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Yeah definitely, the Detroit 2 stroke is a solid design. The Soviets loved the Detroit especially the ability to switch off one motor and run on 'silent' mode. Using this mode they managed to sneak up to German positions, attacking them by surprise. I highly recommend the book Commanding the Red Army's Sherman Tanks. A Guards unit using the M4A2 76 W to great success against the Wehrmacht.

The Russians also copied the 6-71 and produced a local version called the YaMZ-206.

Agreed. Lots of the WWII books from the 80's and 90's very much bought into the superior Wehrmacht narrative. Michael Reynolds "Steel Inferno: 1st SS Panzer Corps in Normandy" was one of the first "serious" books I read about Normandy and it really hit home on the "inferior" nature of Allied tanks, the superiority of training and leadership of the SS soldiers, and that the Allies prevailed through numbers. It wasn't Wehrby in the sense that the author had a hard-on for the SS, but it was part of the school of thought that developed from the 80's revisionist works like Carlo D'Este book "Decision in Normandy", which made the notion the Allies won purely through superior material and manpower central to its thesis.

My fourth year university seminar paper was on the historiography of Anglo-Canadian armor in the Battle of Normandy, and you can see how many of the Wehraboo idea's came out of the literature of the late 70's and early 80s, though they existed in more "military" circles prior to that (NATO really got off in the 50's and 60's on getting the former German commanders to give them tours so they could "learn their secrets" on how to defeat enemies with superior manpower and resources - apparently forgot these guys lost).

It wasn't until the 2000's you started to get books like John Buckley's "British Armour in the Normandy Campaign 1944" or Stephen Hart's "Montgomery and Colossal Cracks: The 21st Army Group in Northwest Europe, 1944-45" or Terry Copps "Fields of Fire: The Canadians in Normandy" the reevaluated the Anglo-Canadian performance in Normandy against the Wehrmacht and SS in a better light. I'm less familiar with the historiography of the US army in WWII.

But the stuff that Wehraboo's spout was pretty mainstream only 2-3 decades ago. That is why the History Channel stuff is so bad, since the HC stopped doing serious documentaries in the early 2000's for the most part, so what HC documentaries remains on youtube tends to reflect where the school of thought was at that time. For all intents and purposes, the stuff on this subreddit is an outgrowth of the recent round of revisionism that occured in WWII history, which is revisionism against the previous round that occured around the 80's, which itself was revisionism from the post-war works (and there are different kinds of revisionism as well, for example post war works tended to be very strategic looking where as the revisionism of the 80's brought in a lot of the ground level stuff from interviews with veterans - John Kegans work "The face of battle" was really important in starting the trend of getting the experiences of soldiers recorded in WWII history books)

> Japan did a carrot-and-stick approach, offering Thailand the land they lost to the UK and France in exchange for alliance.

You're looking for "carrot or stick" approach. Thailand had the options to use the Japanese involvement in the Tripartite Pact to get favorable negotiations with France, with the cost being allowing Japanese movement through Thailand to attack Burma (carrot!) or getting invaded by Japan, Japan moving troops through Thailand to attack Burma. That was in late 1940-early 1941.

December '41 Thailand was busily doing whatever they could to avoid war with Japan. "Just the tip?"

> I suppose the military dictatorship was in favor of allying with Japan, while other Thais were not.

The military dictatorship was interested in not getting the country obliterated entirely and the "official" support of Japan with some people just not toeing the line worked well. Hence the Thai ambassador not getting around to delivering the declaration of war on the US, which is what (with the Seri Thai) saved Thailand post WW2. I mean, France and England were still a bit pissed but the US was the big boy on the block.

> Japanese eventually started treating them more like subjects than equals.

By which you mean roughly December 1941, when Japanese troops invaded and started shooting?

The Seri Thai were also really, really important.

https://www.amazon.com/Thailands-Secret-War-Underground-Cambridge/dp/0521836018

Brilliant book on the subject. Recommend reading it if you get a chance and are interested in this sort of thing.

TLDR; Thailand master level political fence sitters.

Wonderful uniforms as well.I also like some of the traditional pieces to the uniform.Plus I like the simplicity of their equipment,just the basics.I actually have the book where the pic you've provided came from.Its a great book that has uniforms and gear illustrated in this manner.Different nations are represented with details about each piece of gear and uniforms depicted.It can be found here.

https://www.amazon.com/Infantry-Colour-Photographs-Europa-Militaria/dp/1872004253/ref=sr_1_46?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482618984&sr=1-46&keywords=ww1+uniforms

Good film and all, but I prefer "Russia's War", by Richard Overy, as a sort of "you don't really know the Eastern Front yet", go to source.

