(Part 2) Best products from r/Ultralight

Solid luxiurious list, but I think with gear like this, you could leave some stuff behind or replace stuff with a lighter option (minor, inexpensive stuff) and drop about 3lbs to get to sub-12lb baseweight.

For one, your rain gear set-up is pretty heavy. Could probably benefit from a Hellium II and replace the pants with a MYOG trash compactor bag skirt for the times where you DO need it and drop a pound.

Personally, for me, it is more about bringing less stuff rather than focussing on the lightest gear. Reduced weight is a byproduct of bringing less stuff ;) That being said, the measuring cup is something that doesn't weight much but can definitely be left at home and is one less thing to keep track of. Could probably be practiced with other items on the list as well but the measuring cup is one that sticks out. Just mark your water bottles or pot.

Also, you have stakes for your tent (9, kind of a lot IMO), AND stakes for your stove... bring 6 mini GH for the duplex, and 4 for guying out AND for your stove. or 2 mini GH for the vest. stakes and 8 or 6 for the rest. Or some sort of combination to help you reduce weight and stuff.

Could do without the sponge, mirror, bar-o-soap, burn ointment (minor burns - just suck it up, major burns - ointment ain't going to really help that much), moleskin (just use bandaids - fabric kind are where it's at) and extra batteries (see next paragraph).

It seems like a waist to have a big anker 10,000 mA charger but have a battery powered headlamp that needs extra batteries. Either have everything run on batteries where you will only need a few emergency batteries, or bring a power bank and have everything charge from that when needed. Depending on how long you are out there and how often you use your phone for pictures, you might not need it at all. If so, major weight savings. Batteries are heavy. I switched to a Nitecore Thumb and LOVE this thing. If you don't plan on doing a lot of night hiking, I highly recommend this guys. Many others highly recommend it too. If you have the power bank, you get to use your phone AND your light for as much as you want but know that I have done like 3 weekend trips and have yet to recharge my Nitecore Thumb. IF that that thing breaks for whatever reason, you can use your phone light and if you bring your power bank, you have peace of mind for both those items in one power bank vs. power bank AND batteries.

If you are bringing the squeeze, I don't think you will need the aquamira. Bring one or the other. I would maybe bring both for a hike on the CDT where water sources are mediocre at best but on the AT, just bring the squeeze.

How much would you save after all that? Let me know but it could be significant. Even with those items removed, you are still backpacking in comfort with a pretty darn light pack.

Last thing, I think your clothese (apart from the rain gear) are right on. I would bring the exact same. Here is my LP for reference if it helps: https://lighterpack.com/r/f8xz26

I'm gonna try to break down most of the places you could save weight, as well as give you an idea of dollars per ounce saved for each item so you can figure out the best place to focus your available budget.

• Your pack is pretty heavy. Something like the Osprey Exos 48 will cost around $180 and weighs ~40 oz. That'll save you ~20.8 oz at about $8.65 per oz.
  
  
• Your bag is also heavy, as you have pointed out. As /u/schmuckmulligan pointed out, a HG Burrow Econ 20 would save you weight for added warmth. I would recommend a wide width, since HG quilts are narrower since they are aimed at hammock sleepers. A $170 wide will save you ~16.9 oz at about $10.06 per oz. You could also consider a HG Burrow Econ 30, which will save you more weight, and will be cheaper.
  
  
• The $215 24 oz Lunar Solo from Six Moon Designs would save you ~23.3 oz at about $9.23 per oz. If you don't have a trekking pole, they also sell lightweight poles to support the shelter.
  
  
• $15 Frogg Toggs will save you ~6 oz at about $2.50 per oz.
  
  
• You can drop the extra shirt and the extra underwear for a free savings of ~7.8 oz. A lot of people will just wear the same shirt and underwear for the duration of their trips.
  
  
• A 14$ ThruNite Ti3 will save you ~2.7 oz at about $5.19 per oz. The NiteCore Thumb is also a good option with similar weight savings. I discussed the differences between the two in this comment in a thread yesterday.
  
  
• You can save ~1.1 oz for free by dropping the Iodine Tablets. The Sawyer is good enough, and won't make your water taste bad.
  
  All in all, everything here will save you ~78.6 oz or almost 5 lbs. Obviously, don't take anything I or anyone else says as perfect for you. If having extra clothes makes your hike a lot better, then I don't think the weight savings is worth it.
  
  Hope this helps!

Thanks for the tag dude. New username so I didn't immediately catch it.

/u/khovs thanks for bringing this up. I've looked at this pack a few times and I could not imagine it to be a good bag for beginners, and I haven't read strong positive reviews that squelch my concerns. That's why I haven't placed it on the list. That said, if it is a genuinely good pack, then I'd like to see a good comprehensive review with some photos of seams, framesheet, materials, etc. Cause the price is certainly right.

As an example, I own a very similar pack, the REI Flash knockoff, which is claimed to be 30L (it's not), is $30, and appears to be made of similar materials to this pack. The difference being that the knockoff flash has a framesheet... and it even struggles to comfortably carry total pack weights above 15-20lbs with that (thats not to say other frameless packs can't... it's just not a great design). I have taken that pack off the list as I am not totally sure I'd be comfortable using it myself for anything except a 1 nighter. Further, I am really wary of recommending a completely self stowable nylon pack to beginners. Stowable packs are usually far inferior when it comes to all day comfort and support. And I wouldn't expect much for $18.99 w/Amazon prime. I'm also fairly doubtful it's actually 40L... some of the amazon reviews confirm this suspicion.

Lastly, many of the non 5 star Amazon reviews mention it to be of poor construction and uncomfortable for extended use. It seems the majority of the 5 star reviewers are using it as day packs for short hikes or using it as a general purpose bag, which differs greatly from our use case. None of the reviews I see on amazon mention using it for backpacking in any sense.

Maybe I'm wrong, but these are my concerns. It would be irresponsible for me to recommend a pack like that just to make the list work, because I feel it would ultimately drive people away from the sport. This is why we need a good comprehensive review.

The Alternatives list has a pretty good Ali express pack that seems to hold up well as it was positively reviewed by a couple ultralighters on this subreddit. The photos and personal tips from that review provided a lot of good info that made people comfortable with that pack.

While the Klymit motion pack lasted a year a half at around $60, it seems for the past month or two it's been hovering closer to $100... so until another competing pack comes out, I'd recommend that Ali one. It's a pity because that klymit is a great pack (hint hint klymit if you're reading)

Pack mfgs listen up! We need a budget 35-40L pack at around 30-40oz - for no more than $80!

EDIT:
For the record, this is the pack I have been most keen on adding to the list - but I am still very wary. If anyone wants to try it, please report back.

The tops of the MLD ultralight bivies are made from the same material as their quilt liner. The material is incredibly thin and light. You can read the text of their quilt liner page, where it says "Adds about 5 degrees to any sleep system." I have the bivy liner and I don't really count on it adding 5 degrees, it's more just something to have as a layer between my bare skin and the quilt, keep body oils from soiling the quilt.

http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=169

So I would say the MLD ultralight bivy might add a few degrees of warmth, but I wouldn't really count on it for warmth at all. It's more just a lighter alternative to buying a bug nest for use under a tarp.

