(Part 2) Best products from r/DataHoarder

We found 195 comments on r/DataHoarder discussing the most recommended products. We ran sentiment analysis on each of these comments to determine how redditors feel about different products. We found 1,377 products and ranked them based on the amount of positive reactions they received. Here are the products ranked 21-40. You can also go back to the previous section.

32. Rosewill 4U Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412)

    Features:
  • Perfect Hot Swap Bay Construction: RSV-L4412 is equipped with 12 Hot-Swap Drives which supports up to carry 12x 3.5"/2.5" SATAI, II, & III or SAS HDD which allows users to take out hard drives during operation of the system
  • Superb Scalability : Maximum up to 12 HDDs which supports up to carry 12x 3.5"/2.5" SATAI, II, & III or SAS HDD, 7 PCI-E slot at the back to expand the server system
  • Motherboard Compatibility: The Rack-mount server chassis is compatible with a 12" x 13" E-ATX; 12" x 9.6" ATX, 11.2" x 8.2" Mini-ATX and below
  • Excellent Dust Resistance: Front door foam filter is designed to minimize dust inflow to Industrial rack-mount server case
  • Front Panel Lock: Stylish Black with front panel lock provides a better security for your rack-mount server case
  • Convenient I/O Panel: Two USB 2.0 connectors in the front panel enable easy access to various peripherals.
  • 80mm Fan: 2, 120mm Fans: 3
  • Tremendous capacity : With huge space (7.00" x 25.00" x 16.80" including panel ), RSV-L4412 commits with spacious room to meet your demand for an outstanding system
  • Chassis Type: Rackmount
  • Form Factor: 4U
  • Maximum holding: 12" x 13" E-ATX; 12" x 9.6" ATX, 11.2" x 8.2" Mini-ATX and below
  • External 3.5" Drive Bays: 12
  • Expansion Slots: 7
  • Front Ports: 2 x USB 2.0
  • 80mm Fan: 2, 120mm Fans: 3
  • Front door with key lock for better security
Rosewill 4U Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412)
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u/2gdismore · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Tower Case Roundup:

Nanoxia Deep Silence 6 http://nanoxia-world.com/en/products/cases/deep-silence-series/deep-silence-6-rev.-b/209/deep-silence-6-rev.-b-dark-black?c=40
5.25 inch drive bay external: 4 x
3.5 inch drive bay external: 2 x (optional)
2.5/3.5 inch drive bay internal: 10 x (max. 13)
2.5 inch drive bay internal: 6 x
and
Fractal design Node 804 http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-804

Lian Li D8000

I'm currently eyeing the Fractal Design Node 804 for a future HTPC. It's small but it has a dual chamber design. I wanna fit 4x 4tb WD HDs in there and an SSD. (But it can hold 8)

Antec Nineteen Hundred http://imgur.com/a/hPZTw
That's my case and love it. Since this picture I have added 4 more drives in the adapter for a total of 16 HDD's.


Fractal Design. By far the best cases I've ever built with. I have a Define XL R2 at the moment but know friends who have built NAS setups in the Node and R5 cases.

I don't go for the server rack system, so I've opted for the Fractal Design Define XL R2 thanks to all of its bay slots.

DS380B Silverstone
itx dinky cube with 8x 3.5" drive bays in caddies.
I threw a board with an M.2 card in there with a Intel 6100 and its good to go. 8 disk zraid pool

I'm torn between getting this:
http://www.u-nas.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17617
Or a tower case that can hold more drives.
The hot swap drives turn me on though.



[–]zugman 50TB 3 points 1 day ago
I always thought the COOLER MASTER Centurion 590 was great but it's sadly discontinued. Easily fits 12 drives with great cooling. I added 5-in-3 cages for 15 drives. I've still got 2 of them kicking around but I've since moved to rack mount.
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Zalman MS800, add three 3 x 5.25" to 4(or5) x 3.5" adapters and net 12-15 hot swap bays.

Nothing special, just a ZALMAN Z11 Plus Midi Tower Computer Case. It takes all 8 or so drives I have.

Honestly, I was using the NZXT Source 210 for the longest time.
It regularly goes on sale for $20 in the US
It has 8 3.5" bays
It has 3 5.25" bays you could throw 4 more 3.5" drives in
it has decent cable management room
6 120mm fan spots
It's not in the least bit gaudy nor does it draw attention to itself
The only reason I replaced it, was I finally had too many HDDs for it sadly, otherwise I'd be using it still.

I have a personal computer build coming up Hopefully I can post it in 2 - 3 weeks.
I am using the CM Storm Stryker : It has 9 x 5.25" bays
Those bays can be converted to hot-swap hard drive bays I am using SATA Trayless Hot-Swap Cage from iStar
I go two so I am going to have 8 hot swap bays external and maybe four ssd internal but this case can have 12 external bays or if you spend a lot more and get the 5 hot swap per 3 x 5.25" then that can be 15 HDDs hot swap.
Some links so you can picture what I am talking about:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119260
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Y3E2Q1K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I love my Lian Li PC-Q25b.

I use an Antec 900 with a 3x5.25 bay to 5x3.5 hot swappable enclosure in the front. Made by silverstone I believe. I also have their 3x5.25 bay to 12x2.5 hot swappable enclosure I use for SSDs (but can also be used for hard drives). That leaves me room for one more 5x3.5 enclosure which I plan to install when I need additional storage.

I'm a big fan of the Corsair 900D. 15 3.5in drive bays with backplanes and you can easily fit a blu-ray drive and 4 more hard drives in the 5.25 bays.
Also, it will take most motherboards and graphic cards and has spots for dual PSUs. It fits under my couch table perfectly which is also nice. I replaced the clear door with a solid one and it's just a black brick that doesn't look like a 9 year old's computer lit up like a christmas tree.


[–]HQToast 30TB RAW + ACD Unl. 1 point 1 day ago
I recently bought this beauty :3
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-a76/
http://imgur.com/mam0Yl3
Going to 3D Print another small cage for it soon. There is so much more space in there ^^
12x 3,5"


Lian Li PC-D8000, though I might be abusing the innocent little word "tower." Poor thing.
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[–]HittingSmoke 1 point 1 day ago
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112412
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112388
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112412
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[–]rdxgs 1 point 1 day ago
duplicator cases with hard drive cages
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[–]Engin33rh3r3 1 point 1 day ago
Anyone have a rack mount recommendation that can support a x-large radiator the Cosair h115i???
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[–]Jollyrogr 1 point 23 hours ago
Just built my NAS with a Norco itx-s8. Nice little box with 8 hot swap bays and an SAS backplane.
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[–]BLKMGK 65TB unRAID 1 point 16 hours ago*
Coolermaster Stacker if you can find one. Mine held 20 drives using 4n3 adapters and I've seen them modified to hold 40 drives. They now sell a Stacker "HAF" which isn't the same but does hold a decent number of drives too. The Stackers I have are damn near waist high, have casters, and served me well for many years prior to buying a 4U 24+bay rackmount..
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/coolermaster-stacker-modified-fit-47-hdd-total-12-terabyte-36586/ <- crazy dense for the time lol
These are your friend! https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817999027&cm_re=4in3-_-17-999-027-_-Product
Here's what I use now https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916
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[–]03891223 2TB usable :( 1 point 15 hours ago
I know there's better cases for the job (more 5.25" bays etc), but before I got my r710s I was using another define r5 and loved it. Was running WD reds in it and had it sitting right next to my desk (along with my desktop, another define r5) and couldn't hear either of them.

u/Nyteowls · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

TLDNR; Without having more info on what I described in the first paragraph. I'd say just buy a couple 10TB Easystores on sale ($180ea) and use your current SBCs and smaller server setups. After I wrote all of this I saw that you are from AUS(I think), so no clue if you can get close to $18 per TB in your area, but prices are coming down every year so sometimes better to just save $$$. It is super fun to think about a new and more powerful setup, plus buying it and putting it together, but as you can see I've done a lot of this thinking already. You are also probably feeling guilty that you have to make use of all your 2TBs, but lots of little HDDs do require more electricity to power up and cool. You need storage density and you cant get around that. Upgrade to 10TB and use the 2TB as a cold storage (backup). You are at a heck of a crossroads because the cost to go from SBCs to a "Proper" server plus buying storage isnt a cheap one. Currently there are limited stepping stones, but more powerful SBCs and Ryzen Embedded are here and on the way so wait if possible. Either way you go, you will spend more money and use up storage faster than you planned... The more powerful SBCs arent always cheap either, once you factor in cost of: memory card, power supply, case, possible heatsink/extra heat sinks, a fan, etc. Their lower price starts creeping into the middle range...


What brand, how many, and how long have the 2TBs been powered on for? It sounds like you are currently swapping out the 2TBs for others depending on what you want to watch and on which HDD it is? Do you have any projected storage numbers and what is your current and future budget? You mentioned that you have a small dedicated server? Is that another SBC or what is with that setup and how many sata ports? I'd forgo the transcoding ideas and nix buying any sort of new "Server" options. Focus on reusing what you have or going with a "Used" setup, so you can start saving that money for when 8TB or 10TB Easystores go on sale.

