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Ah yeah, you’re in a tough part of the melee journey. Serious enough to be invested in results, not good enough to get a ton of positive feedback. Good enough to identify weaknesses, but you don’t quite yet have a framework to solve these problems. Good enough to have others put expectations on you / talk about your play style but not quite good enough to refute haters or have your point of view heard. You’ve been playing long enough that you can see how far you’ve come but you also start to realize just how far you really are from the top.

It’s easy to get discouraged from here, especially with what seems like a decently large skillgap between you and the next guy up and what seems to be a fairly toxic community wherever you are. At your skill level it seems like you can grind out tech skill and still see a million errors in your play. You can improve a bunch and not really see progress in how far you place in bracket. Even if you do really want to put in the effort to improve it doesn’t seem clear where exactly you should focus these efforts.

My advice is to start to really appreciate the journey every step of the way. Yes, this is a tough part of it, but learning to overcome this spot you’re at both skill wise and what you have to admit has become a bit of a mental barrier will provide tremendous benefit to you. Learn to focus your effort to be more productive, to see benefit in your training in ways other than counting how many times you SD in a match. Hard work pays off. Not always in the most obvious ways, but trust me when I say that if it feels like you aren’t benefiting from practice you need to either re-evaluate how you practice or re-evaluate how you measure progress. Enjoy the process of practice, finding things to work on, improving those things and repeating the process. Enjoy the journey of self improvement that this provides you.

I can tell you that you have nothing to worry about in terms of “learning the game backwards,” I’ve personally always been a proponent of focusing on tech skill first before neutral game but at the end of the day there is no roadmap to getting good and there is no easy way to reach the next step. The only universal truth is that you get out of it what you put into it.

And don’t worry about people calling you lame. “Playstyle” is something people obsess a lot that isn’t a very useful thing to think about when gauging your improvement. When I was quite a bit worse than I am I was called campy, reliant on lasers, I used to be called the backwards facing Falco cause I “only use Bair / Utilt.” People like to assume that your playstyle in a certain way because that’s how you intend for it to be but in reality these are all just steps on your way to having a more robust style. There are a LOT of things to learn about this game and if you’re getting pretty good at a certain style that they like to call lame then feel free to take pride that you’ve got understanding in one part of the game but remain humble in that you know there are many other parts of the game to learn. Not because they’re “less lame” but because you need to expand your knowledge base to improve. Next time you get called lame just say "that's ok I'm just trying to get better." Honestly style is overrated at low levels cause realistically nothing is cool at low levels, just get good then you can shut em up later.

Lastly I can’t overstate how helpful these two books are relating to this type of stuff. If you’re dedicated to sticking to it and seeing how far you can go / what you can get out of melee then I highly suggest you read both of them!

Good luck dude.

Inner Game of Tennis by Timothy Gallwey

Online pdf:

http://www.tinapse.ro/home/coltul-indrumatorului-coach/resurse-materiale-instrumente/W.%20Timothy%20Gallwey%20-%20The%20Inner%20Game%20Of%20Tennis.pdf

Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Inner-Game-Tennis-Performance-ebook/dp/B003T0G9E4

Art of Learning by Joshua Waitzkin

Online pdf:

http://www.nordiccentre.org/downloads/The_art_of_learning_waitzkin__josh.pdf

Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Learning-Journey-Performance/dp/0743277465

I'm probably just echoing what everyone else said, but here we go.

Fox is technically the best character in the game, but I wouldn't recommend him for a beginner personally. The tier list assumes that all players play as perfectly as possible, and the things that make Fox good require you to press a lot of buttons very quickly at very specific timings, which is more difficult for newer players. To find out which character (I'd recommend just one to start) you want to main, I'd recommend watching some professionals play matches and see if any of them catch your eye. The easiest characters for beginners to pick up are probably Marth or Sheik, but the most important thing by FAR is to main the character YOU want to main. If you want to main Fox, do it! If you find that you really have your heart set on Kirby, don't let anyone stop you! Hell, I'm from Minnesota, and our 3rd ranked player is a Kirby main. You have to play with whoever YOU find the most fun to play with, otherwise practicing won't be fun, and you'll never get anywhere.

Oh, and get a gamecube controller. Get a gamecube controller. Get a gamecube controller. They're practically designed for Smash Bros, and they're the only controllers you'll be able to use in tournaments if you decide to go to any in the future. Don't get a cheap knock-off either, they're not nearly as good and they break easily. Get this one, or a different color of this one. It's by far the best for a beginner. If you happen to get really into Melee, you might want to get one of the older editions of the GC controllers, as they're considered to be slightly better, but they're way more expensive. If you're using Dolphin, you'll also need an adapter. It might be a little annoying to get set up, but Dolphin Emulator's site has troubleshooting for every possible issue.

Welcome to the community!

TL;DR Play whoever you want but I'd personally recommend not Fox for a beginner, Marth or Sheik would be "easiest". Get a real GC controller and an adapter to use on Dolphin.

if you want to play on your computer, I'll recommend the most recent dolphin netplay build, that and complete instructions can be found here.

Of course, you will need a ROM of melee which you should definitely obtain legally and not through a download of it somewhere on the internet.