The SOL Escape Bivy is a lightweight solution to add 10 degrees, maybe for some people a bit more, to your sleep system. (Some people use it on its own as a sleeping bag down to, say, 50 degrees, seems like it would be a bit too cold for me, but with clothes I'm sure I could do it.) I have this SOL bivy and it would be way better choice to add warmth than the MLD ultralight bivy. You can do a web search for a lot of reviews/tests where people have endured fairly cold temps with it. It's not super-duper light, maybe 8-9oz, and it isn't super durable either. But light enough, durable enough, cheap enough, and works well enough that it's an interesting piece of gear.

Here's one review of SOL Escape Bivy on youtube. This guy uses it on its own as a sleeping bag, and uses it in colder temps than I think most people would want to (down to 32*), but gives you a good idea of what it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFbGMjhHg4&t=104s


https://www.amazon.com/Survive-Outdoors-Longer-Escape-Bivvy/dp/B00EZEPCB4

(On Amazon link you can click to buy the orange color instead of green, which has sale price of $30, pretty darn good price for piece of equipment like this.)

• You should absolutely look to buy your pack last, once you have everything else sorted out. If at that point y our base weight is >10lbs, and total weight is around 20lbs, then looking at a frameless pack is fine, but if you end up much higher than that then you will really want a pack with a frame. Also you will be able to estimate how much space you need and avoid having to return the Burn if it ends up being to small.
  
  
• The EE APEX Rev is $185 for a 30° quilt. I have the older version, and a few other people here have the same thing, and we all love it. It takes up a bit more space in your pack, but the price is great, and the quality is excellent. You also have the Burrow Econ 20° that you mentioned in the same price range.
  
  
• That Costco throw will only be good to around 50°, and for someone your height it will be short, even if you modify it. I'm 5'9" and it was ok for me, but I've since given it to my dog to use on trips.
  
  
• You don't have much to lose by testing out the GG pad, they're cheap so if you don't like it it isn't the end of the world, just make sure you try it at home first. Nothing is worse than realizing you hate it when you're out on the trail with no alternative.
  
  
• For toothbrush just go to Target and buy a cheap brush, I cut the handle on mine so it would fit in a Ziploc bag and it weighs .25oz
  
  
• Pack liner all the way. They weigh 2oz and keep everything inside dry. Things on the outside don't need to be dry anyway. Pack covers are less than ideal, especially once water starts running down the back
  
  
• Replace your rain jacket with Frogg Toggs, saves you 5oz for $15. The FT pants suck, so I would leave them at home.
  
  
• Ditch the sleep clothes. If it's warm you won't need them, and if it's cold you will want something warmer.
  
  
• You can save 3-4 oz with a new pot. Something like a grease pot is cheap and works well.
  
  
• Depending on length of trip I would leave the charger or get a lighter one. Anker makes some great ones
  
  
• You could probably lighten up a lot of you Miscellaneous stuff by paring down your FAK, carrying less sanitizer or sunscreen, and fewer wet naps and all.

Philosophy: spend as much money as you can on the best Big 3 you can. Leave worrying about shaving grams with titanium mugs and other small shit until you get bored and you budget is bigger. :)

Big 3: $610

• Tarptent double rainbow - $275
  
• Enlightened equipment - RevX 40 - $180
  
• ULA CDT - $135
  
• Thremarest Ridgerest SOlite (Torso length) - $20
  
  
  Cooking: $24.50
  
  
• Stanco Greasepot: $10
  
• Tritan LMF spork: $2
  
• Supercat stove: Free
  
• Aluminum foil windscreen: free +effort
  
• Reflectix pot cozy: $10 + effort
  
• Bic mini: $0.50
  
• Waterbottles: 2x 1L Kroger-brand generic smart water bottles: $2
  
  
  First Aid: $32
  
  
• Scentless Zinc oxide creme: $5
  
• Moleskins: $2
  
• Dr. Bronners unscented baby-mild soap: $5
  
• Band-aids: free
  
• Ducktape: free
  
• ibuprofen: free
  
• Imodium: free
  
• 100% DEET: $5
  
• sunscreen: free
  
• Aqua Mira tablets: $15
  
  Clothing: $64
  
  
• baseball cap: free
  
• bandana: free
  
• synthetic t-shirt from walmart: $5
  
• dri-ducks 100 wt fleece $32
  
• nylon gym shorts: free
  
• running shoes: free
  
• socks (2 pair): $27
  
• garbage bag poncho: free
  
  Other: $58
  
  
• headlamp: $35
  
• leatherman squirt: $23
  
  Total: $788.50
  
  base weight : ~10lbs
  

I don't know how anyone can sleep on a Thinlight but there was only a handful of nights (<5) where I was on what I considered to be hard ground. Could have probably avoided those spots for softer ground. If you think you needed the Z-lite on the Larapinta you'll probably at least want it shipped to you for the last ~750 or so miles of the PCT though. Warmth would be another consideration for me, but with a -5.5°c bag might not be an issue for you.

For the southern most ~650 miles I'd prefer to filter out particulars in the water. I did fill from some larger (standing water) alpine lakes north of there but if you're careful you shouldn't get any sediment, so treatment is fine for the vast majority of the trail. A lot of the higher altitude stuff SOBO near the start, you could get away without. You could also swap out one of your Maximus bottles for a Smart Water with a Sports cap. It's not wide mouth but the cap is perfect for backflushing. And you'll probably want to replace a bottle after 1500+ miles anyway.

Only 1 plug on that AuKey? Maybe the PA-U32 there are times where you can safely leave your stuff there on charge and be off doing something else (Drinking/Resupplyng) so having two things on the go (not having to head back and swap) is a bonus. Sometimes you find someone else with a spare port too though... You have earbuds so I assume you're listening to music a bit? If you're not a heavy user you could probably also get away with a 5k battery with the Nu+Phone being your only electronics. I'm going to test out the Folomov A1 Magnetic on the Cooloola Great Walk next week. Nitecore LC10+Quality 18500 batteries would meet your reputable brands requirement. (I'll borrow my 18500's from my Scuba torches)

You could get away without poles and I find that the faster I move the less I want them... I still carry two for my tent and use them a lot of the time though. There was only a few sections where finding a suitable tree/stick would be difficult.

OPSak wont be odour proof anyway. You smell. Your Bag smells. Your Tarp smalls. Your Pack Smells. The outside of the OPSak smells.

I'm bald I need a beanie. If you're not taking a Beanie, I'd at least suggest a Merino Buff. I also don't have a hooded jacket though... I like the flexibility of having a warm head without need for a jacket on.

Only time my hands felt cold were the second half of WA. You might avoid the worst of it there so could skate by with fingerless.

I got by with a (mostly new) Froggs jacket. Minimal patches by the end.

Heaps of tree cover in WA and for 3/4 of OR. Also the American Sun is piss weak. I burn in 20min in Brisbane. I got burnt once (just before Idyllwild) on the back of my calves on the PCT. After week 2 I put sunscreen on once, morning after a shower, and didn't reapply until my next shower and didn't get burnt again. Didn't buy any more when it ran out. Even when I was on blinding snow I didn't have sunscreen on. LimpBalm was a godsend though, take that.

