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I´d say that the key to successful classroom management is transparency and consistency. Transparency because your rules need to be known and understood by all students; they should never have to guess at what you want (or don´t want), but know in advance. Whenever you dish out sanctions, you should not have to explain why - the student should be familiar with the rules and know that he/she broke them. If this is not the case, students will unknowingly break rules, you will punish them and thus frame yourself as a mean, unfair teacher. Understanding the rules is step one. This leads to the second point, consistency: sanctions should work almost like an if-this-then-that statement, meaning that you apply the same rules for all students, every single lesson, and as soon as a problem arises. If you are inconsistent, the system isn´t transparent and students will begin to test your limits - but if your limits are the same every single lesson, they will quickly learn them and, hopefully, learn to respect them.

Second, it´s important to understand that successful classroom management arises from a combination of rewards and sanctions - but many people forget the former. You will want to reward model behavior in order to communicate to the model student (and the rest of the class) that this is the sort of behavior you are looking for - this goes hand-in-hand with the transparency and consistency concepts mentioned above. If done correctly, you should see an increase in desirable behavior. Rewards don´t have to be tangible; a word of praise will do, or a clap on the shoulder, or a smile. Positive reinforcement, if done right, is often more impactful than sanctions. An example could be the following:

>In my classroom, students wait outside for me to open the door. I greet them at the door, they enter, take their seats and take out their notebooks, homework diaries and pencil cases. I have a poster outside my classroom to remind students of this, and it is drilled a bit in the first week of school.In the beginning, lots of students will forget to do it. At this point, I am tempted to frown and say something like "Remember what I told you last time? Take out your equipment!" The farther we get through the school year, the harsher my voice and the greater my frustration. But there´s another way to deal with it; find the one student who has taken out his/her equipment it and say "Maria has taken out her equipment, well done." This statement achieves the same as the former but is much more positive. You have stated your expectations and highlighted model behavior.

Role-modeling behavior like this works for a ton of things. Imagine that you ask a question to the class and three students raise their hands. Tell the class "I see three hands raised" - I promise you that a few more will pop up!

If things get more serious (for better or for worse), you should ideally have a whole-school policy in place to fall back on. Before you even start teaching, the first thing to do would be to talk to your line manager, department head or the class teacher to figure out if there are any such systems in place for rewards and punishment. An ideal school should have such a system; for example, merits for exceptional behavior and detentions for unwanted behavior. If there is such a system, most of your problems are already solved since you won´t have to figure out punishment and rewards, but only have to dole them out in accordance with your rules. If there is no such scheme, I recommend that you go through the other posts here - there are some great ideas.

One thing that I would stress in extension of this is that rewards and sanctions for the entire class go against the principles of transparency and consistency. If you teach 40 students and 30 behaved well while 10 misbehaved, do you reward or punish the class? If you reward, then you aren´t being transparent with the 10 - and if you punish, you aren´t with the 30.

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Finally, a quick list in no particular order:

• Be realistic. Don´t set rules that you can´t enforce and don´t be much more (or less) demanding than their other teachers when it comes to creating the rules.
  
• Make sure that the rules are agreed upon by the students. Some teachers like to use their first lesson to, as a class, write a set of rules. You might also consider asking the students what the rules are in their other lessons and work from there - again, consistency from teacher to teacher helps as well.
  
• Make sure that the rules are visible; either as a poster or as a handout glued in their notebooks. Consider getting them translated to your students´ first language. Again, for transparency.
  
• Do not, under any circumstance, compromise with transparency and consistency in the first weeks of teaching in order to give an impression of being that "cool, laid-back teacher" that we all loved when we went to school. If you don´t follow through with sanctions according to your rules, students will think you are a push-over. When you finally do put your foot down, they won´t understand why since you let them break your rules several times before. Transparency and consistency should automatically lead to mutual respect and a good classroom environment; once your students know the rules and follow them, you will only have to punish rarely.
  
• Read up on the topic. Books were already recommended in this thread, so I´ll add mine: Teach Like a Champion 2.0 by Doug Lemov. It´s developed from observing great teachers in charter schools in the USA, but most of the techniques are applicable in any classroom.
  
  I hope this helps!
  