Come and See is certainly better for an emotional understanding though. But I can't recommend that book enough, I feel like if anyone is going to read one WW2 History Book, read that one.

Scientists under Hitler what's interesting is how Deutsch Physik has sorta become a meme here, and while it did slow down the Germans progress the American's advantage was just that they had better physicists and better facilities for doing experimental research.

The professor in question is Dr. Steven M. Miner of Ohio University. He wrote the book Stalin's Holy War and is currently in the process of publishing a history of the Soviet Union during the Second World War. I offhandedly mentioned Grover Furr in a conversation we were having (I think it came up because we were discussing David Irving and other "historians" who've dedicated their careers to whitewashing desports) and Dr. Miner mentioned an incident where Furr published a "rebuttal" to an article he'd published about the Nazi-Soviet Pact. Said rebuttal was comprised entirely of Furr parroting long-disproven Soviet propaganda and casting negative aspersions on his character. This was during my sophomore year, so some of the details are fuzzy, but I remember we both enjoyed a good laugh at how pompous and self-righteous Furr's language was.

People who write memoirs often try to paint themselves in a better light as they aim on publishing it. Especially when it comes to post-war Germany, most soldiers kept quiet about what they did and witnessed during the war. It is now known that a majority of soldiers in all branches of the military had a pretty clear account of what was happening in the east. You might want to take a look into Sönke Neitzel's Soldiers if you are interested in what German POWs talked about when they thought they could talk freely.

https://www.amazon.com/Supplying-War-Logistics-Wallenstein-Patton/dp/0521546575

This book has a great chapter on the North Africa campaign and argues, with a massive amount of evidence from records on logistics, that Rommel never had a chance to win in North Africa.

You can read a lot of that chapter in the book preview if you're interested. Check out the conclusion to chapter 6 for a quick run down

I mentioned this another thread, but this should fulfill your desires nicely.

I recall reading an excerpt from the viewpoint of Alexander Pokryshkin (my favorite fighter pilot) in Attack of the Airacobras.

He discussed how on the eve of the Battle of Kursk, he was pulling a fighter sweep and saw a battery of these things going off.

> The smoke, dust, and fire, even from the air, looked staggering. It began to look as if an enormous explosion overtook our men. I switched frequencies and radioed any ground troops nearby...not knowing what was happening. After a forward observer enlightened me on the situation, I thought to myself, "Glad I'm not on the ground to hear that racket. But I'm sure as hell glad I'm not some poor bastard on the receiving end of it all."

Gonna skim a few right off the top of Amazon's search results for you, since you can't be bothered to make any effort to look for evidence:

https://www.amazon.com/Barbarossa-Derailed-David-M-Glantz/dp/1909982830/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=glantz&qid=1570627468&s=books&sr=1-9

Pretty cool picture!

https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Spain-Spanish-Civil-1936-1939-ebook/dp/B000O76N7S/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=beevor&qid=1570627503&s=books&sr=1-4

Another picture, very nicely painted.

Your argument is as bankrupt as the one where you claim that Mortons is a self publishing company, which, might I add, you still have not backed up in any way.

I do like how your understanding of professional historian evolved from "anyone who publishes under their own name" to "literally only Glantz and Beevor" in a couple of short days.

This is a pretty great Alternate History book about what might have happened if the Nazis had lasted until the 1950s.

It's great if you like terrifying overkill (the Allies end up preparing for naval landings with multi-day barrages of automatic 8" naval artillery from battle lines of as many as fifty cruisers, followed by aerial bombardment with tens of thousands of gallons of napalm and fuel-air bombs), awesome team-ups (Viet Minh fighting Nazis alongside the USMC in fascist France), and some of the greatest set piece battles that never were (four armies fight on the land, air and underground over a two square mile bunker fortress).

I must admit he sometimes come off like that in interviews but his books are completely different.



Operation Barbarossa 1941: Hitler against Stalin

Is a very neat book to get.

According to a comment on r/Warthunder, it is The Tiger Files. Produced by... the Bovington Tank Museum.

Hmm, It just so happens to be on Prime. I might watch it and give my opinions on a separate post.

Also apparently "Bovington Tiger I" is billed as an actor on Amazon rather than a prop. :P

Edit: Not produced by Bovington Tank Museum at all (at least thats what the credit says), they just helped. Actually a pretty decent documentary.

If the P-39 piques your interest this is a good read.

I really like this.