BV500 wont fit comfortable in a Kumo, All your food probably wont fit in a BV500. Option: Strap it (empty) to the top and pack as much as you can into it at night.

Other notes: Trekking poles Sans straps? Straps are very beneficial, if you use the poles for hiking at all.

I really like a Triangle Bandage in my FAK... that might be packing fears though.

I will always think a Wide Brim hat > Cap for hiking. Especially in the exposed sections (so not for the top half, but over the mountains and in the bottom 600 miles)

There was many a late afternoon/night I was glad I had Thermals when hanging out with hiker friends.

I didn't take Wind/Rain pants. Seems most people didn't.

Pack seems good. Your largest weight savings would be your sleep system and shelter system, followed by dropping unnecessary items and swapping out some clothing for lighter versions.

1. Quilt option examples: Nunatak Arc 20 ($360, ~21.2oz, https://nunatakusa.com/nunatak-premium-quilts/106-arc-ul-2010f.html, Arc 10 adds about 5oz), EE Enigma Custom 10 850 Charcoal 10D outside Orange 7D inside ($320, ~21.09oz, https://enlightenedequipment.com/enigma-custom/, 950 down option adds about $85 and drops 2oz), or Thermarest Vesper 20 Quilt ($380, 19oz, http://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer, 950 down included, street date 2019Q1).
   
2. Sleeping pad upgrade: Thermarest NeoAir XLite ($170, often on sale for less, 12oz, rvalue 3.2, https://www.amazon.com/Therm-a-rest-NeoAir-XLite-Regular-Marigold/dp/B00PZL14EK/). You can pair this with a GG Thinlight 1/8 foam pad ($18, 3oz) https://www.gossamergear.com/collections/sleeping-pads/products/thinlight-foam-pad, and then ditch sit pad and anything else. Between these two you have redundancy, a sit pad, and plenty of warmth value added to the quilt selections above. Another option that is coming in 2019Q1 is the Thermarest NeoAir Uberlite ($180, 8.8oz, rvalue 2.0, https://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer), which combined with the GG 1/8" pad would still have nice warmth, and come in at less than 12z total for 2 sleep pads (which also provides more versatility in future if you want to ditch one or the other at any given time).
   
3. Shelter system upgrade: there are a ton of options based on how much space you need, if you want a fully enclosed tent, a simple tarp setup, etc. Popular tent option with lots of space but still not much cost would be something like Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, at 31oz carried weight (2 person tent, $350 MSRP). Lighter but more expensive options can get you down under 20oz (like the ZPacks stuff, but be prepared to spend, and they are not as bombproof). Tarps can range from 5-19oz, depending on material, size, etc., but don't offer as much protection from bugs and weather.
   
4. Puffy options are all over the place. Most popular one here for weight to cost and happiness seems to be MH Ghost Whisperer. The hooded version rings in around 7.5-8.3oz depending on your size, and can often be found for $175-250 depending on colorway (MSRP $350, but they are always available cheaper year round if you price shop). That coat packs down to nothing in your bag and maintains decent resale value if you want to sell it later to grab something else.
   
5. For your clothing system, consider how much extra stuff you will often need if you just layer a few key items, and then you can trim down from there. That is why everyone will tell you to ditch X or Y from your packed clothing. Carry stuff that is multipurpose and works well layered together, and you don't need to carry much. The only duplicates that are worthwhile for most people are an extra pair of socks to rotate, and an extra pair of underwear to rotate if you're washing on the trail as you go. You can sub in something like a Patagonia Capilene Lightweight Long Sleeve ($50, 3.5oz, https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-capilene-lightweight-crew/45641.html), and then ditch the 2 extra shirts you're carrying, saving about a pound for example. That would allow you to have a shirt to rotate or sleep in, or layer up underneath your main shirt if colder (it also dries extremely fast if it gets wet).
   Those changes alone should drop you down to 3-4lbs before you do anything else to dial in setup more (like add in a small first aid kit with leukotape, ibuprofen, etc.), subtract camp shoes, possibly add trekking pole or two, etc.

I'm working on putting together an UL hammock kit myself.

I just finished sewing up my MYOG 1.1oz ripstop silpoly 6x9 tarp this week. My construction methods are a bit experimental, but with 25 tie outs it only weighs 10.5 ounces and I only have around $20 invested. Once I get a few uses I'll try to write a review.

I also picked up the Lixada Ultra-light Hammock for $20 from some third party seller on Walmart.com with free shipping. It is small, I think roughly 4 feet wide and only 8 feet long. I'm 5'7 and I was able to get comfortably diagonal in it and slept well all night though. If I was another inch or two taller I don't think it would be comfortable. With the included carabiners mine weighs in at just a hair under 7 ounces. One thing I worried about when I ordered it was fabric stretch, but it held my 215 pounds no problem all night long. For $20 I am happy, but for more than a night or two I would rather take my ENO and really have some wiggle room.

I use whoopie slings and short sections of an old thin (cheap) ratchet strap for my suspension. I need to weigh it, but it's only a few ounces for my setup. There are some guys selling kits on eBay that are super light, I think using dyneema webbing.

I have also made a Costco top quilt that I'm comfortable in down to about 45 degrees. I'm not happy with my Costco underquilt yet though. These are just under 16 ounces each. If it's going to be under 50 degrees I'll just bring my 20 degree down mummy bag that weighs two pounds and not deal with an underquilt at all. It keeps me warm in the hammock down to around 30-35 degrees by itself.

I hate researching power banks and chargers. I had decided on the Anker Powercore II 10K and Powerport Speed II but now I'm reconsidering.

Battery Packs: Anker Powercore II 10k(6.9oz) vs. Ravpower Slim 10k(6.8oz)

Ravpower is slightly lighter, and claimed charge time might be slightly faster at 3.5-4 hours compared to 4 hours on the anker. I also prefer the slim form factor.

Wall Chargers: Anker Powerport Speed II(4.6oz) vs. Aukey Dual Port Turbo Charger(4.09oz)

Aukey seems like an equally capable charger but half an ounce lighter.

I might be overthinking it, but the above Anker products are probably the most recommended around here so I want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Other suggestions are welcome to of course.

And while I'm here, anyone have a good source for short cables? Ideal would be in the 6"-12" range that support up to 18w. Need USB A to USB C, and USB A to Micro USB.

Does she hike much? If not, definitely do some day hikes with similar mileage and elevation gain to your planned trip so that she can make sure her sock and shoe combo works for her regarding blisters and such.

I feel like getting bad blisters could be a major bummer on a fairly long trip like that. Most other stuff can be conquered by a good attitude and snacks, but blisters on day 1 of 5 would be no fun.

You might find that either you reading a book written for beginners to remind yourself of what beginners need to know, or her reading one (depending on her preference) might help. Something like Allen and Mike's Really Cool Backpacking Book or Ultralight Backpackin' Tips or Long Trails by Liz Thomas might be a solid choice.

And of course, ask her if she has any concerns, what she's excited about, etc etc.

Regarding buying gear, don't forget that if you buy something used, and don't damage it, you can probably sell it for pretty much the same price you paid for it. So keep an eye out on /r/ulgeartrade and similar forums.