You will need a controller. I recommend looking at your nearest thrift store, or joining the facebook group for your local melee scene and asking if anyone would be willing to sell one to you. Or you can buy a new smash 4 controller.. Also you'll need an adapter to play on your computer, the mayflash 4 port is the best and cheapest option, but if you already have a wii u with gamecube adapter you can make that work too. Either way follow this guide to set it up. (make sure it's on wii u mode if you end up with the mayflash adapter)

All this being said, this is not the best way to play melee. The best way will always be to play on a wii or gamecube with a CRT TV (long story short, they have way less lag than HD TVs). If you really end up getting into melee you'll end up going this route eventually anyways, so for that I'd recomend agin your local scene for a gamecube/wii and a copy of melee, though copys of melee can be a bit expensive. For a CRT, check craigslist in your area, or just like streetcorners, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding one. Worst case, your local thrift store will probably only overcharge you a little for a decent CRT.

If you don't want to deal with buying a copy of melee. Then you can mod your wii to play a rom of melee. I recommend the 20xx hack pack that is made for melee training. It has a bunch of stuff you can learn to use, but you can also just play regular games on it, so it's good for everything outside of serious tournament use. Here's the official step by step guide for getting 20xx onto your wii.

Outside of that I think your best option is to see if there's any smash fests or tournaments going on around you and just go, hang out with people and play as much as you can.

Also, just some friendly advice, as great of a resource this reddit, or smashboards, or people in general can be, not everything everyone says is accurate, so do your research.

Have fun, and welcome!

PS, no hate for CS:GO from me. Plus I don't think you'll find too much hate for it here in general since mango plays it.

EDIT: I forgt my biggest piece of advice for new players. Spacing is as important, if not more important than tech skill. Make sure you're movement has a purpose. Good luck Dude/Dudette

I know it's not what you meant, but this ps1/ps2 controller to gamecube adapter is very good and I would highly recommend it + a ps1/ps2 controller for playing on console if you're already used to ps3. Here is an in-depth review I did on it if you're at all interested.

 

It even has some advantages over using a gamecube controller imo, with dual Z buttons (R1 and L1 are both Z), face buttons that are much easier to slide across, circular stick gates being amazing for SDI, and amazing ease of use for "piano-style" playing being the main ones that I'd cite. It's also a lot cheaper to get a good ps1 or ps2 controller than it is to get a good gamecube controller in general.

 

EDIT: Looks like the price of the adapters went up on amazon. Here's an ebay one that looks good

Get a Wii, 8-32GB SD card (and a reader for your computer if necessary), and Homebrew it instead, download a good ISO of Melee (no URLs here ^^^PM ^^^^me ^^^^if ^^^^you ^^^^^need ^^^^^^one ) or download the 20XX hack pack, purchase a couple of gamecube controllers, and get crackin'.


CRTs can be found on Craigslist. If it's boxy and has a fat back with a glass front, it's most likely a CRT. Search terms (listed from most to least relevant):

• "CRT"
  
• "Tube TV"
  
• "old tv"
  
• "analog tv"
  
• "trinitron"
  
• "free tv"
  
• "curb alert (tv)"
  
  
  ASK THE SELLER IF IT HAS COMPOSITE (RCA) INPUTS!! If you can't find someone selling a good sized one in your area for a good price, contact your local school district and ask if they have any working CRTs they're about to dispose. I've been lucky enough to find a few working CRTs sitting on the curb locally, about to be thrown away. Price should range from around $0 - $50, $50 being the absolute highest I'd pay (it better have the bonuses I listed or be a Sony PVM).
  
  A good CRT size to bring around is anywhere from 13"-21". Anything larger is too inconvenient to lug around to tournaments, and anything smaller is obviously hard for multiple people to see. Bonus points for:
  
  
• S-Video/Component input
  
• if it's branded as a Trinitron (generally considered to have higher visual quality compared to other CRTs, not guaranteed though)
  
• A/V out/passthrough
  
  CRT monitors (like old computer monitors) that accept VGA input are also possible and will garner you 480p progressive scan Melee, which is a significant step up from normal composite input. If you're willing to throw down a little extra money for a speaker and do some (optional) soldering work for high quality, lagless Melee, this may be the setup you want - see this thread by Kadano if you're interested. Note that this may make setting up at local tournaments slightly more hassle.
  
  You can buy a Wii, again, off of Craigslist, at your local pawn shop, or pay extra to get it from GameStop. I paid $45 for mine. I'm sure you can find one for less.
  
  SD(HC) cards are bought at your local electronics store for pretty cheap, somewhere in the $5-25 range. 4GB is enough to store Melee (around 1.4GB in size) and your required Homebrew files, but I recommend a larger SD card if you want more Gamecube or Wii games to fit on there, as opposed to using a flash drive or hard drive + USB Loader. SD cards load games a little faster and don't require weird formatting. Make sure it comes complete - that means a power brick, A/V cords, sensor bar, and Wiimote. If a deal looks too good to be true, that probably means it's the wrong type of Wii and doesn't have GameCube controller ports.
  
  You can order smash-branded GameCube controllers from Nintendo, Amazon, Best Buy, GameStop, or any other major online retailer for around $30.
  
