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I pocket carry a SIG P938, and I have experience with holsters, because I feel like the only way to try them out is to buy them and use them. Unfortunately this makes for quite the collection of holsters in a box you don't use.

So, let's start with the bad.

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Alabama Holster:

CONS:

The hook to catch your pocket on draw is OK .. it's not perfect.

It does little to conceal print shape.

I did not care for the grip of the kydex, it was just a weird draw.

It was expensive.

It took for-friggin-ever to get, their back log of orders was months deep.

PROS:

It's kinda neat I guess?

Hickok45 loved and endorsed it, shrug

Now let's talk what works really really well as an everyday solution.

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DeSantis Nemesis:

CONS:

I can't think of one.

PROS:

The pocket hook that catches on draw is perfect.

It is a little sticky, (rubber texture) but not too bad. This too is great for the draw.

It's cheap, (like $16-$18) and readily available on Amazon.

Does a nice job on print and is a great everyday solution for slacks.

This is mine.

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The DeSantis Super Fly:

I have this one as well.

For me it is far too fat, and far too sticky. Some people like it better.

Edit: Yeah, I edited. Big whoop, wanna fight about it?

I recently got my NC CCW and a Glock 19 with a vedder light tuck. I’ve been to the range to practice a few times but the ear pro they have for rent tends to be a hit or miss. As a result i’m looking to buy my own EarPro but and caught between the decision between Pro For Sho’s passive ear protection and Howard Leight’s Impact Sports electronic ear protection. If this would be better for /r/guns let me know.

Here’s a quick of comparison of each:

Pro For Sho
Price: $18
NRR: 34dB
Weight: less than half a pound

Amazon Link: https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Sho-34dB-Shooting-Protection/dp/B01FPWTJBI


Howard Leight Impact Sport
Price: $35
NRR: 22
Weight: slightly under a pound

Amazon Link: https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O


The Pro For Sho is lighter, about half the cost, and has a way higher NRR. I usually double up with foam ear plugs which would help make up for the Howard Leight’s lower NRR. The NRR difference isn’t the biggest concern, however, my existing opinion is that more is better. Indoor gun ranges can get loud. That being said if for whatever reason I forgot or ran out of foam earplugs I’d feel comfortable with the Pro For Shos but not the Howard Leights.

The biggest differentiator then would be the price and the electronic element of the Howards. Is the benefit offered by the electronic component really worth twice as much money and significantly less NRR? At a range the only time I’d really need to hear is when taking instruction in a class or talking with friends but if I’m by myself doing my own practice which is most of the time I feel like I wouldn’t need it. Yelling also works to account for higher NRR.

Another argument I’ve thought of is situational awareness being hindered by the passives; but the ranges in my area are all indoor with one or more rangemasters.

My biggest question to the community here is how worth it is the electronic hearing aid of the Howard Leights? I know that to some of you the price difference might be negligible but for me it matters.

On an unrelated note I stumbled across these: https://www.range365.com/sightline-replacement-pads-for-howard-leight-impact-sport-earmuffs

They look like a solid upgrade to the Howard pads. If I went with Howards I might get these later down the road when I have a bit more money to spend.


Thanks for taking the time to read through my long post!

>What would you all recommend as a minimum set of courses to take for a new carrier? I'm genuinely uncomfortable carrying until I've had training.

I was gonna write something detailed and inspired, then realized the u/fLKV02pfSQ covers most of my points.

> I have plenty of target shooting experience, but I have no experience with self defense use of a handgun.

• The Firearms Academy of Seattle has good classes. Take handgun shooting courses to learn: drawing from a holster, drawing from concealment, fixing malfunctions & getting your gun shooting again. The r/WA_guns folks will have more localized references.
  
  
• Practice what you learned in the courses, either at the range (most ranges don't have problems with you practicing reloads), or dry-practice at home.
  
  
• Find your local IDPA or USPSA match(es), so you can practice drawing, shooting, and shooting multiple targets under slight pressure. USPSA does not require drawing from concealment, but they won't stop you from doing that either.
  
  
• Read the Deadly Force book by Massad Ayoob, or Law of Self Defense book by Andrew Branca. Taking their live courses (MAG-40, Branca) is best, but having their book to refer back to is also good. Re-read the WA state lethal force and CCW statutes, so that you understand how the principles described in the books/courses are applied in your jurisdiction.
  
  
• Listen to the Tom Givens podcast on the American Warrior Show, for some insight on how to prioritize your training & practice. Tom has provided CHL training for thousands of students over his career. 60+ of his students won their DGUs. He shares the trends identified. (More commentary.)
  
  
• Think about your post-DGU plan (similar to how you've thought about your post-car-accident, or post-house-fire actions). The FAQ is a good starting point ("self defense insurance"), as is the Search bar. The John Daub interview and the Paul Lathrop interview share their post-DGU experiences.
  
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The Utah Concealed Firearm Permit (CFP) is administered by the Bureau of Criminal Identification (BCI) in Taylorsville. Here is their website, with all the information you need in order to apply. You must first take the approved Utah training course from a Utah-certified instructor. You can find an instructor here.

A good EDC pistol will vary. My recommendation is to spend some range time renting pistols, preferably along with an experienced but non-judgmental friend, and don't decide to carry a gun until you absolutely fall in love with it (and you know you're accurate with it, too). The right EDC handgun for you will not be the right EDC handgun for someone else. Since you're on a budget, but you will be trusting your life to this gun, spend the 60-80 days you're waiting for your CFP to arrive to save up and have enough cash to get a gun from a reputable manufacturer. Read reviews online and talk to people at the range. You can still get a great carry gun from a quality manufacturer for less than $500.

Before you start to carry, read something that will prepare you mentally and also guide your training (yes, training--dry-fire practice, drawing from concealment, situational awareness, etc). I recommend this book as a starter guide, and this one for exploring the deeper concepts of carrying. Anything by Ayoob is excellent, really.

From your physical description, I'd say you're not looking for anything smaller than a compact gun (subcompact or pocket guns likely won't fit your build or hands). Of course the actual size and grip style of "compact" varies from make to make. Like I said, shoot a bunch of guns and fall in love with one. That way you know that you'll practice with it, and you won't be subject to buyer's remorse.

The Utah-approved CFP course will teach the basics of gun design, but brushes over cleaning. Ask your instructor(s) for details on anything you want more info on. They got into this because they want to educate you. For a good resource on this, check out the Gun Digest Book of Gun Care for handguns.

I carry a Nano IWB as well. I have found it just too bulky to pocket carry. Maybe some people wear their pants differently, but even my most relaxed pair of jeans is not loose enough to allow a Nano and holster to fit without looking and feeling like I have a brick in my pocket.

If I have to pocket carry, I go with an LCP, just because it's as small as I can get in a decent caliber. I've found the best pocket holster to be a Desantis Superfly. It's extremely tacky on the outside and fits an LCP well without coming out of the pocket when drawing. Whatever it is on the outside kind of feels like those rubber mats you put on your dashboard to hold a cellphone or sunglasses in place even under heavy g-forces from driving around. There's a reason it's rated so highly on Amazon.

Sorry, I don't have any advice for pocketing the Nano. I haven't been successful in my attempts, and luckily already had the LCP for the rare occasions when IWB doesn't work.

I have a Kel Tec P3AT. I know that doesn't get a lot of love, but it has been a reliable gun for me. It's made in the US and has a warranty even if you buy it used, if it is damaged by any means, including your own negligence, they'll fix or replace the gun.