I've been doing A LOT of research over the past few months. I apply ultralight principles to my decision making, but also factor in quality of life and durability. I'm testing out different items (mostly clothing) on long day hikes in preparation for backpacking. Still collecting my gear. A lot of people will cringe at the below, but here are some things on sale that I picked up recently.

Altra Lone Peak 4 Trail-Running Shoes $89.99 (25% off) I hiked 10 miles yesterday never having worn zero-drop shoes before, these felt great despite that! Zero problems. I do hear a lot of durability issues...

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Long-Sleeve Shirt $40.99 (25% off)

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Plaid Long-Sleeve Shirt $44.99 (25% off)

Sawyer Squeeze Water Filter System for $29.89 (25% off) Darwin noted that the blue inline adapter can be used to back flush in the field. Place the sports cap of a clean water bottle against the blue inline adapter screwed to the Sawyer.

Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles $97.39 (25% off)

Native Eyewear Wells Polarized Sunglasses (gray lenses) $79.19 (20% off)

Buff CoolNet UV+ Multifunctional Headwear $17.99 (25% off)

Outdoor Research ActiveIce Spectrum Sun Gloves $18.69 (25% off)

Outdoor Research Sun Runner Cap $26.99 (25% off)

Patagonia Strider Pro Running Shorts - Men's 5" Inseam $48.29 (30% off)

Patagonia Nine Trails Shorts - Men's 8" Inseam $45.49 (30% off)

REI Co-op Multi Towel Lite (small) $6.89 (30% off)

Helinox Chair Zero $89.89 (25% off) Burn me at the stake, I know.

I also picked up some GOOD TO-GO, Backpackers Pantry and AlpineAir meals to try out. These are all 20% off.

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I also found some items on sale at CampSaver, but found similar deals on other sites:

Sea to Summit Mosquito Head Net - Insect Shield $9.71 (25% off)

MSR Ground Hog Stakes $2.21 (25% off) 3 for Zpacks Duplex vestibules (only 2 required).

MSR Mini Ground Hog Stakes $1.88 (25% off) 7 for Zpacks Duplex tent body and guy lines (only 6 required).

Thermarest NeoAir XTherm Sleeping Pad (large) $179.96 (25% off) Yes, this is 8 ounces heavier than a regular XLite.

Evernew Titanium Ul Stacking Set $53.19 (~20% off) This is an outlet item and I used the SVSP2020 promo coupon code. I chose these pots because I want a stacking set, plus it will fit my Soto WindMaster stove.

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The Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad (regular) is $118.95 (30% off) at these sites:

Backcountry Edge

Backcountry

Amazon

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Edit: Corrected a misspelling and explained how the Sawyer inline adapter can be used to back flush.

hey /u/psychojunglecat3 , /u/vv0rm , and /u/kananjarrus

i got a response from anker...

First of all, let me thank you for your great support to Anker products. To your requirement, we would recommend below wall charger model for you, and you could use the blue QC port to recharge our PowerCore II 10000, and you will still have other 3 Power IQ port to charge your other devices:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charge-Charger-PowerPort-PowerIQ/dp/B01N2HIR9R/ref=sr_1_11?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1495091165&sr=1-11&keywords=Anker+wall+charger

If two output ports are enough for your needs, you may also consider below model:

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Charge-Charger-PowerPort-PowerIQ/dp/B01IUSYF8G/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1495091165&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=Anker+wall+charger&psc=1

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any further concerns. Thank you!*

A lot of people here use the one pot system. I personally find that a little to minimalist and have a little kit I've put together over the past couple years. Mostly its just a really light weight pot, I recently got this as my main pot. Its really great because it holds quite a bit of water (I personally don't ever carry anything that holds less than a liter) has a built in strainer (make the holes bigger with a screwdriver) and is super light and cheap. Inside I put a really light plastic mug/bowl I got from my old "kettleist" cookset, a 2"x2" sponge, a 4"x3" piece of microfiber towel, my plastic collapsible spork, my stove and fuel canister, and a lighter. I really like this setup because it gives me so many option as far as cooking and drinking, makes cleanup a breeze, and is super lightweight and compact. Eventually I'm going to make a pot cozy for the main pot too, which will really help as well. A lot of people here might criticize me for the luxury of this but honestly, its really great and worth it in my opinion. It also really opens up food options because I can cook in something besides a plastic bag, which I've done plenty of and really don't enjoy.

I'm 6'5 and went with this, for under $55:

https://www.amazon.com/River-Country-Products-Ultralight-Backpacking/dp/B07537XGKQ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=river+country+products&qid=1555882270&s=gateway&sr=8-3

Comparable in weight to the TarpTent Rainbow.

Note that it does not have poles, and requires either trekking poles, sticks, or convenient trees + cordage in order to pitch it. But that's true about tarp/bivy setups too. (You could always just pick up some collapsible tent poles from REI or somewhere, too, if you're not a trekking pole guy).

Their 2.0 version is basically the same price, and provides better ventilation, at the expense of a few ounces of weight:

https://www.amazon.com/River-Country-Products-Ultralight-Backpacking/dp/B07537XGKQ/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=river+country+products&qid=1555882270&s=gateway&sr=8-3

Check out reviews for both, overwhelmingly positive. Great for the price.

Edit: One thing I'd like to add that I like about it are the vertical sides where your head is. I don't care for dome tents because they usually slope over your face, which can feel claustrophobic. Especially when it rains, because that pitter patter of rain happens inches from your face. Much prefer 'pup tent'/A-frame setups to dome style tents.

Thanks for the feedbacks.

I'm a warm sleeper, actually didn't really wear my baselayer so far, that is why I like to have a liner but I guess I could go without ^^

Tried polycryo, didn't like it but, I could get a new tyvek and cut it for 1person (I'm using the one sized for my 2 person tent right now).

My bad, second buff will be in my "winter gear list", I removed it.

For the FAK, I know, I'm carrying too much, I'll have a look at it, it's just generally I like to start with more because I know I'll use some second skins and tape during the first couple of weeks ^^

Yes, I carryied a heavy wall charger last year thinking it will help me saving time in town by charging everything at once (camera, phone, power bank, mp3, kindle) but at the end, I could probably go with something like this: link

For the rest, I'll think on it but, it's nice to know where to look first :)

Hello again! Well, to start- if you replace your pack and cover with a 17oz KS50, your base weight will be 12.71lb

Some small things that can add up to 24.93oz for a BW of 11.15lb:

• Replace both dry bags with a single .91oz pack liner - 1.19oz cut
  
  
• Get rid of the gallon trash ziplock and use leftover food zip locks for trash - .3oz cut
  
  
• Is the tyvek for cowboy camping? Replace with polycro - 1.3oz cut
  
  
• Replace headlamp with Olight w/ spare AAA - 4.54oz cut
  
  
• Dehydrate your wet wipes, just add water when needed - 2.3oz cut
  
  
• Leave wool base layer tops and bottoms if it's 40-80F - 12oz cut
  
  
• Leave extra underwear - 2.1oz cut
  
  
• Replace the cup with a Campbell's Soup on the Go cup - 1.2oz cut
  
  If you wanted to try no-cook, that could save you about 13.6oz for a total BW of 10.3lb
  
  You might want to try light trailrunners instead of boots. Even though they're not weight carried on your shoulders, you're lifting that weight every time you take a step. "1lb on your foot equals 5lb on your back" as they say...
  