IMO for a true new build you'd want to price in ECC RAM, UPS, and I personally prefer a case that has hot swap access to HDDs. The Rosewill that meemo linked cant be beat for the price especially since it comes with 7 fans, but it requires extra steps to access the HDDs (internally only), which may be fine for you. There is Mediasonic (JBOD version only) that you could plug into your SBC, but that technically isnt hot swappable either, plus it is USB 3.1 to USB-C which isnt the worst but it isnt the best... I know you wanted to get away from SBCs, but if you disable transcoding there are some SBCs that use SATA to SATA connections that are very viable. Any SBC or standalone storage that uses USB is a potential risk, since USB can suffer connection issues when doing rebuilding, parity, and scrubbing maintenance (same if your power goes out, hence a need for UPS). Helios4 is a time restricted option, since they only open up orders once or twice a year (they are currently taking orders). *I saw a post saying that since the Helios4 is a 32bit processor, so it is limited to 16TB volumes. You get 2GB ECC + 4x SATA and I believe you can use any HDD size with that (double check tho), so 4 separate 10TB volumes (4x$180sale=$720+tax), not including parity... I'm not sure how the 32bit and the 16TB volume limit effect drive pooling... I gotta research more into that. I'm not familiar with the UnRaid, FreeNAS, or the other options that you mentioned, but OpenMediaVault4 has MergerFS drive pooling and Snapraid plugin, you could run 3x storage HDD and 1x parity or you could forgo parity for now. If you prefer Windows (You can also run omv4 on windows in a VM) there is Stablebit Drivepool (Not free) for pooling and then Snapraid (not completely novice friendly) for parity. Depending on the HDD type you could reuse the discarded Easystore enclosures and put your 2TB drives in there (still USB connection). If they are a different brand (non WD/HGST) I think you have to desolder something on the Easystore board? I lost the link on how to do that. You could also just keep the 2TB as cold storage backups, but that still carries a risk, but it's cheaper. You could also get 2nd Helios, but for about the same price you could use that money on a 10TB. That would replace 5x of your 2TB drives... Not too mention the extra electricity to power and cool 5x drives vs 1x drive... As you can see, storage density starts coming into play here, big time.
UPS https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00429N18S/
Mediasonic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YQHWYW/
Helios4 https://shop.kobol.io/collections/frontpage/products/helios4-full-kit-2gb-ecc-3rd-batch-pre-order?variant=18881501528137
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/as17od/helios4_batch_3_available_for_preorder/

There are other SATA SBCs that you could use and you could also do a janky setup and put the SATA SBCs inside a hot swappable case like this Silverstone one. There are other cases, but this is the only name that came to mind. This case also doesnt have any power supply or fans to cool the HDDs so there will be extra cost there, plus you'll need a power supply, PLUS a way to turn on your power supply (with a power board), since that SBC setup wont have a motherboard. You can also make your own "Dumb" JBOD HDD enclosure and connect that to your mini server. Another option to SBCs is the ASRock cpu+mobo line: J3455-ITX, J4105-ITX, annd J5005-ITX. The issue with this that it appears you are still limited to 4x SATA or other variations of these boards have a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot at x1 or x2 transfer lanes/speed instead of x8 or x16... Also you have to factor in the price of ram and a mini PICO power supply. There is a subreddit+website that focuses on used parts for cheap server setups, but you might want to verify the power consumption of those setups when they are idling. With the NAS killer option, you gotta make sure all of the parts are still available on ebay or refurb sites, plus make sure you have time to build your setup to verify everything is working plus stress test it before the return window closes to weed out any weak used parts.
Silverstone https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IAELTAI/
HDD enclosure option https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-5-25-Inch-3-5-Inch-Hot-swap-SATAIII/dp/B00DGZ42SM/
Power Board https://www.amazon.com/Super-Micro-Computer-Supermicro-Cse-ptjbod-cb2/dp/B008FQZHZE
J3455-ITX https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-728
https://www.serverbuilds.net/nas-killer-v30/

Another option if you really want transcoding and a more powerful "Server" would be a Dell Optiplex 7010, which are used business computers that are "Refurbished", but I think they just take them from that company and wipe the hard drive, nothing else. The Minitower Desktop version is roomier than the slightly cheaper SFF (SmallFormFactor) version, which might be important if you want to swap out the power supply, watch the youtube video to get an idea of what you are getting into. Since a cheap power supply is a weak point plus a potential hazard I'd recommend swapping in a new power supply, but you could risk it with its current power supply. Everything else should last for a good while. You'll also need to install a HBA card. You can get Genuine used cards that were in good working order or you could get a new knock off from China. Both options are viable, but personally I prefer the used option. Theartofserver, ebay seller, also has a youtube channel, so I purchased from him, but I have also purchased from other sellers and got good working parts (I think Ebay still has the most honest and accurate rating system out there?). Since the Optiplex doesnt have room for internal HDDs then you are left with a few options with various HBA cards (internal vs external), expander cards, and adapter setups (SFF-8087 to SFF-8088). If you want it to look "Proper" there will be a lot of wasted money on 2x adapters (1x Optiplex + 1x external HDD enclosure) and an extra SFF-8088 cable between the two. I'd just go janky with it and get a longer reverse breakout cable of 3.3feet (4x SATA to 1x SFF-8087), which should be long enough to go from your external HDDs setup into the Optiplex case and internally connected to the HBA card, like the popular 9201-8i. The janky part being that you'll have the reverse breakout cable snaking directly into each case, instead of plugging into an adapter in the back.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K0GNUOG/
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-Breakout-SFF-8087/dp/B018YHS9GM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-LSI-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-LSI-9201-8i-9211-8i-P20-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID/162958581156
Single adapter https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133055
Double adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GPD9QEQ/
SFF-8080 cable https://www.amazon.com/Norco-Technologies-C-SFF8088-External-SFF-8088/dp/B003J9CZCK/

u/akio_c · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

TL;DR get the WD Easy Store it the best and in your price range at the moment.

WD Easy Store is a great external drive. The drive inside is usually a WD Red which is far better than the WD Blues in the WD My Book. The My Book isn't bad but its just that you can get the Easy Store for 89.99 right now where as the My Book is 99.99. The Easy Store also goes on sale a lot with its more expensive sister, the legendary 8tb Easy Store.

Alternatively if neither are available to you for what ever reason I guess you can also get the Seagate Backup Plus. The internal drive is an SMR drive which can be a bit slow at times. All around its about on the same level as the WD Blue in the My Book. A lot of people hate Seagate for many reasons such as the 3tb fiasco and their reputation for lower reliability, but I personally don't have a strong vendetta against them like others do. The Plus also has a built in USB hub which I personally love and me and my brother use all the time. The Plus is also 99.99, same as the My Book.

It seems like you are not going for any sort of redundancy system like RAID and instead use this drive like normal as an external hard drive, so I would strongly advise you stay away from anything refurbished. Refurbished is only great in systems using RAID so drive failure is not as much of an issue. I have nothing against using refurbished its just more of a gamble to take since the failure rate of a refubished hard drive is completely unknown to you. Each refurbisher is going to be different, and each drive is going to be a different case where it is in its life. You can save a lot of money buying a 3tb Hitachi Ultrastar for only 49.99, but you would need to buy an adapter if you want to use it as an external hard drive.

u/edgan · 81 pointsr/DataHoarder

Raw storage:

u/gj80 · 19 pointsr/DataHoarder

Well, setting up a 24-bay fileserver is certainly one obvious approach, but it costs some money. I put together a new 24-bay hotswap server recently. Assembly was required. You can buy ready-to-go solutions, but you will generally pay much more. I could pull up the parts list if that's of interest to you.

You can sometimes buy used servers for less than the cost of a new setup, but a lot of the used ones floating around have backplanes that won't recognize drives greater than 2TB.

Edit: as requested, parts list + setup notes below.

PARTS


CASE:


NORCO RPC-4224

https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916/

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA00Y5105458

OS SSD:


https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-256GB-SKC400S37-256G/dp/B019SDOHMQ/

128GB

** connected to one of the onboard SATA slots on the motherboard and installed internally ... duct tape against one of the sides of the case works fine as a mounting solution.

CPU:


Xeon E3-1225 v5 SkyLake 3.0 GHz 8MB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3ZC0476

RAM:


DDR4, 16GB, ECC

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-ValueRAM-KVR21E15D8-16/dp/B01DKBPY2E/

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820242215

MOTHERBOARD:


SUPERMICRO MBD-X11SAT-O ATX Server Motherboard LGA 1151 Intel C236

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813183022

"3x PCI-E 3.0 x16 (run at 16/NA/16 or 16/8/8), 1x PCI-E 3.0 x1 (in x4), and 1x 5V PCI 32-bit slots"

POWER SUPPLY:


http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supernova-Supply-Certified-110-B2-0850-V1/dp/B00KYK1CC6

SAS CABLES:


http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-30AWG-Internal-36-Pin-SFF-8087/dp/B008VLHOR2

Quantity: 6

HBAs:

SUPERMICRO AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 PCI-Express 2.0 x8 SATA / SAS 8-Port Controller Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101792

http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SAS2LP-MV8.cfm

It says "Windows 2003, 2008 and Vista" but I downloaded the driver and it explicitly states in the readme that it is WHQL certified: "Certified for Microsoft Windows 10 Client family, x64". I'm personally using this HBA driver with a Windows 10 system and a Server 2016 system with no issues.

Also - this comes with a full height bracket as well as low profile. Mine have come with the low profile bracket installed by default, so you probably need to swap them.

You could use LSI/etc cards, but these actually come as HBAs - that's all they do, so there's no need to go through an annoying flash process to get IT mode. Also, they're cheap, and they work well for me. I can't vouch for their unix driver status, however - so do some research if you will be using linux/bsd/etc.

Quantity: 3

FAN CONTROLLER (Optional ... see below)


Sentry AC SEN-MIX2-M1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DN3IT7M/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&th=1

Total ATM : $1661


SETUP NOTES:


You will need extra molex connectors beyond what the EVGA PS above supplies. You can either order another 3-Molex lead (it's a modular power supply) and install that into one of the free modular "Accessory" power ports, or you can use splitters to convert 3 SATA power -> Molex.

As with other Norco models, you kind of need to take the fan wall out, unscrew the fans, remove the metal "finger guards", install the guards on the other side, then mount the fans on the other side. So that the fans are on the opposite side of the cage as when you first started, but the air flow is still moving in the same direction. If you don't do this, you won't have enough room to comfortably fit non-right-angle SAS + Molex connectors into the backplane. The downside is that the chassis includes a little metal shelf that hangs off the other side of the fan wall on which you can mount 2 SSDs. You can't use that if you flip the fans. If you can find right-angle connectors for both SAS + Molex, then you could do that instead of having to bother with this.

Including the CPU fan, you will need 6 x 3-pin fan power headers to drive all the fans. I ended up being 1 short. I used a fan controller instead (the above), but I had a heck of a time fitting it into the chassis. I managed to sorta-kinda screw it in against the back of the chassis along the top, but it was a pain. I would probably just try to find and use some Molex -> Fan adapter cables instead.

