link: http://amzn.com/B00F0H8TOC

Subwoofer: Dayton Audio SUB-800 $99.00 Link: http://amzn.com/B0063NU30K

Bookshelf Speakers: Micca MB42X $89.00 Link: http://amzn.com/B00E7H8GG2

Wire: 16-gauge Speaker Wire $8.00 Link: http://amzn.com/B006LW0WDQ

With DAC, this cable: Stereo Male to 2 RCA Male $5 Link: http://amzn.com/B00I0HPK6O

Without DAC, this cable: Monoprice 105597 3-Feet Premium Stereo Male to 2RCA Male $5 Link: http://amzn.com/B0094A1F3S

This is a great starter system, I would have loved to had something like this starting out.
All of these pieces can be upgraded, do your research. Look for sales etc. Good luck and have fun.

To give you some ideas of ways you can go with that price range:

Powered options: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/T7V--adam-audio-t7v-7-inch-powered-studio-monitor

Great on their own, big drivers and good bass, I love ribbon tweeters especially for EDM. If you want simplicity and don't plan on upgrading these are a great option.

Passive: SMSL AD18 and something like HTD Level 3's or anything in that price range. Lots of options for bookshelves around $300-400. Some people (coughpolypeptidecough) will tell you passive is always the way to go but they're biased against active speakers.

DIY: Same amp and a pair of these:

https://www.amazon.com/HiVi-Bookshelf-Speakers-Near-Field-Speaker/dp/B0721ZQXDG/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=hivi+3.1a&qid=1564116608&s=gateway&sr=8-1

They're on sale, I have a pair and they're fantastic. Very satisfying bass and will outperform speakers well over their price range.

2.1 setup: Stretching a little bit here. Lepai 2020ti to save a bit on the amp, then speaker wire to a Bic F12 subwoofer, then output that to something like Polk S20's or your choice of speakers around $200-250. Now you have a subwoofer and this will be the most different.

Are you specifically looking for something super cool looking, like a lil' work of art on its own, or something that's just unobtrusive and not actively ugly?

A lot of affordable audio gear falls into the latter category. For example, there's this Yamaha which is the Bluetooth enabled version of the Yamaha receiver from the recommended list in the sidebar. Nobody will look at it and say "wow!" but it's fairly sleek and minimal & is not going to call attention to itself.

If you can live without FM radio you can use a tiny (paperback book) sized amp like this: https://www.amazon.com/SMSL-SA-60-black-Digital-Amplifier/dp/B00PA3ECGK?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

A lot of bookshelf speakers are similarly inoffensive - they're just plain rectangles and many are quite compact.

The gorgeous speakers that actually sound great tend to be pretty pricy: https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=12097486011

Orrrrr...... put together your own set of DIY speakers and paint them or finish them however you like, Mr. Visual Artist. (It's my new hobby actually)
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/speaker-kits/286?N=19888+4294967118+4294963911+4294962514&Ne=10166&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bendeca%3Amatches%28.%2C%22P_PortalID%22%2C%221%22%29+and+endeca%3Amatches%28.%2C%22P_Searchable%22%2C%221%22%29%5D&PortalID=1
http://www.diysoundgroup.com/speaker-kits/overnight-sensation.html

I do, I use my old AV receiver with passive speakers. You have options on that though.

• Passive speakers and a small AMP: micca MB42 for $59.95 and a small amp like this Lepai 2020 for $24.38.
  
• powered speakers that won't need an amp: edifiers for just over your budget at $109. There are a lot of options for powered speakers some with Bluetooth builtin, but the good ones of those start around $130.
  
  That eats up all your budget with speakers and amp. Checking Craigslist or Facebook marketplace you might find deals, particularly on a nicer stereo amp or AV receiver to use with some passive speakers. If you are interested in running Volumio on a Pi, that's going to add a bit more. For the pi you need, the Pi ~$35, DAC $20+, case $15, SD card $15+, and power supply $10. The pi is pretty nice with Volumio though, it has a good mobile webpage plus iOS and android apps for a few bucks. Volumio has plugins that allow for it to be an airplay receiver or to use Spotify.

Hi!

A friend of mine recently bought the Dayton B652-AIR, which sound phenomenal for the price. They're on sale right now for $50 from Parts Express. I haven't heard the basic B652, but the reviews seem to indicate that the AIR models are worth the extra money. They have a better crossover (internal circuitry) and an upgraded tweeter that's supposed to provide smoother treble and more clarity.