  If you're able to upgrade your quilts to something lighter, you could probably save a lot of weight that way too. I'm not as familiar with hammocking but EE makes really light quilts.
  
  Hope that helps!
  
  Edit: You might want to consider the Nitecore Thumb instead of an Olight. It weighs the same but has a usb rechargeable battery and better features.
  
  Edit 2: The EE Revolt underquilt could shave 8.3oz from your BW and an EE Revelation could cut another 4.28oz. Expensive investment per ounce but something to maybe consider down the road. And if you ever want to consider ground sleeping, you could save a lot of weight by only using a light pad and 1 quilt.

Focusing on bang for buck:

• Save yourself 4.5 oz with nylofume liner bags instead of the stuff sack. $2.50.
  
  
• Save 4 oz. (ish) by replacing the Tyvek footprint with one made from 0.7 mil window film. $4. The tent itself is heavy, but if you're digging it, no sweat.
  
  
• A pound and a half of weight savings could be had by going to a quilt. If you go this way, there are a lot worse than the Hammock Gear Economy Burrow -- you'll want a wide. $180 for a 30 degree (a bit of rating buffer is nice).
  
  
• 7 oz. Replace those soccer pants with some dance pants. $17.95.
  
  
• 12 oz.-ish. I'd dump outright the cotton long sleeve and sweater in exchange for a thrift store fleece. If your current sleeping bag is only good down to 40, you're probably not in cold enough temps where a puffy jacket becomes more important. $10.
  
  
• 1 pound. Replace those pots and mugs and the like with IMUSA grease pots. The 0.7 quart (10 cm) and the 1.25 quart (12 cm) are probably going to be the best options. I'm spitballing the weight savings here, because I really think you can make do with less -- most of us roll with one pot/mug total, for everything. Try lids made out of tinfoil or a disposable aluminum pie tin. $10.
  
  
• 4 oz. Replace that water bottle with a Smartwater bottle. $2.
  
  
• 2 oz. Nitecore NU25 headlamp exists, but at $25, it's not the cheapest suggestion here.
  
  
• 2 oz. First aid kit --just dig in and throw away redundant items. Focus on getting rid of any liquids or goops in there. Repackage into a sandwich-size Ziploc.
  
  
• 6 oz. Dump the paracord. If you're using it for bear bagging, you might try some lightweight nylon string instead, which will usually weigh an oz for 50 feet. 1.75 mm Zing-It is a go to, but I've also just used light nylon utility string from the hardware store, without problems. $5 if you go with the cheap stuff.
  
  
• 4 oz. Repackage that sunscreen! You probably only need an ounce, max, for most trips. An old prescription bottle can work nicely for this, as can one of those 5-Hour Energy bottles. $2.
  
  In total, I get 85 oz. (or 5.3 pounds!) weight savings for a total cost of around $250, or you can do 3.8 pounds for $70 (no new quilt) or even 3.7 pounds for $45 (scratch the headlamp suggestion).

I just purchased one of these little guys for $5 at a Sportsman's Warehouse in WY last week.

I tried two of the Coghlan's tablets (2@7g=14g) and it just made it to boiling. Haven't tried esbit yet, it may be worth the higher price.

I tried 14g of alcohol in a few of my diy stoves and they didn't even come close to a boil.

To me, that says solid is the UL choice.

This little stove is pretty amazing, yet simple. It's folding arms hold my 700ml Ti cup rock solid and the distance from the burner to the cup is perfect. At $5 and 14g, plus 14g/boil you can't go wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C?pc_redir=1397188849&robot_redir=1

A tarp and net tent sounds like the ticket as far as space and price. A 10 x 10 would offer awesome coverage, even for splash on harder surfaces. You could have somebody like Jared at Simply Light Designs sew up a Silpoly for a reasonable price (probably less than $150). Then add a net tent. The one from Paria is a little heavy but pretty cheap

Paria Outdoor Products Breeze Mesh Tent - Ultralight 2 Person Mesh Tent Shelter - Perfect for Camping, Backpacking and Thru-Hikes https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NA9BU4Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_kx3HDb9A9002K

I had back surgery a number of years ago and have the same problem. If you get an expensive UL pack and it's not comfortable, I don't know if they'll let you return it.

This is what I'm experimenting with; find a cheap frameless or minimal framed pack to test out first. If it doesn't work, you haven't invested a car payment into it.

I just found this one on Amazon that looks like a good candidate:

GoBackTrail Roll Top Black Backpack - Ultralight 25L - 40L with Removable Internal Frame – Always The Right Size - Water Resistant – Comfortable for Men and Women When Walking, Trekking and Hiking https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MDRECDU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_00kWCbRDT8SRH

It's only $54.97, weighs 2.5 lbs (not too bad), and has the option to remove the frame sheet. This won't be your forever pack, but it might help you determine what to go for in a UL pack. Think training wheels.

FYI, I picked up a $100, sub 2 lb, frameless pack from Amazon that I'm trying out. One problem I've discovered right off is that the padding in the shoulder straps and hip belt are too thin for me. This can also be a problem with the expensive UL packs. I need a good support frame too.

The HammockGear Econ Burrow is probably the best bang for the buck quilt available coming in at around $150 for a 30°.

Personally I use a WindHard Quilt (aka the AegisMax quilt) and love it, but I bought mine for $82 before the price went up. The sewn-through baffles can get cold, so you'll want something to cut the wind (either a bivy, tent, or rain/wind gear inside the quilt). I've used it down to freezing while wearing my insulating layers.

Alternatively the Massdrop Pine Down blanket seems like an interesting new option, but it's definitely the coldest of the three.

A few observations!

You could drop 3-ish oz by switching your headlamp to the Nitecore 20/25 with the UL kit. You have a powerbank with you, so why carry something that uses disposables?

Switch from AirPods to the included Earpods to shave 1.3oz, although cords do suck a whole bunch.

Speaking of cords, you're not counting your charging cable. :-P Since you haven't bought the Anker 10k, you could take a look at the Jackery Bolt 6000mah. Lightning and micro USB cables included, only 5.3oz, but obviously less charging power. So, if you are out for week+ treks might not work for you. But for 3, 4, 5 day trips? Would probably be more than enough. I own this and it's been working awesome. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A6L85CC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

13.1 oz for fuel? Unless you're going out for more than 3-4 days at a time and boil multiple cups with every meal, I doubt you'd need more than a 4oz can, dropping it to like 7.3oz total. (You're also counting your ENTIRE 13.1 oz as consumable, which the can itself isn't....)

Take your ass pad, it's worth the weight. If you don't want the one you have, buy the smaller and lighter one from LiteSmith. https://www.litesmith.com/folding-sit-pad/

Window film or food wrap or shrink wrap like the Duck Brand found cheaply at Wally World also comes in different thickness(mils). When more concerned about punctures or tears and stress pts like when making polycro bathtub floors I receive better durability with Duck Max at 1.5 mils(150 gauge) which is more than twice the thickness of the .7 mils(70 gauge) Duck brand product you've linked. https://www.amazon.com/Duck-Strength-Insulating-120-Inch-284352/dp/B015PY2BTS

Painters plastic in .7 or 1.5 mils in the same comparative polycro wt doesn't have the same shrink potential. I've stored painter's plastic in my car trunk no big issue. With either .7, .75, 1.0 or 1.5 poly it can shrink up into a hard ball with heat. It 's why it's alternatively called shrink wrap and the Duck Brand box pictures shows someone with a heat gun attaching it taut to a window.

