(Part 2) Best products from r/cordcutters

I have a Samsung HD tv and have a regular dell PC plugged into it. The Dell has an HDMI-out port on its video card, so the TV essentially acts as the PC's monitor. I don't have cable, but still use the tv for over-the-air (OTA) television (via an antenna) and then with the PC. It is nice to have a large-screen computer, essentially, in the living room which we can use from the couch (I've got a very effective wireless keyboard, link below). Also, it is nice to turn Pandora on the television's computer and listen to music like that.

The quality of picture from the PC is as good as cable in my opinion. When I use Netflix or Hulu (I have Hulu Plus for the HD) on the television, the video quality is almost as good as a Blu Ray (definitely as good and sometimes better than a DVD).

Good luck to you

Great Wireless Keyboard
http://www.amazon.com/Multimedia-Keyboard-Trackball-Wireless-GKM561R/dp/B002H0BOBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369320279&sr=8-1&keywords=iogear+wireless+keyboard

edit: if you live near a city, the OTA broadcasts will be in HD.

its going to be pretty difficult to get signal where you are. Maybe you can get that one spanish channel but thats probably about it.

On the other hand I have an 8bay antenna that gets me stations as weak as some of the ones you want and i use a channel master 7777 amp with it ...

But you are at 40 feet .. what is that calculation anticipating? A pole on top of a 2 story home?

i would save a little money off that db8e which is a great antenna but you can do as well with one third its price

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00CXQO00K/ref=sr_1_2_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1482771311&sr=8-2&keywords=xtreme+signal+8+bay&condition=used

and get a channel master 7777

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000GGKOG8/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1482771386&sr=8-1&keywords=channel+master+7777&condition=used

but honestly .. you are probably better off getting the Direct Now $35 a month streaming package with 100 channels.. it kinda sucks a bit right now but if you get the free apple tv or firestick it will work well enough until they work out support for more devices.

Hi anime_daisuki,

You’re in the right subreddit for this topic, by golly! Per chance have you found the sidebar guides, and particularly the Antenna Guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/cordcutters/wiki/antenna

It mentions some about VHF and UHF. I’ll add that for High-VHF reception (what is listed in TVFool’s “Real” column as values 7 through 13), an antenna needs one or more elements 3 feet wide. UHF wavelengths (“Real” 14+) are narrower, and smaller antennas do okay with those.