  Sometimes you get a bad egg of a smash-branded controller and they have stiff triggers, or you don't like having to break in a new stick. That's fine, you can search for OG Nintendo GameCube controllers on Craigslist or at local thrift shops. You can take a chance on eBay or Amazon, but I'd recommend testing them out in person before purchasing - used condition is certainly a caveat emptor sort of deal. If you like the stick + buttons but hate the triggers, get some triwing screwdrivers, unscrew the new controller, and slap some broken in OG GameCube triggers in. Triwings are a very good tool to own to maintain controllers in general, so you can take them apart and clean/troubleshoot them.
  
  
  Why am I recommending against a GameCube and telling you to set up Homebrew?
  
  

1. Versatility. Sometimes Melee isn't the only GameCube game you want to play! Sometimes people ask for Project M! Sometimes finding and paying for now-rare, non-scratched disks is a pain in the ass! Homebrewing and loading ISOs via SD/USB ensures you have a bit-perfect copy of the game, ready to play.
   
2. Cost. Wii + SD Card is most likely cheaper than a GameCube + working copy of Melee and gets you that much more mileage.
   
   
   TL;DR: Buy a Wii and an SD Card, hack it, download Melee, scavenger hunt for CRTs and controllers, and you're golden.

Anyone got any interesting setups/tv's? Idk why i'm writing this but here are the things I bring to tourneys.


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My Tv Is by far the most eye catching thing. I bought 350 Fortune cookies and have been just taping them on there whenever I finish one. I am pretty much out of them so I have quite a bit all over the TV. The air fresheners were to bring some nice smells to any tournament I went to.


Standard Gamecube: 1.02 melee with newest 20xx TE and vanilla melee memory cards. This is the video cable IOnebring. It has s video + regular composite so I don't have to bring a powered splitter. Explaining more below.



Recording/Streaming setup: This consists of a Webcam which also records player/crowd audio (also a 16 ft extension). An Elgato with 16ft extension. Then I have 2 non-powered composite splitters. I plug in the composite video from the game cube directly into my TV and the S video into the elgato. The result isn't actually too bad (if someone knows how to deinterlace for better video hmu).

The last thing is My Controller: Someone on etsy painted it for me right before big house and so far it's a great purchase. It is of a Palestinian flag and has my tag on it. it doesn't feel any different from any other game cube controller which is great.

Edit: forgot about my headphone setup. I have sennheiser Momentums I bring with my headphone amp and plug that into the tv's audio with one of These. This has a pass through meaning other people can listen through the TV and I can adjust the volume with my amp. I also bring another headphone splitter so people can listen with their headphones.

Squid and Dr. PP both recommend the art of learning, and the inner game of tennis and they're both godlike so I'd take their advice. Flow is really good too.

Something cool you could do is get into chess. I only played chess seriously for a few months really, but I feel like it gave me another angle to think about tactics and strategy in. Chess is really fun and it'll give you that same competitive brain feeling melee does without killing your hands.

/r/chess has lots of guides about how to get into the game and stuff. There's lots of cool websites now like www.chesstempo.com where you can do tons of tactics training puzzles that are really fun and make the learning curve for beginners a lot less steep than it was back in the day when chess books were the only option(which are great, but it's really hard as an absolute beginner to sit down with a chess book and actually make it through it).

If you're already like 2100 fide rated or some shit then just ignore this lol.

This post belongs in the DDT.

Almost any Gamecube controller will do you fine. The older ones (platinum, indego, etc.) are renowned for being the "best" but at low to high level play it won't really matter. Newer ones will take a while to break in the sticks as they'll be a little stiffer and will have a lot more rebound, but practicing enough should iron out that pretty quick (moonwalks are recommended). The newer ones have different triggers though, and they tend to get stuck every now and then. If you're willing to, sanding down and lubing them a little will make them fantastic controllers for competitive play. This is the one I use and I hear many people say it's one of the best, it's a lot more expensive then the Smash edition ones but they come with a longer cord, I'd still probably recommend the Smash one's though.

For practical and tournament use, everyone plays on a 60hz CRT. I'm sure some CRT's can break that number, but there's no point playing on those since those aren't the standard and never will be. It's honestly best for the community to start to adopt to A gaming monitor -> Wii -> wii2hdmi adapter -> hdmi cable. That way we can move to monitors like every other competitive game, while incurring essentially no additional input lag(~2ms). Something like [this] (https://www.amazon.com/Sewell-HDMI-Converter-Latency-480p/dp/B0072JP56G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493707468&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+wii+hdmi) can be connected any modern monitor, and allow Melee to be played offline on a monitor even without Dolphin.

I can't vouch for the quality of that particular capture card, but I do know that the one many speedrunners currently recommend is the GV-USB2:

http://www.amazon.com/DATA-connection-video-capture-GV-USB2/dp/B00428BF1Y

Very easy to set up, and the recording quality is good.

Here is some S-Video footage I've captured from my own setup, resized to the correct aspect ratio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRJ3HTr7kM

Keep in mind the quality is likely slightly less than the originals, because I've had to re-encode once to gain the correct aspect ratio, and because youtube may implement additional compression.

I could upload a video that's only been encoded once(For resize purposes) from a lossless file, but only if there's interest. Quality would be slightly higher.

That sounds cool and all but I don't think you're really getting to bottom of what's happening when you say stuff like "on-the-fly adaptation can become one and whole as part of the subconscious flux." The act of adapting during a match, a verb, becomes part of what, now? A subconscious flux, what is that? "Flow" is a state of mind, we are trying to understand, describe, and be able to reproduce this "optimal experience."