All-in-all, I like Kel Tec. And remember that 99% of holsters that fit the LCP fit the P3AT.

As for holsters for pocket pistols, I prefer pocket holsters that prevent printing. I like keeping my pistol in my back pocket where I would normally keep my wallet, for several reasons that I won't waste your time going into unless you ask. So the holsters I recommend for that, even if you go with an LCP, are these:

Talon Wallet Holser, which I currently carry.
DeSantis Trickster, which I have never used before but looks nice and is DeSantis
DeSantis Nemesis, which I carried for many years, but I felt like it printed a bit too much
Garrison Grip orGUNizer, which is super cheap but looks well made. Haven't used it.

I dont think I saw this recommended in here yet but sorry if it is. When I first started carrying I was too nervous about keeping one in the chamber. Thinking back now Im not sure why I was because I refused to buy a gun with a safety for carry purposes. Anyway, someone recommended me picking up a few Snap Caps to use for dry firing.

Well I decided to load my firearm with the snap cap and then do my normal activities around the home. Surprise surprise, no accidental discharges. I decided to take it a step further and did things I normally wouldnt be doing. Jumping jacks, rolling around on the ground, and anything else that could possibly make it go bang. Nothing. Worked my way up to practicing unholstering, dry firing, racking the slide and reholstering. Never had it unintentionally fire (snap cap.)

So that was it. It gave me the confidence that its never going to go bang unless you stick a finger in there and pull the trigger. Follow the safety rules and you will be good to go.

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As for comfort try out a different holster and or position. Also make sure you're using an actual gun belt. Using an actual gun belt made a world of difference for me. Also if you a skinny dude, give appendix carry a try. Check out the G-Code INCOG holster. You can check out the video from Travis Haley here: INCOG Appendix Holster Appendix carry works great for deeper concealment and is perfect for the sitting position. Also allows for extremely fast draw and reholstering. Good luck!

I got one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Liberty-HDX-250-Smart-Vault-Biometric/dp/B00R52W70M

I really like it. So far no issues with the fingerprint reader. It's a little loud when opening, but is big enough for 3 guns and a few extra magazines. It also has a little light that comes on when you open it.

Here's a nice video review of it:

http://defendandcarry.com/gear-review-liberty-safe-hdx-250-smart-vault/

It took under 10 seconds to open the other brand ... and they gave up at over 10 minutes trying to open the Liberty safe. Good enough for me.

FYI - they sell a "Mounting plate" but you probably don't need it. There are holes in the floor of the safe which you can use to mount it.

What's your budget?

You can ever go wrong with ammo. A package of some good defense ammo like Federal HST or Speer Gold Dots makes a good stocking stuffer.

Since he'll need to go to the range for practice (I sure hope so), get a good pair of ear protection like the Howard Leights.


A cheap range bag to carry ammo, gun, and ear/eye protection is a good gift too. Walmart has them for cheap.


Upgrades like night sights from Trijicon would be good on a carry gun. A good holsters and a proper gun belt are essentials as well.

The bottom line is, all of these safes are designed to keep honest people honest. A determined crook will be able to get your guns, no matter what you store them in.

Your best bet would be to get the best safe that you can afford, then figure out a way to make it invisible. Thieves won't try to break into your safe if they don't see it.

I have 2 handgun safes. One is this one. It's bolted to a heavy nightstand, 2 feet from my head while I sleep. There is only a gun in it while I'm asleep. Its whole job is to keep my gun out of my 2 year old daughter's hands while I sleep, yet give me pretty quick access if I need it.

My big safe is bolted into the concrete floor in my unfinished basement, hidden behind a false wall that I created from 2x4's and plywood. If you didn't know it was there, you'd never find it.

I did some in depth research on it a year ago when shopping. Here are the 2 best options out there (cheap and expensive choices)

1 Expensive option. It is nice because it connects to your phone, so you can download/view the video immediately...comes with a "rear" camera that you can install, and all works on Sony technology.

2 Cheap Option This is the one I have, and I like it a lot. It has the best reviews on Amazon, along with video reviews on YT.

This guy has some great reviews on his YT channel

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

I compared the Shield with the XDs and went with the Shield.

Shield is very thin.

I felt the Shield was much smoother to shoot. XDs had a "snap" to it that the Shield doesn't.

Since I've had the Sheild I have put the rubber Talon grips. What an improvement, and as far as I know, you can't put one on the XDs. However, the XDs does have a "grippier" grip over the Shield. But the Shield with the Talon grips is better than the standard XDs grips.

I also put the pinky extension on the 7 round mag I carry, and the +2 Hyve Mag extension on my 8 round mag.

I like the stock trigger and see no reason to modify it. It's safe and effective.

Next accessory will be Tricon sights.

With all of this, the Shield is hands down the best compact I have shot. Like everybody says, shoot a couple different pistols, and find the one that works best for you.

I have a Rexing V1 that works pretty well (there are some newer, fancier models as well). 1080p video and 170 degree field of view with file lengths of 3, 5, or 10 minutes. Auto locks video file if impact is detected and has a button that you can push to manually save a file. Once the card is out of space, it will overwrite the oldest files. If you look in my post history you'll see a question I had about a mounting issue, but it was easily resolved and is working fine now, so I have no complaints.

I have a friend with an AUKEY. The AUKEY camera has a motion detection feature that can activate the camera when the vehicle is off which could be a benefit if someone approached you at a gas station while filling up or when you're walking up to your car from a building. r/dashcams is a good resource for reviews/opinions and features of different ones.

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I won't push any guns on you(look at my flair if you want to know what I carry.) Do not walk into a shop and just buy a gun. Go to a range and rent guns, go with a friend that owns guns, ask everybody you can what their opinion on their guns are. If at any time someone seems emotional while bashing a brand then stop listening to them. I don't buy Glock because they don't feel right in my hand, but it is still one of the most popular guns because it is reliable. Find what works for you and then buy.

Hickok45 - He is great. He uses a wide variety of guns and ammo and he has a few episodes where he compares guns.

Legal Carry

Massad Ayoob - One of if not the best in the business. Read anything and everything you can find from him.

Shoot to Live(1/8)

Judicious use of Force(1/2)

Make the time to watch these videos and the rest in each series. These are mobile YouTube links if they don't work for you I will edit them when I get to a computer.

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman Get his books and read them.

On Combat

On Killing

Storage Where is your gun going to be when not in its holster? All of my pistols are in a safe.

Home Defense Handguns aren't the best for home defense because of the possibility of shooting friendlies and bystanders through walls. Think about shotguns for that.

Holster and Placement I have a Crossbreed Supertuck for my .45 and a Galco basic ankle holster for my .380. If you know people that own and carry you could ask them if you can try their holster/gun combo around their house(unloaded.) At ranges or shops ask what others use and why. There are multiple places you can carry a gun(shoulder, pocket, ankle, hip.) The hip has the most variety because you have your whole waist for placement as well as looking at inside the waistband(IWB) and outside the waistband(OWB.)Look them up and practice drawing from those areas. What feels more natural? Sidenote: If you carry in your pocket then buy a pocket holster. It blocks the trigger guard so nothing(pens or keys) pulls the trigger while its in your pocket.

Ammo Certain guns can shoot any brand others can not. Buy a box of each brand in the caliber you end up getting. Do some research first! Some brands straight up suck. Pick out the weeds and try what's left. While practicing use basic ball ammo. When carrying you should be using hollow points. These will add stopping power and help lessen the chance of over penetration.