Second, you're going to need an amplifier to drive those speakers. Your previous system had a built-in amp. I recommend this little guy which is a barebones amplifier that produces nice clean sound and has a very small footprint and a reasonable price.

It won't amplify your headphones, though.

Something like this receiver would cover all your bases-- provide power to your speakers and your headphones as well.

If I were you, I'd just use an analog cable to attach my source (computer?) to the receiver.

Oh, and you'll need some speaker cable to connect the speakers to the receiver.

Another great option is these (nb I think that's an amazon referral link from noaudiophile. I have no association, but he provides an excellent service. I'd recommend reading his reviews for entertainment as much as information). Also note that is the price for one speaker.

Excellent bass (and everything else) for a bookshelf speaker. Note that they are active so you lose some of the benefits of buying passive speakers, but I also don't think you'd want to change or anything.

Alright, your TV has RCA outputs and the option of fixed or variable output through there. If you wanted you could just grab two JBL LSR305 and connect them with RCA to TRS cables. Probably $450 total but would sound much better than the miccas. Go into your TV audio settings and select variable audio out. This way you can change volume through your TV remote. Just set the amp on the back of the JBL speakers to 8 or so and never touch them again.

If you want to go the passive speaker route for upgradability then you can grab a stereo receiver like this Yamaha for $200. Just plug your TV in with RCA cables. This allows you to spend an extra $100 on speakers. You'll save even more money if you look through your local listings for a used receiver. If you like the Klipsch sound you can go for these. Otherwise look through your local listing for a good tower speaker that you can afford. I was going to recommend the Pioneer FS52 but a pair of those would go over your budget. You can try pairing them with a cheap SMSL amp, but I would be worried they would distort a tad early.

The best sounding setup out of the box would be the JBL LSR305, but it's also the least upgradeable setup.

Looks like your turn table has a built in Phono amp meaning all you need is a good set of speakers, wire and a stereo/integrated amp.

The speakers you mentioned are rated at 6ohms meaning they are going to need a little more power to drive than a typical 8ohm speaker.

I don’t know much about the amp you are looking at but I see it’s rated for 50watts @ 8ohm and your floor standing speaker is wanting up to 100 Watts.

If your looking to rock these 6ohm towers I would suggest something a little more robust like this 100watt stereo amp:
Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EMQI2CU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_G9ycBbTJ03SEX

Also a good place to grab great and affordable interconnects you will need check out Monoprice. You will need an RCA audio cable to plug your turn table into the amp:(just get the correct length)
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=5346

And speaker wire to plug the amp into the speakers:
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14915

That should keep you well under your budget.

If your not set on your speaker selection I can’t think of a better budget speaker than Elac’s B6.2. I own the previous model B6. All the same recommendations above apply in regards to amp and interconnects.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07B4Q5587/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1527354185&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=elac+b6.2&dpPl=1&dpID=41xPo8h5y6L&ref=plSrch

Your case sounds designed for the NAD D3020V2. It's a two channel integrated amp, musical and warm sounding (the "NAD" sound) . Has optical input so you can connect your tv, a phono section so you can connect your turntable and a subwoofer output for if you decide to go 2.1 later.

As for speakers,

Comfortably in budget floorstanders, the Pioneers you already posted. $260

Arguably better bookshelves the Elac B6.2's on sale for $238, well under budget.

Over budget but very very pretty and nice sounding. The Wharfedale Dentons for $499

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That all said, the advice to spend most of your money on speakers makes plenty of sense if you're never going to upgrade anything. Personally, I've spent a bit more on nice amplification so that I know I have what I need and that it will be adequate for any speakers I end up picking up. Also that rule is more for people spending $1000 on an amp and $3000 on a set of speakers. It doesn't translate as well to budget systems since going from $50 to $300 is like...hot garbage to very very good.

First of all.... Your a saint!! I never expected someone to actually go on craigslist for me!!! Just one question though. The reason I spent so long on craigslist before was that I kept finding deals i thought were good, but finding the same product cheaper online. For example I found the wharfedale for 125$
https://www.ebay.com/p/Wharfedale-Sapphire-Sp-87-Floor-Standing-Speakers/1576240027

kEF for 111$
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-Q35-FLOOR-STANDING-SPEAKERS-MAHOGANY-FINISH-VERY-GOOD-ORDER-/273044768350

Is ebay still generally cheaper than craigslist? Or is there a reason I should use craigslist instead of ebay. BTW I think the klipsch look like best bang for buck I think....