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Ah man, as an American, this is actually a really tough question. I feel like you can "get away" with quite a bit here. Even "breaking etiquette" is going to cause weird looks or irritation at most.

A quick Google search brought up this article from TripAdvisor. I think the section on "topics to avoid" is pretty good. A great way to make someone uncomfortable very quickly is to start talking about politics, religion, or how much money they make. The article makes some other good points, too, but some of it seems overly detailed. For example, yes, we do generally switch our fork from hand to hand when cutting food vs eating, but if you were to keep your fork always in your left hand, no one is going to be offended or weirded out.

I tried to look for something on Amazon and found this book. The reviews look good, most 3- 4- star reviews are because the language level would be tough for new ESL students. Looking through the sample, I'm not sure how relevant it would be to everyday etiquette though; looks like it's based on idioms.

I think your best bet is to create your own material based on information you can find from different sources. (And, hey, if you have questions, feel free to PM me.) I think your student's best bet will be to remember that he's not going to get into huge trouble breaking some kind of "etiquette." At least where I've lived (Hawaii, Oregon, and California), people are pretty understanding that tourists aren't going to get it 100% correct all the time. (Actually, especially in Hawaii, since the entire state lives on its tourist industry.)

Here are some other assorted sources that seem to have accurate information:

• Wikipedia page
  
• eDiplomat - This one is very much geared towards a business trip, so some of it is a little formal. For example, titles like "Mr. and Ms." aren't used in casual social situations and a light handshake isn't going to put anyone off. Overall, good general tips though.
  
• How the world views Americans - This was actually an article written for Americans about how the world views us. However, I still think there's some good insight here because it highlights the differences in American culture. For example, I didn't realize our "polite smiles" were so unusual. Apparently we smile a lot!
  
• Another article - Some repeat material, but all fairly relevant.
  
  So, yes. Hope that helps a bit!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

I think large schools/institutions that are pulling in considerable funding should purchase textbooks, but I'm definitely with you when it comes to teachers in non-profit, impoverished, or just poorly managed smaller settings where they have to put the good of their students before any notion of copyright infringement.

The problem, right now, with most free/open-source/copyleft materials is that they lack coherence and progression. The value in textbooks, specifically coursebooks, is that they provide a basic structure for at least a major component/module/thread of the class, if not the whole syllabus itself. Day in and day out, a good coursebook can form your backbone for lesson planning and sequence, and of course saves teachers loads of time that it would otherwise take them to create the same volume of comparable materials. The time saving and structure factors are only amplified in a lot of EFL settings where teachers frequently spend 5+ hours a day in the classroom and have to bounce between teaching a dozen (or two) different courses. A good, profitable/well-funded school should provide these coursebooks, but I can't blame a teacher in less than ideal circumstances for making the best decision for their students instead of the best decision for a publisher like Pearson, Cambridge, or Cengage.

I think one good investment for individual teachers, though, is books that provide broad selection of activities that can be freely copied or easily adapted. One that I'm using right now is Teaching English Spelling: A Practical Guide by Shemesh and Waller. Though it calls itself a spelling book, it actually tackles phonics and can be quite useful for any class that struggles with spelling (anyone else teach Arabic speakers?). All of the activities are freely reproducible and the lessons are sequenced in a way that makes a nice recurring module for a class. Similarly, some teacher training books like Folse's The Art of Teaching Speaking include photocopiable handouts or activities that can be used outright or are easily modified.

I can't speak much about teaching in Taiwan but there are lots of good opportunities and everyone I know who has done it absolutely loves it. I can comment however about learning Mandarin in Taiwan and other tidbits.

As a Computer Engineering graduate, Mandarin is the most useful language you could possibly learn so I highly recommend it. After teaching English and learning Mandarin for a while, you may want to consider using your Computer Engineering degree to help you get a job in Taiwan (at an English-speaking company) - everything in the PC industry goes through here so it could be some interesting experience.