<br />
Thanks for the insight you’ve offered, in particular regarding that it’s only a 12’ coax feeding the HDHR alone.  That means you’re not losing much signal—and there’s no need to try adding a pre-amp nor any amplification.<br />
<br />
By wanting to stay in the attic, I’m like the others in being concerned about going too small, since the antenna’s gain and incoming signal strength have to overcome the roofing and construction materials density.  Hence the mention of possibly losing 50%.  To that end, I’ll second the suggestion of the 30-2475 added in via UHF/VHF combiner (note it’s not just a typical splitter).<br />
<br />
However, if you’re up for experimenting, realizing that these two options may not work, I’ll offer the possibilities of:<br />
<br />
*  VHF add on ~$20:  https://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direct-VHF-1-VHF-Retrofit/dp/B00LHFRCMG<br />
<br />
It has a UHF/VHF combiner already integrated.  So you’d feed your existing antenna into it, then hopefully find a sweet spot in the attic to place/mount this VHF dipole to lock in ABC.  Notice how it’s a single element, so it doesn’t have any gain.  But might do better than the VHF capabilities of what you currently have.<br />
<br />
*  Replace with or add this ~3’ x 3’ RCA &amp;lt;$50:  https://www.amazon.com/RCA-Mini-Yagi-Outdoor-Antenna/dp/B01N4UASN0<br />
<br />
You’d point the narrow end toward the towers.  This aerial does okay for many people, and has a better VHF design than what you currently have.  If you try it alone and lose some channels, then link this to your current antenna with one of those special UHF/VHF combiners.  (And if you’re going to stay under a roof, this combiner or similar would work, since weather won’t reach it:  https://www.radioshack.com/products/radioshack-vhf-uhf-gold-plated-splitter-combiner .)<br />
<br />
~~~~~~~~<br />
<br />
Lastly, a roof installation might not be hundreds (plural) of dollars.  Perhaps call this service and see if the &amp;lt;$150 package would cover the channels of interest to you:  <br />
<br />
https://www.airtv.net/antenna-installation/<br />
<br />
Good Luck!  ~~  Statmanmi

The DB2e may be a good choice for you. It is small enough to put in a window. Check around on eBay, Amazon and Walmart for the best price.

I would also recommend the Winegard LNA-200 amplifier. You could go with an amp with more gain, but if you have too much gain you won't get a good signal. It is also available at the stores I mentioned. Go with the store that has the best return policy, as you may either not need it at all (I doubt it) or want one with more gain, like the Channel Master CM-7777 Titan 2. Just remember, more (gain) is not always better.

One other note-I had good luck using the Winegard amp on a Antennas Direct, inc CSM1 indoor antenna, but it didn't consistently bring in the channels like the DB2e. I wouldn't recommend that setup. BUT, you Could try just putting the amplifier on your Leaf to see what happens before purchasing a larger antenna.

I see that motivational speaker career is paying off!....

You have "line of sight" to the KHOU transmitters (which is good), but you're about 30 miles away. That's probably too far for a consistent signal with a window or attic antenna, especially on a VHF signal.

But a rooftop antenna should easily be able to pull in such a strong signal (and all your other stations). How about a Clearstream 2V or Winegard 7694p or 7698p strapped to your chimney or on a roof mount, with a RCA Preamp 1. A preamp locks in the signal you receive at the antenna so you don't bleed signal on the coaxial run to your television or at the splitters.

Point the antenna at 178 degrees using your iPhone compass app or install an Android compass app. On the roof, it'll pull in all your signals nicely because they all come from the same location.

FYI - the Clearstream is the nicest looking, but remember that federal law protects your right to put up pretty much any OTA antenna you want on your roof -- no matter what your HOA, city, or landlord prefer. FCC link 1 FCC link 2

FYI 2 -- if you previously had DirecTV or Dish Network, you might be able to re-use their rooftop mount and coaxial cable runs, assuming that their pole/mount gives you a clear, unobstructed view toward 178 degrees. You'll just need to swap out any Direct/Dish splitters/amplifiers for your own splitter or connector.

4 people streaming regularly on a $40 router is probably asking for reboots and slowdowns. I don't own any of the routers on this review site, but you might want to look that over. Their pick for best cheap router is the TP-LINK TL-WDR3600

You have to think of routers like little computers that literally route network signals to each of your devices within your home. Just like a computer, the cheaper routers have slower processors and less RAM, which can slow things down pretty quickly when multiple people are doing bandwidth-intensive things like streaming.

I'd seriously consider upping your budget if you want a smooth streaming experience in your house.

Personally, I have a ASUS RT-N66U and it's an amazing router, and I've never had a single issue with it, but it's well above your price range.

>I couldn't pick up KTBC (FOX) even upstairs

Fox is a VHF station, and mohu leaf will struggle with that since it is mainly UHF.

to pick up VHF you need either:

1. cheap rabbit ears. This website will show how to get the most out of it.
   
   
2. DIY loop antenna which is what the clearstream5 is.
   
   
3. outdoor LPDA antenna which are big.
   
   >There's an unused satellite dish on the roof
   
   could always use its "mast" for an outdoor antenna
   
   >but the coax run from it was cut at the roof line
   
   if you do an outdoor, than you'll probably want a new coax. It is better to have 1 long uninterrupted/broken cable with an amplified signal than have the signal go through split wire.
   
   >(cement fiberboard) siding on all 4 sides upstairs - could that negatively affect reception in the attic?
   
   sure. outside signal strength will always be better than indoors. That being said you have very, very strong signals coming from 217degrees which is less than 10 miles away. Thus you should still be able to pick up a strong signal in the attic. Cement fiberboard isnt as big an obstruction as metal.
   
   >There's no power in our attic either
   
   wont need it if you use a preamplifier. This image shows how one works.
   
   >I've also never dropped coax down inside walls
   
   where is your house "cable box" located?
   
   >Ideally, instead of spending an entire weekend or two fumbling around at it myself, I'd rather pay someone to do everything right the first time in half a day and be done with it.
   
   understood. Based on your tvfool, an installer should be able to fix everything up for you relatively easily. I wouldnt recommend getting a rotor since almost all of the channels you would be interested in getting is in the ~216degree direction. Make sure that an outdoor antenna is properly grounded.
   
   >How did you find them, how did it go, how much did you pay, etc.?
   
   get a list of installers from your local lowes/home depot/sears/hardware store. check online 1, 2.
   call them and price shop. Obviously the cost will depend on what equipment you buy and installation fees (hourly vs total). They should be able to ballpark it for you or give a free estimate.
   
   good luck!

Since you haven't bought it yet...

Look up the WD TV Live. It's another set top box and really shines when it comes to playing local content. It has greater codec support than the roku and doesn't have to use plex or get things transcoded. You can hook up your hard drives to the WD TV via USB and play files directly, saving you the need of involving your laptop.

The downside is you can't get the prettied up UI of plex, but the basic file-folder navigation style is simple and easy.

Roku is great for accessing official streaming services, but it's simply outdone by the WD TV Live when it comes to local content playback.

http://www.amazon.com/Streaming-Media-Player-Wi-Fi-1080p/dp/B005KOZNBW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136997

Online shops advertise it as costing $120 but always have it discounted to $100...and I don't know why because Western Digital's official price for it is $99. So don't pay more then that.

This is long.. but don't be scared!


Getting local TV over the air is similar to getting a radio station over the air. All TVs sold in the US contain the necessary cards to support broadcast TV. However, TV has all moved to Digital, which means you can't access channels unless a re-scan on your TV to find them all first. Re-scanning is pretty easy to do, just go into your TV menu, usually it's under "Channel" or "Signal" or something like that.


Before even looking into an antenna, you'll need to figure out how close/easy to receive the station you're looking for will be. I've linked the FCC site below, put in your address and see if it's towards the top of the list. There's also TV Fool, which tends to be more detailed but slightly out of date. Check both. Also take into account if you live in a building with thick walls or in a neighborhood with a lot of trees, they will make signals harder to receive. If you're in the green on both TVfool and the FCC sites, it should be possible to get it with an indoor antenna.

I'm assuming you're going to want at least Newschannel 9 (Chattanooga), with the callsign WTVC. TVfool has a callsign lookup with a guide for indoor/outdoor reception. Plug "WTVC" in there and check your neighborhood. It looks like that station still broadcasts on Channel 9, so you're going to want an antenna that supports VHF at least, more on that at the very end.

If you've checked the resources, and getting the stations you want over the air is possible, it's time to get an antenna. You can spend really as much as you want, I've linked to the Winegard flatwave below which is recommended by the sub and fairly cheap. If the rating an TVfool for the station you want is below 50 or so NM (dB) there's an amplified version.