WHAT I WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY IN HINDSIGHT:


  • Find some right-angle SAS and right-angle molex connectors or adapters so I didn't have to swap the fan arrangement on the fan wall.
  • Buy shorter SAS cables. I just automatically ordered long ones, but they were way way too long, and it was messy trying to tuck all the excess behind the fan wall.
  • Avoid using the fan controller (though it helps to be able to spin loud, high-RPM fans down)
  • Possibly buy an M.2 SSD for the OS SSD instead... though M.2 SSDs can get awfully hot. Still probably the better option.

u/vApe_Escape · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

>I'd go ahead and copy your data to the new drive, but don't remove it from the old ones until you have to.

Well that's the thing. I'd pretty much have to right away. My drives are currently pretty much maxed out which is why I need to get another so I can have some free space to work with. I mentioned copying a few to the new drive so I could "break it in" for the first couple of months while still having the data backed up in case it does fail so I wont lose any date but I will need the extra space fairly quickly.

Here are the ones I was looking at:

https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Canvio-Basics-Portable-HDTB330XK3CA/dp/B00T5ME88Y/

https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0040HBK-NESN/dp/B01LQQHL4E/

I was also looking at the Seagate 3t one that is like $90 but I've heard a lot of terrible things about Seagate. (Its worth noting that none of these would ever leave my house and would pretty much just be plugged in 24/7)

Thanks for your help by the way. I'm just getting started and I'm already pretty confused and a bit intimidated by it all. I felt so much more secure in my ignorance when I just bought drives with good reviews, moved files there, and did nothing else but after reading the sub I know I've got a long way to go. I didn't even know about the Crystal Disk programs or that I should be checking that stuff until yesterday. I can't even begin to understand RAID, NAS, NTFS, Unraid, drivepool, parity, etc. and every time I try to look up tutorials and overviews on this stuff it just leads to more things I have no clue about. Fortunately, I've got a while to learn before I'm able to afford to do anything like that and I've learned a ton from this sub already.

I'm not an idiot when it comes to computers but you guys sure make me look like one.

u/70melbatoast · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Thanks everyone for the very helpful information. I think I've narrowed it down, and if anyone wants to chime in, please do. I really want to do this right, and to that end, I will have continued patience.

It comes down to this:

I really, really like the Fractal Define XL R2. The design is exactly what I am looking for. I shouldn't worry so much about its looks as it wont really be seen, but I can't get over how good it looks. That said, I can't seem to find any information about modifying the lower front fan locations to accept more front load hotswap bays. Sure, I have the upper 4 to use, but am unsure about the bottom.

With the above said, The Antec Nine Hundred will do exactly what I want, thanks to /u/zonedguy. But the look of the case itself is not appealing to me at all. I really need to stop worrying about that and get over it.

Lastly the Rosewill RSV-L4412 will do what I want, looks good, but I will have to get creative with where I put it. Yeah, its more than twice the price of the Antec, but its completely futureproofed. I was thinking of putting it on its side, strapped to a wall, or shelf for now. I can always add an abundance of rack hardware to it in the future.

The hunt continues. Thanks again for the help!

u/Sweet_Vandal · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Yeah, but with one minor correction: I am not using a breakout in the PC. MB SATA -> 8088 Adapter -> 8088-to-8087 Adapter -> SATA breakout (the listing doesn't actually specify that it's Forward, but the description would make think so) -> HDDs

Yes, all layer one. Every adapter is totally passive.

Expensive? Yeah, probably if I had used two of the dual adapters (which, honestly, now that I'm typing this out I feel like a dingus for not having done that - I'm not sure what I was thinking). This was a cheaper alternative to purchasing a 4-bay Mediasonic and would potentially support up to six drives (assuming I get it working). I could have just run a bunch of long SATA cables between chassis, but that would be really messy, cable-wise, and there's no way I'd be able to move both enclosures at the same time. Unless there's some kind of SATA aggregate option, seemed like my best way to go (which, if that's a thing, I'd be interested in that route too, but some quick-ish googling didn't turn much up).

I was reading about some of those changes in the BIOS, IDE vs AHCI - is that what you're referring to? That certainly could be it, since I did see one drive initially. I'll look into that (and MB support...) tonight while I wait on the PSU replacement.

No intention of using the port multipliers. If I need more than four, I'll probably focus on just running another SATA->SAS adapter and use the second port on the 8088->8087 bracket.

u/Xertez · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Dynamic disks have gotten a lot better, haha. If you are going with the case you own, There are some internal enclosures that can hold 5 3.25 in drives per 5 in bay. Like this. With the benefit of being hot swappable. If you don't care wether or not things are hot swappable, you can go cheaper and get better air flow.

You can also get a box case like this which has the bays built in and just fit it with a good motherboard, processor, maybe an HBA and maybe a NIC. Honestly, with current parts, you should be able to saturate 1 gigabit drop. Since we are dealing with pictures and videos, I'm thinking you'll be reading and writing sequentially for the most part which maximizes your read/write speeds.

Take a quick look at this before you buy your drives, that way you have the option to balance price with storage. 10TB drives usually cost more than what you get, especially since the 12TB drives are cheaper per gig right now. If you don't want to pay that much for a drive, you can go with one of the cheaper 8TB or shuck for an even lower price with a bit more effort on your part.

As for pre-built appliances, you can go with something like this or this both can saturate your network and give you the storage you desire.

Edit: My first gold, thank you!!

u/tya1999 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

It does look pretty sweet except that "Price: $224.32AU + $268.58AU Delivery ($492.90AUD, or $350USD)", "Shipped from and sold by Amazon US". https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B0091IZ1ZG/

If the shipping wasn't so expensive, yeah. I don't mind paying for a product, but paying to have the privilege of buying it is kinda annoying. Rosewill has always been difficult to get here. Based on this review, heaven forbid I have to send it back...

> CyberSkulls

> 4.0 out of 5 stars

> Great value, but quality is hit or miss

> 3 March 2018 - Published on Amazon.com

> Capacity: 4U, 15 Bays & 7 Fans Verified Purchase

> I've probably bought 25 of these chassis over the years. The quality is extremely hit or miss or for lack of a better term, sub par. Then why 4 stars? For a $100 chassis, it's still an extremely great value. You just have to know upfront they typically don't check these for quality before they leave the factory. So if a chassis has issues, it will make it all the way to your door, it will never be caught at the factory.

> Example is I received six more of these a week or so ago. Out of those six, one had a lock that just wouldn't work no matter how hard you turned the key. One was missing all the motherboard standoffs. One had wires pinched below the drive cages so it literally had exposed wires in it for the front panel connections. One had too many left hand drive slides (the blue ones that slide into the cages) and not enough right side ones. And finally one of them had the motherboard standoffs over drilled where the standoff goes in basically at an angle and wouldn't line up with the screw. So what I did is take one chassis, tear it down for the spare components, fixed each of the above issues on the other chassis and basically created a chassis full of issues to exchange with Amazon. It was better than returning five chassis to Amazon and possibly playing this same game again.

u/rico9001 · 14 pointsr/DataHoarder

I personally don't care for Seagate because of Blackblaze mostly but also the horror stories I hear from time to time. I'm a longevity buyer or BIFL (buy it for life). I work in a datacenter and know that drives are never bifl but I do my best. Recently I looked for a large drive for my brother to put in his laptop. Seagate was the only drive available for the larger sizes in his price range. I found a sale for a WD External Hard Drive 4tb where basically he would pay $90 for a large external drive. That was what I went with for him as WD are better drives from what I've seen as well as they're a bit more reliable.


I've noticed that Seagate puts a LOT of money into advertising which I understand works some but if your drives are high failure rate then people that consistently buy drives may stop buying them such as those on r/datahoarders . Personally even WD drives aren't as reliable and if I buy anymore for myself I'll be paying a bit extra to get HGST due to their quality which overall is more important to me. I'd suggest to Seagate that they increase quality and decrease advertising some if they need money from somewhere. If I found that Seagate quality increased to HGST standards even if it was a NEW LINE; I'd be very inclined to spend money on a high end Seagate with a better warranty.

u/HoDigiArch · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Homelab newbie here, and starting plan for migration to unRAID: just the 24-bay case seems to be a good deal, compared to something like this. I do need to be power conscious, but this seems like a good enough deal to jump on anyway.

If I buy one of these, are there any considerations if I add new components vs. buying a new case or am I locked into hardware? Also, is there anything other than processor and better PSU that I can look at to improve power draw?

Thanks all! This subreddit has been invaluable in getting myself up to speed. :)

u/ShortSleeveinWinter · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

WD Mybook 8TB for £119.99 (until midnight UK time on the 16th of July):


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LWVT81X/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01LWVT81X&linkCode=as2&tag=amoves-21&linkId=109e41ed89969139d870a312cd99835b



We can finally feel like Americans for a day with these bargain prices. You need to sign up for Prime as well but if you don't have an active prime membership, you can also start a new Prime trial if you haven't used your 30-day trial in the last 365 days. I just checked and these are the lowest prices these 8TB hard drives have ever been sold for in the UK.

They also have the WD Elements Desktop 8TB on a Prime Day sale for £124:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07FNK6QMT/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amoves-21&camp=1634&creative=6738&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07FNK6QMT&linkId=7a13bc41e7e1867b91417ef49df553e1


From what I've read it's quite similar to the MyBook but doesn't offer backup, encryption and password protection by default. Both are good for schucking. The main advantage of the Elements Desktop 8TB seems to be the ease of adding another drive in its case later on if you decide to schuck it.


The Seagate Expansion 8TB is on sale for only £109 and I've heard only good things about it in comparison to their smaller drives which seem to be problematic. I went with the MyBook 8TB myself.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07DQBFQ2D/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amoves-21&camp=1634&creative=6738&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07DQBFQ2D&linkId=28f3f183cd50ec9d3adf5c102ece5daa

The only other good deal I found was the Western Digital My Passport 4TB Portable. Still debating whether to buy it as well or get another Mybook 8tb. It is currently on sale for only £75 which is the second lowest price ever for it in the UK:


https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LQQH86A/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=amoves-21&camp=1634&creative=6738&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01LQQH86A&linkId=54e3c55ae8c90b3e6a3f373dfb0b7335

u/teirhan · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

I'm a fan of the IBM M1015 which is commonly recommended for FreeNAS builds; it's a rebadged LSI card and can be easily reflashed to run in HBA mode.