As for learning Mandarin, definitely try to learn some before coming out but don't worry too much as you'll "re-learn" a lot when you're in Taiwan. Focus on learning the tones and learning to understand spoken Mandarin above all else so that you're ready to learn quickly when you land in Taiwan. Remember that you'll be learning Beijing Mandarin abroad and while Taiwan Mandarin is very similar but there are some "quirks." Also, remember that if you move to the South of Taiwan most people speak Taiwanese, not Mandarin, so you may want to be in the North if you're keen to learn Mandarin. Lastly, remember that you'll learn pinyin and simplified characters abroad but if you want to continue your studies in Taiwan you'll be learning with bopomo (ㄅㄆㄇ) and traditional characters.

If you have an iPod or iPhone, buy a copy of Pleco. This will come in very handy for learning but also for writing out any signs you come across. If you want to learn to read Traditional Characters, I can recommend this book: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0824833244. But honestly the best thing to do in advance of coming would be to set up some (Pleco/Mnemosync/Anki) flash cards with typical "menu words" and learn to read them. All the authentic restaurants have no English menu. :)

Send me a PM if you want any more info.

The test you linked to tests for grammatical accuracy in prestige-level, educated-white-people English only. If your students are exclusively learning English in order to produce grammatically accurate answers to fill-in-the-blank questions, then congratulations, you've got the perfect test on your hands. If they want to do other things in the language, and they've been training for other purposes, then you really need to rethink your approach.

It's important to be really thoughtful about what kinds of language needs your students have, and to judge them on the basis of their ability to perform the sorts of tasks they need to perform. It's unfair (and not very informative) to test farm workers on their ability to analyze poetry if their goal is to learn to negotiate for better pay with their English-speaking foreman.

Instead, think about what specific tasks they need to be capable of completing in English, and gauge their ability to perform those tasks with simulations that are as close to real life as possible. If your student wants to be a server at a restaurant, can they jot down an order for a family of five? If your student wants to study at a university, can they read a short passage in their field and write a paragraph or two about it? If your student wants to watch foreign movies, can they watch a video clip without subtitles and summarize what happened? It's relatively easy to judge success on those things. If they've produced a short order slip that a cook can read, an essay that a professor would accept, or a summary that's accurate enough for relating to a friend, then they've got the skill. Rather than judging them against an imagined 'perfect native speaker', as the Oxford test does (a norm-referenced test), you should judge them on their ability to perform in the language (a criterion-referenced test).

Of course, all of that needs to be balanced against your time and resources, and how accurate and useful you need the data to be. Maybe grammatical accuracy is close enough to what the students goals are that you can get by with that kind of a test. If they're all aiming to go to university in the UK, that might be a halfway decent test, although you still wouldn't know much about their ability to listen to a lecture or organize their thoughts into a cohesive essay. If all you can manage to put together is a paper test, well, some data is more informative than no data. Just be careful of how much weight you put on the test, and consider how much of an effect it will have on your students' lives. Adding in even a little bit of verbal question and answer testing will give you a big advantage in test reliability over just a paper test alone.

For an introduction to some of the more important theoretical and social issues involved in language testing, or if you are interested in making your own language tests, check out:

Bachman, L. F. (2000). Modern language testing at the turn of the century: Assuring that what we count counts. Language testing, 17(1), 1-42.

Shohamy, E. (1998). Critical language testing and beyond. Studies in Educational Evaluation, 24(4), 331-345.

Fulcher, G. (2013). Practical language testing. Routledge.

I'm in a similar position as you. I'm from Houston and graduated back in December 2011 with a marketing major (doesn't matter), but I didn't have my parents behave the way yours have. I've been working a job now for over a year and I just recently quit to pursue teaching in China (I leave in August). I liked hearing the mixed responses when telling my friends and family that I was leaving for over a year to teach. They were mostly positive ("oh man, I wish I could do that!"), which, if they really stepped back and looked at their current situation..they COULD! and the ones that were negative or flat out rude just fueled me because I know a lot of ignorant and narrow minded people that don't know anything besides a mundane life in suburbia with a boring job, fat wife, and annoying kids. (They took the path of least resistance). If you are young and have 0 responsibilities, getting out in the world and travelling at a young age has its rewards. You don't want to wait until your old to look back and have the, "oh I wish I would have done this or that". ESL teaching is a JOB, you get paid well and if you put your time in you can get paid REALLY well. Granted you're not going to make as much $ there as you would in the states, but you'll be happier because you're doing what YOU want to do, not what your PARENTS want you to do. I've been able to study abroad and travel a lot and I want to keep travelling because I know how fun and rewarding it is. You aren't "screwing" yourself over. I highly recommend Jame Altucher's book Choose Yourself! (he did an AMA on here a few days back) and its very motivational especially if you're trying to figure out what you want to do with your life. I have gotten rid of 3/4 of my crap, paid off all bills, have 0 debt, no gf. Less is more! and I cannot wait to leave. You should be excited to leave as well and pursue something that you're passionate about (photography, blogging, videos, etc.)