Laws Look up your local laws. Learn them and memorize them. Ignorance is not an excuse and you will get charged for breaking laws. Find a local attorney that does cases involving guns(self defense or accidental discharge.) You don't need to put them on retainer but get their card so if something ever happens you can call a lawyer that knows what they are doing.

Well thank you very much. I've taken a law-oriented CCW class at my local range and read a couple books on the subject by Massad Ayoob, plus some input by firearms instructors. I felt it was extremely important to get a handle on the legal (and many would also say moral) issues surrounding lethal force in self defense.

Ayoob in particular takes you through the whole process of a justified shooting, from the selection of gear, to training and readiness, to proper assessment of a situation, and to the legal aftermath. He's been an expert witness on many, many lawful shooting cases, is a part-time LEO, and an officer-prosecutor in NH. In his books, he mostly focuses on case law, which is much more informative than a simple reading of 'black letter law.' I highly recommend Deadly Force.

Thought I would share a belly band I just purchased and tweaked a bit to suit my needs...

Here's the review I posted on Amazon:
This thing is great after some modifications, especially for the price! We'll see how well it holds up long-term.
I didn't like the retention strap or how the elastic held the gun in place, so I cut it off. I decided to modify the belly band a bit by shoving one of my Concealment Express IWB holsters into the elastic slot, and took off the kydex holster clip then screwed it back onto the kydex THROUGH the elastic so it would hold super securely, be fully encased in Kydex, and have the retention of a full kydex holster.

Very nice and comfortable to use now that it's been modified. I just put on the band, and then pull up my athletic shorts and use the clip over them as I would normally do on my EDC belt.

$25 on Amazon (+ CE kydex holster cost)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DEGYTC6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've done 2 different carry options.
standard IWB and swapping out the belt clip with a UtiliClip. You can snap it to your pants and the belt covers the clip and there's enough gap to tuck your shirt between the clip and holster.
Or
What I have had the greatest success with, a belly band type holster. I use the ComfortTac. It works great. WAY more comfortable than any IWB I've ran.

> I want to get my CCW, and I really enjoy shooting at the range, but I'm not sure if I'd actually carry all that often. It seems like an immense responsibility knowing that I'd have a tool that could literally end a life strapped to me, as well as that somebody could disarm/steal it from me.

Good. You should be thinking about this. You should be thinking twice before considering carrying or firing. Go read In the Gravest Extreme and consider carefully if you want that responsibility. And then, if you do, start practicing. Practice carrying. Practice shooting, both at the range and, if possible, at some defensive shooting course. Most defensive shooting situations aren't range-style shooting; they're "Oh, shit! I'd better pull and get this guy who's <3 yards away from me"-style shooting. It's fast, it's stressful, and it's not at all what most people practice. Go learn about the laws in your state, and memorize them. If your state says that "no guns" signs have the force of law, consider carefully what you plan to do in such a situation. Leave your gun in the car? Okay, do you have a way to lock it up out of sight? Bring it with you? Okay, better make sure it's concealed deep, and that you're absolutely okay with getting arrested and charged with an unlawfully-carried weapon. Avoid the business entirely? Okay; make sure you're aware of any political/familial ramifications this may have with the people you're with. Etc. Etc.

> I'm also not sure if I could even conceal the gun I want to buy (Glock 19) without it being painfully obvious.

Concealing most handguns is fairly straightforward, and while I don't have specific experience with the Glock 19, others in this thread have said it isn't a problem. Worst-case scenario, you could always get an easier-concealed gun. Subscribe to /r/gundeals - I see concealable handguns on sale for cheap all the time.

> I'd like to have the license (as well as learn from the class you need to take) for the off occasion I'm going somewhere I'd feel safer carrying. Thoughts?

Being comfortable carrying is really more about repetition and familiarity than just taking a class and suddenly being comfortable with it. You have a lot to learn and it's going to take time. Some of it is physical (the aforementioned range time and practical application classes) and some of it is mental (reading, getting yourself in the right mindset, learning to avoid conflict unless there's no other way, etc.), but there's a lot there. Plan for that, and you'll be all right. I mean it. I know it sounds like a brush-off: "Oh, you'll be fine." But seriously; it really is just getting used to a few things.

I'm taking my CHL class this Saturday, and have been doing a ton of reading.

The Ayoob book you linked, The Gun Digest Book of Concealed Carry is excellent. I also got a lot out of his Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery. Highly recommended. I also picked up In the Gravest Extreme, but haven't read it yet.

Lessons From Armed America by Kathy Jackson and Mark Walters was pretty good. It follows the format "one chapter anecdote, one chapter analyzing the issues from the anecdote". It's less than $5 for the Kindle edition.

More Guns, Less Crime is a very, very detail oriented book wherein John Lott undertakes a statistical analysis of the effect on crime rates of all kinds when states enacted concealed carry laws. Extremely thorough, though unfortunately not so readable unless you're a lawyer, statistician, or savant. Around $5 for the Kindle edition, so not much lost there.

I got Understanding Oregon's Gun Laws by the Oregon Firearms Federation. It's direct and to the point, and not only explains the laws, but has plenty of the author's commentary on what he thinks of them (for better or worse). Obviously no good to you if you don't live in Oregon, but finding something similar for your state would be a good idea.

Hope that helps! I'm obsessively reading all the good books I can on the subject before I buy my first gun and get my CHL, so I'm looking forward to what other recommendations pop up in this thread. Thanks for posting it!

Get a gun(most of the ones mentioned already are great), a good solid holster(kydex or good leather), a good gun belt, and training. LOTS of training. Not just a one or two day CCW class. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is learning the laws of self-defense. Books by Massad Ayoob and Andrew Branca are great ones to start with. https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Force-Understanding-Right-Defense/dp/1440240612/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536779297&sr=1-1&keywords=massad+ayoob&dpID=51WYSSJTfLL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.com/Gravest-Extreme-Firearm-Personal-Protection/dp/0936279001/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536779297&sr=1-4&keywords=massad+ayoob&dpID=51886MD5PDL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.com/Law-Self-Defense-Indispensable-Citizen/dp/1943809143/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1536779464&sr=1-1&keywords=laws+of+self+defense&dpID=51M9dKSERKL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

https://www.amazon.com/Combination-POCKET-Holster-Keltec-CC3/dp/B008UGE6B0



I use this for my LCP. Works great, I can run with it, sit down comfortably.


I also suggest checking out a grip for it. Makes a huge difference how it feels in my hand.

https://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B004Y8AYGE

Yes but it is such a very comfortable gun to carry around.

RECOMMEND:

Hogue grip

upgrade the recoil spring to 13 pounds

upgrade to sweat pea trigger

It will be like night and day for that gun. I promise.

Are you married to .45 as a caliber? .45s tend to be more expensive and larger. I'm not saying it's a bad caliber, and you can get a quality .45 within your budget, but it's gonna be really, really tough to get a quality .45 and a belt and a holster and classes and ear protection.

Let's break down the costs a little bit:

XDS .45 for $399 - not sure what your transfer fees and shipping will be, but we can assume it'll be probably $50

Alien Gear holster - some people will complain about these, but for a $45 holster, they can't be beat.

Their belt is $60 and I've heard good things about that as well. A lot of people like Beltman here but those are almost twice as expensive. These are leather (on the outside), if you'd rather have tactical looking bullshit it's about the same price.

Electronic hearing protection for $40 - these things are really popular and for good reason. You could just use normal earplugs or cheapo ear protection instead but you'll probably end up buying these eventually anyway.