https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

https://www.tvfool.com/

https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL-5000-High-VHF-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0063705PE/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1537677684&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=winegard+flatwave&psc=1

WiDi works by acting as a wireless cable. So imagine that it's like the same as connecting through hdmi, since the adapter will likely take in or output hdmi on either end. In this manner, it basically treats the TV as a monitor, so whatever you can do with your current hdmi connection, you should be able to do with the WiDi adapters.

In regards to the product, it'd be more helpful if you gave a direct link, but if you mean this item, then that's a different beast altogether. This one is basically a media player that looks for media shares, so similar in functionality to a Roku or similar.

Which one to get really depends on what your wider preference is. Both will let you stream netflix to your TV and play files from your local media shares, but the media player limits you to those activities. This comes with the benefit of a TV friendly user interface(usually) and a remote, so you don't even need your computer nearby as long as it's on the network.

WiDi will require you to keep a keyboard and mouse handy, wireless is helpful here, since you're basically operating your computer/laptop and the TV is acting as the monitor. However, WiDi allows you do to anything you can do on your computer on the TV screen, whether it's playing games, browsing the internet, doing work, etc.

The name of the game for OTA in SF Bay Area is Sutro Tower - also, a notable landmark, see: http://www.larrykenney.com/sutrotwr.html

Luckily, you are within 40 miles, so you should have good results with a decent attic antenna set up.

You can ignore the other reply about Low VHF stations. Those are low power, extreme niche JUNK channels (think, Shopping Channel in Vietnamese, GOD TV, Korean News, etc.) - worthless to target unless you fall within that narrow particular niche. Here is good list of what these are for SF Bay Area: http://www.choisser.com/sfonair2.html

Sutro Tower gets you Fox 2 (44 real), ABC 7 (7 real), CBS 5 (29 real) PBS 9 (30 real), plus some really good second tiers - CW, and KOFY, MeTV, and ThisTV. Notwithstanding ABC 7 being listed as 7 VHF, I get ABC 7 as strong UHF 35. So, Sutro Tower is bascally a UHF antenna affair.

However, just south of Sutro Tower is Mnt. San Bruno. It has NBC 11 which IS broadcasting in VHF (12 real). It is one of 2 broadcasting 1080 (other is CBS), so definitely worth targeting. Therefore, you should have a good UHF antenna (Sutro Tower stations) plus decent VHF to get NBC.

I have good results with ClearStream 4V: https://www.amazon.com/ClearStream-Indoor-Outdoor-Antenna-Mount/dp/B00SVNKT86/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1517716978&sr=1-1&keywords=ClearStream+4V

(May be superceded by ClearStream 4Max)
This gets you good UHF and VHF. However, you may want to detach the VHF portion and aim independently, since the respective transmitters are at different angles.

Pre-amp is a must, I use this from Channel Master:

https://www.channelmaster.com/Amplify_TV_Antenna_Preamplifier_p/cm-7777hd.htm

I no longer split my signal to various TVs. Instead, I send to digital tuner (HDHomerun Quatro) which can output 4 simultaneous to my LAN connected TVs (just use Powerline).

Finally, not sure how you can be in Napa and within 40 miles of Sutro Tower and not be Line of Sight - as Sutro Tower is 1700’ above average terrain - unless you are hugging Sonoma Mtns or similar. Typically, much of Napa has clear shot to Sutro Tower.

Well, do you want C, or Ku band? For the most part, the era of C-band wild feed hunting iss over, (it was in it's heyday during the late 90's). There are still things being aireed in the clear, but it's sort of rare these days.

A C-Band dish is anywhere between 6 and 10 feet wide, and you' will need a motorized dish to be able to pick up the most channels. (and yes, you actually still can subscribe to C band service if you wish). A Ku band dish, you can re-purpose an old DirecTV or Dish Network dish, swap out the LNBF, and get a DVB-2s reciever. You can also buy complete kits online for around $200, if you wish to have a fixed dish, (not motorized).

For a stationary dish, you will be able to get the most amount of channels if you point to Galaxy 19. Note that unless you are interested in teleshopping and religious programming, there's not really much to watch on it in English. Here is a list of everything on the Ku Band in English. If you're interested in international programming, and/or the C band as well, Here is a list of literally everything being broadcast in the clear in the USA.

I noticed some have advised replacing the DISH splitters with regular splitters. That may or may not be necessary; if it's an older dish system the splitters it used may be perfectly capable of splitting the signal from your antenna. On the other hand, if the dish had multiple LNB's on it then you probably will need to remove and replace all the Dish Network splitters. If you can post a good, clear picture of the splitter(s) we can probably tell you if they will need to be replaced.

However if you are in an area where all your received signals are a bit on the weak side then you may instead want to replace any splitters with an amplified splitter such as one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PI09SE?keywords=channel%20master%20splitter&qid=1449601660&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

Note they come in 2, 4, and 8 port models so you can match the number of outputs to the number of TV's you are feeding. The idea is to eliminate the loss normally associated with splitting the signal. On the other hand, if all the signals you want to receive are very strong, then adding one of these would be overkill and you can just get by with a passive splitter. If you post a link to your TVFool report we can give you better advice on this.

So, I've never had cable since I was at home with my parents but i'd like to have some access to local channels. The availability of stations is pretty limited, but I'd really like to access them as they do both have worthwhile content (news, weather, etc.).

I'm just trying to figure out if i should go amplified or not. I want to make a good choice as I'll probability have to buy online and returning things that way is a major PITA.

From reading the wiki here I'm pretty disappointed to see that they are 2 edge. Is there hope for me? I live about half way down a big slope towards the ocean.

from my research and needs I have narrowed it down to a couple:

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/antennas-direct-antennas-direct-clearstream-indoor-outdoor-digital-tv-antenna-c2-v-cjm-cn-c2-v-cjm-cn/10319740.aspx?path=85260495e5d2bb28aa92898f739fd3d0en02

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/antennas-direct-antennas-direct-clearstream-amplified-indoor-digital-tv-antenna-csm1-xg-cn-csm1-xg-cn/10319742.aspx?path=6af036befea226fff2956a90e4d0f193en02

https://www.amazon.ca/Pictek-Amplified-Ultra-thin-Detachable-Amplifier/dp/B01F88D5AA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1479674085&sr=1-1&keywords=indoor+antenna

https://www.amazon.ca/Winegard-FL5500A-FlatWave-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1479674112&sr=1-1&keywords=indoor+antenna

Buy best I can likely return in store, so I'd like to go that route.

if you have any suggestions for me, let me know.

There is a way to do it, yes, but it will be a bit more complicated than your description. I had a similar situation in my house when I cut the cord. I put the antenna in the attic with a distribution amplifier similar to this. The in-wall coax is definitely ok to use with either antenna or cable service.

One output of the amplifier was connected to a TV in a room immediately below. The other output went to the original cable which dropped through the walls to the basement where the original cable signal had come in. Another distribution amplifier there distributed the signal to four other rooms with TV jacks. (Note that the line from the antenna became the input signal to the basement amplifier; it was originally connected to one of the outputs.)

If your signals are strong and/or you don't need to split the signal at the antenna, you may not need the first distribution amplifier at the antenna.

This works well for all the TVs, getting about 35 channels. We are about 20 miles from most of the TV transmitters.

Hope this helps!

I own a Boxee Box, 1st Gen AppleTV running crystalbuntu (Linux w/ XMBC + CrystalHD/1080p support) and a little set-top PC running Plex.

Here is my consensus.

Easiest:

If you primarily want to watch streaming content like Netflix, Vudu movie rentals, and other various content from the web, the boxee is a real winner. It organizes and helps you locate content from around the web and puts it into and easy to use 10ft interface. The keyboard isn't backlit which is annoying, and the interface can slow down a bit during load.

I've also found that every once in a while it needs a reboot just because. (Especially after a larger movie like 1080i)
Also, Boxee Box sucks for large high quality files. It locks up with 1080p .ts files, (or at least takes 1-4minutes to load) and lots of .mkv files make it cry/slideshow. Most content on the web is 720p or less.

Moderate skills:

If you primarily watch video content that you have downloaded, a set-top pc is (IMO) the winner. You can put in hardware that can actually handle 1080p without croaking. Your selection of input devices is much, much larger, and you don't have to worry about something coming out that your device can't support.