Hey, don't let shyness stop you! I told people for years that I would NEVER be a teacher, that I was terrified of having to talk to and manage other people, but it turns out I'm pretty good at it! It's all an act...you are an actor up there! Just channel your old teachers, that's what I do ;)

As for the lack of grammar knowledge...you could always study on your own.

These are some of the books we're using on the course:

https://www.amazon.com/Grammar-English-Language-Teachers-Parrott/dp/0521712041/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481038149&sr=8-1&keywords=parrot+english+grammar

https://www.amazon.com/Teaching-Tenses-Presenting-Practising-English/dp/0175559201/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1481038180&sr=8-1&keywords=teaching+tenses+by+rosemary+aitken

You'll learn the rules and how to teach them too. But keep in mind that a lot of people who enter the course don't really know everything.

I'm taking the course now, but I fell into teaching two years ago. I studied languages, but I never really had proper English classes here in the US. Now I'm pretty good at teaching, you can learn on the job!

So, it's not impossible. It's up to you if you want to give it a try.

If you do, I hope you come to love teaching like I do!

Personally, I've never had the chance to take a CELTA course, but I have heard many good things about it. I haven't heard of the other programs you mentioned.

BTW, If you would like to pick up some general TEFL tips in advance of taking a course, I'd recommend investing in a comprehensive text like Learning Teaching.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0230729843/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1393974279&sr=8-1

There's a fair amount of information in the text on lesson planning as well as teaching listening, reading, writing and speaking.

Cheers.

1. Make sure you brush up on the language point you're teaching. Have examples prepared beforehand that you can present to your students, and a way of explaining it that is concise and easy to understand. Practical English Usage by Michael Swan is quite a useful resource.
   
   
2. Have a good lesson plan prepared, but don't be a slave to it. Parts of the lesson may take more or less time than anticipated, depending on student interest, how long it takes to grasp something, etc. As you gain more experience you'll get better at estimating how long particular stages of a lesson should last.
   
   
3. Don't be too hard on yourself if you have a bad class. It happens. Reflect on it to see if there was anything you could have done differently, but don't dwell on it too much. Move on.
   
   Bonus tip - trying to get the students to speak English can be a struggle, but there are ways to motivate them. One method I use is to have a yellow and red card to hand, like a football referee. If a student uses their first language too much, they get the yellow card. If they do it again, they get the red card and have to do a forfeit - something like singing a stupid song or press-ups. Perhaps let the class take a vote on what the forfeit should be - that way no-one can really complain if they have to do it.

Sounds like you're looking for curriculum. So google grade level, common core ELA and see what you get. I usually use the California framework to skill build for my boarding kids. Definitely gunge your student's ability level and decide if there skills are at grade level. I've had kids like the one your describing come in a few grade levels below where they needed to be. One good tip is to do an essay and make a list of things to work on with your student so you can show them improvement over time. That way you can manage expectations. Anyhow, here's a list of resources I use:

Use this one to build topical lessons: https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Academic-English-Third-Longman/dp/0201340542/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=oshima+writing+academic+english+3rd&qid=1562233499&s=gateway&sr=8-1

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And this one to load up punctuation: https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Book-Grammar-Punctuation-Easy/dp/1118785568/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=blue+book+of+american+english+and+grammar&qid=1562233598&s=gateway&sr=8-2

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This series is also awesome for building lessons: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=elements+of+literature&crid=3EMT7657D9UI&sprefix=elements+of+liter%2Caps%2C451&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

It might teach you something about teaching, but it's not really going to help you land a job. There's an FAQ in the sidebar about certifications if you're interested in what will help you land a job.