They're pretty cheap for RAID cards, and I've had good luck finding free ones in decommissioned servers at work. I also have heard they're relatively easy to find cheaply on ebay.

u/Mike12344321 · 7 pointsr/DataHoarder

I recommend the DS414j stuffed with WD Red 3TB for price performace or WD Red 6TB for max storage.

This meets all your criteria:

  • ( 4*3TB=12TB or 4*6TB=24TB ) > 5TB.
  • DS414j supports RAID 5 or SHR, which both allow single disk hot swap redundancy and hot swap upgrade.
  • DS414j stuffed with WD Red 3TB comes to $844, $14 over your price range. If you really can't overbudget, I suggest going with 3 drives, or even non-nas drives.
  • Synology is Plug and Play.
  • Synology supports RAID 0,1,5,6,10,JBOD and SHR.
  • Yes, it's a file system :p It stores everything ever and probably streams it too.
  • Synology GUI is very comprehensive.
u/broken_cogwheel · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

I don't know of any guides, but for the home user, it's really not expensive or difficult.

What you need, besides HBA in your host machine, is just a bunch of cabling. If you don't have an HBA...cheap and available on ebay.

Just an FYI: Most hard drives don't use a lot of power. (you can look up the max power requirements for specific drives through their manufacturer spec sheet) A 500 watt power supply can often supply the vast majority of that over the 12v rails. Your power supply can run many more disks than it has provisions for, so splitter cables are often the only way to maximize your chassis disk space. As I mentioned before: don't use cables with molded connectors. Cables like https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086OGN9E - you can see they are plastic and snap around the cables themselves and aren't a molded piece.

The super quick and dirty to expand your storage past your server computer's space or power capabilities is:

u/gd2246 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Yes you would put the LSI 9201-16e into a PCIe slot on your current HTPC. Then you would run up to four SAS to SATA cables inside the back of the new case. There will be a big rectangular hole in the back because the tiny power board doesn't have an IO shield (or any IO in the back at all). The cables are a meter long so they should reach just fine.

As for some kind of pre-built all-in-one unit, the only thing that comes to mind is something like the NetApp DS4243. These can be found pretty cheap on eBay but I don't recommend one because they only use server power supplies that are VERY loud. Like jet-engine loud. Seriously, unless you keep both computers in a garage or basement you don't want to actually live anywhere near these things.

If you do have a basement or something though and want to get one, you would still use the LSI 9201-16e but instead use SAS to SAS cables as they have four SAS ports on the back and you would just slide the drives into the front. Everything inside is already connected.

Be aware though that most don't come with HDD trays so you'll have to buy them separately, and the ones that do usually have old 1 TB drives in them already which drives up the price. But even if you think 24 TB extra is good for whatever they're asking, you have to remember they are heavily used in a server environment and likely to die soon, not mention the electricity costs of powering all those drives with 4 server PSUs, and again the NOISE.

Plus there are compatibility issues that even I don't fully understand. You definitely should read up on them before buying one, but really it's not worth the trouble IMO.

I think you're better off going with one of the other options.

EDIT: NetApp DS4243 SAS Disk Shelf Fan Noise

u/Glix_1H · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

If all you’ll ever do is some streaming, then yeah you don’t need 10g. If you ever want to work on files on the NAS though, then once you go 10g you never want to go back. For example I store, sort and process tend thousands of pictures for my research work (alongside my general data hoarding habits) and my 26TB array acts like a sata ssd. A 1g connection is painfully limiting and slow dealing with that as it’s a bottleneck. It’s good to have the option, which you should thanks to your multi pcie slot board.

Also, the great thing about a NAS build is it doesn’t need to be pretty. You can literally just zip tie everything to a milkcrate or hardboard/pegboard. All you really need is the keep the hard drives from vibrating too much and give them some airflow via spacers and fans.

Eventually I’m going to fabricate my own top loading hard drive bin with wood and backplanes (and felt or rubber acting as spacers) and use an external pointing version of HBA cards to link them up with the host computer.

By the way, to connect an internal HBA like I linked above to sata drives, you’ll want these kind of cables: Cable Matters Internal Mini SAS... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018YHS8BS

u/shadeland · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

My go-to easy external storage is portable hard drives. You can get 4 TB ones for about $100 USD. Because they're powered by the USB connection, I find them more handy than the external powered larger ones (I also travel a lot, making portable ones more practical).

I've used mostly WD portable hard drives, and have had good luck with them (however my sample size is small).

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/

The important thing is to never let a single copy of important data exist. Make sure it exists on two or more places.

u/zonedguy · 6 pointsr/DataHoarder

You can definitely stick with the Fractal series. I did because I couldn't have a loud, unsightly machine setup anywhere in my home. I have my main system w/ 10 Drives + 2 SSDs + 3 NVME drives in an R6. That has a DAS connected with 19 drives inside an R5; 8 stock bays + 3 in 2x5.25 bay adapter + extra 3 drive cage + extra 5 drive cage.

As you are in Europe, you might not even have to pay crazy shipping charges to buy spare drive cages from https://www.fractal-design-shop.de/Define-R5_1. In the US I had to source the extra drive cages from r/hardwareswap but that proved to be easier than I expected. Here is a pic I took before I added the 2nd 5-bay drive cage: https://imgur.com/a/TWL8IB1

Edit: Request for more info...

I have not done a build log as I am not yet "finished" with the build, but it looks like there is sufficient demand for parts info so here it goes:

I have an R6 for my main NAS server loaded with the motherboard, 10 3.5 drives and one SSD. The R5 has two extra drive cages (3 + 5) as well a 2x5.25-to-3x3.5 bay adapter.

The expansion cards I use are:

  • 1x LSI 9210-8i with SAS to SATA cables for 8 of the 10 internal drives in the R6. The other 2 + SSD use SATA ports on the motherboard.

  • 1x LSI-9207-8e connected via 8088 cables to two HP SAS expanders powered in the R6 by riser cards which connect to the drives with the same SAS to SATA cables as above.

    Additional parts I used:

  • An SFX PSU is important so you can fix the extra drive cages. Don't skimp on this one. You don't need a ton of Watts (I'm using a 600W Gold) but you need quality, you are hooking up thousands of dollars of drives to it!

  • Power splitters: One & Two

  • Power switch to turn on the DAS PSU and reset it any time you need to take the NAS offline (DAS always must be powered on first)
  • Fan controller for powering fans in the DAS

    More inspiration can be found here: https://www.serverbuilds.net/16-bay-das
u/ndboost · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I have two DS4243's in my lab at home both full of 2TB Hitachi spinning rust (potentially two more shelves coming if I win the auctions) connected via adapter cables (QSFP+ to SFF-8088) to an IBM M1015 card internally.

The NetApp DS4243 is QSFP+, and it is 3Gb/s (the last number in the model is the transfer rate) you will need to convert that to SFF-8088, and then from SFF-8088 to SFF-8087 if your JBOD card doesn't have SFF-8088 ports externally. Or you can find a compatible QSFP+ card for your NAS.

I have heard murmurs that the DS4243 can be picky about the disks you put in them. I got the two I have with disks already, but IIRC you just need to reformat them into a specific format or something to get them to show up with the DS4243 so be aware of that.

FWIW if you aren't worried about noise so much, the DS4243 can be picked up for about $100-$150 without disks and I'd argue is the best bang for the buck. Even then its the quietest thing in my lab unless they're spinning up from a cold boot.

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So to recreate my setup you'd need the following:

  • 1x - CableDeconn SFF-8088 to SFF-8087 Adapter Bracket
  • 2x - SFF-8087 to SFF-8087 cables
  • 1x - IBM M1015 flashed to IT Mode
  • 2x - NetApp DS4243 JBOD Shelves
  • 2x - QSFP+ to SFF-8088 Cables ~1m - 3m in length
  • 2x - QSFP+ to QSFP+ cables

    You'd connect it all up like this in order from top to bottom:

  • IBM M105
  • 2x SFF-8087 to SFF-8087 cables
  • SFF-8087 to SFF-8088 adapter bracket
  • 2x QSFP+ to SFF-8088 cables
  • 1st DS4243
  • 2x QSFP+ to QSFP+ cables
  • 2nd DS4243

    FYI, You can chain (I think max is two) the DS4243's together.
u/MrChocolateBear · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

I've looked a little into HBAs, since you mentioned them, and I'm definitely intrigued! Probably a dumb question, but I had trouble finding an answer: Would I be able to use an HBA in addition to the onboard SATA ports or does it replace them? If I were to follow your setup, I'd need to do the following:

  • Pick-up a IBM 1015M off Amazon, eBay, or get a one pre-flashed to it mode.
  • Pick-up two SFF-8087 mini-SAS to SATA cable (Amazon)
  • Flash the IBM 1015M using the steps outlined on Serve The Home to convert the firmware from LSI9240 to LSI9211-IT mode.

    Does that seem correct or did you follow a different set of steps?

    Once again, thanks for taking the time to help me out with this! If I can get an HBA working, it seems like it would be a major improvement, allowing me to get the most out of my setup! :D
u/drashna · 5 pointsr/DataHoarder

My case supports 36 drive bays. I paid a good amount for it.

As for power... make sure you have enough "room" on the +12VDC line on your power supply for all of your drives. IIRC, 2A per drive is a good idea (plenty of room for spin up, and other components).

As for space, the 5 in 3 or similar backplanes allow you to convert the 5.25" bays into hard drive bays.

SAS is another way to go. If you don't mind the sound:

u/yozzy_zxyah · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Since we're talking aesthetics, I like the My Passport drives better than both of these: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A

It's on sale apparently (I think it's just going to be this reduced price from now on) which brings the 2 tb to the same price.

I've had one on these for ages and it's small, nice, really fast, and looks great sitting on the desk.

u/wrtcdevrydy · 6 pointsr/DataHoarder

Okay, here's what you're going to want to learn.

Mini-SAS comes in two versions (internal - 8087 or external - 8088).

If you want to connect drives internally, you get an LSI card with internal (8i, 16i)

If you want to connect drives externally, you get an LSI card with external (8e, 16e)

Say you have two boxes, you need one external LSI card with 8088 and one passthrough 8088-8087 card.

You'll need 8087 cables to SATA (an 8i card will have two ports for 2 cables where each support 4 sata cables)

You'll need 8088 cables to connect the external cards together

Figure out how many SATA hard drives you want to support.