You're up to $594 and we haven't even bought ammunition, spare magazines, or any classes yet. You could skimp on ear protection but $40 is about 150 rounds of .45, and probably not enough for a class.

Personally I think it's better to buy once, cry once. If you've got $600 set aside now, it might be better to get the gun that you really want and some ammo, and practice at the range with it. Then see how much you've got next month, and if you're doing alright, grab a holster and belt, or just a holster, and the month after that you can get some training. That sort of thing.

One of the best ways to feel more comfortable with your carry piece is to train and to wear it.

Wear it around at home. You'll get used to the feeling and eventually you won't notice it - you'll just notice it when it's not there.

Also train. Train train train. Shoot at the range at least once a month. Get a training round (they have other calibers) and train at home. You can use the training round to work on your draw from conceal, trigger control, and all around accuracy. You'll feel a lot more comfortable with your carry piece when you know you can quickly draw your sidearm without fumbling for it.

As for carry locations, I'm a guy - and other people have already spoken on that topic. So I'd listen to them, not me on that.

It came on another shield holster that I had but didn't accommodate the TLR6. I think the manufacturer on that one was DFW, got it off amazon. The only reason I liked it better was that it had a little ridge down near where it hooks under your belt that made it a lot easier to get a grip on and unclip it from the belt to take the holster off. The holes for the mounting bolts were close enough to the same spacing that they swapped right between each other with no issue.

EDIT - sorry, the company was CYA, not DFW. Here's a link to the holster that I swapped the belt clip from: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A9BSSW6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They also sell the belt clip individually: https://www.amazon.com/CYA-Supply-Co-1-75-Holster/dp/B01IW1O1IU/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500053556&sr=1-1&keywords=CYA+belt+clip

I have the Liberty HDX-200 Biometric Safe, slightly smaller version of this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00R52W70M/

It works great. I have it attached inside the bottom drawer in my bedside table with a gel bath mat under it to absorb the thunk of the door opening. I also attached a motion light bar so when I open the drawer, the light flicks on.

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First of all, I don't think you did anything wrong. If the worst thing that happens to you is an invigorating drive in the cool night air - well, that ain't so bad, is it?

In a perfect world, you'd have single-handedly apprehended the thief, fucked his sister, and rode off into the sunset with the theme from The Magnificent 7 playing at full volume. And in a perfect world I'd own a yacht and a nationwide chain of liquor stores, too.

I recommend you take a look at Cooper's Color Code, and maybe pick up a copy of On Killing. There are several different variations of Cooper's work out there, and some folks have tweaked it (for better and worse).

The reason I'm pointing this out to you is that I think you went from Condition White straight to Condition Black.

I want you to know that this shit happens. I am a combat vet and a ghetto paramedic - used to stress and interpersonal conflict, and I'm fully aware that it could happen to me - especially in the situation you described. Nobody is ready to "throw down" anywhere, anytime unless you're patrolling in a war zone. I could sit here and fantasize/pontificate about hasty-ambushing that thief until I'm blue in the fingers, but in reality....in reality being jerked into a conflict after sitting in a safe, familiar place immersed for hours in the fumes of Microsoft Excel (or whatever)...I'd be surprised if I didn't freeze up a bit myself. I can tell you for sure it wouldn't go down as perfectly as I'd want it to. This ain't Hollywood, and I ain't Jason Bourne.

Now, what you can do is learn about this phenomenon and how it affects you, thereby mitigating it's negative effects in the future.

The other thing to recognize here is the mere fact that you experienced this means you'll have more agency over yourself next time. It won't seem so shocking, so alien. You'll process it faster, and decide what to do more quickly.

And please don't kill anyone over a broken car window.

There's a laser insert i use that's pretty awesome and has no rim for the extractor to catch. Great for drawing and shooting and it puts a quick red flash on what you hit.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NKY23E

I carry the LCP custom in the front pocket of my jeans and I use a DOTM Combination POCKET/IWB Holster. It has a rubberized exterior and a slick, but snug inside. It works great and I carry it everwhere I go. Here's the link if you are interested: https://www.amazon.com/Combination-POCKET-Holster-Keltec-CC3/dp/B008UGE6B0/ref=pd_sim_200_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=51l2tOokVnL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR288%2C320_&psc=1&refRID=Q0WPFXVAZVS50BK3TX1W

Texas License To Carry (LTC).

First, I learned my state's laws. Then I carried.

Do you mean comfortable carrying a gun or do you mean comfortable with shooting a person in self defense? Two very different things. The former came naturally for me. The latter I learned in 1973 at Fort Leonard Wood, MO.

For the former, get good training in shooting and knowing the law. For the Law of Self Defense, see lawofselfdefense.com . For the latter, read LTC (Ret) Dave Grossman's On Combat and On Killing.
https://www.amazon.com/Combat-Psychology-Physiology-Deadly-Conflict/dp/B00FJWP7MK/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=grossman&qid=1573188536&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=grossman&qid=1573188563&sr=8-5

> Daily I use the Yosoo (another commenter does too). I like that it's cheap and light so I don't sweat much. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FJUSKYI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> The ComfortTac is clearly better quality but feels like wetsuit material and definitely makes me sweat. I don't like the retention strap unless I'm wearing sweats. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DEGYTC6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I wear athletic shorts 95% of the time. I found a super simple belly band that works perfectly with my s&w shield. Carry it every day under my athletic shorts.
Here is the link : Ultimate Belly Band Holster for Concealed Carry | Black | Fits Gun Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, Shield, Glock 19, 42, 43, P238, Ruger LCP, and Similar Sized Guns | For Men and Women | Right Hand Draw https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_rkiDDb7XNWPZ6

You’re doing the right thing by asking this question first.

First, read up on self defense law as much as you can. Read The Law of Self Defense. Read it again.

There are a lot of details during a home defense situation that could lead you to be prosecuted, and those reasons vary by state. If you decide to arm yourself, you’re on the hook to know and understand the complex landscape of self defense law. Learn as much as you can and then learn some more.

Most importantly, never trust that if a specific case went right for someone, the exact same case would have the same outcome for you. The law, justice, and the way it is served is inconsistent at best. You have to prepare for the aftermath as much as the act itself.

I have a Gunvault SpeedVault SV500 gun safe, and would recommend it to anyone. I a full size 24/7 with the flashlight attached and it fits. I have it secured behind my open bedroom door with 6 large screws covering two sides(back and side). Very secure, and safe from kids.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006OGNLKA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/Gravest-Extreme-Firearm-Personal-Protection/dp/0936279001/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323049320&sr=1-3


http://www.amazon.com/Gun-Digest-Book-Concealed-Carry/dp/0896896110/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323049320&sr=1-1



i also recommend these books to help you figure CCW out. However I hope you will take my last bit of advice to heart.

Do not kid yourself about carrying a large gun if you have the slightest doubt that you wont do it. I personally have a snub nose and a g30 for when I don't feel like carrying my 21. And it happens quite a bit. Just going to the gas station for a pop can quickly turn bad. But Im not going to spend 10 minuets gearing up for an 8 minuet trip. I know that, and Im ok with it. It takes ALOT of personal discipline to carry such a big gun. Its uncomfortable at times, its harder to travel, it limits the wardrobe, it can make hugs very awkward if your not used to it, etc. Please dont waste your money on a gun that you wont carry. By all means get the 30. I own one, they're great! You can LEARN to overcome its difficulties and short comings much easier than you can learn to always put on your beast no matter what.


let me know if you have any questions comments or concerns

Some additional free sources of info are

defensivecarry.com and ar15.com under handguns and carry issues.