You learn how to be a teacher by teaching, not reading about teaching or passing quizzes about teaching. The two latter are the only two assessments an online course can provide and they show nothing to an employer about what you can bring to a classroom.

Sixty quid isn't much to risk on a chance to gather a few pointers before you land in a classroom, though, so if it's unrefundable you might as well see what they have to say. Otherwise, pick up this book or this book, which are two of the main textbooks for CELTA courses.

If you're applying to a CELTA course, I'm sure that there's more to your reasons than "I like to teach." For example, think about these:

Why did you decide on CELTA instead of Trinity, SIT, or a no-name course?
Why have you chosen the field of ESL/EFL instruction? What makes you think you can succeed at it?
Why have you decided to start your career with CELTA (or, if you're already teaching, why have you decided to take it now)?
Are you taking the CELTA because you want to be employed in a particular market that requires it (e.g. Europe)?

As far as English grammar goes, I didn't have much knowledge of pedagogical grammar when I did the CELTA and it wasn't a problem. You'll be able to brush up on individual grammar points as you teach them. I highly recommend Michael Swan's Practical English Usage. It has about everything you'll ever need to know presented in a fashion which will help you explain it clearly to language learners.

There are still many private school jobs in south korea. The public school sector is slowing down and shrinking. However, for someone that is just doing a gap year teaching abroad, I would definitely recommend going to a private teaching institution, a "hagwon."

You don't really need to learn to be a great teacher at these places. The curriculum is set and everything is a step-by-step procedure that has already been worked out by the school.

Other jobs require much more acquisition of teaching skills and learning how to find and use the right activities, etc.

I actually helped my friend edit a book that she wrote about how to get a job teaching ESL. This book is available on amazon and may be useful for you.

Here's a link if you want to check it out.

https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Hired-Finding-Great-Abroad-ebook/dp/B01FVVPXFO/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1468099560&sr=1-2

Grammar for English Language Teachers by Martin Parrott, it's a super accessible book with great explanations and examples of confusing grammar points. I've heard from more advanced ESL teachers that it isn't as hyper-detailed as some of the other grammar books out there, but I think it's a good place for you to start, I know it helped me a ton when I was going through CELTA and my first teaching position. Once you've got the basics down, you can always invest in a more dense grammar book (like the other ones mentioned ITT) and use the two in conjunction with each other. Chin up OP! It's only a bump in the road, you'll find a course that suits you if ESL is what you're really passionate about and you stick with it.

Not meaning to berate you. It's very hard to tell which courses are worth anything before you start out in the business. There are a lot of con artists around and they all claim to be offering 'internationally recognised certificates'. Before I started out I almost did something similar until someone already in the business warned me off them.

The truth is though, only accredited courses with face-to-face teaching experience with genuine learners are of any real use (It doesn't have to be CELTA or Trinity although these are the most well known). Even these are really only a very basic introduction. If you're wanting to volunteer then any decent organisation would provide you with better training than you get from these online courses for free.

Instead of giving 49 quid to these de facto scam artists you'd be better off buying this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Practice-Language-Teaching-Handbooks-Teachers/dp/1405853115/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333046577&sr=8-1 If you want you can even send me the difference and I'll send you an 'internationally recognised' certificate'.

Trinity CertTESOL Guide is a new title specifically to support CertTESOL trainees: https://www.amazon.com/Trinity-CertTESOL-Companion-Language-Teachers/dp/1909783242/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498628891&sr=8-1&keywords=certtesol

Trinity CertTESOL Study Resources: http://www.trinitycollege.co.uk/site/?id=1340

Cambridge CELTA Trainee Book is "official" in the sense that it (and the CELTA Course Trainer's Manaul) are in ubiquitous use in actual course classrooms. Obviously not exactly the same as the CertTESOL, but I'd venture to estimate 95% applicable content: https://www.amazon.com/CELTA-Course-Trainee-Book/dp/0521692067/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498629160&sr=8-1&keywords=cambridge+celta+trainee

If that's still not enough, pm your email to me and I'll send you a link to an excellent course preparation resource.