8e - 8 SATA drives per external card.

16e - 16 SATA drives per external card.

Shopping List for 16 External Hard Drives from one computer to another:

External Card ($30): https://www.ebay.com/itm/LSI-6GB-16-Port-SAS-SATA-HBA-Controller-Card-SAS9201-16e-H3-25379-01G-Grade-A/273461892263?hash=item3fab9954a7:g:CSMAAOSwfkFbm-XI:sc:USPSFirstClass!33175!US!-1

Mini-SAS Passthrough (2 x $30): https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-SFF-8088-SFF-8087-Adapter-bracket/dp/B00PRXOQFA

8087 to SATA (4 x $8): https://www.amazon.com/CableCreation-SFF-8087-female-Internal-Splitter/dp/B013JP7YI8/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_147_bs_lp_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AYXPARRHH92MDMM64NJJ

8088 to 8088 (4 x $15): https://www.amazon.com/CableDeconn-SAS26P-SFF-8088-External-Attached/dp/B00S7KTXW6/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1537045400&sr=1-3&keywords=8088+to+8088

Edit: Please don't hesitate to ask questions before spending money, just make us a diagram showing where your disks are and where you want to hook them up.

u/dawgol · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Yes. As you noted, you can basically have an HBA card point inside or outside the case.

In my experience, 4U all in one 24/28 hotswap bay cases are stupid long and heavy, and frankly an unforgiving design for home use. Those external HBA cards can potentially let you have a short/thin computer case, and stick all your drives in a separate enclosure with their own power supply and/or backplanes. Typically in such a setup the drives are plugged into an Expander Card that could just be powered by one of these. Then you can move things around and easily and all you need to plug and unplug are the external cables without reconnecting dozens of drives.

There are a load of ways you can go about things as long as you do your research and triple check that things are going to work the way you expect them to.

​

For now you most likely just want a plain old internal HBA, even if you decide to redesign your enitre setup you'll find a use for it somewhere. Search ebay "Dell H310 6Gbps SAS HBA LSI 9211-8i" and you should see plenty of options for "IT firmware" pre-flashed cards for ~$55. Note that these cards are generally intended for cases with forced air, so it's highly recommended to put a fan over the heatsink on them to prevent problems that can sometimes happen.

I use one of These. Took off the heat sink, cleaned the old paste of, drilled two holes in the corners, put the heatsink back on with some of my spare kryonaut, and used twist ties to mount the fan to the heatsink. No issues for over a year nor would I expect any.

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If you want to connect sata SSD's directly to the HBA, you need one of these cables, just make sure you know what length of cable you need, and if getting a right angled version is prudent before ordering. If you had disks connected to a backplane that feature an SAS connection, you could use one of these. Some motherboards like the asrock x399 taichi, supermicro boards, and an increasing amount of others now feature a "U.2" port that can be seen here. These U.2 ports (to my current understanding, I could be mistaken) should not be expected to have an actual SAS controller implemented and the ability to control SAS drives unless they explicity state that as being possible, but these ports should support sata disks using the breakout cables like the one here.

u/enigmo666 · 18 pointsr/DataHoarder

I must have over 100 USB sticks now, everything from 512MB up to 1TB. Like you I used a lot of them for bootable ISOs. Had 6-8 of them on a large keyring too, just for emergencies.
Can I make a recommendation, though? Two actually. First is the IODD2531. It's an external USB HDD caddy, but you can drop ISOs on it and you can select them individually from the unit and it'll emulate an optical drive. I've installed everything from Server 2019 on big-box HP and Dell servers, to Windows 98se after some tinkering. You need to supply your own drive, but mine has a 256GB SSD and I've never looked back.
The other is something I've not tried and only found recently called Easy2Boot. I like playing retro games which means retro machines need building, and this comes recommended by lots in the community. Similar idea to the IODD, but USB based.


Edit: For clarity, the IODD box is the OEM version of the Zalman VE350. When I was looking into getting one, I found the Zalman was a similar price, but the stock IODD firmware more flexible. You can flash between the two at will, though.

u/smmsp · 7 pointsr/DataHoarder

I'm not an expert on backplanes by any means, but I don't think there are any standards for them across manufacturers. Each is made to fit a specific chassis.

If you want to avoid proprietary, you could get something like this. It will fit several different board form factors. I believe you can remove the front drive cages, which essentially leaves you with a load of 5.25" bays that you can load up with a couple of these, which are essentially self contained, four slot SATA backplanes that fit in 3 5.25" bays.

Again, I'm no expert, but I've seen some posts of similar setups as this and am considering doing this myself if I ever have the space for a rack.

u/PiHasItAll · 11 pointsr/DataHoarder

If performance is a concern I would definitely NOT choose Synology or UnRAID. Synology will have a slow CPU and limited RAM. UnRAID will be limited to the performance of just 1 disk for reads and writes because it doesn't stripe. (as you said, they don't span the file system across multiple drives).

I would buy a 24 bay 4U chassis, put in whatever motherboard that's in your price range made by Super Micro that has expansion slots, 16/32/64GB of ECC RAM, a low-grade Xeon CPU (or 4th gen i3), 1-3 IBM m1015 sas/sata controllers in IT mode to support software raid (or use sas expanders with just 1 m1015), and start building your ZFS pools in 8x10TB RAIDZ2 bunches. This way you can eventually get to 180TB usable with 3x 8x10TB RAIDZ2 in that box.

Use either CentOS 7 with ZFS support or Ubuntu Server. For production data, ZFS or gtfo imo.

u/Tiberizzle · 7 pointsr/DataHoarder

http://www.chenbro.com/en-global/products/Storage_Expansion_Kit/SAS_Expander_Card/CK23601 + fanout cables + https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/5n1an0/supermicro_24_bay_servers_are_very_cheap_on_ebay/ + https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/host-bus-adapters/sas-9200-8e + 2x external mini-SAS cables

You can pull the motherboard/CPUs/etc out of the Supermicro chassis, use the fanout cables to attach the backplane to the expander, use the SAS-9200-8e to connect your NAS head to your new SAS expander disk enclosure via external mini-SAS

Instead of the Supermicro you can use the Norco RPC-4224 chassis, you will need mini-sas to mini-sas internal cabling instead of mini-sas to fanout for this chassis' backplane, and it will likely be a good few hundred dollars more expensive than the Supermicro (which is generally considered to have higher build quality)

Instead of the Chenbro expander, you can swap one of the Supermicro expander backplanes into the Supermicro chassis and use an internal to external adapter (http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_cables_adapters/AD8788-2.asp) to bring the ports to the back of the chassis, but I believe some revisions of the expander backplane are limited to 2TB disk support

Instead of an -8e controller (2 4-lane external mini-sas ports) You can use a -8i (2 4-lane internal mini-sas ports) controller (or cheaper variation, such as the venerable IBM M1015) with an internal to external adapter to reduce interface cost on the NAS head side

The LSI SAS controller chipsets with the Chenbro expander (or other expander utilizing the LSI expander chipset) should allow multiple external mini-SAS ports to be utilized in active/active between the expander and controller (regardless of what the ports on the expander are labeled, in most cases), but other SAS controller / expander combinations may only work with a single 4-lane link

Note that you want to minimize both internal and external cable lengths, and use high quality cables, if you are going to use internal to external adapters (particularly if you're going to use the adapters on both ends of the link), because the adapters add insertion loss to the signal path above what is factored into the maximum cable length specifications

The Supermicro chassis is very loud in the stock configuration, but you can swap the internal fans for quieter ones, and I believe there are compatible power supplies which are much quieter -- worth noting that you will need to replace the fans or use adapter cables with molex connectors (which can be 7V/inline resister type adapters to slow down the stock fans) anyway because there will not be motherboard fan headers for the stock fans

You probably need a board / adapter to either permanently short or inline a switch to control the PS_ON signal without a motherboard (e.g. https://www.amazon.com/CRJ-24-Pin-Switch-Jumper-Sleeved/dp/B01MSY4966/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1484011915&sr=1-7&keywords=power+supply+bridge or similar), Chenbro used to make a fancy kit for mounting the SAS expander as a motherboard with an ATX control board but these seem pretty hard to find (part UEK-23601 if you're interested), and I rather suspect Supermicro may have a part somewhere in their catalog for converting the chassis to a JBOD like this

u/Hewlett-PackHard · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I am shucking STDR4000100's. There's an older-ish article on them. They now have the newer SKU of internal drive, ending in 24 instead of 16, no longer the exact same as article but might as well be. They are low wattage and run cool which is nice.

le edit: There's a 5TB model now too. Can't personally vouch for them, but same enclosure so they're shuckable. Is almost certainly a ST5000LM000 internally.

u/ruralcricket · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Do you need to keep each person's data private from the other users? If so, then an external USB drive is probably not an option.

Edit: If an external USB is OK, consider a WD xTB My Book. The drives can be removed and added to a desktop PC/NAS later if you change your mind.

https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0060HBK-NESN/dp/B01LQQHL4E/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1

u/IInvocation · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Hi,

first for the "crazy 8 TB rigs" - most Hoarders buy disks like https://www.amazon.de/wdbwlg0080hbk-eesn-Elements-Desktop-3-0-Festplatte-Schwarz/dp/B07FNK6QMT/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=wd+elements+8tb&qid=1567671167&s=gateway&sr=8-1 , because these (those with 8TB and more) should be as reliable as WD Reds - but they're much cheaper. (You only have to move them out of the enclosure - this is called "shucking") - you really should check the price of these where you live.

