(Part 2) Best products from r/Warthunder

If you'd like to know more about german planes, I highly recommend Wings of the Luftwaffe by Eric Brown. I'm german and I find this book to be the best source on the topic; it's also well written :)

I got an interesting book on this a while back.

It goes over some of the reasons they intercepted the Hog Wild, such as assuming that the B-29 was on a photo mission over Korea and possibly could gain intelligence on the Japanese nuclear program (which may be the reason the Soviets got the bomb so quickly).

WT 2018 has lots more vehicles and modes with the same broken repetitive gameplay and worse grind.

That's not meant to discourage you from playing again as it can still be a lot of fun playing WT with friends on Discord.

You probably chose to leave for good reasons though so maybe you can merge the good mental/physical health parts of riding and gaming/socializing by combining the two?

Maybe get something like this and stream while you ride and play indoors? Or just ride indoors and chat online? Or grab a bike riding game like this?

IDK... just throwing ideas out there!

I can heartily recommend this book, "Nanette", written by a guy who flew a P-39 in the Pacific. It is a wonderful read, and he anthropomorphizes his P-39 in a way I am sure most or all of this sub's readership could understand


By the way, while googling for the book, I got this related return as well.

That Pacific Wrecks site is quite an amazing site, I keep seeing it get referenced in various places, and no wonder.

Your title:

> How Gaijin has made it almost impossible to verify the Javelin, or anything else for that matter.

What do you think this implies? Because to me, within the context of your endless spergfests, this is claiming in a roundabout way that Gaijin intentionally creates flight models that are "impossible" to verify on purpose, which simply isn't the case.

Passages within the post:

> But when it comes down to the nitty gritty, most values that are crucial to determining how an aircraft performs are hidden behind values that bear no relation to the real world.

This illustrates my point that FM code values aren't a 1:1 representation of what you see in a datasheet.

> But it's frustrating as you cannot just get out a calculator and verify, using available formulas, and all that other junk if the flight model is performing accurate to the input data (Which as far as length/wingspan is concerned is correct).

Again, verifying what I've said.

> So, I've been in and had a look. And I am still suspicious as hell, but I have to concede that at the moment without knowing exactly what all of these values relate to and exactly how they are used within the game engine, I have to begrudgingly take gaijin's word that they just input the data and didn't do any sort of fiddling with values to create a different outcome.

The only reasonable portion of your post, which anyone with a functional brain (i.e. not you) could have deduced without the need for a shitpost.

> So now it unfortunately has to be focused on Gaijin using the pilot manual and the "That's not an accurate representation, it's just government meddling!" that comes with it.

Yes, everyone who has been bug reporting the Javelin and discussing the FM in the aircraft/bug report threads has already arrived at the conclusion (with admittance from tech mods and therefore devs) that the reason the Javelin is gimped is because Gaijin is following the extremely restrictive manual to a T. The reasons behind this will be explained in a post I'm currently writing and acquiring sources for. You know, a quality post based on actual sources and documentation rather than a shitpost based on facts I've pulled out of my ass.

> As a cheap parting shot I went through the wing area calculations and it came up to 85.98. Not the 86m2 that you can find on the internet......Hold on..... That area of "Elevator" looks a bit strange.... 2.5 it says. And the "Stabilizer" is 6.5.

So your proof for a particular aspect of the FM is a parameter that has a 0.02% error (according to your own calculations) compared to the true value of 86 sq. meters...lol

FWIW, the datasheet lists the correct, "true" value that is also verified by the manual and the best available secondary source. For all intents and purposes, 85.98 m^2 is the same thing as 86 m^2 total wing area. Which leads me to my next point...

> CONCLUSION: The lack of an all flying tail is legit in the flight model. Forget what I said earlier about having to accept gaijin not fiddling with numbers to gimp the Javelin......

No dear Hasperg, an insignificant difference in total wing area is not proof that the lack of an AFT extends beyond the visual model... Elevator powerloss is the defining metric (among others) that'd tell you if the AFT is correctly modeled. But again, since you cannot compare the raw powerloss value to IRL documentation for reasons I've explained before, even looking at that parameter in isolation is tenuous at best.