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IMHO, the lightest wt polycro is a darling of the UL and SUL crowd which I am part so that factors into my decision to use it over painter's plastic. I tend to buy from GG, MLD, and other UL cottage venders that offer it so I buy at the same time as other gear although, as said, Duck Brand is found in cheaply IMO every Wally World I've looked.

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As far as GG polycro it is also offered in two different thickness .75 mils(75 gauge) and 1.0 mil(100 gauge). Others such as MLD also offer polycro. Ron at MLD has stated his poly offering is food grade so don't know if that chemically makes a personal difference. At $8 -$9.95 for up to two polycro ground sheets I personally don't find that all expensive compared to large rolls of painters plastic when only using for backpacking.

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Obviously when making performance claims on durability one has to compare oranges to oranges ie; compare the same thicknesses of poly and painter's plastic as Friggin monkey said.

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What may be a personal consideration is the lighter the wt of either painter's plastic or polycro the more it tends to blow around. Also, it tends to tear uncontrollably in the lightest wts(thicknesses) if not immediately addressed with duct tape repairs. Neither is a ripstop material. Consequently, at some pt if not totally replacing, as in DCF ground cloths, the duct tape added wt can easily result in greater wt and bulk and additionally adhesive hassles unfolding and sticking to other gear....so....It's also quite slippery so don't use it to cowboy camp on an incline.

https://www.amazon.com/Imusa-Aluminum-Grease-Dipsenser-Quart/dp/B0018EA048
This fits my alcohol set up (stove, windscreen, pot lifter, fuel, etc) well, and the handle is easy to get rid of. Super cheap, tough, big enough for two. My mug is a 500ml SS cheapie, way heavy, definitely looking to replace.

I'm not sure. They're sized pretty perfectly for me at size 11 US i.e no unnecessary additional space. They may be a little small on you. You could always gift them though perhaps if they don't fit. Or amazon sells them to make them easier to return if needed.

And the best place to buy them? Amazon under clear window sheeting such as

Duck Brand Indoor Extra Large Window/Patio Door Shrink Film Kit, 84” x 120”

for only $3 !!!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NHW2Z6/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_gCshDbC3DCPC2

I’ve been using this one and like it a lot. Not having to carry cables is super nice. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01A6L85CC/

Mine comes in at 163g

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NHW2Z6/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all

The duck kits are $3.17 on amazon like new as an add-on, and $3.52 free pickup at a Walmart near you. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Duck-Brand-Shrink-Film-Window-Kit-for-Extra-Large-Windows-or-Patio-Doors/15077940 Can make 3 40x84" from those.

oops. silly me :p didn't mean to imply that uk citizens could get these, just wanted to compare prices/give links for people in USA. for someone who is ok with a 6 foot length, UK has $2 kits: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Insulation-Heating-Draught-Excluder-Shopmonk/dp/B00NVI3DV6/ref=sr_1_2?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1504637204&sr=1-2&keywords=window+insulation+kit

Anyone have any experiences with the Trekker Tent2 on amazon? At 62" wide and 44oz, it's as large as some advertised 3p tents and pretty darn cheap. Design seems fine, and at $44 it is by miles the cheaper enclosed single wall option. Could be an interesting 2p shoestring option.

Get a $5 Imusa mug and a taco bell spork and call it good.

I've used this setup for years and it's perfect. Granted all of my meals are just the boil water and add instant rice/.dehydrated meals.

I just ordered a knock off on Amazon. The Paria net tent with bathtub floor. ~21oz. I'll report on it after I get it on Wednesday. I like buying cheap stuff first to see if I like it before dropping coin on nice stuff.

Only used them once so far, but these down booties are a pretty stellar value: https://www.amazon.com/AEGISMAX-Booties-Slippers-Filled-Slipper/dp/B07573SX9Y/

Looks like they are available now in Amazon as well. If you are looking for affordable cool weather socks and hood then not a bad option. Prime shipping should get you these for thanksgiving. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07573SX9Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1510678637&sr=8-10&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=AEGISMAX

Woof, not a lot of good options on Amazon, it seems this [Windhard] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZZ5B4GD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_sd0DzbVT6XEE1) might be the best option. Could you sell the gift on Raise or something of the sort and buy an HG or EE?

I have only used Tyvek as a groundsheet, but will be switching this year to save weight.

Dude made a polycro tarp out of window film.

The Heavy Duty Duck Brand seems to be have its share of fans.

More discussion from BPL

Tarp:

Option 1: https://www.amazon.com/Sanctuary-SilTarp-Ultralight-Waterproof-Backpacking/dp/B06XJ7322N/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1538600945&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=ul%2Btarp&th=1&psc=1

Option 2 (more durable): https://www.amazon.com/DD-Tarp-3m-Olive-Green/dp/B005FPN7GE/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601289&sr=1-3&keywords=dd+tarp

Bug net: https://www.amazon.com/Breeze-Mesh-Tent-Ultralight-Backpacking/dp/B01NA9BU4Q/ref=pd_bxgy_468_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01NA9BU4Q&pd_rd_r=a541965e-c750-11e8-83ba-35492fd40af5&pd_rd_w=5VWOY&pd_rd_wg=3uCes&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3f9889ac-6c45-46e8-b515-3af650557207&pf_rd_r=X7JJ3Y8J81XVAAR36D9Y&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=X7JJ3Y8J81XVAAR36D9Y

Quilt: http://www.hammockgear.com/burrow-econ-40/ (get a warmer one if you need it)

Sleeping pad: https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Original-Ultralight-Camping/dp/B00453NA1E/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601159&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=thermarest+zlite+sol&psc=1

You will need trekking poles for the tarp/tent or save a few bucks and find a couple of sticks when you get there!

Trekking poles: https://www.amazon.com/BAFX-Products-Hiking-Walking-Trekking/dp/B007YT854S/ref=sr_1_3_acs_ac_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1538601222&sr=1-3-acs&keywords=trekking+poles

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Pack: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-granite-gear-crown-x60

Thanks for contacting them.

I feel like it's worth noting, to get the quick charge input, you do need to use their QC input adapter. Assuming one would want a two port charger, Amazon has the QC 3.0 two port listed at 4.6 oz.

The older 10k (6.2oz) will charge a bit faster, in my experience, with my 2.4ax2 port (3oz) at around 6 hours. That is about the same listed on the newer 10k's amazon page of 5hr 40m with a 2a charger.

Assuming that the 4.6oz is accurate, there is a 2.6oz difference total for a savings of 2 hours if the 4hr charge time holds true as well. Still significant time savings but at a price.

I believe this is the wrap he is referring to. Is that the one that is 40$ for you?