The other advantage is that you can set up that set-top pc to be your media downloading/storing device. Transmission, Sabnzbd+ w/ Sickbeard + Couchpotato + Headphones can automate the entire process and give you what amounts to an internet based DVR (With music too.) You could even install Subsonic and serve the music to your phone to stream while you're away.

Tech savvy:

If you watch mostly local content, but also want to be able to rent stuff easily, a 1st gen AppleTV with crystalbuntu is the best/cheapest solution. You can pick up a used ATV for around $50 on craigslist and get a CrystalHD card for ~$40. This will handle 1080p files for less than $100 as long as you have some technical know-how and a free usb stick >4GB (Or don't mind formatting the internal HDD) You can even remove the USB stick and boot into ATV to use their rental service for instant access to films giving you a sort of "Best of both worlds"

Of course, with all it's strengths, a set-top PC/Hacked ATV requires you to build/install/configure/modify all of it. For many people, that alone is the killer feature of a boxee box.

Would this be the best one? Its the newest. Amazon Link WD TV
This has no Netflix for some reason..

There is also this one which has older software I believe. Amazon Link WD TV Live

There is also a WD TV Play, but no USB included.


...

Ordering a WD TV Live 3rd Gen WDBHG70000NBK. Seems to be the best.

I had success browsing ebay for a laptop with a cracked screen. I just had to make sure that the laptop screen wasn't so bad that I couldn't windows (to make sure I could change settings to recognize the tv being plugged in) and make sure the laptop had hdmi output. I ended up with a nice hp for just over $100.

It now has xbmc, hot keys to hulu, netflix, torrent sites/client, and I have a vpn (private internet acces, ~$40/year). Soon I'll have Aereo to replace USTVnow that I have setup on xbmc. I bought this keyboard/mouse to make browsing easier. My wife and I are very happy with this setup and never have any sort of issue. The only other thing I buy is NHL Gamecenter to watch on my ps3 (although if there is a similar work around to this as there is NFL games, I'd gladly drop it).

You are really close to a ton of towers. Any UHF antenna will get you perfect reception.

If you want a small form factor, I'd suggest something like the AmazonBasics HD antenna. I can get channels that broadcast about 20-30 miles away, and that's with mounting the antenna behind my tv with a window on the other side of the room. Pretty sweet.

If you want better reception and more channels, opt for a VHF/UHF antenna you can mount in your attic or on the roof.

Was hoping for more specifics really, so I could see what wireless protocols they support.

Basically, at the very least your devices all likely support wireless 802.11n, hopefully both 2.4ghz and 5ghz frequencies. To that end, I would suggest at least getting a dual band 802.11 router with external antennas. If you want to future proof or you have devices that support it, I would suggest spending a few more $ and getting an 802.11ac router. Wireless 802.11ac is a game changer as far as I am concerned, with its introduction of beam forming technology.

Personal suggestions:

For an 802.11ac router: Asus RT-AC66U

For a dual band 802.11n router: Asus RT-N66U

There are Netgear equivalents of course, though I do strongly recommend something with external antennas.

Finally, I am sure someone will come here saying how you should hardwire everything, wireless is shit, etc. Point of fact is wireless is a YMMV situation and hardwiring everything isn't always practical. The first step though is buying the right equipment. If you buy a cheap router, you'll have a cheap experience.

At 55 miles you need a roof mounted antenna to get your stations as you found out inside antennas most likely won't work well at all. All of your signals are pretty strong and LOS even at 55 miles all but one in the same direction which is good but as others have said you want a combo antenna that does both VHF(lo-hi) and UHF such as the CM-3020 HD8200XL or the ANT3038Z I believe they sell a very large RCA antenna similar at Menards for $94 the last time I looked but unsure of the the model just look for the largest box and similar price. These antennas are all 12ft long and if you need something more compact with similar performance there is the HD Stacker TV Antenna.

For a pre-amp the LNA-200 would probably work just fine and it is cheaper than the Channel Master 7777 preamp but you may not need it depending on how many tvs you have but if you have like 4-5 then a preamp is a good idea. You should also be able to use the existing cabling before used for direct tv and hook it into the antenna.

Antennaweb.org indicates you get poor reception in your zip code at ground level. Are you SURE your antenna is at 30 feet?

The Fire TV Recast has a somewhat finicky tuner. It might allow a shorter cable run from a rooftop antenna - which is good.

Your antenna is a decent one, but not really designed for VHF channels like FOX, PBS, NBC, and CW. (12, 10, 8 and 5).

The Clearstream 5 is one of the few VHF antennas outside of rabbit ears. It's pricey and I can't say whether it's good or bad. You could also more easily and cheaply try the VHF Retrofit Kit. It would allow you to join with your existing antenna. It's basically like fancy rabbit ears about 31.5" across.

Thanks! Haha I am lucky w/ that location! Isn't Leaf bad for VHF channels like channel 8 for Cleveland?

I am also looking at this one too http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FreeVision-FV-30BB-HDTV-Antenna/dp/B003L76BJS/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

And this one as well http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FL5500A-FlatWave-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1412477557&sr=8-2&keywords=Winegard+FlatWave+HDTV+Indoor+Digital+Flat+Antenna+amped

I've never heard of "ahere" as a manufacturer, so I suspect it's a marketing company rather than a company that actually makes and tests the antennas. You have gotten some nice suggestions for antennas people know to be good.

I had good luck with both my ChannelMaster CM4228, but it's large; probably too large for your attic. This ClearStream 4V didn't work as well for me for a very weak VHF station, but my brother in law is using it and likes it. They make a 60 mile version that is smaller and can probably fit in your attic space.

I think upofadown's suggestion for either a Winegard HD7694 or ChannelMaster CM-2018 are good choices. But they are 78" long, and they can be hard to fit into small spaces.

I put a ClearStream 4V in my attic and I've been pretty happy with it. I use a pre-amp with it since I'm running the cable through my basement, along the side of the house, then into the attic (rather than fishing wires through the attic). If your dish's coax runs through the attic/roof then it'd be even easier to tap into that line.

Obviously it would be ideal to have the least amount of obstructions as possible, so if roof-mounting is an option, you should go for it. Get a bigger oldschool antenna (like one of these) and you can probably mount it to the same pole or receiver as your dish.

I've had it for a year now, so I would recommend a newer CPU/Motherboard. And please note that this unit is only up to running old arcade games, not something that takes a lot of display horsepower. Here is the system I built, it is running OpenELEC:

Case - Thermaltake Element Q - $75

Motherboard/CPU/APU - Asus AT5IONT-I - $180

Memory - Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) - $30

SSD - Crucial M4 64GB - $73

Blu-ray Drive - I have a discontinued Sony Optiarc full height unit - I would recommend - Asus Black 12X BD-ROM - $53

A couple of items that made the build easier:

10" SATA Cables - $10

1 Foot Right Angle Power Cord - $9

TOTAL: $430

EDIT: I forgot the remote. Any Windows Media remote works, I chose this one ($21) since its IR unit seemed to have a wide angle of signal capture, which it does. I also have a small mini-keyboard/remote ($37) for those times I need it.

EDIT II: I also forgot that I have a HD HomeRun ($90) to support TV. Storage is handled by a Startech 2 Drive Enclosure ($72) with 2 WD AV-GP WD20EURS 2TB ($120 each) These will be replaced by a server when I can afford it.

This makes a grand total that might not be so attractive: $430 for the HTPC + $460 for peripherals and storage = $890

I picked up a Arris 6141 for $49 for a refurb almost 4 years ago and it's running strong at 100Mbps.

This is a couple of years old but I paid a lot more for it at my Mom's and a few friend's and it's running strong and had great coverage at a 2200 sq. ft. home. I've been tempted to replace mine with one since they've dropped to $39.99 lately https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IUDUJE0/

​

I recently made this post and went with this antenna based on the recommendation in the comments.

I just installed it this last weekend and I'm happy to say that I got almost all of my desired channels. There are a couple that I lost when I made the run to my house distribution box instead of directly to the TV, but all-in-all, I'm happy (no amplifier was necessary).

It's not under $100, but all I can say is that it worked for me. Seeing as you have 2x groups of stations, using the bowtie would work out well for you.

I'd look something like (top down):

--o--/

If it were Me, I'd get this:

http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-ZBOX-1-6GHz-Barebone-ZBOX-AD02-U/dp/B004XYJLY0/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1319408109&sr=1-7

and this

http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Definition-Television-HDHR3-US/dp/B004HO58SO/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0

FWIW, this is what I currently own today:

http://www.barrymorrison.com/2011/04/25/my-htpc-coming-soon/

http://www.barrymorrison.com/2011/05/01/my-htpc-its-here/

Only thing I'd do differently, is a dual-tuner. BUT this was at Woot for $80 so I did it! A dual-tuner is a necessity (for me IMO).

Good luck!

http://www.reddit.com/r/htpc/ might be a good place to ask as well.

Can't really provide any input on that card, but it's definitely an OEM device, so drivers could be an issue. Most that are available are pulls or remans, so there's a good chance that they are used, and will have no support or warranty. So the decision is if you want to risk the $$ on a used / unsupported part (that very well could work like a champ), or pay a bit more for something that's guaranteed to work.

Personally, I like the HDHomeRun tuners. They are external network devices, and don't require any space in the machine (or even have to be in the same room).

http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Definition-Digital-HDHR3-US/dp/B004HO58SO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380923301&sr=8-1&keywords=hdhomerun

Of course, they are more than $30.

Right now I use this in the window of the lowest floor of my house. And this on the main level. They both work pretty well when setup outdoors, but i get nothing if they are inside. This is why I want a dedicated antenna outdoors. I don't think I need a particularly strong antenna for the stations I want to get, and I wanted something that won't be too large. This is my TV fool report. I am only really interested in FOX, NBC, CBS, and ABC.

The changes a year has wrought:

AppleTV

Roku

Western Digital Live

Vizio Co-Star

Many Blu-Ray players

Many Smart TVs.

Most current gen game consoles (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

All support Netflix and all support 5.1 sound. It depends on personal preference to define what is best for you.

It will work. Your tv needs an ATSC tuner to decode digital signal. Most TVs have them built into them. If you are unsure find your tv manual online and look. I bet it does. IF NOT, you can buy an ATSC tuner. (http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/16/the-five-best-cord-cutting-devices-plus-one-bonus/) - see #1

Also, We are rowing the same boat. (TWC internet subscriber here, was doing the same thing as you, live in valley village).

I purchased a small multi directional antenna on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ultra-Thin-Amplified-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B00DIFIP06/ref=sr_1_1?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1419278527&sr=1-1

We are fortunate to be close to the towers on burbank mountain 80 deg. from you). all major channels come in from that direction. You could go with a directional antenna if you have clear line of sight in that direction. but you will want to consider your situation (building materials, what floor apt. you are on etc.). I am on the first floor on west side of the building and it is made out of metal so the directional wouldnt work for me.

Good luck!

I have Winegard Flatwave antenna:
https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL-5000-High-VHF-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0063705PE/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1539375572&sr=8-5&keywords=wineguard+flatwave
It works very well.
As the other poster mentioned, get a Roku, it has the most content. Look at the shows you watch most, then check which services offer the best value for you. You have lots of options that will save you money.

I went with this modem:
TP-LinkDocsis 3.0 Cable Modem

I spent a lot of time researching routers and reading reviews. I finally got the TP-Link AC1200 Gigabit Wireless Wi-Fi Router.

Full disclosure, I was trying to do this on a budget and weighed the reviews and price carefully. I almost got the TP-Link Archer 7, but there were just too many disgruntled reviewers on Amazon and The Wirecutter.

Good luck!

I am a fan of the AMD E-350 since that's what I have and it is powerful enough to drive 1080p videos without problem.

Here are a few options:


$279 Zotac Mini PC

• No OS
  
  
• 320GB HDD
  
  
• 2GB DDR3
  
  
• Included case and power supply
  
  
• Remote included
  
  
  $230 Zotac Barebones, Needs Ram, 2.5" drive, OS
  
  
• No OS
  
  
• No HDD
  
  
• No Ram
  
  
• Included case and power supply
  
  
• No remote/keyboard/mouse
  
  
  [$282 Custom PC]
  
  
• $99 Windows 7 OEM Home Premium (Locks to motherboard)
  
  
• $94 ASRock E-350 Motherboard
  
  
• Your choice of HDD (depends on your application how large or small you will need)
  
  
• $23 4GB Gskill DDR3
  
  
• $45 Foxconn case with power supply
  
  
• $20 Rii Mini Wireless keyboard
  
  
  If you don't need Windows, that frees up a good chunk of money for a big HDD.

Thanks for the reply! I think I can get by with mounting something to the eave and it would be great if I could get both bands in one *modest* antenna. Do you think something like either of the following would yield decent results?

https://www.amazon.com/Element-Bowtie-Indoor-Outdoor-Antenna/dp/B00C4XVOOC/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1550821519&sr=1-3&keywords=bowtie+antenna+hdtv

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SVNKT86/ref=emc_b_5_i

https://www.amazon.com/ClearStream-Indoor-Outdoor-HDTV-Antenna/dp/B002E1UNWS

At 60 miles, you want as powerful as you can possibly get, even with water and flat land, because you're also dealing with the curvature of the Earth at that point.

My father lives in a very hilly area, nearly 50 miles from his nearest broadcast towers. He picks up the entire market at around 70-80% signal strength with this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BSGCSA/

If you have the ability to mount something that big (I put up my father's with minimal help from him), you should.

Should I get something like the RCA or something like this: Direct C5 ClearStream 5 High Gain Digital VHF Antenna. Does one get a better reception than another?

I have this box for doing exactly what you described. I would suggest putting custom skins on it which makes it much more visually appealing for organizing all of your media. I havent found any file it cant play. Doesnt have a ton of features but if you just want all the files to play and be able to scroll through your files it works great. If you have any questions let me know.

Do you have a window that faces north and a line of sight to the horizon through that window? If so, you can place a VHF/UHF antenna in that window and receive most, if not all of the stations in the green except you may not receive 33 (ION) and 42 (Ind, Christian stations) because they come from the east.

Winegard FlatWave

Winegard FreeVision

Both of these antennas are good choices and will receive both VHF-Hi and UHF. I got slightly better reception with the FreeVision antenna but it is thicker and not really easy to mount on a window/wall but you can build a stand for it out of a dowel rod and a small piece of wood. You can purchase these antennas at Home Depot which I find is easier to return items to. You can purchase both, see which gets the better reception and then return the other. You will need a coaxial cable to connect the FreeVision to your TV, the FlatWave comes with a ~15foot long cable attached to the antenna.

If you're using Windows for your HTPC, Windows Media Center functions very well as a DVR off an antenna, you'd just need a tuner to be able to get the antenna signal into the pc. What I use, and what a lot of people are fans of is the HD HomeRun, a network connected tuner.


As for your second question, Antennaweb.org is your best friend.

this is ABSOLUTELY the best way to go. I've listed my cable modem and router below. The router is pretty heavy duty, you could absolutely get a cheaper Wireless-N Router without sacraficing much, or any, quality. Just understand that you need to router because the cable modem is JUST a modem.

• ARRIS / Motorola SB6121 SURFboard DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem - $55 refurb
  
• ASUS RT-N66U Dual-Band Wireless-N900 Gigabit Router - $125 refurb

This is what I got,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIFIP06/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

ABC and NBC are perfect, Fox is pretty fuzzy and CBS is just in the wrong direction for me to pick it up.

Look over there on the right at the starter guide link that will take you to the site where you can find out what kind of antenna you'll need. It all just depends on how far away you live from the source. Good luck

> *EDIT: Than an Ooma VoIP with a wireless adapter at $120 package on Amazon (sweet, sweet Prime pricing)

You can certainly do better than that.

Awesome thanks. I know little about this realm of tech... I assume I need a pre-amp? Something like this: Channel Master CM-7777?

How difficult is it to mount to the roof? Any advice?

I use this thing:

http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertainment-Wireless-Keyboard-TouchPad/dp/B003UE52ME/ref=zg_bs_12879431_2

The battery life is great, it is backlight, has tons of keys, the trackpad works and it is well built. But the receptions BLOWS. I am 8 feet from the receive with a clear LOS and it works 50/50.

You should be looking at the Arris/Motorola SB series.

SB6121 supports up to 172Mbps down 131Mbps up.
SB6141 steps up to 343Mbps max down.

Both are compatible with Comcast.

My recommended router is the Asus RT-N66U because it's pretty much the best bang for the buck router out there. It was a steal at $199 and with the AC routers pushing the price point down, this is the one you want at $120.

I've bought at least 5 different antennas. I can say for me, the Amazon Basics 50 mile range antenna was by far the best. Better than the Mohu Leaf, and several others. That's my 2 cents.

http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ultra-Thin-Amplified-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B00DIFIP06