Galeway and even Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi the guy that popularized the concept fell short, as Flow reads like a self-help book.

Anyway, cognizance is directly opposed to subconsciousness. They cannot "become one," since by definition subconsciousness is not being conscious or cognizant.

You are also not going to have "cognizance" at the speed of subconsciousness. Conscious thought takes time, and that slows you down. Speed of decision-making is directly tied to the consciousness of an action. Action is a part of a complete reaction, and quick, effortless reactions gives you that thrilling feeling.

On the one hand, you need reasoning, conscious thought, to solve complex problems, but on the other, you need reaction speed and fine motor control. But, you can't have both. So, the only way "self 1 and 2" working together makes sense is if you are constantly switching between them. Or, if you are riding back and forth along the sliding scale between thinking a lot and thinking next to nothing if that is the subconscious/conscious dichotomy's true nature.

This "self 1 and 2 switching" is different from both Galeway's "inner game" and Csikszentmihalyi's "flow" paradigms, as they focus on primarily on activities where you need to consciously adapt very little. Because in reality, that breaks flow. But in Melee and many other competitive games, conscious adaptation is necessary. If you're in the zone and you're fucking LOSING, do you really want to stay in that mind state? No. You want to identify the problem, solve it, and get back in the zone as quickly as possible.

If you want a spiritual-sciencey metaphor summary, you want to relieve the inertia that resists your atemporal transit. You want graceful hardware and software interrupts. You want to be able to repeatedly jump in the lazy river, adapt to the current, and jump back out, walk to another point of the river, and jump back in without it, like, feeling weird, or something. I don't know.

Looking at buying a new controller, I don't think anywhere local would sell any controller so I'm looking at buying online. My dilemma is whether I want to buy a new white smash 4 or a used one from ebay 1 2

Have any of you had experience buying a used controller from ebay? Feels kinda sketch, don't want to end up with a controller with a wobbly stick or something, but as far as I can tell seems like they are fairly reliable. Used controllers have the bonus of colours I prefer, and are a fair bit cheaper. H

How nice are the new white controllers? Is there much difference between them and the original game cube controllers?

What route would you suggest I take?

On 20xx vs normal Melee: it doesn't matter. 20xx has L-cancel lights and random music if you're interested.

On stage zoom: there might be something out there but you'll get used to the camera pretty quickly, it's fairly good and intuitive

On Xbox controller: other people have you advice on how to set it up but if you're ever planning on going to an actual tournament you'll want a real GameCube controller. To pick one up for Dolphin you can get an adapter here:

https://www.amazon.com/Super-Smash-GameCube-Adapter-Wii-U/dp/B00L3LQ1FI

and a controller here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00O9GW8VK/ref=pd_aw_sim_63_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=518Z8rDdJEL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL100_SR100%2C100_&psc=1&refRID=RJYQ1G895VQENF05P5BE

If you have any interest in playing Smash Wii U these will work for that too. A guide on how to set it up for Dolphin is here: https://www.smashladder.com/guides/view/258h/controller-setup-guide

I've been working on tournament mentality for ~5 months now, and I just went 0-2 in pools. It takes lots of time, effort, failure, and then more effort.

It is an incredibly complicated topic, but there is an amazing book on it called "The Inner Game of Tennis" that can get you started. This isn't a referral link or anything, and lots of pros in various circles recommend it, so just buy it and thank me later. Seriously, it's like $4 used. I promise you won't regret it.

Actually it's 90€... I've never in my life bought a second hand controller that I liked for any console (and I've bought maybe 15 overall), and with the recent spike in prices I can't see good second hand controllers being super cheap either.

But if you're fine with that then good for you I guess.

The most common high quality capture card you can use would be the the Elgato Game Capture HD. You would want 2 component cables, at least 5 splitters, and a component connection to a Wii. There is free software called OBS that you can use to stream and record and there are a number of options if you are looking to just record (there is even software that Elgato offers) but most like to use VirtualDub. This of course can be very expensive. If you are looking for cheaper options there are cheaper capture cards available such as the Dazzle and the Diamond. Both work fine but you won't achieve as crisp as a picture. These are the cards that I have had experience with but I have also heard good things from the Avermedia.

I'd just get him a Smash 4 GC controller. Some prefer the older ones, but they are incredibly expensive to buy new, and there's really nothing wrong with the Smash 4 ones. Pretty much everyone who's buying a new controller these days will buy one of these, since they're the best bang for your buck and they work just fine.

Trying to practice tech skill with lag sucks - although you probably won't realize the extent of it until you start practicing on a normal setup. I don't know how much lag your system is going to have, but just from my own experience of starting on an HDTV, practicing on a normal crt setup is soooooo much better

Edit: I also agree with everyone else that it's worth it to get a new controller. These are pretty nice: http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Super-Smash-Classic-Gamecube-Controller/dp/B00O9GW8TC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1427737944&sr=8-1&keywords=white+gamecube+controller+smash

Dolphin is free. Go to smashladder.com and follow their guide for downloading Faster Melee's most recent version. Faster Melee is a version of Dolphin that runs smoother for online play, and is pretty much required for playing people online using smashladder.