Polycro is objectively more fragile than Tyvek. It It really a matter of opinion regarding its weight-to-function ratio.
Pros:

• MUCH lighter
  
  
• More packable
  
  
• Cheap (maybe not quite as cheap as Tyvek)
  
  
• Easily resizable
  
  Cons:
  
  
• So light that the wind bitch-slaps it around
  
  
• More fragile, but will/can last a thru hike with care
  
  
• Slightly less available than Tyvek.
  
  
  I used Tyvek for the PCT because it was more reliable to continuously cowboy camp on. It kept my Xlite from ever popping, but that's not to say that polycro would have done the same!
  
  YMMV

Okay, I got this.

G4Free 40L backpack - $18.99


Paria Sanctuary Sil Tarp - $79.99


Polycro ground sheet - $7.98


Sleep pad - $16.79


Down throw - $31.95


Ultralight, summer set up straight from Amazon for about $150.


edit: oops, you said no tarp. You could add the bug net for $65 and be at ~210 for an ultralight, modular set up. Could also subtract the polycro sheet and save a few bucks if you buy the inner net.

Can someone tell me the difference between these 3 10,000mAh Anker external batteries? One
Two
Three

I don't know the difference between Quick Charge 3.0;PowerIQ, PowerIQ, and PowerIQ II.

This is the wall charger I have. Which one of those external batteries will work best with my wall charger??

If you have time to wait try camelcamelcamel.com . I was able to create an alert when the xlite dropped below a certain price on amazon and I was able to buy it for $99 last month.

• ($160) MLD Monk Tarp in DCF + ground sheet (assuming you use trekking poles, and assuming on your duo trips your partner has their own shelter
  
• ($410) Katabatic Palisade
  
• ($160 when in stock) Gossamer Gear Kumo
  
  These are my suggestions. This is an awesome setup and will save you some change for other gear when you realize that you need it!
  
  Could dump more money into a larger tarp or other shelter if you need to provide shelter for you and a partner.

I have this one (amazon Canada, but you probably can find it as well on US site). It supports fast charge input, about ~3.5 hours to charge from 0 to 100% for 10 000 milliamp. Weight is 6.77oz on my scale.

I'll go ahead and do the math for you.

Toaks 550 pot $30: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-550ml-Pot/dp/B00CYA26BU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-1&keywords=toaks+550

Esbit stove $13.91: http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Ultralight-Folding-Titanium-Tablets/dp/B002AQET2C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1421708767&sr=8-2&keywords=toaks+550

Toaks spork $11: http://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-Titanium-Folding-Spork/dp/B00GLD8SYA/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1421708837&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=toaks+spork

Toaks windscreen $10.95: http://toaksoutdoor.com/windscreen.aspx

GRAND TOTAL WITHOUT SHIPPING: $65.86

SAVINGS: $65.86 - $48.99 = $16.87

Now let me ask you this. Would you be willing to light $16.87 on fire? If not, you do see the value here.

Anyone here wanna share some links or info on the material they use? I have used ducks brand window insulation that seemed alright, but I'd like to get some other input. I think I used this. Made a large tarp tent using a very basic rectangular shape. I left it out in the sun to preshrink it so it wouldn't shrink out in the field.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002AQET2C/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1511804627&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=esbit+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41iUVhh2HwL&ref=plSrch

I use one of these and love it.

Is this still the best USB charger for us folk? https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B013US9FFY/

Thoughts on the esbit stove? I see it on a lot of the extreme light base weight lighterpacks.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Was $15 yesterday, weighs 0.4oz and the fuel cubes weigh 0.5oz and are also useful for fire starting. Cubes last ~12 minutes. "One tablet boils 500 ml of water in about 8 minutes "

The MRS small size gas canisters are like 7.5oz.. so this is a considerable drop in weight and space in the pack for shorter trips. Also, seems like fewer parts to break.

Negatives would be.. Im thinking you cant put a cube out once started.. cant adjust flame.

Haven't personally tried it but I've heard good things about this: http://www.amazon.com/Stanco-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer-Black/dp/B000MVTIOQ

I actually decided to look at the alternative budget list from the wiki and went with this pack. It's crazy cheap, but I don't expect it to last as long as expensive ones, and if I don't like it the SO gets it. And if i do then win for me. With that pack it puts me at 16lbs. Since it's only a 2.5lb pack.

NeoAir Xlite is extremely popular and on sale right now over at amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1521837547&sr=1-1&keywords=NeoAir+XLite

I have this $100 40F windhard quilt, it's kinda fragile but overall nice.

I'm a motorcyclist - and that's one of the things that drove me toward the ultracompact side of ultralight. I'd suggest 1.5mil Polycryo footprint which is double the thickness of usual 0.75mil stuff, and a NeoAir ground pad inflated with the trash bag method which I find quick and easy (and use a much smaller/lighter trash bag than the video).

Have you tried the breathable SOL bivy? I have heard good things about these. https://www.amazon.com/L-Survive-Outdoors-Longer-Water-Resistant/dp/B00EZEPCB4/ref=pd_sbs_468_2/133-2881177-5943957?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00EZEPCB4&pd_rd_r=91725c64-6136-11e9-a56a-39d659a90f68&pd_rd_w=HLq63&pd_rd_wg=kKEd2&pf_rd_p=763ccc93-bfa2-47be-85ae-0cdd7e00b3da&pf_rd_r=SPXKHERDDGNWHFAGDSKV&refRID=SPXKHERDDGNWHFAGDSKV&th=1

Cool, maybe followup and lemme know how it goes. I bought mine in a pack on Amazon for $10: http://www.amazon.com/Duck-281065-Indoor-Window--120-Inch/dp/B000NHW2Z6/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410985768&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=polycryo+ground

To answer the obvious first question: Yes, I'd take it out again.

Pack list

Tarp

I don't use it for hiking necessarily, but it could work well for your needs especially if you have an iphone...

https://smile.amazon.com/Jackery-Bolt-Portable-Charger-Built/dp/B01A6L85CC/

That's a good lookin' list, friend. You're gonna be light! It's a similar style to mine, so I hope you find this stuff useful:

1. Minor nitpick: you have 8 stakes and the price is $28 dollars EACH, which is messing up your total price in that category. Do $28/8 for the price.
   
   
2. I'll be interested to see if the single sitpad will give you enough rigidity under heavy water/food carries. You might find the pad will buckle under higher load, which will be mildly annoying.
   
   
3. You might want an additional top layer for the Sierra. I had a very similar setup in 2015 (MB down jacket + Palisade + windshirt) and I added a wool long sleeve for the Sierra, mostly for sleeping. It was worth it.
   
   
4. I know QC is all the rage, but I hate how large/heavy the wall adapters are that support it. I used a regular ol' dual port USB charger. I didn't really feel negatively impacted by not having QC, even when I wanted to get in and out of town fast. That charger weighs 47g.
   
5. I don't think you've accounted for your money, permit(s), ID.
   
6. Really splitting hairs, but I include sunscreen, toothpaste, and hand sanitizer in my base weight. Technically they are consumable, but they aren't consumed fast enough IMO to be ignored since you probably won't need to refill them each town.

I'm new to the grease pot concept. Is it something like this :

https://www.amazon.com/Imusa-Aluminum-Grease-Dipsenser-Quart/dp/B0018EA048

Like I said above... The Anker Powercore II 10000

FYI to all, the regular NeoAir Xlite is on Amazon for $119 right now. This is within four dollars of the lowest price Amazon has sold it for within the past eight months.