You're right about that. The Roku plays h.264 natively; DivX-encoded AVI requires Plex or XBMC to transcode.

This looks like your best option (and it's on sale right now):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005KOZNBW?qid=1343016979&sr=1-1

I bought [this] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FVVKQM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1) "multi-directional" antenna made by Channel Master last month from Amazon. I live between Milwaukee and Chicago (approx. 42 miles to each city) and the antenna claimed to have a 180 degree span (with an 80 mile reach). It does indeed pull stations from both places...87 channels in fact. Many are repeated, as both cities provide a lot of the same stations, but it's nice to be able to get news from both places. I would highly recommend this antenna.

> I just didn't want those crazy massive silver looking alien and antennas.

Well those silver alien antennas. Are the NORMAL average TV antenna that has been around for decades. Proven tech, and it works.

The newer flat antennas are new designs, and they have their time and place. In a metro environment where the TV signals are practically baking you.

At 50 miles, even amp'd you are pushing your limits.

The first rule of RF, anything RF. If you want it pretty, forget it!

> So my set up is a bit more complex and im still not done. I don't have a clue on how to ground it or anything or what to put where.

http://otadtv.com/installation/index.html#ground

>And I need my antenna to run to every coax cable in the house.

Do you have home runs to each antenna from some place?

You need something like:
https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-Distribution-Amplifier-Antenna/dp/B001PI09SE/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505307172&sr=1-3&keywords=distribution+amp

https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Amplifier-Internet-Signal-Booster/dp/B001EKCGT8/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505307172&sr=1-5&keywords=distribution+amp

The thing is that you have an ACTIVE ANTENNA which needs power.

Antenna ---- cable--- lighting arrestor --- ground block --- power inserter for amp --- dist amp --- TV's


>Im not sure how u did everything in under an hour

Simple.. EXISTING DBS wiring was reused. Unbox antenna, snap elements into place, go to roof, loosen bolts on dish, pull up, throw off roof. Put in 6ft extension pipe in J mount, drill hole through J mount and pole, tighten. Put antenna on pole, aim, tighten, connect cable. Do scan on TV..Check! Tighten everything up good and tight. Tidy up cables with zip ties.. DONE! 55 channels, gross. That's everything of value and the cruft, minus a few LP/CD stations that are very low power and outside the beamwidth, plus one semi distant sort of next market/same market.

The thing is I've been doing RF work of some sort for DECADES. Antennas, cable, etc. is MY LIFE.

I feel like you're not getting a lot of direct answers here. I know there are plenty of variables, but there are few antennas that can achieve the 50+ mile range. That said, I live some 55 miles north of San Francisco, and use the Winegard HD7698P HDTV Antenna and receive crystal clear signal. However, if your run from the antenna to the TV or receiver is greater than 100 feet or so, I'd recommend getting the Winegard LNA-200 amplifier. It made a huge difference for me - my run is probably 200-250ft.

Edit: at 50 miles you'll HAVE TO use an outdoor antenna. There are no "leaf" style antennas that will work at this range. My antenna is mounted on a 10ft pole, to my chimney, some 40'+ off the ground.

I set a relative up with two Google Voice lines on an Obihai 200. The cost to make the switch is:

• Obi200 = $50 (one time fee)
  
• T-mobile phone port = $10 (one time fee)
  
• Google Voice port = $20 (one time fee)
  
• Anveo e911 service = $15/year
  
  If you do this, you can configure the Google Voice number to ring on the ObiHai 200 device and mobile line. In other words, anyone can call the original landline number and it will ring the home phone and mobile phone.
  
  Before you do this, you need to make sure you meet the following requirements.
  
  

1. Verify that the landline number can be transferred to Google Voice. Go to this page and enter the landline number. If you get this message "Ooops! This number appears to be from an area we don't currently support," then there is no way to port the landline number to Google Voice. However, if you get this message "Ooops! We currently don't support porting from your carrier ..." then you can port the landline to Google Voice (by way of T-mobile).
   
   
2. You must have a reliable Internet connection. I don't know if there is a required minimum speed, but I've used the GV/Obi200 device on plans as low as 5Mbs down/1 Mbps up.
   
   If you meet those requirements, then you need to buy the Obi200 and a T-mobile pre-paid sim card (don't get a post paid sim card). Once you have them both, then you will need to port the landline number over to the T-mobile sim card (you might need a T-mobile compatible phone to do this). Once you've done that, you can go into GV and port the number from T-mobile over to GV (use grandma's google account; if she doesn't have one, then open one). Then you just need to setup the Obi200 including setting up Anveo e911 service. Viola! You have reduced the monthly bill from $50 to a little over a $1. Congratulations.

I would skip the phone service and go with a VOIP solution. You can get an ObiHai 200 and port the number to Google Voice or Anveo and spend less than $5 a month including 911 access. https://www.amazon.com/OBi200-1-Port-Adapter-Support-Service/dp/B00BUV7C9A

You want to get the e911 from Anveo and use Google Voice for calling. That combo gives you unlimited calling and multiple 911 calls per year. I have this setup right now with a Panasonic wireless telephone set in all the rooms of my house and it works great.

I live in a brick house and have tried these 3 antennas with varying results
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ultra-Thin-Amplified-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B00DIFIP06/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1425590560&sr=8-2&keywords=amazon+basic+antenna

http://www.amazon.com/TERK-Amplified-Indoor-HDTV-Antenna/dp/B0007MXZB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425590646&sr=8-1&keywords=terk+antenna

http://www.amazon.com/RCA-Indoor-FM-HDTV-Antenna/dp/B000HKGK8Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1425590674&sr=8-2&keywords=RCA+antenna

I found that the cheap $10 RCA rabbit ears worked just as well as the more expensive ones. All 3 had difficulty bringing in a consistent broadcast of NBC but that probably has to do with where I'm located. If you don't mind the eye sore aesthetics I'd go with the RCA and then work your way up price wise if it doesn't bring in the channels you want. The TERK is an eye sore as well and has balance issues. The feet at the bottom aren't wide enough to balance the thick dipole antennas. And the amazon basics 50 mile high gain model didn't perform any better for the price difference in my circumstances.

Ok, thanks. It looks like you need an antenna with a range of at least 85 miles for Oklahoma City, Wichita, and Tulsa. They're in three substantially different directions. I would consider a 360 degree motorized rooftop antenna for that. Maybe something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Amplified-Digital-Motorized-Rotation-Infrared/dp/B004NQMCDK

If I was in your shoes that's what I would get because it should easily pick up a signal from around 80-85 miles away. If you're okay just pointing towards one city maybe something like this

https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-3020-Range-Antenna/dp/B000BSGCSA

but the directional one is only $35 versus $120 for the directional one.

Thanks for your help guys I'm thinking I need a roof mounted antenna and need to get the DC channels. I see that these are recommended with in the antenna guide Xtreme Signal HDB8X-NI 8-Bay VHF/UHF HDTV Channel Master CM-4228HD High VHF, UHF and HDTV Antenna will one of these work?

That's great. Thank you! Instead of buying the antenna and VHF retrofit kit, would this work:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00SVNKT86/ref=psdcmw_172665_t3_B00LHFRCMG

It appears to already have the VHF built in.

Thanks!

While looking at Channel Master, found this one.
Channel Master 4228

How does this rank among those other recommendations?

Right now the Clearstream is on first floor behind tv.

If I go with one of these attic ones, will that get me PBS and most of the other channels on that list?

Anything else to recommend? I have to wire out of attic for two TVs.

If it does NOT look like an antenna, then it is not. Sooooo many people get fooled by how the thing "looks pretty" but real antennas don't look pretty. They look like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-4228HD-High-Antenna/dp/B000FVVKQM

And this:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007RGG842

BTW hope you returned the antenna to the guy and left a 1-star review. Why? Because this antenna is rated "yellow" which is 10-15 mile range..... NOT 50.

Do some research on the Obihai for VOIP calling. All you need is a Google Vouce account and 50$ for the Obihai box. It's not hard to setup and it's free after the price of the hardware.

OBi200 1-Port VoIP Phone Adapter with Google Voice and Fax Support for Home and SOHO Phone Service https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BUV7C9A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YQaeBbD6WXWXY

What's the best under $100 indoor/outdoor VHF one? I was looking at this one on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FVVKQM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wf6fzb26PJF4W

I splurged and got this guy.