Note that I'm not saying the elevator performance of the Javelin is necessarily correct, I'm just waiting to acquire performance data for the FAW.9 so I can correctly test it against the in-game performance.

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So as shown, I've unfortunately had the displeasure of reading and comprehending your entire post.

I won't pretend to support the actions of axis soldiers, just the same as I wouldn't support the actions of soldiers in muddled conflicts like we have going on today, however I respect the courage and stalwart determination of soldiers no matter which country they fight for, or for what political/religious ideology they fight for.


It's with that sense of respect in mind, that I find bringing stories to light, from both sides of any conflict, is beneficial, and why I detest people who dismiss those stories and soldiers because "they were our enemy and they did horrible things".
War is horrible by definition, horrible things are bound to happen, and even worse things are bound to happen when religion is thrown in, as shown with Japan's involvement in WWII, but that doesn't make the stories or the soldiers any less impressive, or detract from the insane amount of courage it would have taken for ANY soldier to fight on those fronts, in those conditions, and with those tools.


In the same way I can absolutely respect and be amazed by the courage shown by the soldiers during the raid of St. Nazaire, I can also be equally amazed and impressed by the courage and fighting spirit (and oftentimes surprising humility) of the German soldiers during their conflicts, such as some of the stories of Hanz Von Luck (very interesting book, I suggest finding a copy), it's for those reasons that I think you should reconsider dismissing an entire army of its right to have its stories told simply because you don't like the thought of them having killed allies in past conflicts.

Unsung Eagles - This isn't specifically about fighter pilots, more about the pilots who never got recognition, or those that performed roles that were vital to the war effort, but were never covered. For instance, one chapter is about a demonstration pilot who was in charge of flying stateside for friends and family of soldiers as well as soldiers at home to demonstrate our air power and boost morale. Another is about a P-47 pilot who every day, all day, patrolled the English channel at low level looking for downed pilots. It's a fantastic read.

The First Team - This is a more academic book about the first carrier naval conflicts in the Pacific up to and including the Battle of Midway. It's a great non-fiction read if you're looking to become more knowledgeable on air combat. It can get dry (like some pages just listing who died, and charts on casualties), but they're easily skippable.

The First and the Last - Haven't actually read this, but it comes highly recommended and is next on my list after Stuka Pilot (listed below).


I also second everything that /u/Redlyr said.

Robert Stanford Tuck's biography Fly For Your Life is hands down one of the best books I've ever read. His account of the Battle of Britain is exceptionally interesting. Definitely worth a read if you can find a copy.

Stepan Anastasovich Mikoyan works with the dev team and was a Soviet pilot in the Battle of Stalingrad.

(See bottom of the page)


> Mikoyan's flying career began in 1941 when, after graduating from the Kacha Military Aviation Fighter-Pilot School, he joined the 11th Fighter Regiment in the defense of Moscow and Stalingrad. After World War II he studied at the Military Aviation Engineering Academy and became a test-pilot at the Research Flight-Test Institute of the Soviet Air Force. He tested such early jet fighters as the MiG 15 and 17, analyzing their combat worthiness in comparison to the West's Sabre and other new designs. Beginning in 1959 he headed the fighter testing division of the Institute and in 1965 he became the Institute's second-in-command. Mikoyan writes about many of the 102 types of fighter, bomber, and other aircraft he flew...

Source

I've tried to find some reference to your story; but the team also talked to other veterans.

Interesting if true. :)

=D

I guess someone is upset that the Cobra is so effective in Arcade. That's understandable; it's a very silly plane in actuality...the big cannon (& unlimited ammo) and a super forgiving FM abrogates all of the plane's real (and quite catastrophic) shortcomings.

This is a great memoir of a guy flying P-39s in the least interesting air combat theater of the war (which doesn't stop the book from being very good).

The publisher couldn't even be bothered to show the right plane on the cover, that's how little anyone likes the P-39!