1. Have some guns in mind, but don't get too hung up on the what. Find a range that rents and try a number of guns out. The one you shoot the most accurately and consistently is your gun. Everything else is secondary. If you ask me the G26 isn't small enough as compared to the G19, which is why I sold mine. If you're looking at the G19 / P320, give the Walther PPQ a try too.
   
   
2. Necessary? No. Practice the fundamentals. A light is a reasonable thing for a home defense gun, but it's added weight which speaks to your question 6.
   
   
3. Unfortunately don't have too much in the way of recommendations here. If you're going to carry though keep it on you... putting it in a bag or purse is a very bad idea.
   
   
4. Same as #3 unfortunately.
   
   
5. Not necessary, but always a good idea. When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Situational awareness training, confrontation deescalation techniques, and hand to hand are all valuable.
   
   
6. No tricks. Only way you're going to make weight differences is with a smaller gun. A good carry system (belt, holster, etc) makes all the difference though.
   
   
7. Recommend doubling up. Foam plugs plus over-ears. Don't forget eye protection.
   
   
8. Deal the best you can. Oftentimes better to keep mum until it becomes a real issue, especially at work.

Honestly if you want to try a cheap yet safe way to try out appendix carry go to the BlackHawk ARC it is designed to ride high and conceal and only csot $17 to get a good feel for it. This holster is incorporated in my line of carry holsters for my shield. It gets as much use if not more as my Incog

The reason I got it because it was 20 dollars.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Holster-Concealed-Bodyguard-Similar/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1526467267&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=ultimate+belly+band+holster&psc=1


I figured, hell, I spend more money than that eating at a nice restaurant. Why not give this a shot. So I bought it and end up really liking it.

I can't speak for anyone else about how great they are, because its highly dependent on body type. It works for me because I'm skinny. Someone with a few extra pounds might find it uncomfortable. It's pretty much like a girdle...with a gun. Because I have no fat on my waist I find the tightness no problem. I could easily fall asleep wearing it.

The versatility is amazing, IWB, OWB. It can be used like a shoulder holster. But if I weighed substantially more than I do, my opinions on bands probably would change. On a person with a thin frame, I don't see how a person couldn't like it. And considering the price point, its worth trying.

this one seems to be very popular and a good value at under $100

Have you considered a Pearce grip for the standard magazine? I think they are a great addition. They don't snag on my clothes or add that much to the profile of the gun. What they do add is a much better grip- which also helps manage recoil.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HB1SYCC?pc_redir=1409576638&robot_redir=1

They're basically inert dummy rounds (usually plastic or lightweight metal with some polymer where the primer normally sits to absorb the impact of the firing pin). They have them for all the popular calibers. They're great for dry-fire practice too :)

Here are the ones I use in my 9mm: AMAZON LINK

This advice right here is spot on.

To elaborate, I like this video made by a former ACLU director for how to handle police in various situations. It's helped me talk my way out of two speeding tickets.

For dash cams, I'm using a Rexing V1 and love it but have also heard good things about the less expensive G1W.

Ive been carrying with this one sometimes pocket carry, sometimes aiwb since May and I love it. If I’m going somewhere more public ill stick with my P07 but this is a great “walking around outside” or gas station run alternative. I’m pretty active when I carry chasing around a toddler so it really says something when i forget im carrying this. DTOM IWB/ Pocket carry

These

Cheap, battery lasts a long time, works pretty damn well.

Ive been using these for the better part of 2 years now, and they work perfectly. I mainly use them for shooting outdoors but I've had friends stand 50+ feet away and say something and it will amplify what they say. It feels like cheating in a video game almost.

Thanks for introducing me to these. Amazon is selling a super slim pair of Howard Leight's for ~$40.

I'll mention them to /u/Zenel92 just in case.

Thank you!

I tried this one first: CYA Supply Co. IWB Holster Fits: Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM/.40 S&W - Veteran Owned Company - Made in USA - Inside Waistband Concealed Carry Holster https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A9BSSW6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_tswQAbZ9HWMNS

But while it was functional, it was much worse for comfort since it has a hard molded kydex interior shape that makes small point contact with the body. The Alien Gear is certainly more comfortable than that.

I have an original LCP that I carry in a [DeSantis Nemesis] (https://www.amazon.com/DeSantis-Nemesis-P3AT-Ambidextrous-Black/dp/B00266AHQ8?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffsb-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00266AHQ8). It works great for me. The material is a bit flexible but still rigid enough that the trigger is protected.

> I’m not wearing ear protection

Get something like electronic muffs. I have this pair, and they're great. You can speak at normal conversational levels.

Get you one of these. It is a cheap way to love that easily concealable 7 round mag a lot more.

Amazon.com - Shield 9mm Pearce Magazine Grip Extension

I had the same mindset as OP until recently. I finally got down to a smaller frame Kahr PM40. Carried it for a couple years but it was to large for me to really pocket carry.

I recently traded my wife's Taurus .38 for the Ruger LCP and I was very disappointed. It felt cheap and I couldn't shoot it to save my life. I've always really loved Ruger; so I did some research and decided to make some minor adjustments.

Added a Hogue Sleeve, a Clip extension and a Laser Max. A little over a $100 and it completely transformed the gun for me. I highly recommend for those times that a larger frame firearm isn't ideal.

I have always wanted to put a single gu safe between in the foot well between the drivers and passengers seats. Something like this.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006OGNLKA/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1524396204&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=single+gun+safe&dpPl=1&dpID=41z2DtBiD0L&ref=plSrch

Amazon has that safe right now for 127, free shipping.

The laws regarding deadly force should be codified in the laws and statutes of your state. These would inform you as to whether shooting someone is justifiable or unjustifiable.

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There are 5 principles to to keep in mind regarding self-defense. You must satisfy all of these conditions.

https://www.claydugas.com/legal-process/self-defense-laws/

• Principle 1: Innocence.
  
• Principle 2: Imminence.
  
• Principle 3: Proportionality.
  
• Principle 4: Avoidance.
  
• Principle 5: Reasonableness.
  
  Should really read up on such things. Everyone who chooses to be an armed self-defender, imo, should know the relevant state statues on justifiable application of force.
  
  Additional materials are:
  
  Andrew Branca's Law of Self Defense, he also has state specific seminars and materials (if you want to pay for them) - http://lawofselfdefense.com
  
  Massad Ayoob's Deadly Force - https://www.amazon.com/Deadly-Force-Understanding-Right-Defense/dp/1440240612
  
  
  edit: typo clean up

1. Blackhawk AIWB Amazon
   
2. n/a
   
3. n/a
   
   I have a ton of different holsters (Alien Gear, StealthGear, etc.) and haven't found any as comfortable as that one. Even though it's dirt cheap, it has decent retention (you can tighten the screw really tight), great trigger coverage, and is hardly noticeable.

Get a safe. Put it in a hidden spot, like closet under pile of underwear. and secure it to wall stud using 3" screws.
Gunvault has some decent options


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000J4L2EK/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1450270228&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=gunvault&dpPl=1&dpID=51VTYzo76aL&ref=plSrch

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-SpeedVault-SV500-gun-safe/dp/B006OGNLKA

I have CYA kydex holsters for all of my CCWs now. Love those holsters. They’re good, durable, comfy, and fairly priced... you can get them for any major gun, I have one for my G19 and one for my Shield

CYA Supply Co. IWB Holster Fits: Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM/.40 S&W - Veteran Owned Company - Made in USA - Inside Waistband Concealed Carry Holster https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A9BSSW6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_MBjGAbDBGG696

Ultimate Belly Band Holster for Concealed Carry | Black | Fits Gun Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, Shield, Glock 19, 42, 43, P238, Ruger LCP, and Similar Sized Guns | For Men and Women | Right Hand Draw https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i.kaAbEJ1ABKR


If you're a big boy like me, make sure you get the XL.