You're gonna need to download an ISO file of melee, which is basically the game ripped from the disc. You can try googling it and it shouldnt be too hard. Careful of sketch websites.

If you've been watching for a while you might know the basic terminology already but the SSBMTutorials youtube channel has a lot of good info about the tech. Basic things like L cancelling and Wavedashing can be a little awkward to understand without being shown.

https://youtube.com/channel/UC46ZTid4t2ctB6osM0WTiJA

It's a little tough to get rolling if you don't have a friend to play with all the time that's at your level, but the "Friendlies" tab in smashladder should work ok.

You're gonna need a gamecube adapter. You can buy the official nintendo one, or you can get the Mayflash 4 port. They're basically identical.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=asc_df_B00RSXRLUE/?linkCode=df0&hvadid=198123773248&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4592356619243608365&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032109&hvtargid=aud-801657747996:pla-385181353377&psc=1

Raphnet used to be the bees knees before the Wii U Adapter and Native Control support came out. All the ones saying that the Raphnet is better are probably just the older posts. The current best adapter is the Wii U Official USB Adapter. Inputs should be basically identical to console. You can try and get it from Gamestop. If not the mayflash one works fine you can get it from Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ Make sure you set it up using the guide that Smashladder provides, using Wii U mode.

What sort of information did you need? What you heard is correct. Using any digital TV will require signal conversion from the Gamecube's analog output to a digital input for the TV, which takes a non-trivial amount of time to process. When going from a CRT to a digital TV, there is a noticeable delay between when you press a button and when you can see the move on the screen. It is best to try and find a CRT to practice on. They can be easily found on Craigslist, and people in your region's Melee Facebook group will probably post about available CRTs frequently.

If you don't have a CRT to practice on, then it might be best to get Faster Melee (An optimization of the Dolphin emulator to better emulate Melee) and an adapter and practice on your computer. This should have less lag than plugging your console in to a digital TV.

Yeah they're made by nintendo and they're like the 2nd gen or something after the indigo controllers and made exactly the same, also it's the ones the majority of top players use iirc and they're known to be better than the smash 4 ones, still it's kind of a lottery and you could get one with shitty backdashes that never breaks in or something, you can never be 100% sure you'll get a perfect controller out of the box but the white japanese ones are your best bet.

Those are the ones: https://www.amazon.ca/Official-Nintendo-Classic-Gamecube-Controller/dp/B0017KIBAI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1481046275&sr=8-6&keywords=gamecube+controller
Only found the smash 4 ones on US amazon for some reason :/, Dunno if you can still order those through canada

one of these or maybe these. I havent heard of anyone using the second one but it should work and its a fair bit cheaper. You would still have to plug stuff into random setups though but honestly who cares, people already do that when they want game audio through their headphones.

also you're right, 20xx TE wont work with the nebs 20xx build.

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Powerline-Adapter-Starter-TL-PA2010KIT/dp/B00AWRUIY4

I use this one and it’s pretty good. I only get 20 mbps up/down with it when I usually get 100 mbps up/down wired directly to my router but ping is pretty consistently good

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=mayflash+gamecube+adapter&qid=1573615831&sprefix=mayflash&sr=8-2


This is the USB adapter most people recommend. Also if you want to share an eBay listing for a controller here I'd be happy to check it out and let you know if it's a good deal or not!

Yeah sure man, either get the Mayflash adapter (which I'd recommend because it has "native" mode, and PC mode, so you can freely use it with other games besides dolphin):

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/

Or you can get the official Nintendo adapter, which looks better and also works (and you've got the official Nintendo quality):

https://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-Controller-Connection-Wii-U-Nintendo/dp/B00O9GPB00/

This monitor would be fine lag-wise but BenQ's do not tend to have the best visuals.

I found this at a very similar price and would recommend it instead: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-R240HY-bidx-23-8-Inch-Widescreen/dp/B0148NNKTC/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=R240HY&qid=1562362081&s=gateway&sr=8-1

It's 75HZ, IPS (Better colours but historically not been good for gaming), low input lag (9.6ms), great price.

I looked at 120/144HZ monitors but you'd be pushing a $200+ budget at that point. You might be able to find the Dell SE2417HG cheaper.

Okay you basically have two good options on that budget. You can get a GV-USB2 for about $30 and have a really easy setup with your wii (plug the S video in to the capture card and the yellow cable in to the TV, split the audio, and you're done), or you can get a black magic intensity shuttle which allows you to capture 480p video and will get you way better capture quality and is a little more complicated to set up.

Composite capture card example

BMI Shuttle example

This stuff is complicated so feel free to ask me more questions.

If I were you I would go for one these, used isn't bad, you might get a great controller for $25

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0002Y5180/ref=sr_1_14_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1496630403&sr=8-14&keywords=gamecube+controllers

also I've had good luck posting in local facebook for sale groups asking if anyone has a gamecube controller. many people have old ones laying around that didn't get much use. plus you can feel it before you buy it

Anybody have any tips on how to get better quality melee recordings? I have this (https://www.amazon.com/Pinnacle-Video-Transfer-Less-Device/dp/B0015E2PQM) capture card and I was wondering what I could do to make the video quality better. Thanks in advance for any help!