Also - i've found the following article:
https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/53689/hndfq/WD-My-Book-8-Tt-ulkoinen-kovalevy?list=OZCYf7ha6uyhaYZEZXqEwOCsOthAeWO9ZE92OOQQsg (This doesnt really sound that expensive for me - there's probably even better deals... Also - german amazon seems to ship to finland so...\^\^)

Only thing to note is:
You'll sooner or later run into something like the 3,3v bug where a shucked drive isnt recognized by the computer.
There's several solutions like:

  1. Taping the 3,3v pin (i hate this method - every time u unplug - you'll probably have to reapply the tape)
  2. Use Molex-to-Sata Adapter (this removes 3,3v) (risky with cheap adapters, see "molex to sata - lose all your data"
  3. Use a sata-power-splitter without 3,3v (which is what i do by now), see for example:
    https://www.amazon.de/deleyCON-S-ATA-Strom-adapter-Y-Adapter-SATA-Stromkabel/dp/B01F24PMV0/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=sata+power+splitter&qid=1567671837&s=gateway&sr=8-3 (It's missing the orange cable - so it doesnt have 3,3v which is good for "our" use case)

    As for ZFS - i can only recommend - i'm using mirrored vdev's myself - and i've already seen it repair 256KB that I'd never know to be damaged if i had not used ZFS. (OK - it's nothing - but still i want my data they way it was when i put it there...) Can't say much about compression or deduplication - since my files wouldnt benefit from this - so i never even bothered trying.
u/Steffwiz · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

I have a Norco 4224 and I'm pretty happy with it. It's often <$350 shipped on Amazon when it's in stock and holds 24 drives.

As for HBAs, I have 3 Fujitsu D2607s (LSI 9211-8i) crossflashed to IT mode that run about $25 each shipped on eBay each will attach 8 drives.

u/raize221 · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

Snappy Driver Installer Origin

Download the application, download the indexes only then download the printer driverpack. Portable program and everything is stored in the file structure and already compressed. Occasionally launch the program to download updates.

Or, in the true spirit of this sub, download the full driverpack torrent and have most (Windows) drivers you could need on a USB stick.

Alternatively, a live USB of a Linux distro that includes CUPS and non-free packages by default (eg. Mint or Solus) will boot on just about anything and print to just about any printer without updates.

Further down the rabbit hole: Get an Iodd 2351 or similar and drop in 120+ GB SSD and have multiple bootable Linux ISOs, a WinPE rescue disc (one I like), every windows install media and all the driverpacks available to any computer that can boot to a USB CD-ROM. Since you're talking apocalypse scenario, better hang onto Windows Updates as well... You never know what you may need, right?

u/FlatusGiganticus · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

> they are big

Wow, amazon even refers to is as a "gigantic big tower". They really want to make sure you realize it is big.

u/TheCheapNinja · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

LSI LOGIC SAS 9207-8i Storage Controller LSI00301


Mini-SAS to 4x SATA Forward Breakout Cable


I picked up one of these cards and the breakout cables and it handles 8TB drives, easy to install. Works great

u/iamwhoiamtoday · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

You might want to check out the ODROID-HC1.
I have a Seagate 4TB 2.5" in mine, and it is fantastic for backups.
It can handle being a seedbox and Plex Server. Just don't do too much transcoding from it. (It got about 2FPS when transcoding 1080P H.264 -> H.265 in ffmpeg)
Hardware accelerated NIC is really nice.

u/reefsurfer226 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

if you can wrangle up a little more I love these WD 4tb drives

just reformat it, when you get it, their software is crap

u/NightKingsBitch · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Amazon doesn’t seem to carry it anymore, but it’s a rosewill b2 spirit. Same case as the deep silence 6 but without sound dampening. Here’s the link to the deep silence 6. Only thing you have to do is get 5.25 to 3.5 converters. But the 4 dvd drive bays convert to 6 hard drive bays


Deep Silence 6 Super Tower HPTX Case for Sensitive Audio Workstation and Storage Dense Applications, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DSFDSUS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_M2BpDb5EPDDV1

u/descention · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

Before ceph:
Two bay dns323 with raid1 and two 3TB disks. Power supply died recently.

With ceph:
I have one server, for now, with three 3TB disks and one SSD for the journal in a hotswap bay. I have ProxMox installed in the server and used that to manage ceph instead of ceph-deploy.

I created a ceph filesystem with one disk and mounted the raid to copy data to ceph. At this point my pool size is 1 (no replication) to allow a healthy state. My crush map is set to allow replication across disks instead of requiring replication across hosts. After the data was migrated, I added the other two disks to ceph and set the pool size to 2 for replication (raid5 equivalent?). It took some time for the data (~1.5TB) to balance out over the disks. I now mount ceph via fuse on my virtual machines. Still figuring out how to automount on boot as there's a bug in my installed version.

I've had some help in understanding how to set this up. I did some initial testing using manual deployment, ceph-deploy, and then proxmox; scrapping my progress each time till I learned how each worked.

I had some trouble using rbd images for my end use. During testing I created a 1TB image, mounted it in opemMediaVault, put a filesystem on it, and shared that to my network. I then ran into the issue or resizing. Expanding the image is easy, expanding the filesystem while it was mounted was not easy. I wanted something I could add more disk or another server to and have more space instantly. I wanted to get rid of doing data migrations to larger disk pools.

u/kearneykd · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Gutted I missed out. As the WD 20 TB My Book Duo for £333.99 is out of my budget, is the Seagate 8 TB Expansion (STGY8000400) for £109.99 a good value consolation prize?

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EDIT: Removed unintentional Amazon affiliate links.

u/etcet · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Check out the different drive sizes on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008JJLW4M/?tag=pcpapi-20
You'll see the 1, 2, and 3 say "NASware" on them and the 4GB says "NASware 2.0". They're all clearly marked as Red's so it looks like that alone is a good indicator of whether a drive is a Red or a Network.

u/MattHashTwo · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

We don't get the easy stores in the UK from what I can see.

WD WDBWLG0080HBK-EESN 8TB Elements Desktop USB 3.0 Hard Drive for Plug-and-Play Storage – Black

https://www.smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FNK6QMT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_03Y5Bb7MQR2NS

These aren't terribly priced but you're essentially swapping a $ for a £. Also if you take the plunge there's some digging to do around those but I'd expect it'd be a white. (Can probably find a better price, that was just me earlier depressing myself...) haha

u/War_Dave · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I ended up going to a nas a few years ago myself after I ran out of room my my main machine for drives, I went with http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Server-Chassis-Rackmount-Metal/dp/B0091IZ1ZG/ref=cm_wl_huc_item this case and unraid from https://lime-technology.com

But I love it I have a i5-4440 CPU in it. It also has the ability to run apps on top of the nas os, I use it to run sickrage, mineos, plexmedia server,a teamspeak 3 server, and pi hole for dns add blocking. Also even with all that running this is my usage for it http://i.imgur.com/5oOZFmD.png

So far I have 7 drives for a total of 11TB of data with the ability to add in 5 more drives.

u/meemo4556 · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

Upgrade that ram, ryzen LOVES high speed. Get something like 2x8gb 3200: https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC Only $20 more

For the case I would use this: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-R4000/dp/B0091IZ1ZG and take off the rackmount ears.

u/u-r-a-pedantic-pos · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

This is a significant jump in price, and perhaps overkill, but the Deep Silence 6 case will fit 13x3.5" + 4x5.25". With slight mods it could fit another 4x3.5" drive cage.

With a sas card (or 3) this would provide lots of storage while not being a rack server.

Just a thought.

u/occamsrazorben · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Is that this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FNK6QMT/ref=twister_B00IA189MW?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Are the UK ones any different do you know? Easy to chuck? Any 3.3v power connection issues or encryption issues? Thanks

u/lordderplythethird · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

Not at all a problem! I use the Norco 4224 currently, and I love it. Previously I used the RSV-L4500 and I honestly hated that case (it's absolute hell to add a new drive to it). I just use my old motherboard and i7 4770K I retired from my gaming rig in my server, with a handful of SAS cards plugged into the HDD backplane for connectivity to them, and it works like a perfect angel. When I finally fill up all 24 bays, I'll probably buy a second one, or at least another 4U 24 hotswap bay case, and use some cards like the one I linked earlier. That way I'll only have one server that just happens to have 48 hotswap bays over two 4U cases, if that makes sense.

u/BLKMGK · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Norco 24, been using mine for YEARS without issue. Hot swap backplane, accepts an ATX PSU, decent cooling, trays are easy to use, can replace the fan wall for less noise too.

https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916

u/lawpetex · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

SSD: I used both 500GB and 1TB doing lots of hoarding and file transfer and found that 500GB to be the sweet spot. Unless you do gaming VMs and stuff, the main purpose of the cache drive would be to assist saturating a gigabit connection (unraids array is SLOW), so going above 125MB/s has no point at all. Can probably go for a cheap 2.5' tbh. Or shift the money towards higher capacity 2.5' like those 2TB micron




Case: if it sits in the basement why would u need an expensive eye candy. Might be better off with that those cheaper rosewill 4U chassis

u/Horner14 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Amazon have some WD 8TB Elements for £139
Link

u/ShaRose · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

If you want to do a lot of that kind of thing, and you don't mind spending more (Especially if you have a 2.5 inch drive laying around!) you should consider getting an IODD 2531.

It has a physical switch and menu to mount and unmount ISOs and VHDs, and they show up as actual devices to boot from. I've got mine set up with an old 128GB ssd that I wasn't really using, and I've got all the ISOs I might use with a 60GB VHD windows install with a bunch of repair tools and such on it, as well as a 10GB linux install with the same. Mount VHD, reboot, select to boot from that VHD, and it boots like a regular hard drive. It's only SATA 2 internally, so it doesn't hurt all that bad to stick in an old laptop drive either, but it's still waaay faster than any USB stick you are going to get, even most of the 'ssd with USB bridge' ones you can buy assuming you stick in a cheap-as-possible SSD.

If not for the windows installer having a specific check for installing to a drive connected over USB, you can literally mount a blank VHD and iso, then install windows to the VHD. Linux doesn't care either way, so you can happily do that.

u/thatblondebird · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

yes -- the dock http://www.amazon.com/DOCK-ToughArmor-MB994SK-1B-6Gbps-Mobile/dp/B00PBOOLFK (supports up to 15mm drives), and the drives http://amzn.com/B00ZTRXFBA (12.2mm)
Plus you end up with free SATA-USB3 cables afterwards :P

u/7blink · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

I use the router to block outside connections to the NAS to keep it more secure.

At 56TB (from your badge), it should be cheaper to build your own NAS especially if you need it on 24/7. WD MyClouds are cheap, but they will power down after some time and they aren't the fastest drives in the world.

As an example, here is a case https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Server-Chassis-Rackmount-Metal/dp/B0091IZ1ZG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1473199853&sr=8-3&keywords=server+case
that is only $110 and can hold 15 drives.