Expensive, but if you can swing it, the range & performance are fantastic.

I've been using an Asus router that has been working great. You can get one on amazon for $120.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B006QB1RPY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1421791773&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=41aq0FV8aqL&ref=plSrch

I have a similar mostly green profile as you and I am doing great with a used model of this antenna that I bought from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FL5500A-FlatWave-Amplified-Antenna/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/

Thanks everyone for their suggestions! Is there a huge different between the CM-2018 and this one https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BSGCSA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_OtvuDb51CQK7D ? I was looking at this one before I saw the post above, but this is one double the price. Worth it? Or the 2018 enough?

This is the antenna I have.

Winegard HD7698P HDTV High Band VHF Antenna https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DFTGRY?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

I’d like to get nbc, cbs, Fox, ABC

I don’t think my report is working. I hope this one works.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038bb04801342

I think I narrowed it down to this bundle and it's one that you linked. I was wondering if you recommend this bundle? If I do buy this bundle what type of pole should I buy as I will have to put the pole in the ground and mount the dish to it as I can't put anything on the house. A 2 inch diameter pole sound good? https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Satellite-Manhattan-RC-1978-Receiver/dp/B06XB2PS5J/

Check out the unamplified flatwave antenna. Agree with upofadown that you do not want an amplified antenna with that strong of signal. This should be exactly what you are looking for...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063705PE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0063705PE&linkCode=as2&tag=antennas04-20&linkId=HOUD23UHPV6SXDQQ

• Antenna: ClearStream V2
  
  
• Amplifier: RadioShack Generic Amplifier
  
  
• Antenna feed runs through our preinstalled wiring from ATT U-verse without any changes
  
  
• I build my parents a custom built HTPC/server upstairs in the master bedroom, downstairs has a pretty cheap Refurbished HP Slimline Desktop that also runs as a secondary server for video games if necessary.
  
  
• All computers run Windows Media Center (Win7 Professional) + Airfoil for my parents iPads
  
  
• Tuner is a SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network Tuner. This pumps the signal to the HTPCs. It runs via ethernet which the upstairs runs along the baseboard, and gets to downstairs via TrendNet Powerline AV Adapters at 200mbps.
  
  
• The upstairs "server" has several hard drives which Windows Media Center saves to. The downstairs computer has the Recorded TV folder on one of the drives mapped as a network share, essentially creating the Uverse-esque "whole home DVR"
  
  
• My room just has an additional video out from my PC running over a 25 foot HDMI cable to my TV.
  
  
• Any other TVs that don't need DVR functionality just have a straight antenna feed through the preinstalled wiring
  
  
• For wireless laptops, we use Ubiquiti Unifi access points that can keep up with the HDHomeRun's large network requirements.
  
  
• Master bedroom, main TV, and workout room all have Roku 2 XD's attached to them.
  
  
• Any remaining TVs / the occasional projector we bring out, we will connect to a Nintendo Wii that we have lying around for Netflix.

I'd do separate modem and router...that way if one fails the other doesn't (and usually when they're separate they do their one function better.)

The SB6141 is the recommended modem these days. I personally have a CM820 provided by my cable company (included with my internet) and it seems to be reliable as well.

Asus has been making some good routers lately, though I personally use a Netgear R6100 and it works good as well.

I'm planning on ordering this antenna later today. Thanks for your help.

I dropped U-verse a couple of months ago and at first went with a basic leaf antenna but I only got a handful of stations and they were often pixelated and would drop regularly. I moved up to this one Winegard FL5500A that was amplified and that made all the difference for me. Now I get 40+ stations but all I really wanted were the big networks and those come in crystal clear. The quality of the picture surpasses what I was getting with AT&T U-verse. Topography in my area is flat and my distance to the main tower is about 23 miles so your terrain could influence what channels you pick up. I put the antenna on an outside facing window about 8 feet up, the coax cable it comes with is almost 20 feet long so you have plenty of length to get into a good position for reception.

I went with the Winegard Flatwave Amped:

Winegard FlatWave Amped FL5500A Amplified Digital Indoor HD TV Antenna (OTA / High-VHF / UHF / Ultra-Thin / Black and White - Reversible / USB Power Supply) - 50 Mile Long Range https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_RUvOybCD22K2M

It works great for me, but I imagine it's all dependent on your area. Make sure you do your homework before selecting any equipment.

I've read a lot on Reddit recommending this; however I jumped on a deal ($40) for this one. I haven't received it yet, but really hoping it helps because I have trouble with NBC and ABC which are also VHF where I'm at.

Bright House Networks started requiring a cable box (or cable card) for everyone. I was using Windows Media Center to DVR shows, but my TV card doesn't take cable cards. So rather than get a new TV card and hope I can get everything working, I just cancelled and connected my DVR to an antennae.

I live way out in the suburbs so I don't get all my local channels but we have Netflix and Amazon Prime, we watch some shows on the network websites, and we added Sling TV, so we have more than enough to watch.

Are those attic mountable? I do have an attic I can place one in, I just wouldn't know what to do with the wiring

Is something like this viable? if placed in a window facing the right direction? It says 50 range. Much easier to set up, but I don't want to waste money if it's insufficient

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I bought an OBi200 VoIP Phone Adapter. I got a phone plan with Phone Power for $59.99/year. Ported my number to Phone Power for a $15 fee. Quite happy.

Get a free Google Voice number, slap it on one of these for $50, and you've got a home phone.

Thanks for this. Wasn't aware of the mapping factor. Re: The Channel Master, did you mean this one?


Since it's OOS through Amazon proper and per your edit, I might try this cheap Digiwave alternative to get my feet wet.

I have an Arris modern and a TP-LINK AC1200 C1200 router. This combination works great for my setup. TP-LINK C1200

I am in a similar issue. Stations are in two opposite directions and both are behind a hill. I used a bow-tie style antenna and an amplifier. This went from unwatchable to perfect reception. It could be mounted in an attic or mounted outside if the reception is spotty.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C4XVOOC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000WDR94U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Winegard FL5500A FlatWave Amped Digital HD Indoor Amplified TV Antenna (4K Ready / ATSC 3.0 Ready / High-VHF / UHF), 50 Mile Long Range https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_zmyIDbNB43XVD

Honestly the Amazon Essentials Performance Antenna should be able to work fine. Unless you are going an ultra budget route it's a great bet. It's non directional so it should pick up all channels within range and is no nonsense. It comes with two command strips for mounting on the wall. I thought I'd only get about 4 or 5 channels based on what TVFool told me and I ended up with 15.

Thanks gabstance! I am thinking of giving this one a try https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL5500A-Amplified-Ultra-Thin/dp/B00BN5Z2WM/ - Not sure if same as yours but most legit I could find. I don't see low-VHF on it anywhere but it should be an upgrade over the junk I bought earlier.

Edit: I checked with Winegard and a rep said none of their antennas pick up low vhf so I'm not just gonna throw money at it and hope.

Here is the antenna that I have in my garage rafters. I pull channels from over 120 miles away. If you were in your attic (multi story house) in theory the higher up you have it, the better your reception will be. It's worth the price.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FVVKQM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage

Actually this unamplified version is the one I would suggest trying.

You can pick them up at Home Depot, easily returnable if it doesn't work out.

You have to be careful with an amplified antenna and strong signals cause they could overload your TV's tuner and cause reception issues.

If you can get your monitor hooked-up to your PC, you could get any number of gadgets to receive ATSC digital TV. My favorite at the moment is the HDHomeRun network tuner.

But since it doesn't sound like an option or what you really want to do, here is the product for you: Kworld HDmi Dvi VGA Qam/atsc External Digital Tv Tuner Box Hdtv (links to various ebay listings)

While the latest WD TV Live (WD TV Live Streaming, Released 2011) is less than $100 it doesn't have Composite inputs.

The one before the latest (WD TV Live Hub, Released 2010) does have component and composite inputs but currently costs more than $150 on amazon.

Edit: The latest one does have a composite input.

I did the HDHomerun:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004HO58SO/ref=oh_o02_s00_i01_details