I like my ruger lc9s pro. I prefer it over the double stack Glock I used to use

Here is the holster I use. I chose it because I don’t like wearing belts. I like gym shorts and sweats. It’s so comfortable I almost forget it’s there.

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Holster-Concealed-Bodyguard-Similar/dp/B01DEGYTC6/

I've got the Liberty 9G HDX-250 (~$200 on Amazon).

It has a key and a fingerprint reader. The fingerprint reader works great. It runs off of a 9V battery, but if you have a nearby outlet, you can plug it in (9V then functions as backup power). I keep my daily CCW in this as well, and access it at least 2x per day with no issues.

Also, it can be bolted down if you want to for added security.

This is the bellyband https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_uR6xzbJ84QXGG

What do you normally wear? I'm normally either in flannel or those sheer blouses with a cami underneath. Patterns help break up the shape so that does a lot for me. And the double layers I get from the sheer and cami are enough to effectively hide any printing. I have the hardest time with solid colors so when I have to wear that I gravitate towards darker ones.

if you haven't read Branca's Book, you need too! It is the best book out there covering this stuff.

DeSantis Nemesis

Looks like a wallet in jeans or shorts front pockets.. I'm sure the back would be the same just not as comfortable. The outer texture of the holster grips the inside of the pocket well so the gun will be the only thing coming out on a draw.

To add to this, looks like they're on sale at Amazon for $40. I've been using these for a year and love them.

Here you go

https://www.amazon.com/Shield-Holster-Veteran-Owned-Company/dp/B01A9BSSW6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491768130&sr=8-1&keywords=cya+shield+holster


I love mine. Very Comfy. Can be used either appendix or 3-5 o clock

I'm a striker guy but for dry fire, I can totally see the benefit of having a double action trigger. I like to use one of those laserlight trainer cartridges when I practice my dry-fire (almost every night). And it would be really nice if I could just pull the trigger again to get another shot to go off, rather than having to re-rack the slide to get the next "shot" off.

But other than that and the extremely low likely event of a soft-primer strike, then I prefer the consistency of strikers.

Desantis super fly. Scroll down to the review images. It comes with a cover that makes it more square

Here is my option a little over but reviews are good

CYA Supply Co.. IWB Holster Fits: Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM/.40 S&W - Veteran Owned Company - Made in USA - Inside Waistband Concealed Carry Holster https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A9BSSW6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sNcKBbYKBRCWR

Here's what I use. Not too expensive and pretty solid. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00W5PJBEO/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Happy cake day! I carry left handed. At round 10 o'clock, the backside of my holster jabs my tummy. Also, I have a huge bulge on the front side even with a large shirt. Here is the holster I use: https://amzn.com/B00TCOU0AK

Maybe I should try this one? The problem with the other one is the back part of the holster that covers the slide pokes me.

Have you tried adding one of the Hogue grips to the LCP?

http://www.amazon.com/Hogue-Handall-Hybrid-Ruger-Sleeve/dp/B004Y8AYGE

It's supposed to be a significant improvement to how it feels in your hand. I haven't tried one yet, but it's on my list.

[This one](http://www.Ultimate.com/ Belly Band Holster for Concealed Carry | Black | Fits Gun Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, Shield, Glock 19, 42, 43, P238, Ruger LCP, and Similar Sized Guns | For Men and Women | Right Hand Draw https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9Blqzb7BM6YFD) looks interesting

Finding an IWB with locking retention will limit your options. If you can, try going OWB.

This is what every cop I've seen carries with OWB/belt mounted. I borrowed one for a class, and it is bombproof and comfortable, providing unbreakable retention and still offering a quick draw.

http://www.amazon.com/Safariland-Concealment-Paddle-Holster-Finish/dp/B00369EQ7U

I use this Ultimate Belly Band Holster for Concealed Carry | Black | Fits Gun Smith and Wesson Bodyguard, Shield, Glock 19, 42, 43, P238, Ruger LCP, and Similar Sized Guns | For Men and Women | Right Hand Draw https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ddnRzbRGS5M1C whenever I'm wearing athletic shorts. Like it far more than pocket carry.

I wear a DTOM convertible pocket to in the waist band holster and switch. It up several times a day. Having a car with tinted windows gives me some privacy if I need to fix my setup from hip to pocket or vice versa

https://www.amazon.com/Combination-POCKET-Holster-Keltec-CC3/dp/B008UGE6B0

$22.92 amazon prime ready

Everyone has given you really good advice. I don't have anything to add except a recommendation to read the book Deadly Force--Understanding Your Right to Self Defense by Massad Ayoob. IMO, everyone who has the capacity to use deadly force should read it. It will answer a lot of your questions on this topic.

From top to bottom (also the order in which they were bought):

• Springfield Armory 1911 Range Officer 9mm
  
• Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm
  
• Ruger LCP .380
  
  
  
  The Shield is my EDC, but I live in Florida and sometimes it's too hot to dress to the gun, so I picked up the LCP on days I just want to throw it in my pocket. Also picked up the DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and am really liking it thus far (though I haven't been to the range with the holster yet)!

I AIWB a shield and I don’t have any problems with printing and I’m 5”8 and 160 pounds I love this holster and you can carry it in other spots if you want CYA Supply Co. IWB Holster Fits:... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A9BSSW6?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Maybe "lifestyle" can be interpreted in different ways; carrying a gun does require a different, more serious, "mindset" than simply carrying a phone, and it deserves more careful consideration about how to carry it than how you decide to carry your phone.

People are different, but I'll share from my personal experience. When I was coming of age, I had that typical attitude of a young, single man, always thinking I was right, that I would always win, that nobody could touch me, and if anybody tried anything—BOOM!—I'd take care of them. I was treating it irresponsibly, like a casual fling. And that's the wrong attitude for a person carrying around the power of life and death.

By reading Boatman's essay and Massad Ayoob's In the Gravest Extreme, I learned the seriousness of the matter and how I needed to fix my attitude towards carrying. I needed to make changes to my mindset and to my habits. The decision to start carrying a gun led me to really actually "grow up" and stop acting like a kid.

Now married, I can barely convince my wife to come to the range with me, let alone convince her to change her mindset or habits. As you suggest, it is far too much to ask everybody to start out by upending their lifestyle for the sake of carrying a gun. But, in the long term, I think the responsible carrier eventually realizes that he has made changes. And so, I offered the quote to the OP as food for thought: while he shouldn't go tell his wife, "Hey, this is so important that you need to change your entire wardrobe," when she asks for help or expresses frustrations with carrying, he may think about suggesting different types of clothing.

for valentines day last year I bought some targets and used them as wrapping paper for my husbands gift, then I bought him pair of electronic range headphones (it cancels out shots but you can still hear talking), some ammo, more targets for him to actually use, and chocolate (cant go wrong with chocolate). but those headphones are amazing for a day at the range.


https://www.amazon.com/Howard-Leight-Amplification-Electronic-R-01526/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479406082&sr=8-1&keywords=gun+range+headphones

You can get a set of ears that has a line so they will act like headphones for your beeps.