And then a motherboard like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-P9d-c-4l-Server-Motherboard-Intel-C224-Chipset-Socket-H3-Lga-1150-Atx/331913735405

for $230, brings the costs up to about $350

u/benuntu · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

EDIT: I just noticed your requirement for Seagate Ironwolf drives. Not sure how you're going to pull that off when the cost of your drives is nearly equal to your entire budget. Are you dead set on those drives?

Check out a used Supermicro 4U as a starting point. If you're looking primarily at storage, I'd add 32GB of RAM to the base build and stick with the dual 6-core Xeons. Figure $700 shipped for the server, then you'll need drives.

That case will give you 24 bays which is plenty if you choose 10TB drives. 10x10TB will give you 100TB of raw storage and in raidz2, 67TB of usable space. Or 9 with a hot spare will be 60TB. Right now you can get a 10TB WD external and shuck it for $160+tax, so about $172 each = $1,720. That's a total of $2,420, which leaves some room for either a couple more drives or some other hardware.

If you want to go even cheaper, you could build up a whitebox starting with a Rosewill 4U case with 15 internal bays. Here's a breakdown:

u/mrbeck1 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

I bought this a while back and am satisfied.


Rosewill 4U Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case Support with 15 Bays & 7 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4500) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091IZ1ZG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_EmMSDbS53K8AP

u/WhitestWizard · 5 pointsr/DataHoarder

Just bought one of these off Amazon in the UK for the equizilent of $160 and thought I was getting a good deal.

Checked the US amazon and see I got robbed, there is a sale on and they are 109 US

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQH86A/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504380613&sr=8-3&keywords=wd+4tb

u/Phurky · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

WD 10TB Elements 220eu 213 from amazon.de
Just bought this 3 days ago also for 220., all of them came with EMAZ Drives. Need the enclosures for my other drives which are naked right now >.>

otherwise i would just have bought the WD MyBook's for 20 less.
WD MyBook 10TB 200€ From Amazon.de was not so long ago for 175. which is the lowest GB/eur ever?

But Mybooks has hardwareencryption.. which makes it impossible to read it on desktop if you are swapping around without formatting the drive..

Edit:
Amazon.de has a nice offer..

Seagate external 8TB for 135€

WD Elements 8TB for 155

WD MyBook 8TB for 161

WD MyBook DUO 20TB for 463 (amazon.fr) Guranteerd REDS! no whities

u/dyslexic_jedi · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

This is the one I got. It's got hot swap drives up front with decent sized fans pulling air through the front with a filter on the cover. But I'm sure other have good suggestions too. I think I've got 9 drives in it at the moment.

Rosewill 4U Server Chassis / Server Case / Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_zfnLzb5T6KE30

u/ds37577 · 7 pointsr/DataHoarder

If you're willing to shuck, you can get 4TB seagate drives from their externals for a little over $100. They're just barracudas inside (15mm, make sure you have compatible bays), but they seem fine to me. I shucked a couple of them a couple months ago and they've been fine so far. Better than my 1TB red 2.5s in terms of speed.

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497015786&sr=8-2&keywords=seagate+4tb+external

u/willglynn · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

You didn't ask me, but you could get a Lenovo SA120, LSI 9200-8e, and the appropriate cable for under $300 – leaving some cash for Lenovo drive trays.

(Note also that none of these parts are necessarily ideal for you; for example, the MSA60 costs less and includes trays but has its own drawbacks. It's hard to say without knowing requirements.)

u/dmenezes · 0 pointsr/DataHoarder

/u/nomad_hoarder, what I would do is to lug around a set of light/compact external disks like the Seagate STDR4000100, format them as 4-disk raidz2 with ZFS, and store your data in them. For your 30TB, a total of 16 disks would be more than enough (with 2TB to spare), and I'd carry them separated in two 8-disk sets: as they are really compact and light, 8 of them suitably packed in bubble wrap would fit snuggly in the bottom of a backpack, and the rest could go on your luggage.

A single $10/mo business GSuite account (which currently allows for unlimited Google Drive capacity) would provide it all with a cloud backup.

u/TheFuzzball · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

If the drive is failed chuck it, it's not worth trying to recover a bad drive.

A 3TB Red costs about £100 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Desktop-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B008JJLW4M.

If the other drives are good you've lucked out massively, 4 used reds are worth at least twice what you paid for the whole thing.

Maybe put the failed drive in an enclosure and run SMART tests on it for a day, see what comes up.

Make sure to RAID5 that thing, you don't want to lose all your data and end up like the guy that sold it.

u/Natoll · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

This depends on the controller you are using. The backplane uses SAS 8087 connectors. If you are using a H700 your other end would SAS 8087. If it's a Perc 6/i it would be SAS 8484.

For perc 6/i, get something like this: Just make certain to take measurements that it will be long enough.
https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-Internal-mini-SAS-S510-18N/dp/B00193MCN0?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

H700 internal. Again take measurements:
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-Mini-SAS-Feet/dp/B011W2F626/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1464821930&sr=1-4&keywords=sas+8087

u/nameBrandon · 9 pointsr/DataHoarder

I was just in this position.. I've got an older i7 box with 24GB of ram, and had 8x3TB drives crammed into the tower forming a RAID-6 array that was ~97% full. I'm running openmediavault to manage the storage simply because I prefer Linux to something like FreeBSD. It also has a PLEX plugin as well, and I run PLEX on the storage box locally.

After a lot of research, I purchased the following.

LSI 9200-8e - SAS HBA - ~$40

Lenovo ThinkSever SA120 DAS - ~$200

12 drive caddies / trays for the DAS (optional, but suggested) - check eBay, ~$100 total. You can use the caddies that come with the SA120 but need to dremel them and drill screw holes.

I moved all of my drives to the DAS (Except OS drive) leaving 4 more bays for expansion. I added 2 more 3TB drives and grew the array (actually still waiting on that to finish...).

So for ~$350 I moved to a much more flexible setup (you can actually daisy chain the DAS's, so you can buy another one for 12 more bays when you're ready) and extended the life of the setup by quite a bit.

u/LeKKeR80 · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

My most recent DAS build:

Add in a 9201-16e for a DAS. Here's a simple DAS build i recently completed for a total of 12x3.5 HDD slots and 4x2.5 SSD slots:

mATX case [InWin Mana 137]

3x5.25 to 5X3.5 HDD adapter [or this one]

PCIe HDD adapter

power supply

fans

fan controller

• cables [SAS, SAS to SATA forward breakout, SATA power, etc.]

• Optional - PCIe adapter for easier cable connect/disconnects

• Optional - SAS expander

u/EchoGecko795 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

CD/DVD-R media.

-There are also USB HDD/SSD cases that can make the media look/act like a Optical drive, making it read only as well. It can also load multiple OS

https://www.amazon.com/Iodd-Iodd2531-Black-Virtual-Enclosures/dp/B00TDJ4BJU

u/secils · 6 pointsr/DataHoarder

A QNAP nas like this one http://www.amazon.com/QNAP-TS-431-Personal-Mobile-Support/dp/B00O4DKAVS/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1458501449&sr=8-9&keywords=Qnap should be good, and it has just enough bays to accommodate your 4 3.5" drives, but if I were you I'd buy 4 WD Red 3TB drives http://www.amazon.com/Red-3TB-Hard-Disk-Drive/dp/B008JJLW4M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458501721&sr=8-1&keywords=WD+red+3tb (3TB due to it being the lowest cost per GB) for a total cost of $700 for a reliable QNAP nas that can run plex filled with high quality drives. This also means that you can reduce power usage since the Mac mini is no longer needed 24/7. As long as you use a pc or raspberry pi, transcoding should rarely be needed, but the QNAP can handle a bit if it needs to. *EDIT /u/gnartung owns one of these and says that the QNAP CPU can't reliably be trusted, so take that into consideration.

u/xD3CrypTionz · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

I'd consider looking into the Rosewill RSV-4412 4U rack mount server chassis. Has ample space for a motherboard and has 12 drive bays :)

u/unfadingpyro · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I don't think any such thing exists for multi sata to usb. Atleast not to my knowledge. Another solution would be to use an Internal SAS to External SAS card (Like this) and then use an LSI 9200-8e card in IT mode on your main computer. That would present each hard drive to the computer as an individual hard drive like you were connecting them over USB.

With each port on the Internal to External SAS card you can connect 4 Sata drives.

u/zackiv31 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Thanks, although I was referring to the card that he's pairing this with. Most likely in this sub the IBM ServeRaid m1015

u/mattheww · 5 pointsr/DataHoarder

Since you're already using DrivePool: You can swap drive letters to mount points super easily, even if a drive is already in a pool.

  • Go to Windows disk management, right-click volume, "change drive letters and paths"

  • Select "add", "mount in the following empty NTFS folder". Make a folder somewhere, like C:\Drives\HD - Some Name.

  • Wait ~15 seconds, the DrivePool UI will update to change to the mount point automatically.

  • Remove the drive letter from the list of drives/paths in disk management. Voila!

    If you want to just add a shitload of drive bays to your existing computer, without going the NAS/server route, get a DAS.

  • Thinkserver SA120 is 12 bays for ~$240. Sometimes cheaper on eBay, but can buy Amazon-fulfilled too: https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-70F10000UX-THINKSERVER-ATTACHED-HOT-SWAP/dp/B00LSQOY6G/

  • You'll need an HBA card (host bus adapter) with an external connector. eBay a LSI SAS9200-8e for ~$60-75.

  • At this point, you just need drive caddies, which kind of suck at $5-10/ea from overseas eBay sellers.

  • There are other DAS options out there, sometimes with slower connection speeds, more bays, etc. If you go the SA120 route make sure you look up the software to slow the fan speeds from their default "you're in a hot data center" mode.
u/Droid126 · 9 pointsr/DataHoarder

I use these spliters for more SATA power connectors and These hotswap cages for housing the drives. They are often on sale at newegg for $40-60, this card Flashed to IT mode will add another 8 sata connections via two sas connectors(sff-8087) via a breakout cable

Currently I am running 8x3tb drives in my pc with a gtx 970 and my 550watt PSU handles it just fine.

u/moses2357 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Quick search says yes and there's a green inside. WDBBGB0040HBK apparently has a blue inside.

u/SushiOne1 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Cool, this might work. Can I run the card with this?