Pick up one of the Mayflash adaptors. They work natively with Switches and are extremely easy to set up with Dolphin. I would also recommend an official gamecube controller instead of a 3rd party. They will generally be much higher quality and you should be able to pick one up at a decent price at a retro game store. It will save you a lot of future headaches I swear.

According to Typo aka the controller god, get the japanese white controllers. If you're buying it used, make sure to order it from japan because it is almost brand new. I got it and im pretty happy

Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0017KIBAI/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

Yeah, the 4 port - http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_2/184-9153600-9354402?ie=UTF8&qid=1453217096&sr=8-2&keywords=nintendo+gamecube+adapter

I've seen that other people play on OSX so it def should be fine. A few months ago as a test I got dolphin and melee ran fine on it, so I know the program itself is fine, just need to know about the controller. Thanks!

Get the GV-USB2. Its the go-to for speedrunners and I've heard great things. Probably the best bang for your buck.

I bought 3 of these platinum ones in 2014 and they're all still super crisp I've actually had people buy two of them off me because of how good they are.

Link: Amazon

Edit: It appears the seller I bought it from doesn't carry GC controllers anymore but if you're careful about the seller you should be good.

I'm pretty sure you got a 3rd party controller. The official Nintendo controllers have "Nintendo Gamecube" written above the pause button, shown on the Amazon page. The controller you bought does not have that (unless the picture is different than the controller you got). In my experience these controllers are way worse than any Nintendo controllers, original or Smash 4. For your next controller, I recommend you get one of those kind. The Smash 4 ones are a lot cheaper (~$50-60 difference) if that is a major factor.

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https://www.amazon.ca/Official-Nintendo-Classic-Gamecube-Controller/dp/B0017KIBAI

Yes its expensive, but trust me if your trying to play melee seriously this is the way to go.

Go onto smash ladder and play some friendlies! A lot of people there are nice (but don't be surprised if you encounter some salty people).


Next step is to get this and a GC controller (either from eBay or GameStop, just not 3rd party always official)

You can connect a Wii to a CRt monitor and it looks great, via this cable . And its the perfect netplay monitor as It has virtually no lag. Definitely go for it.

Hey DDT, I was thinking about getting a capture card for melee. I don't want to spend money on a laptop so I'm very interested in the AverMedia Live Gamer Portable.

So my question is, what else would I need to record on the pc free mode? Would this be safe to bring to tournaments?

This one is pretty much the best new controller you can get. The original gamecube controllers (ex.) are very hard to come by new, but if you know friends/family that has some gamecube controllers that aren't too beat up/work well, try to snag some up.

This seems like a tremendous investment to do something you can already do with a wii, a low latency monitor, and a good hdmi adapter.

I'm not against console modding at all (I do and enjoy it myself from time to time) but you can already build a setup like this with negligible lag without any heavy modifications to existing hardware.

What's the best adapter for playing Melee on the computer?

Is it this one: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00RSXRLUE/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1473743430&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=nintendo+wii+u+gamecube+adapter&dpPl=1&dpID=41pvJ9j5gAL&ref=plSrch

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Fantastic book about using previous learning and incorporating it into your new smash learning through cycling/funnelling information.

Grab an svideo cable for your wii as well. Makes a decent difference over composite. They make ones with composite + svideo outputs if your tv only supports composite. You also won't need a distribution amplifier with this setup.

Something like this is all you need https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Composite-Yellow-S-Video-Stereo/dp/B003L16ZBI

Please read the Inner game of Tennis. It will help you with everything you talk about struggling with. It's an amzing read that has been recommended by a ton of good smashers.

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You just need to carry the memory card with you.

If you're rollin in that dough then this is the best (maybe only?) option to record without a computer: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2IZ3B0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2SDHJYONXPZ92&coliid=IZ59O3DARLBP8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493995616&sr=8-1&keywords=mayflash

This is the best one to use for my PC right?

Okay man thanks a lot! one last question tho, what about this controller ? It's really expensive, I was wondering if the quality is different, or if the one you've linked me is durable in comparison to this one.

GV-USB2 is a really solid little device for how cheap it is. Just pair it with the Monoprice Wii S-Video Cable and you'll be good to go. You can plug the S-video end into the capture card and the composite video into the TV. solid capture setup for only ~$40

EDIT - you should also get some RCA piggy back cables so you can run the audio to both the capture card and the tv

http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE

I have this one and I love it. If it has any input lag, I haven't noticed. It is PC native so it's easy to get it going, and you can use it for Smash 4 if you play that game too.

You should get the mayflash one; it supports direct input and can be more easily used outside of dolphin.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_mjEWzbSC2P0AN

Is there someone here who records gamecube games using the Live Gamer Portable?

Of course using rca cables since gcn components cables are expensive. This is the perfect capture card for me as it has everything I need except for the fact that it can't record the gamecube. I know that you can use a wii w/ an hdmi adapter (which I have), however, I want to take it to tournaments to record my own games.

https://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-Controller-Platinum/dp/B0002Y5180/ref=sr_1_17?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1475191415&sr=1-17&keywords=gamecube+controller

These types can be really good. I got a spice orange one from amazon, and it was legit in near mint condition (had some MINOR dirt/scuff on it)

hmmm, you guys have the gamecapture hd60
instead of the gamecapture hd?