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Also I have narrowed it down to between the Sony and Yamaha receiver. Both have used options for 78$ for sony
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B006U1VH2S/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

and also 125$ for yamaha.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01EMQI2CU/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

In your infinite wisdom is yamaha worth the extra 45$? Once again thanks for your first response.

Ive never in my life heard anyone refer to Yamaha HS5's as not clear. Theyre a very forward sounding speaker on the bright side of neutral.

Presonus are decent to good for the price. Mackie MR series and Adam T5V's are my picks for powered monitors. CR series Mackies are junk and not even worth considering.


Now, on to your actual question. $200 Euros is tight for anything much better. The main benefit of going passives + amp is ease of upgrade. There is no upgrade path for powered speakers.

I would look at something from Q Acoustics QA3010's, 3010's, etc or the Klipsch R14M's if you like clear, bright sound with a good soundstage. Plus these will play loud with ease.

For an amp you could go with a cheap SMSL SA-50 for now.

I could be reading it wrong - but it looks like you have coaxial digital out (not optical). https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1212523/Element-Elefw328.html?page=11#manual

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Wii can output analog video/audio (red/black/yellow looks like RCA) "out."

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https://www.nintendo.com/wiiu/features/tech-specs/

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Switch Dock has HDMI "out."

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https://www.nintendo.com/switch/features/tech-specs/

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SO - perhaps, connect Wii to TV with analog video/audio.

Connect Switch to TV with HDMI.

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Use headphone port on TV to get all your audio back out. These will work - and I have had them before, pretty good for price: https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R980T-Active-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B01LXDZ8WB/

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Or the 1280DB's look good too and it looks like they will take coax optical.

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That eBay deal looks good!!!!

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> Now, would it be bad to the speakers behind the sides of the monitor? It might not look very great, but I'll have 13" of room on either side. But, I'll also be limited to 9" deep, because of the wall.

As long as the sound waves aren't obstructed by the monitor you should be fine. One thing to keep in mind is that speakers in this price range often have ports (where the air is pushed out as the speaker is operating). In a lot of cases the port is in the back, so you'd want to give at least 6" between the back of the speaker and the wall.

> So the DAC and amp can go anywhere? Like between my desk and the wall (if it'll fit) so that it's hidden?

They can go anywhere, but you may want to keep the amp within arms reach for volume control. Or you can set it to a value and control with your computer. Up to you.

Regarding measurements. Bookshelf speakers vary quite a bit in size, so once you pick whichever set you want just make sure they will fit your desk. The smallest set that's worth buying IMHO is the Micca MB42X.

On another note, I tend to agree with /u/BeardedAlbatross that if you can find JBL LSR305 in your price range then that's the way to go. People are rarely disappointed in them. They have an amp included and you can always run you motherboard as the DAC. So to sum up, if you can find the LSR305 for ~$200 and they would fit your desk then I'd get those and these cables.

If not then the other option I listed with a UCA202 DAC, SMSL SA50 amp, and whichever speaker set you want.

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-R-S202BL-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B01EMQI2CU nice, I cant wait to get a reslly nice pair. Gonna put $200-300 in and see how it sounds. These super cheap entry level ones I got sound awesome haha, check my recent post Im in my hunt trying to get best sound setup.

Here are ny shitty speakers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N8265I8/?coliid=I22UAKVWQSK1N7&colid=4CPRNO6Q8AA7&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it still sound great compared to tv

Okay, curious about your tips! I'm quite the noob to these custom setups so I have no experience with either.

What's a better suggestion for going by my feet under a PC desk (very up close field)? I don't need thundering bass, just want to backup where the Micca's can't quite finish the job and make my sound whole!

EDIT: Man, this Dayton 8" looks great and has great reviews. The description mentions an amplifier, I assume this has an amp built in too? Do all "powered" subwoofers have an amp, hence the powered? Thus, I can just use RCA's from my left and right RCA output of my audio card to the RCA line in option on the sub and it would be fine and dandy, the sub's built-in amp still works fine and everything that way?

Sorry for the noob questions guys, haha.

Studio monitors, or powered monitors in general can work great in a 2.0 or 2.1 system. Broadly, they will be much more "hi-fi" than the Pro Media's will be; but also more expensive, especially when you factor in adding subwoofer.

The Klipsch's run ~$140 retail, and at that price you can begin to build a solid budget 2.1 set up.