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Edit: I do not plan to have a motherboard in the case. Besides what I stated above, how would I power the card? Generally, I see that these cards have SAS outputs. How would connect this to my main PC. Would I need a SAS input on main PC or would I get a SAS to USB cable?

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Edit2: I think I misunderstood how the card is being used. The 9201-8e card would go into my main PC and it will simply connect to hard drives using SATA to SAS cables. Or I can use something like this to terminate the cable at eh PCI slot.

u/bobj33 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

You can turn internal SAS SFF-8087 ports into external SAS SFF-8088 ports using a bracket like this and some 87 to 87 cables.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PRXOQFA

u/h0m3us3r · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

I would guess, something like this

u/upcboy · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

I guess other than it being smaller there is no advantage to it over something like this. Silverstone Tek Premium

u/AlarmedTechnician · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

There's not really 6gbps or 3gbps cables, SAS cables are SAS cables.

Sideband signal is for connections to backplanes.

Yes, the direction, forward or reverse, breakout does matter, don't buy anything that doesn't specify.

Here's a good one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018YHS8BS

u/skubiszm · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

> The motherboard in my supermicro has a SAS2 controller onboard so I just have that 1 red sata-to-8087 miniSAS reverse breakout that connects the motherboard to the case and all 24 bays work.

I had no idea you could do that. So you just need this cable and you can connect all 24-drives? How does this work with the motherboard? Do you need something special controller built in?

u/Oseri7 · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

I've had a version of the second one (actually this one) for over two years and performed flawlessly. Not always connected, I plug it once a week to backup photos and documents.

u/flinx0 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

I have a ds380 I am currently buying parts to build my nas in here is a link for amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00IAELTAI?pc_redir=1397498794&robot_redir=1

Edit it has 8 3.5 hotswap and 4 2.5 drives

u/Hrast · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Amazon (US) has them listed for $150.

u/theDrell · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I use one of these.
Rosewill Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, 4U Metal Rack Mount Server Chassis with 12 Hot Swap Bays https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-56xybS1CBC1S

Turn it on it's side and took the handles off makes it a tower. It is freaking huge though, but those are hotswap bays which makes changing out bad drives super easy. Did I mention I own the drive of death, Seagate 3TB? Well actually after this last failure I'm only down to 1 left.

u/cmaxwe · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Take a look at this...
 

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Server-Chassis-Rackmount-Metal/dp/B0091IZ1ZG?ie=UTF8&keywords=15-bay%20Chassis&qid=1465421231&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
 

Could put your i7 920 equipment in that along with a few used raid pcie cards and you should be well on your way.
 

I went with BTRFS instead of ZFS because I wanted the flexibility to add drives to my raid as my data grew but I get that not everyone cares about that.

u/64Fedoras · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

What I use is a Rosewill RSV-L4412, it has 12 hot swap bays and is rack mountable if you want to replace your current case. Just a suggestion.

u/ServalSpots · 8 pointsr/DataHoarder

Seagate Backup Plus 4TB USB 3.0 is the one I am looking at if I switch to 2.5" drives. They are $110 to $120 on amazon or newegg or similarly priced a number of other places.

Model numbers are STDR4000100 (black), STDR4000901 (blue), STDR4000902 (red), and STDR4000900 (silver), but the internals are the same.


Article on shucking them

u/chaosratt · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

M1015 apparently was what I was thinking of:
https://www.amazon.com/IBM-Serveraid-M1015-Controller-46M0831/dp/B0034DMSO6

You can (almost always) find them cheaper on ebay.

Here's the guide I used to flash mine:
https://www.servethehome.com/ibm-serveraid-m1015-part-4/

u/kastang · 3 pointsr/DataHoarder

This isnt the most accurate resource, but according to CamelCamelCamel (Amazon price monitoring), most drives seem to go down almost steady overtime: WD RED 3TB, Seagate 4TB

u/StrategyPattern · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Do you think this would work? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091IZ1ZG

If so, how big of a power supply do you think I'd need?

u/MrRatt · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Right now it's running Gentoo. Though if I had to rebuild it, I'd probably put it on FreeNAS instead.

I don't have a picture of it, but it's in a Norco 4224.

u/Jerky_san · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DSFDSUS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 <- I use this. Currently has 20 3.5" drives and 2 2.5" drives. I can hold even more but my GPU is in the way.

u/butmahm · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

I was/am looking into Lenovo SA120s and LSI SAS9200-8E for my expansion. My only concern with the SE3016 is the backplane & max drive capacity.

u/spoiled11 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

How about this Lenovo SA120 ?

You will need hdd caddies or hack the spacers

u/blahblah984 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

Just picked up two of these guys, upgrading my parity drives of 3TB to these in unRAID.

I have the Rosewill 4U 12 Hotswap bay case and these drives worked without any modification. The case uses molex connectors to the HDD bays.

u/BlanchDolor · 4 pointsr/DataHoarder

Since you specified vertical I'm assuming you've already seen and dismissed Rosewill's offerings?

u/Revelation78 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

For the price of that device I would go the xpenology route:

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-L4412/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=12+bay+chassis&qid=1571771184&sr=8-1

Put the guts of an old gaming computer, if you have one, inside and call it a day. For instance I put an older Intel 2700k/32Gb of ram inside; threw in a LSI 9208-16i and used an SAS to SATA breakout cable. I also had an old GTX 980Ti laying around that I flashed to remove the stream limit for transcoding.

The Asustor will be underpowered for Plex, especially if you start transcoding on it or running numerous streams.

u/Reset_Assured · 0 pointsr/DataHoarder

I think that answers my question. I'll just get another Siverstone DS380 case and a bracket

u/Ayit_Sevi · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Something like this would probably work. Alternatively, you could get this which has room for 4 more drives so you would be able to connect all your drives to the card instead of using the built in sata ports. Either way if you do get one of these host-bus adapter cards, you will need a breakout cable. I bought the second card and two cables and I have my drives running through the card. It should be plug and play, and your system should recognize them with no problem.

u/rongway83 · 5 pointsr/DataHoarder

It has a sas connection, so you use a breakout cable, 1 port becomes 4 sata connections.


https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-SFF-8087-Breakout/dp/B018YHS8BS?th=1

u/spoonifier · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Doesn't look like the mypassport is on sale, but the WD Elements 8TB is on sale for £115, don't think it is portable though.

Edit: oh the 5TB is on sale for 89.99

u/spud444 · 2 pointsr/DataHoarder

also 20TB for £399.99 (£20/TB)

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WD WDBFBE0200JBK-EESN My Book Duo Desktop RAID USB 3.1 External Hard Drive and Auto Backup Software - 20TB - Black

https://www.amazon.co.uk/WD-WDBFBE0200JBK-EESN-Desktop-External-Software/dp/B0752HSBP4

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u/ikarasu105 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

Your best bet is amazon.com Not .ca. Amazon.com... get it shipped 1 day shipping to a PO Box in blaine. Anything in Canada will be expensive. Some examples -

https://www.amazon.com/NORCO-Mount-Hot-Swappable-Server-RPC-4224/dp/B00BQY3916/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467534062&sr=8-1&keywords=24+bay Click on sellers... amaozn has it. Delivers by july 06...costs $100 for 1 day shipping (less, if you buy a year of prime)

To $3-6000 ones.. All deliverable by july 06, if that works.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=24+bay

u/iamtelephone · 5 pointsr/DataHoarder

Cheaper than buying the HDD alone.

  • 4TB Seagate Backup Plus Portable 2.5" = $109.99
  • 4TB Seagate 2.5" = $179.50

    (ST4000LM024 is the newer drive that's found in the Backup Plus Portable).
u/flux103 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

That would be the most efficient and economical, and done properly with this CableDeconn Dual Mini SAS SFF-8088 To SAS36P SFF-8087 Adapter In PCI bracket https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PRXOQFA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_BqNwzbV4SGD8K I personally would just run it in a empty pcie bracket though to keep component count down to decrease failure rate.

u/timethrow95 · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

This is from CamelCamelCamel;

Amazon Price History

Type Price When

Current £124.99 Nov 16, 2018

Highest *£195.59 Nov 15, 2018

Lowest *£124.99 Nov 16, 2018

Average +£165.97-

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https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/WD-WDBWLG0080HBK-EESN-Elements-Desktop-Storage/product/B07FNK6QMT?context=search

u/babecafe · 1 pointr/DataHoarder

It would be better, if your PSU has the pins, not to daisy-chain the entire string, to avoid having too large a voltage drop on the 12V supply during initial spin up. Peak current for 8 drives reaches about 200W, or about 16A @ 12V. See for example, these power graphs for the 12V supply for 15 drives: https://www.45drives.com/wiki/index.php?title=Start_up_Power_Draw

Now the spin-up time is relatively short, but if that power were used continuously, the wires should be about 14AWG. See for example, https://www.stayonline.com/product-resources/reference-circuit-ampacity.asp

The voltage drop over 3ft of 14AWG wire at 16A is about 1/4 V. See for example, https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=8.286&voltage=12&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=3&distanceunit=feet&amperes=16&x=91&y=15

...and if, reasoning that the spin-up time is too short to burn out the power supply wires, you push the wire gauge down to 18AWG, the voltage drop rises to about 0.6V, which is 5% down from nominal.

https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=20.95&voltage=12&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=3&distanceunit=feet&amperes=16&x=88&y=23

...if you used this 22AWG wire: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/19804/wir-91/22AWG_Corsair_Style_5-Conductor_Flat_Ribbon_Cable_Wire_22AWG_Black.html?tl=g51c327s2090

...you'd get a whopping 1.5V voltage drop:

https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=52.96&voltage=12&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=3&distanceunit=feet&amperes=16&x=43&y=21

Now, to be 100%, I don't know at what threshold your disk drive WILL fail to spin up, or at what point your wire WILL heat up too much, but it seems that if you don't pay attention, you COULD push this design into failure.

Personally, I've successfully built systems with 15 drives (NOT staggered spin up) using a single PSU cable that had 3 SATA power connectors and 3 5-1 SATA power expanders built by modifying these 4-1 SATA power cables: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENKYJB4 -- all for this 15-drive server case: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091IZ1ZG -- and these systems have worked over several years.