I believe you cant use the hd60 to record any component or composite games, only hdmi. What kind of computer are you using to record? The Blackmagic isn't that much harder on your computer than the elgato (if anything, its better haha), try check out this page to see what kind of physical specs your computer is going to need and if you are going to email/call them check out this page

Edit:I just realized that your s-video probably isn't an s-video. Try ask the owner of the elgato if they have a component adapter with them (should have came with the gamecapture HD). The adapter should plug into the 's-video' and you should be able to record in component or composite

For composite, put your yellow (video for composite) into the red (one of the videos for component), and the red/white audio cables into the red and white plugs that are connected by one cable.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=pd_bxgy_63_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=9H46WJ0WY8WXEPK6HG89&th=1

this isn't the official one but this works just as good.

I have a wii, would it be acceptable to go with something like this?

Bit expensive for a used controller, but it's fine if it's real.

Here are some new smash 4 controllers from Amazon which should be around the same price with shipping.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Smash-Bros-GameCube-Controller-x/dp/B00O9GW8VK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491772112&sr=8-3&keywords=gamecube+controller

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00O9GW8TC/ref=sr_1_6_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1491772112&sr=8-6&keywords=gamecube+controller

Also, check your local craigslist or what you have in the UK (Gumtree?)

You should buy either the 4 port mayflash or the official wii u gamecube to usb adapter. Both of these make dolphin feel just like the gamecube in terms of controller inputs.

4 port mayflash: https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487737578&sr=8-1&keywords=4+port+mayflash

Official Wii U: https://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-Controller-Connection-Tap-Wii-U/dp/B00O9GPB00/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1487737600&sr=8-5&keywords=wii+u+gamecube+adapter

I have the 4 port mayflash and it works flawlessly. A guide to setting them up in dolphin is found here: https://www.smashladder.com/guides/view/26oz/controller-guide-2-0

Since you seem to be informed, is there a certain kind you recommend? I tried this one since the speed it says it's good for is way more than my current network speed anyway but when I got it all set up I was getting 17 kbps

If he absolutely refuses to play on anything else, even if you'll provide a CRT, then I'd recommend getting something like the Sewell HDMI converter.

It won't make everything perfect but it should help with a fair amount of the lag. That said the TV probably still has display lag and will have to upscale the image, but it helps a lot with the lag from digital analogue conversion.

This is one of the two most recommended adapters, it has the dual function of allowing you to play other games with the GCC too.

Would using a wii to VGA cable like this be a better option (than wii to hdmi) for playing on a monitor as the signal doesnt have to be converted to digital?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wii-PS3-VGA-HDTV-Cable/dp/B0015MISAG

Which netplay adapter do you guys recommend?

http://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1451370655&sr=1-3&keywords=gamecube+adapter

http://www.amazon.com/GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Wii-ports/dp/B00YH2TGYS/ref=sr_1_6?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1451370655&sr=1-6&keywords=gamecube+adapter

Intel 530 HD will run melee at any resolution under 1080p. This one will probably work or this ebay filter. Any intel gen 6 laptop processor will work for the most part. You only need a graphics card that has a passmark score of about that can match or beat this if you want to run Project M a much more graphically intensive game on 2 monitors.

Suggestions:

• Buy a laptop that has 2 USB ports on the same side if you want to use rumble
  
• Buy a laptop that has a low lag display, (aka most gaming laptops)
  
• Buy a laptop that comes from a reasonably reputable source.
  
• Dedicated GPU's are nice but not required
  
• Use a Mayflash or Wii U adapter, most others will break very fast
  
  Other places to look:
  
  Newegg
  
  Amazon
  

This converter is effectively lagless and only costs $30. The only ones that are significantly expensive are the ones that let you stream.

If my internet is only 50 mb/s, is there any advantage going over that number? In other words, would there be a difference between this and this.

For sub-$50 I like the GV-USB2. However, you'll need to purchase three RCA female-to-2-male splitters if you want audio and video to go to both the capture card and the TV (they're cheap though), and your computer will need a CD drive to install the capture card's drivers (unless you find them online, which is also a possibility).

I play with headphones all the time!

Why buy the original controller with shipping for $39.98, when you can buy the white Japanese controller with shipping for $37.56! Btw, the white one's cable is 9.8ft long rather than 6.5ft.

Is any used GC controller with above 4 stars usually good? Im tired of my Smash4 controller not dash dancing no matter how hard I smash the damn stick.


Particularly im eyeing this controller an this one too


One more question. Does color effect anything? Why is it that pretty much everyone uses the white color?

OKay, does anyone know if there is a different Sewell HDMI to wii adapter than the one I bought. My monitor has 11ms response time, and all the Benq monitors have 10, yet I hear stories about how lagless a monitor and that setup is, yet I can barely play when comparing it to my CRT. It's not bad, but it's enough that I notice.

Make sure it's the mayflash 4 port adapter and not the 2 port one

Not sure what you mean by "high quality" but the new Sm4sh controllers will be fine for your level, since you indicated you are just starting. You can also go onto your local Craigslist under Video Gaming or go to your local thrift store. I just found a post today by mine for GC + controller for 35, each in a different color.