This guy took his 0 degree bag and added this $50, 8 oz SOL bivy to it and it kept him warm enough at -3C that he had to take his clothes off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxeGddKNRo

Bivy in question

This bag seems popular for summer-weight at $105 weighing in at 16oz. It's a imported from China, so expect a bit of a wait (~2 weeks) for delivery. It's a low-end Enlightened Equipment Revelation knock-off - but with sewn-through baffles (ie: it's cheap).

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B06ZZ5B4GD/

edit: Reading comprehension on Monday is not good. Just saw the -7C requirement. This is not your bag.

Agreed. Lots of folks use polycro as an ultralight ground sheet, which is cheap because it's also used for window shrink film insulation

No. I've been using this pot over the flames of my Whisperlite twice a day for months and it's a total champ

http://www.amazon.com/Stanco-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer-Black/dp/B000MVTIOQ

Here's the Amazon link to the book.

Here it is on Amazon. I've been using one for years with a cat stove and aluminum foil windscreen. Total cost less than $10 and UL.

https://www.amazon.com/Stanco-GS1200-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer/dp/B000MVTIOQ

Amazon or any hardware store where it gets cold. They sell it as window insulation.
Duck Brand Indoor Extra Large Window/Patio Door Shrink Film Kit, 84-Inch x 120-Inch, 282450 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NHW2Z6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_g1grDbJX90TN1

Neoair xlite deal on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_qoZbBbHB6HPKC

Just noticed that the NeoAir’s price dropped $50 recently on Amazon. https://camelcamelcamel.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/product/B00PZL14EK

Yes, 72" X 60" seems short for a ground cloth. Also, I think polycro comes in different thicknesses so make sure to get something appropriate. I've been using this stuff, .7 mil and 120" X 84" allows me to cut it into 2 1P groundsheets.

the ground sheet you saw in the tarp video is polycro. lightweight and pretty tough. You can buy it as a window insulation kit like this on the cheap and cut to size. It should be in 1-2oz range. Tyvek is the other option at 4-5oz

Polycryo is allegedly from the materials original usage as a window film insulation.

The second page of that thread suggests that Gossamer Gear made up the word.

However, there is no registration of either "polycro" nor "polycryo" in the USPTO Trademark System, which would indicate to me that it's a generic term for the material.

I also can't find any description of what specific material 3M or Duck uses.

That is one and is very similar!

I am talking about this one though: https://www.amazon.com/Stanco-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer-Black/dp/B000MVTIOQ/ref=pd_bxgy_79_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000MVTIOQ&pd_rd_r=AT2XE5G2MTQ6PBXB800J&pd_rd_w=BOOJu&pd_rd_wg=cHF91&psc=1&refRID=AT2XE5G2MTQ6PBXB800J

http://www.amazon.com/Stanco-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer-Black/dp/B000MVTIOQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458849793&sr=8-1&keywords=grease+pot

I just bought this one, which is advertised as 1.5 mil, but received the 0.7 mil instead. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NHW2Z6?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

I'd go with 1.5mil PolyCro instead of 0.7mil most people use. It is, of course, twice the weight of the thinner PolyCro but still half of the weight of tyvek. At $3 a sheet (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NHW2Z6/), you can make at least two (and possible up to 4 depending on the width you need). Just replace periodically.

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Polycro sheet $6

I use the stuff sack my toaks pot came with, so the residue is contained.

This is the one I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My stove is only .4 oz (11.5g)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AQET2C?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s01

Looks VERY similar, no? That one costs half as much as yours.

Also, this one weighs 11.5 grams and costs 1/4 as much as yours.

I got this idea from this sub. Instead of using a tent footprint, tyvek, or buying "polycro" I use window insulation for my ground sheet.

http://www.amazon.com/Duck-281506-10-Window-Insulator-420-Inch/dp/B002GKC2GW?ie=UTF8&keywords=window%20insulation&qid=1463877275&ref_=sr_1_1&s=hi&sr=1-1

https://www.amazon.com/Duck-281506-10-Window-Insulator-420-Inch/dp/B002GKC2GW/ref=pd_bxgy_60_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KJY86ZGGHEZY6GQ5Y1Y7

Check this out, I am in Aus. and if I was to buy some it would be this.

Here you go

Edit: just changed the link since the 10 window is twice as much and a buck cheaper

https://www.amazon.com/Breeze-Mesh-Tent/dp/B01NA9BU4Q/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_rvw_txt?ie=UTF8

I used this one and cut it down. Note that it's thicker than most others, but my 81*47/39 is 2.8 oz and sturdy. 1.5 mil is 1.5 thousandths of an inch.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PY2BTS

This. And they're on Amazon for the lazy (cheaper at Kmart) https://www.amazon.com/Stanco-Non-Stick-Grease-Strainer-Black/dp/B000MVTIOQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467355948&sr=8-1&keywords=stanco+grease+pot

Nitecore Thumb 85 running on low with a string attached to hang from the tent. .9 oz

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KP7M8ZM/ref=sxts_bia_sr_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=3182441022&pd_rd_wg=EvidS&pf_rd_r=SPCEM19NXBFXBP1EMRPF&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pd_rd_i=B01KP7M8ZM&pd_rd_w=Qr6iy&pf_rd_i=nitecore&pd_rd_r=1BVYKAQ6NJS0CCEGYSK0&ie=UTF8&qid=1505081204&sr=1

Amazon is having a sale on the ThermaRest XLite right now.

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527198732&sr=1-1&keywords=thermarest+xlite


Depending on your level of UL ness, you could get Reg or Even Small. Width is a concern for the Small given it is built for women, but it is possible to buy a Reg or XLong and then cut and seal it down to torso length and sleep with your feet on your pack. That's really counting grams though which you can always do later. If you are an average sized guy I'd say go with Reg sizing.

If you're willing to go stoveless you could switch to a cold Soak jar and drop ~8oz

Instead of mittens I got some Merino wool liners and if I get too cold I through some extra socks over them. Not huge savings but 0.4oz less

I use this charging block and it comes in at only 1.2 oz

That's all I got for you. I'm stoveless and my baseweight comes in at 11.75 ounces so you've already got me beat 😅

A link for the lazy. $5 for a 7x10 (patio door size) sheet.

Last year I bought an Anker 10,000mAh battery bank worked for about 3 charges on my S7 with ageing battery, today I get maybe 2 charges on a Note9. I was able to get a good 10+ days total usage out of my phone with recharges as needed. Make sure to turn on airplane mode and battery saver mode, turn off bluetooth, wifi, NFC, unused applications, etc , and keep the phone switched off at night. I was using my phone frequently to take pictures, or check GPS but not much else. Obviously YMMV

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Also bought these adaptors last month to charge my new USB-C phone

Which footprint option would you use for the 1p tartptent notch? I believe the actual bathtub is around 34" wide x 8-9 feet.

I have this 84" x 120" window polycro that I bought intending to use for a 2p tent, and could probably cut it in two, but might want something more durable for car camping.

I realize it doesn't -need it-, but I'm trying to avoid getting mud on the bottom of my tent so I can keep the time cleaning it down.