Most hagwons won't expect you to know anything about lesson planning. Nonetheless, I always recommend Jeremy Harmer's How to Teach English as a primer for new teachers. It covers the basics of everything you'll need to know to get started. I use his Engage - Study - Activate (ESA) model for lesson planning in a teacher training course that I teach. It's simple yet useful for people new to lesson planning.

honestly it is not as hard as some people make it out to be. I passed with a B last year. I had no teaching experience and a C at GCSE english. I read the Parrott grammar book and looked on the British council site.

It is very time consuming (I often ended up doing 12 - 16 hour days) Don't make any plans for the 4 weeks is best bet. Also always make sure you get as far ahead in assignments to keep the stress down.

Overall though, don't stress it, you are there to learn to teach, not to be assessed as a teacher.

This book is very dense but an excellent resource. I've used it as a daily reference for about 4 years now.

I liked IELTS Express because it was quite easy to use.

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https://www.amazon.com/IELTS-Express-Intermediate-Track-Success/dp/113331306X

[This](http://Grammar for English Language Teachers https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521712041/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ABpXzbWA9BY6S) book was my go to for improving my grammar teaching ability

I'd go with this http://www.amazon.com/The-Teachers-Grammar-English-Answers/dp/0521007550

It'll be helpful throughout the class as well as in your career.

Every EFL/ESL teacher should have a copy of Practical English Usage by Michael Swan. It is the ultimate language analysis of English.

Here's an abbreviated excerpt of a section from that book that addresses the issues in that above example sentence you gave:

>281 infinitives (3): without to
section 2: after let, make, hear, etc

>Certain verbs are followed by object + infinitive without to

>They include let, make, see, hear, feel, watch, and notice.

>ex: She lets her children stay up very late. NOT She lets her children to stay up very late.
ex: I made them give me the money back. NOT I made them to give me the money back.

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>For more information about structures with make, see 335.

If you can't get the book, you're looking for when to use to or not with infinitive verbs, which should be very easy to find online material for.

The Practice of English Language Teaching by Jeremy Harmer. Read it. Then go in for your interview. Link: https://www.amazon.com/Practice-Language-Teaching-Handbooks-Teachers/dp/1405853115

I also flipped through The Practice of English Language Teaching but I didn't read it in depth so I can't quite say. Amazon apparently has a table of contents in the preview section for How to Teach English so you could take a look at that to see if it's a retread or not.

How to Teach Grammar

Teaching English Grammar: What to Teach and How to Teach it

Explaining English Grammar: A guide to explaining grammar for teachers of English as a second or foreign language. (Oxford Handbooks for Language Teachers)

Teaching Tenses: Ideas for Presenting and Practising Tenses in English

Grammar for English Language Teachers

Concept Questions and Time Lines

Grammar Practice Activities Paperback with CD-ROM: A Practical Guide for Teachers (Cambridge Handbooks for Language Teachers)

Grammar Games: Cognitive, Affective And Drama Activities For Efl Students

Teaching and Learning Grammar

Oxford Basics: Teaching Grammar

Oxford Practice Grammar

Oxford Learner's Grammar:: Grammar Builder

Natural Grammar

Just Grammar (2 levels)

Grammar and Vocabulary for Advanced Book with Answers and Audio: Self-Study Grammar Reference and Practice

Grammar and Vocabulary for First and First for Schools Book with Answers and Audio

Cambridge Grammar for IELTS

Cambridge Grammar for PET

Longman English Grammar Practice

Collins COBUILD English Grammar

A Practical English Grammar

Practical English Usage

Grammar Practice for Elementary/Pre-intermediate/Intermediate Students

I can almost guarantee that it's a pretty shitty course made up of copy and pasted bits from Jeremy Harmer. You may learn something, but why not just buy his book for £30

If you do this course it's kind of like telling your future students to go fuck themselves, you're only in it for the money.

It's fairly insulting to anyone who's studied a masters to call it a masters course. I will say at least they were honest in this part:

>For some employers, this course is more than sufficient, combined with being a fluent English speaker to get paid teaching work.

Some employers in Asia will accept this as reason to give you a job. Although I think even in South Korea they are becoming more aware of how dodgy these online courses are and are asking for more of a face to face component.