I think I know exactly what you're talking about, actually. It was probably one of these. You bring it with a splitter and splice it into the video feed, and plug a flash drive into the USB port on the box. Then you can use the record/stop controls on the box to record video files directly to your flash drive. It even works with iPods and hard drives if I recall correctly, though I wouldn't quote me on that. Video quality is pretty bad, but it gets the job done.

If it's this one it definitely works. I don't know about other models, but I think they all work.

Regarding 3, just use a Sewell adapter for Wii. It causes basically no lag and is much more affordable (the lag from a "lagless" LED monitor will have more impact than the adapter). Note that it'll still be slower than CRT, but if you have a good enough monitor it shouldn't make a big difference.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE?th=1

is this the one I want?

Stop buying garbage 3rd party controllers and get these: https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Super-Smash-Classic-Gamecube-Controller/dp/B00O9GW8VK/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1492396822&sr=1-2&keywords=gamecube+controller

CRT monitors are actually great for console use. If you have a Wii, get one of these bad boys to connect it to your console without any conversion/lag (assuming the CRT monitor has a VGA port). Nothing looks better than progressive scan Melee on a CRT monitor. It's buttery smooth.

Note: for audio you will need to plug those white/red coax cables into a portable speaker of some kind, since CRT monitors generally don't have speakers. For a 1/8" jack, you could use this.

You're convincing, haha. But when I went on Amazon for a controller, I found this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O9GW8VK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ITLgzbSDF2T06 and I don't exactly understand how it works. There are so many offers to sell the controller, but the one it automatically put me with is $50. Am I missing something?

I got my 60hz BenQ refurbished for $170. You can get them new for around $200.

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Gaming-Monitor-RL2455HM-24-Inch/dp/B007HSKSMI

Then if you want to use it for a Wii you have to get one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Sewell-Wii-HDMI-Converter-480p/dp/B0072JP56G/

> A big life philosophy of mine is rhat people are too accepting of being okay with saying incorrect things.

I responded to the statement "2 port is cheaper and has direct." When I search "mayflash 4/2 port wii u adapter", they are both listed at $15.99: 4 port, 2 port

Ususally when people say "2 port" without any further clarification, they are referring to this piece of garbage. If you find a listing for this, it probably would be cheaper, because it's obsolete. But it doesn't "have direct", because at the time there was no official Wii U adapter to copy.

These

[This is the one I got] (http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Composite-Yellow-S-Video-Stereo/dp/B003L16ZBI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1425314641&sr=8-2&keywords=wii+s-video+cable), but any similar cable should work the same. I don't split the audio, I set it to mono and send the left channel to the TV (which only has mono audio anyway) and the right channel to the capture card. I also use a stereo RCA male to female extension so that the computer doesn't need to be right next to the TV.

is this the one your talking about?, i wanna get one but dont wanna dish out 150$

https://www.amazon.com/Sewell-HDMI-Converter-Latency-480p/dp/B0072JP56G

i also just saw this http://www.amazon.com/Sewell-Wii-HDMI-Converter-480p/dp/B0072JP56G/

Controller

Adapter Don't use this as per u/Sentry4

http://smile.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1450568100&sr=8-1&keywords=mayflash+gamecube+adapter

You can just grab this, and then follow instructions on smashladder (first guide here)

Links:

https://www.amazon.com/Super-Smash-GameCube-Adapter-Wii-U/dp/B00L3LQ1FI

http://www.gamestop.com/wii-u/accessories/wii-u-gamecube-adapter/115426

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_63_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=SZC13G0F192TNSCTQK3A&th=1

those will all work.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE

Or the official WiiU one.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496549868&sr=8-1&keywords=mayflash+gamecube+adapter

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE

I'm assuming you mean most lagless

If you're gonna get an adapter make sure you get the 4 port mayflash one. Others will lag.

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Port/dp/B00RSXRLUE

https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Super-Smash-Classic-Gamecube-Controller/dp/B00O9GW8TC/ref=sr_1_4?crid=7U3QA3GIIPKH&keywords=white+gamecube+controller&qid=1569440986&s=gateway&sprefix=white+gamecube+%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-4

Expensive as fuck now, even moreso than it was two years ago where I got it for like 100 flat.

nah you want to buy one of the adapters Nintendo made when Smash Wii U or Smash Ultimate came out, or one of the Mayflash offbrand ones. Then you can practice with your real controller which will lag less in the emulator.

Here's a link:

https://www.amazon.com/Mayflash-GameCube-Controller-Adapter-Switch/dp/B00RSXRLUE/

I'm probably going to be buying this capture card: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00428BF1Y/ref=crt_ewc_img_dp_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A165P864A8QJ3J

But im really confused about what kind of splitters I should buy. Most guides say that I should get s-video splitter, and a auidio + svideo cable that comes from the wii. Is there another option? Because If I wanna take it to a tournament then I would need to bring s-video cables for gamecube and wii and would only be able to use it on tvs that have svideo

AFAIK this is the mayflash adapter you want. It supports native inputs which basically means little to no input lag. The 2 port adapters work, but they add a noticeable amount of input lag.

As a recent owner of an easycap I couldn't recommend against it enough. Mine was a pain to setup and the quality went from bad to really glitchy and awful in the span of a day. I think the dazzle is supposed to be okay, and I know that Cosmowright uses this for his sd capture.
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I think that the dazzle and that both do 60fps capture while the easycap does not