Example: Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Sport Sound Amplification Electronic Shooting Earmuff, Classic Green (R-01526) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001T7QJ9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FMSgDbZZWJBTR

Here is the one I use. Don't let the price scare you... you will easily save it in practice ammo. You can sometimes find them cheaper on Ebay. https://www.amazon.com/Laserlyte-Laser-Trainer-9-mm-Cartridge/dp/B004NKY23E/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1480200806&sr=1-1&keywords=LaserLyte

I got one of these and it helped a lot with trigger control - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004NKY23E

note: I did not get the laserlyte targets; I can easily see where the laser hits and if it's a steady shot vs. showing some sort of flinching etc. - however i may get some of the timed targets later for rapid draw/fire drills.

I reluctantly paid $380 for my shield. Love the gun though. Its my new carry. You need one of these

http://www.amazon.com/Pearce-Grips-Magazine-Extension-Shield/dp/B00HB1SYCC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426522499&sr=8-1&keywords=pearce+grip+extension+shield

I use a Speed Vault 500 mounted to the back of my night stand. Just make sure to use a Li-Ion or NiCad battery for longest life.

Massad Ayoob's "In The Gravest Extreme" is a really good book about CCW from the private citizen perspective.

It's definitely dated, but a lot of it is still relevant today.

http://www.amazon.com/Gravest-Extreme-Firearm-Personal-Protection/dp/0936279001/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376033653&sr=1-1&keywords=in+the+gravest+extreme

I have this one, can share photos/video if requested. If I had to buy a new one it would probably be this one.

I use a GunVault SV500 SpeedVault Handgun Safe. I have it bolted onto the side of my bed, using the screws that it came with; it works great! Definitely check it out. I got the one that accepts a key or pin code. They also had a fingerprint version but I was nervous about relying on an accurate fingerprint scan. It opens very quickly and I practice opening it every night before going to bed which also lets me check the battery.

Gunvault Speedvault

V line top draw

If your only goal is to keep it away from your kids... get this

This will not protect against a motivated burglar with a $5 pawn-shop hammer.

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I'm being informed that the above safe is garbage after a few months. Back to the drawing board.

Get something from LockSAF/LockSāF if you can find it for sale... Deviant Ollam (world-renowned expert on 21st century security and locks) suggests the PBS-001 model, but it appears to be out of stock everywhere.

The most recommended belly band here

Crossbreeds also makes a Belly Band

DESANTIS Super Fly Pocket Holster Ambidextrous Black LCP/P3AT/DB Nylon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003K84C6M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_bD6QCbFT7XAXK

I use this but for my p938 with or without the flap it breaks up the look of the gun well

Yeah, if you have the G3 one they sent you the wrong holster.

This is the G3 one. Notice the model designations, M44BJG3Z0 vs M44BJG5Z0

If you compare your picture to the user picture of the G3 holster you'll notice the very tight stitching near the trigger guard area.

Whereas the the G5 holster user picture has very loose stitching.

Also on your holster it cleary states G3 where on your Amazon order link it clearly states M44BJG5Z0. I would contact Amazon about the mix up they may not even be aware

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/?tag=thegunzone-20

Whats the verdict on this?

It's a pearce extended grip, got it on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HB1SYCC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521486431&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=pearce+grip+extension+shield&dpPl=1&dpID=41Hkm19OFPL&ref=plSrch

The Laws of Self Defense by Andrew Branca
Start there and supplement with the state statutes found online.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Holster-Concealed-Bodyguard-Similar/dp/B01DEGYTC6

I run my ass off on the weekends and it is very comfortable. Firearm does't slip out because it has a retention strap that locks your firearm down.

https://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932

Tueller's Rule would beg to differ that. Many tests have shown someone with a knife can close a gap of almost 30 feet in less than a couple seconds. Depending on who's carrying, that's faster than they can draw.

Everyone carrying should read this book. Tons of source material that, if you've read it, can be introduced in a court.

Updated version

Get some of these.

Amazon sometimes has them on sale but I purchased them from Academy locally. They price matched and even took an additional 5% off.

You should consider a GunVault SV500 SpeedVault. It's relatively inexpensive and reliable. This is what I store my EDC in when I get home from work. I have 2 small children.

I've currently got this guy for IWB. Covers the trigger, seems decently firm. Actually came with a hogue grip from the guy I bought it from.

Not at all, it's full kydex and has a sweat guard.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01A9BSSW6/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1495496278&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=s%26w+m%26p+shield+9mm+holster&dpPl=1&dpID=41d7sMwtjVL&ref=plSrch

I tried that as well, but the issue for me was the at the elastic was extremely uncomfortable against my skin. What I ended up doing was using the kydex shell with the included velcro backing from that with the belly band mentioned above (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DEGYTC6/ref=cm_sw_r_oth_api_yUgIzbV7RK0V4) and it works extremely well. I only wear it when I have to use deeper concealment, as I can get away with OWB at 3 with a sport shirt in summer months, and a fleece vest in cooler weather and have a much faster draw.

The link below is To a book by massad ayoob and it contains some insight into your question. The short answer is no, you should not modify your carry firearm.

Deadly Force: Understanding Your Right to Self Defense https://www.amazon.com/dp/1440240612/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_V6ZHwbDKT877B

If you want to see a short passage about this topic the following link has what you need: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/01/brad-kozak/the-massad-ayoob-chronicles-part-v/

I think people get a silly hard-on for instant bedroom access. You aren't John Wick. There won't be an entire crew of baddies teleporting into your bedroom.

A quick-assess push button lockbox is fine, or those nifty SpeedVaults. I have a hard time believing you're going to sleepwalk through punching the combination and pulling your gun out. But IMO the gun should be locked even if you didn't sleepwalk.

Yea that's a carry to the range sort of bag.

https://www.amazon.com/DeSantis-Nemesis-P3AT-Ambidextrous-Black/dp/B00266AHQ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469684002&sr=8-1&keywords=desantis+nemesis

get one of those, I've had mine for years and no problems. Draw is easy.

Mindset, On Combat, On Killing, by Grossman. Also Leadership and Training for the Fight: Using Special Operations Principles to Succeed in Law Enforcement, Business, and War by Paul Howe.

As far as tactics go, get yourself some hands on training, depending where you are, you may have "tactical" instructors close that can put together a class.

Consider something like this for next to the bed. And just don't let your child know the combo. But seriously you don't want to unload and reload your gun that much, that's twice a day every day so far. It's not good for the ammo, and you run a higher risk of an ND loading and unloading that often than you do just storing it loaded

the fuck you want, 4K video proof?

its not hard, i grabbed this band

Here is a woman who runs with a G19

Here is a man who carries a G43 but also says it does a G17 fine (he didnt want to carry the weight of the G17)

Just because youre too fat to get off your ass doesnt mean the rest of us are too.

>I tell her no it's my cellphone, I'm trying to get used to having something in my waistband so when my permit comes I'm use to carrying

I'm not sure how you're doing this, but if you're going to be carrying IWB, you need a good IWB holster. If you need advice on holsters, feel free to create a new thread or ask an experienced friend or instructor.

Having a cell phone in your waistband will feel nothing like a properly concealed firearm carried in a proper holster.

(And IWB may not even be the way you want to carry. Plenty of folks carry plenty of other ways.)

>I don't want you to hurt yourself.

Are you worried that I'll hurt myself driving? Far more people are killed in automotive accidents than are killed in firearms accidents, though there are about 200 million firearms in the US.

(Note: Total gun deaths are approximately equal to automotive deaths, but this figure includes homicides and suicides, which comprise the lion's share. Accidents are infrequent and have been getting less frequent.)