There a few good solutions at this point, my personal favorite would be:

• Infinity Primus p143 bookshelf's Sold individually, but when they go on sale on amazon you can get them for 35-40 each ~$80
  
  
• SMSL SA-50 amp ~$70
  
  This puts you @ $150
  
  Adding this sub would get you up to $230 but also complete a system that would be world better than the Klipsch or anyother 2.1 system commonly used for computers.
  
  
• Dayton Sub-800 ~$80
  
  
  

You can totally get both high quality TV and music audio over wireless for a reasonable price. Check out the Chromecast Audio or Apple Airport Express. Both will stream audio over wifi to any speaker setup you go with.

I only have experience with Apple's Airplay, but if you have a couple Apple devices, it's super simple to use and works really well. You can pick up and Airport Express for ~$20 used.

For example, a pair of Micca MB42x (I'd recommend the PB42x instead, but they seem to be out of stock), an SMSL SA-50 amp, and an airport/chromecast would be about the same as the lowest-end sonos setup, and sound a lot better. For your TV, you can use a receiver instead of the amp to switch between the Airport/Chromecast input and the TV input.

If your budget is bigger than that, then swap in a better pair of speakers. Your speakers determine 90% of the quality of your system, so spend the most on them, not expensive wireless solutions.

(this is very similar to how my house is set up, so let me know if you have any questions)

If you like to pump your bass, then I recommend the JBL LSR 305 for $89 each. https://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professional-LSR305-First-Generation-Powered/dp/B00DUKP37C/

The LSR305 are studio monitors that compete well in overall SQ with the best powered speakers <$500. IMO, they have better midbass and deeper bass extension than many other speakers their size. For example their lower end rated response is 43hz for their 5" drivers vs. 60hz for those Edifiers with the smaller 4" drivers. I think realistically, they have solid 50hz performance (and likely the Edifiers would be more like 70hz).

Tons of professional reviews for those speakers as they have been popular for years.

You would need to also purchase a special cable to plug it into your computer: https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP-159-Stereo-Breakout-Cable/dp/B005HGM1D6

It’s Not Bad. you could do better on speakers but those are Decent.
Actually that 8” sub is no longer available so get the 10” version.
https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-SUB-1000-10-Inch-Subwoofer/dp/B0063NU3AA

And that Amp is made to run a passive sub and you have a powered sub picked. You don’t need a 2.1 amp, just a 2 channel amp or 2 channel with sub out.

Like this one : https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-dta-pro-100w-class-d-bluetooth-amplifier-with-usb-dac-ir-remote-and-sub-outpu--300-3835

There are 6-8 Budget Amps you could choose and about same number of speakers you could choose depending on Budget........

Amps: some have head phone amp too, some have Dac/amp/headphone amp. Some have Bluetooth


https://www.amazon.com/SMSL-SA-50-PLUS-Amplifier-TAS5766M/dp/B06XYKNRXJ

https://www.amazon.com/Micca-OriGain-Compact-Integrated-Amplifier/dp/B01M0SL7YC

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Amplifier-Receiver-Integrated-Speakers/dp/B076P2VS9H


https://www.amazon.com/Desktop-Amplifier-TPA3116D2-Bluetooth-Adjustment/dp/B07Q2VN7RL

https://www.amazon.com/S-M-S-L-AD18-Amplifier-Bluetooth-Subwoofer/dp/B071JN7GXN

https://www.amazon.com/Topping-MX3-Bluetooth-Headphome-Amplifier/dp/B075SYC4Z5

A few more

Popular Desktop speakers :

Dayton B652Air, Micca MB42X, Pioneer Sp-BS22, Infinity Reference R152/162, Sony SSCS5, Wharfedale 9.1, 10.1, 220

I run a Topping MX3 with Micca MB42Xs and Pretty Happy with it.

Any reason you're tied down to a powered 2.0 system? I loved my Promedia's and when I was finally looking to upgrade after 6 years with them, I was looking at other all in one systems. After further reading, I was convinced to get an AV receiver and a pair of bookshelf speakers. I highly recommend going a similar route. It really gives you a lot more flexibility and room to grow.

I ended up with a Yamaha RX-V381 and a pair of Sony SSCS5's for about $300.

Since then I've added a center and will soon add a sub without having to replace the whole system.