Had more been referring to Gamelin's debacle, of anything! They reaaally didn't listen to Estienne or de Gaulle after him in the push to create independent armored divisions until it was far too late, right around the first Czechoslovak Crisis (The May Crisis) in '38. It was his words that Guderian had reflected in his formation of the Panzer divisions, as well as Guderian's experience on the opposite side of such a combined forces action during the "Black day of the German army," 3ème Bataille de Picardie, circa 1918 - if I'm remembering correctly! Guderian even credited the French in his memoirs, no less.


It's de Gaulle's espousing of Estienne's teachings so closely that helped urge the creation of LeClerc's 2e Division Blindée (aside from LeClerc's performance with the unit prior to the name, of course!). Prior to this the Tanks were interspersed throughout the units of the standing, defensive forces under overly-cautious Gamelin.


...There's much that can be ranted on regarding the debacle, The Collapse of the Third Republic by Shirer being quite a good book for such musings! He does not hide his bias therein, though his detailing of events is still quite stellar.


My great-uncle served with one of the Forces françaises libres divisions as a radio operator during the invasion of Germany at the end, and my grandfather as a submariner in the Les Forces Navales Françaises Libres - despite having been in port during la bataille de Mers el-Kébir, to be true - so the disposition of French forces has always been a passion hereabouts. Je suis un Franco-Américain, il est bon de savoir que l'histoire des deux côtés!

If you have the budget, you may like this setup https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Flight-Pack/dp/B01N2PE8CZ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1540203046&sr=8-5&keywords=Thrustmaster. Be sure to dig into the reviews, but this model seems like sturdy budget solution for stick, throttle and pedals. Mine should be arriving today.

I have a paperback copy I bought when I was a teanager.

EDIT Found a paperback version on Amazon for around $17 and the Kindle version is only $6:

http://www.amazon.com/Stuka-Pilot-Hans-Ulrich-Rudel/dp/1908476877/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374849519&sr=1-1&keywords=stuka+pilot

I'd also recommend Adolph Galland's "The First and the Last" and a book called "Horrido"

http://www.amazon.com/Horrido-Raymond-Constable-Trevor-Toliver/dp/0553126636/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374849615&sr=1-1&keywords=horrido

If you're into japanese aces, "Samurai!" by Saburo Sakai is also very, very good: http://www.amazon.com/Samurai-Unforgettable-Japans-Greatest-Fighter/dp/B0025ZXCQW/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374849652&sr=1-4&keywords=saburo+sakai

And then of course, read "Baa Baa Black Sheep" by Gregory Boyington

> Apparently good enough to shoot down He 111s...

A fact much celebrated in the definitive book on the Skua.

If you're wondering, it's a fascinating look at how to screw up the design of an airplane.

Quote from the Pilot section about Franz Stigler.

>The things he experienced could easily fill a book

here it is (tho not just about him, it does give out alot of Franz's life in it)

Please, i beg you, read it, and if you have, Read it again. i've read mine 4 times in the past 2 months. please, just do. it's my favorite book, and as 16 who do nothing but play war thunder all day, reading a book, yet alone having a favorite one is something i rarely experience.

Does anyone know how this will work? Will ps4 players be able to play with pc players. One of my main concerns is that ps4 players won't be able to keep up with mouse users with the ps4 controller. The only way possible if the ps4 has something like this
Or what about FRB? Any thoughts guys?

Edit- After re reading the article, this quote makes me feel like they will be separate, "PC-version."

After two years of owning the hog my 2c:

Don't bother with any preset profiles. They will never work how you want them to and making your own will help you better understand controls what they do.

Don't bother with TARGET. All it really does is turn two physical devices (your Warthog Stick and your Warthog Throttle) in to one logical device (Thrustmaster Combined) that Windows sees. It does this all in an absolutely shite interface.

Just don't run TARGET and bind the axis and buttons in War Thunder directly.

If you are looking for inspiration this is my minimal hog bindings. Not bound are pitch trim for which I use a wheel, engine start & landing gear and MEC via some levers.

Cheapest you can go without making something homemade is probably the CH pedals and a Saitek throttle quadrant.

You don't really need a separate throttle for War Thunder unless you want to use manual engine control or really want a HOTAS setup, though. I'd say it's way less important than a good stick/pedals and head tracking.

Fly For Your Life

I just started the book, A Higher Call, this afternoon.