You should also consider taking NRA Basic Pistol if you haven't already, especially if your CCW course was a four hour job.

>I don't want you to pull the gun out in anger. How do I know you won't shoot me when I piss you off?

This is a common misconception that people who have never handled a gun have.

The gun does not change who you are.

Question: Have you ever been having a heated discussion at dinner, and then gotten so upset you stabbed them in the throat with your steak knife?

Why not?

Have you ever gotten impatient with an old lady in the crosswalk, and run her over?

Why not?

A gun does not transform a reasonable person into a murderer.

>I don't want you to accidentally shoot someone if the gun were to go off.

Take her shooting and teach her the basic rules of gun safety. Muzzle pointed in a safe direction, know your target and what is beyond, finger off the trigger until you are in the very act of discharging the firearm, the gun is always loaded.

People who don't understand gun safety tend to get the idea that it is impossible to be safe with guns.

>Why do you need to carry?

Why do you need to keep a fire extinguisher in the house?

Why do you need to wear a seat belt when you drive?

The firearm is a safety tool that cuts a path to safety in the event of a lethal threat.

An individual's lifetime odds of becoming a victim of violent crime are greater than 50% (Koppel, “Lifetime Likelihood of Victimization”, Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1987).

>I don't like the idea of you having a gun on you everyday all day.

Fear comes from ignorance. Take her shooting, teach her.

>I have taken a 6 hour safety course before I filed for my permit

Take a couple more. NRA Basic Pistol, or Personal Protection Inside the Home (and the subsequent PPoTH)... it's all very good training.

>She thinks I have anger issues.

Independent of her, you need to sit down and take a long, hard, honest look in the mirror and think about any anger issues you may or may not have.

As an armed citizen, the way you deal with conflict must radically change.

Read In the Gravest Extreme by Massad Ayoob. It is imperative that you read this book.

It will help a great deal with mindset.

>"I've never even lifted a hand at her, but she has at me

End the relationship. End it.

People who are willing to abuse their partners do not make good partners.

In my opinion, women in particular who abuse their partners tend to be more willing than other folks to use police as an instrument of abuse.

Meaning: She gets into a fight with you. She begins striking you. You try to protect your face or defend yourself as you're leaving, and she ends up with fingerprints on her forearms or a scratch somewhere (this is bound to happen in a scuffle).

She calls the cops, says you hit her. Goodbye permit, forever.

She calls the cops, says you threatened her with your gun. Describes your gun in accurate detail. Hello aggravated assault charge. Possible felony rap, goodbye gun ownership forever.

Let this one go.

I'm about to sit down to have dinner with someone so I can't type out a proper reply, so i will try to edit this comment later this evening with a more detailed reply.

In a nutshell, you're going to have a hard time justifying shooting someone if they were threatening you with nondeadly force absent any mitigating circumstances (like specialized knowledge of attacker or disparity of force). If in the course of the fight risk of death, passing out, etc were to become present then then the unarmed force could turn into deadly force, like in the Travon/Zimmerman case. But as much as you or I might agree that a fist fight is a serious matter, the legal system would most likely not agree and you'd be having to defend yourself legally.

Edit: Here's the update with more info I promised. I base a lot of my knowledge on legal matters based on attorney Andrew Branca's book on The Law of Self Defense. Here's two excerpts from his book that touch on nondeadly force and guns (I can't give page numbers because I have the kindle version):

 

>Escalation

 

>Escalation occurs when someone in the fight escalates what was a non-deadly force fight into a deadly force fight. There are two ways that escalation can affect the element of innocence. The first is if it is you who escalates the fight. This can cause you to lose the element of innocence, and lose self-defense. The second is if the other guy escalates the fight. This can cause you to regain your innocence, if you’ve somehow managed to lose it. Let’s talk about the first scenario, in which you escalate. (We’ll discuss regaining innocence in a few pages.) If your attacker merely slaps you, but you respond with your gun, the law sees two separate and distinct conflicts. The first is considered non-deadly and the other guy was the aggressor. The second is a deadly force fight and you were the aggressor. The courts do not like seeing what ought to have been “just” a fistfight escalate into a deadly force confrontation. Let’s pretend that even though his slaps weren’t deadly you drew your gun anyway. The law permits him to now draw his own gun and shoot you in self-defense, even though he “started the whole thing.” In this circumstance, he can still be convicted for the slap that started the first non-deadly fight, but not for your death. Conversely, if you win the fight you shouldn’t be held liable for the first non-deadly fight but may still be found guilty of killing him because you lacked legal justification for escalating the dispute into a deadly force fight.

 

>Deadly Force

 

>One would think that the difference between deadly and non-deadly force was self-apparent. One results in death while the other doesn’t. But in practice things are a bit more complicated. Legally speaking deadly force is any force that can cause death or grave bodily harm. Grave bodily harm includes permanent disfigurement, long-term damage to a part of the body (such as a broken bone), rape, and even kidnapping. Non-deadly force, in contrast, is any force less than that capable of causing death or grave bodily harm.
>Then, to muddy the water even more, there is the fistfight. We all know that bare hands can cause death. Human beings have been strangling each other for as long as there have been human beings. Unfortunately, (or fortunately, as the case may be), the courts consider bare hands to be non-deadly weapons by default. Police, prosecutors, judges, and juries view using a gun to prevent being punched skeptically. This is because people only very rarely die or suffer serious physical harm from a punch. On the other hand, if an attacker uses his hands in a deadly force way (by wrapping them around your throat and squeezing, for example), then his hands are now deadly, and justify a deadly force response. The courts could decide a punch is deadly, but only if the other guy is much bigger or better at fighting, if there are multiple attackers, or if the attacker keeps punching you after you are no longer able to defend yourself. In such cases the fight would be far more devastating than normal.

 

>EXAMPLE CASE: State v. George Zimmerman Florida trial court 2013

 
Just a few parts of the full case study
>Moments later Martin emerged from the shadows, verbally challenged Zimmerman, knocked him to the ground with a single punch, mounted him, and viciously beat him. Martin smashed Zimmerman’s head against the sidewalk in what was described by an eyewitness as an “MMA-style pound-and-ground”. . . .

skipping ahead a little

> . . . In the struggle Zimmerman’s jacket fell open, revealing his licensed pistol. Martin’s hands moved to the side of Zimmerman’s body near his gun, and Martin told Zimmerman that he was going to die. Unable to escape, believing that Martin was trying to take his firearm, and fearing unconsciousness and death, Zimmerman drew and fired a single, fatal shot into Martin’s heart. If Zimmerman had shot Martin while they were upright and fighting with fists, he would have violated proportionality. But after Martin knocked him to the ground, straddled his body, and beat him to near unconsciousness, Martin’s barehanded attack transformed into deadly force.

 

You don't have to take my word for it (some rando on the internet) but hopefully the words of an attorney who specializes in self defense law, and has over 25 years of experience dealing with real life cases, gives you at least some pause to reflect. Yes, there are situations where you can legally draw on an unarmed person but it's very risky to do so and you had better be damn sure one of the mitigating circumstances applies to your case. I hate reading about stories where "one of us" good guy armed citizens uses a gun in self defense and winds up getting charged with something like aggravated assault or worse; I don't want that to be you!

 

Source: The Law of Self Defense: The Indispensable Guide to the Armed Citizen https://www.amazon.com/dp/1943809143/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_7mz7ybY2CK8Q6
Also, here's a free podcast you can listen to featuring this author. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-american-warrior-show/id969281516?mt=2&i=1000365079402