The Sony's just went on sale again and a pair is $75. I'd get those and shop around for a receiver that matches your budget. (consider refurbished/renewed)

Whereas with the promedia, you had a single auxilliary cord that had to be ru nth whatever you're listening to. Having a receiver allows hookup to all your devices and lokely will add bluetooth as well. Changing inputs is done via remote rather than manually dealing with cords.

If you want to go super low budget that will still blow the promedias away, you can grab a cheap Lepy/Laepai amp like this to run a pair of bookshelfs (ie. Sony CS5 <--GET these):

https://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020TI-Instruments-TPA3118-Amplifier/dp/B071FJF4FF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=M2WIJL2PC1PM&keywords=lepai+amplifier&qid=1563810359&s=gateway&sprefix=lepai+amp%2Caps%2C207&sr=8-3#customerReviews

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If you are set on a powered AIO system, my recommendation is JBL LSR305 over the two you mentioned. I have not heard either of those, but I temporarily owned the LSR305 and they were absurdly good. I only didn't keep them, because I got a noise complaint from the neighbors on day one and they were a little complicated dealing with multiple inputs.

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A few receiver options:

https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-S540BT-Bluetooth-Compatible-Streaming/dp/B07C49F2LD

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https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs540bt/denon-avr-s540bt-5.2-ch-x-70-watts-bluetooth-a/v-receiver/1.html

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https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs730h/denon-avr-s730h-7.2-ch-x-75-watts-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html

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Link to Sony Bookshelfs (also at best buy):

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSCS5-3-Driver-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B00O8YLMVA

Dude, the KEF deal may be a good price, but you can do better. The Andrew Jones Pioneer towers FS-52 are fantastic for the money. With the $100 savings you can get the center for $85 and still be under budget.

Edit: here’s a link and this price could be better. I got mine for $98 each from Amazon, so $119 is a touch high. Wait for sale. Has 500+ ratings at 4.5 stars means you don’t need to settle for a bookshelf.

Alright thanks for replying! Would like to clarify that I'm using this only for consuming music or movies on my PC, not producing/editing music. Would you recommend the Solo too in this case?

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What would be the advantages of getting the DAC you've recommended VS plugging directly into my PC (with Creative® Sound Core 3D chip on motherboard)?? With these cables for example https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP-159-Stereo-Breakout-Cable/dp/B005HGM1D6?pldnSite=1

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Would there be less hissing/noise using external DAC? And in terms of sound quality, does it make a difference?

It will be easier to add a sub to the MB42X. It is possible to add a sub to the PB42X, but you will only get bass from the left channel (which is usually fine). The PB42X setup will most likely be cheaper though.

If you wanted to do separates, I would get:

MB42X $80

FX502SPRO Amp $68

Franklin (rebadged Dayton SUB-1000) 10" Subwoofer $100

Speaker Wire

You could also get Dayton B652-AIR speakers for $50 to save a few dollars. They will be louder and have a bit more bass than the MB42X. MB42X sounds better overall though.

A cheaper amp is one of these little Nobsound units for $30. The FX502SPRO is leaps better and much more future proof, but if you're trying to stick to your budget, the nobsound isn't half bad.

To connect a sub to either of these setups, you'll use the High Level speaker wire connections on the back of the subwoofer. For the PB42X you would feed the wire that goes to the left speaker through the sub and then to the left speaker. For the MB42X you would run both left and right through the sub terminals.

With the money you save you'd be able to pick up a solid amp and keep everything module. Something like the

Check this out at Amazon.com - Micca OriGain Compact Stereo Integrated Amplifier 50W x 2 (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M0SL7YC/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_tzADDbNSTVTF9

Would be able to amplify your dac well enough.

Active speakers are great and all but they all have tjoer drawbacks in terms of lack of versatility I. E. No passive crossover means you can never reuse them as passive satellites and are forced to use the internal amp no matter if you want to so you can add a tube section or anything like that.

In fact if you got active speakers it would likely already have a dac built in so you'd be spending extra money for no reason.

If you're basing it around a schit modi dac all you need is a basic stereo amp with LFE out for a sub and if you want to make sure it also has Phono in so you can add a turn table if you ever think you might be interested.

Down the line if you ever want to upgrade to surround sound you can reuse them as satellite or height surrounds whereas with active speakers you cannot.

You may like them. They're not bad!

Having something at arms reach would be preferable to trying to use them as a wider speaker setup in a room, because of each monitor has individual power and gain controls.

Will it sound good for you, sure. Will it thump? No, not really. Is there an easy way to add a sub, sure, throwing money at it with a pro sub that has an active crossover inside it.

Best thing to do is audition them. Monitors won't sound 'bad' at all, but it just may not be what you'd expect.

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I'd look into Edifiers (or Swan), for more ease of use and connectivity

• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-S2000pro-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B0725GZQFZ
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-S1000DB-Audiophile-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B01CDIS6M0
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1850DB-Bookshelf-Speakers-Bluetooth/dp/B073W1R4XQ
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1700BT-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B016PATXSI/
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1280DB-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B0719C132V
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1280T-Powered-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B016P9HJIA
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-S880DB-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Near-Field/dp/B07D41XN1F/

That is pretty general and not very helpful.

Anyway, after further searching the web it looks like these type of speakers where used in a Sony CMT-GP5 system.

Specs here: [https://imgur.com/a/EN3W5wZ]

So I guess an amp with less than 30W per channel should be fine (or even more if you're careful to not turn it up all the way I assume)

Something like this maybe: [https://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020TI-Instruments-TPA3118-Amplifier/dp/B071FJF4FF/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Lepai+LP-2020A%2B&qid=1571864431&sr=8-4]

Going to try something in this direction, maybe it helps someone, cheers.

Do you have any equipment already? What outputs do you have on your computer?

If you just have a 3.5mm headphone jack, you can use some cords like this: https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP-159-Stereo-Breakout-Cable/dp/B005HGM1D6/

It may not work well, depending on how how loud (static-y) your pc is. But it will work.

The next level up would be to get an audio interface; the Scarlett Focusrite is a popular brand for this. This interface hooks up to your PC through USB, and has outputs that are designed for monitors like the 305P.

I'm not sure if you know, but this JBL is an active studio monitor. It's main use is for people mixing music, who want a consistent sound. Some people just use it to listen to music, but many consider passive speakers to be better for home use. Have you looked at your options?

Those are some great speakers for that price without a doubt. Just about any speaker amp will be compatible but these are two often recommended starter amps.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071FJF4FF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1501417697&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=lepai+2020a&dpPl=1&dpID=41odxvspp1L&ref=plSrch

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00A2QLGEQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501417760&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=smsl+sa50&dpPl=1&dpID=41vb56ZQUZL&ref=plSrch


For a desk setup you won't need too heavy of wire so this should be perfectly fine:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006LW0WDQ/ref=psdcmw_3236443011_t2_B01D5H8XOY

I wouldn't pick up one of those amps. One of the features for one of them is that they don't spark when plugging power in.

For an amp, try this Micca Origain.

If you have the room, a receiver might be better for you. This Yamaha R-S202 would work well, but only works with 8 ohm speakers.

For speakers, you have a few options.

Klipsch R-14M

Pioneer SP-BS22-LR(6 ohm)

The Micca MB42X when they come back in stock.

Also, if you can build them, C-Note Speaker Kit. These will be better than any other cheap speaker you can find new. Will need around $50-100 in tools to build them.

As far as cheap subs go, this Dayton Audio SUB-1000 might be your best bet.

Parts Express coupon codes:

SSVTEN $10 off $100

CJ2FIVE $25 off $250

If you can increase your budget a bit, buy two of these JBL LSR305 for $198 shipped on sale. Excellent sound quality and really don't need a subwoofer to get decent bass.
http://www.markertek.com/product/jbl-lsr305/jbl-lsr305-5-inch-two-way-powered-studio-monitor-each
They are powered so you don't need to buy a receiver of amp. Just need cables, cheapest route but you might have some noise issues from the computer's digital-to-analog converter (DAC): https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP159-Stereo-Breakout-10-Feet/dp/B005HGM1D6/ref=pd_bxgy_MI_img_y If that happens, an audio interface likely would solve it and probably improve sound quality over your computer's DAC (plus you would have easy to access volume control), e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-UCA222-BEHRINGER-U-CONTROL/dp/B0023BYDHK

For subwoofers, we are partial to BIC for < $500. The F12 used to be what we recommended to someone looking for an entry level subwoofer cost. However, the next level up PL-200 is current on sale for $250:

https://www.amazon.com/Bic-Acoustech-PL-200-Subwoofer-Black/dp/B00OFXV5IO

This subwoofer was amazing at about $330, and I remember some customers were gleeful about being able to negotiate it down to about $270 by messaging one of the authorized dealers. $250 is really a no-brainer.

For > $500, we recommend one of the many fine subwoofers from SVS for maximum "pants leg flapping" effect.