and: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HKGK8Y/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details

Works flawless!

https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL5500A-Amplified-Ultra-Thin/dp/B00BN5Z2WM

I saw someone post the link above in another thread but you suggested to consider spending less money haha.

I use Google Voice connected to an OBI box ( https://www.amazon.com/OBi200-VoIP-Phone-Adapter-T-38/dp/B00BUV7C9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485550994&sr=8-1&keywords=Obi200 ). Totally free phone service.

This clearstream 4, comes with a VHF antannea on it, anyone know how good that would be? or should I just get the separate one?

Get a powered amplifier, it will help strengthen the signal into it.

Also keep in mind, every split you will loose about 50% signal. A powered splitter would be a great investment IMO.

I have mine split into 4 HD Homerun Extends with no lose of signal using a ChannelMaster Splitter.

U want to use a pre amp right out of the antenna then in that closet u want to use an amplified splitter

Winegard LNA-200 Boost XT HDTV Preamplifier, TV Antenna Amplifier Signal Booster, HD Digital VHF UHF Amplifier https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DQN3R9O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_aIOUCb8Y0P3Z7

Channel Master CM3414 4-Port Distribution Amplifier for Cable and Antenna Signal https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001PI09SE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5IOUCbA1M57E5

Thanks for the feedback. They are on the 5th floor and face directly south.

Do you think this antenna, facing south, will still grab the CN Tower channels AND perhaps some of the US content?

Winegard Company FL-5000:
http://www.amazon.ca/Winegard-Company-FL-5000-FlatWave-Digital/dp/B0063705PE/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1412108703&sr=8-7&keywords=TV+antenna

I bought an antenna from amazon but I didn't get the vhf attachment for it, so i picked up this one. http://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direct-VHF-1-VHF-Retrofit/dp/B00LHFRCMG?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

Show them this:

https://www.amazon.com/Element-Bowtie-Indoor-Outdoor-Antenna/dp/B00C4XVOOC
http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/1475651.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-power-hog-20140617-story.html

Also, add up the cost savings over two years. That should be an eye opener.

As for the the PlayStation Vue, that seems awfully expensive. What channels do they really use? Maybe SlingTV with an AppleTV would work out better. Power wise, the 4th generation AppleTV will only use ~2.4W. It should use less than any other option, except the third generation AppleTV, which unfortunately does not support SlingTV at this time.

This is maybe a overkill:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DFTGRY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

But it is a good deal for Hi-VHF & UHF all depending what the TVfool report says.

I did go from 0/10 signal to 9/10 on a RF 7 channel 103miles away.
The old antenna was a Lo-VHF, HI-VHF, UHF 10" shorter.

How does an antenna like yours compare to one at a similar price point such as this?

Thanks.. Which Flatwave? The standard indoor flatwave? The Flatwave air looks like it is not for indoor use. Also two other versions..
http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL-5000-High-VHF-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0063705PE

I use the FAVI Entertainment Wireless Keyboard.

I've had all 3 and I prefer the Lenovo. The K400 is too big to be called a remote. The dinovo mini's track pad annoyed me because it's too easy to hit down when you mean right, etc. I currently use the Lenovo to control my Family Room HTPC and I keep the other 2 in a drawer.

Edit: I forgot I also had this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UE52ME/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 While it was OK, the build quality was pretty awful (cracked plastic, etc.) and the range wasn't great (blocked by furniture from 20 feet away).

I have had a IOGEAR GKM561R for a couple of weeks now and I like it. http://www.amazon.com/Multimedia-Keyboard-Trackball-Wireless-GKM561R/dp/B002H0BOBA/ref=pd_cp_e_3

something like this?

link.

Thank you for the response! It caused me to go back and confirm that yes, it is pre-amped with a built-in. I tend to forget that.
I agree. I read up on this today and it seems my splitting situation is drastically reducing the signal downline. To address this, I purchased this today: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PI09SE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'm thinking I will ditch the 2 splitters I showed you and install this off the power supply to the pre-amplifier. I will then split this signal 3 ways (leaving one port unused) to our 3 TVs we are primarily using.
This will basically leave me with the following setup: Signal --> Pre-Amplifier --> Distribution Amplifier --> 3 TVs

This this is the correct approach? Somebody else advised I setup 2 antennas on the roof, with one dedicated to VHF-Hi. I would rather not have to deal with obtaining and setting up an appropriately sized ladder again since it was a pain in the ass getting it 25ft up there in the first place.

I've got a WD TV Live(Get that one because for some reason the latest one does not get netflix) and it beats out the Roku in my opinion because it can play any external storage, and it can find computers with Plex installed on the network.

Yeah, I could find a way with the pole.


Since I live in Canada, this one is almost the same price, what do you think about it?

Plex is running on Windows 7. I don't have this issue with my Roku. It is updated. They are connected via a wired connection and I am selecting Media Shares > Plex for my source.

Let me give some SD a try, I will report back.

edit: the model

edit 2: So it doesn't happen on SD content. It happened after a minute with HD content (a roughly 1.3GB file TV show).

I picked up the WDTV Live about 2.5 years ago and it's worked flawlessly. It plays every file I've thrown at it so far which is exactly why I bought it. It also has a ton of 'apps' but I've never tried using any of them so I can't comment on that. I don't think the WDTV Live is well-received around here for some reason though.

I'll pay for the solution, she cannot mess with rabbit ears. She is in a wheel chair with limited mobility and eye sight. I don't think she even understands what the internet is.

I have prime, would this work?
https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-FlatWave-FL-5000-High-VHF-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0063705PE/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1469844975&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=lifeguard+flatwave+mini

This, although to elaborate, you need to obviously have a way to get the TV signal (specifically the channel you want) into the computer. To do that you need a tv tuner of some sort, although you don't necessarily need a card in the computer, you could go with a network based tuner like the SiliconDust HDHomeRun http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Definition-Television-HDHR3-US/dp/B004HO58SO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1X6E0A0LVR6GL&coliid=IZ68PKMJY53RZ
you do need some sort of tuner, which is what TheHater1 was answering you can't do it without a tuner, but you can do it without a card in your PC

hang this on the wall and you'll have a lot better reception.

Powered antennas are just no substitute for real aerials, even if you're using them indoors.

I tried all three of the amazon basics indoor antennas: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ultra-Thin-Extreme-Performance-Amplified/dp/B00DIFIP06

/u/WarpSeven /u/topcat5 /u/joeisalsocool /u/Mr_You

It's so weird - here's a 10 sec. video of the quality during the postgame on-field interview (about 11:40 PM last night):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSOsHKyAD4k

Here's the same channel this morning around 11:30 AM, everything replicated exactly the same (same lights on, sitting in the same spot, both while browsing on laptop):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDCgObsNXWY

Obviously there were other alternatives yesterday (Twitter), I just thought there might be something to it that a lot of people were probably watching the NFL game, but apparently not.

Hopefully it was just a blip. That's the first time it's happened since I moved the antenna to its current placement, for any channel. I'll just keep checking it this weekend (college games on CBS, NFL games on Sunday, next TNF game on CBS, etc.).

Edit: Actually this antenna is the Winegard FlatWave Amped FL5500A Amplified Digital Indoor HD TV Antenna (OTA / High-VHF / UHF / Ultra-Thin / Black and White from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BN5Z2WM/

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006QB1RPY/ref=oh_details_o02_s01_i04?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I just bought this router once I realized how little bandwidth I was able to utilize with my old one. Old one was speedtesting out at about 6 down. This on averages High 30's to low 50's. It's pricey compared to other options but if you are a cordcutter, use some of the money you will be saving for a top quality router.

I am a similar distance away from the NY towers in a different direction (NJ) and use the CM-4228HD antenna with the VHF retrofit kit from Antennas direct, and the UHF channels are rock solid, plus I can get channel 7 reliably. I am still unable to get channel 11 and their weak-ass signal.

Many voip services available. I have been with these guys for years. $1 / month to keep the number + usage.

You will need a box similar to this if you want to use standard phone. Otherwise you will need an IP based phone.

http://www.amazon.com/OBi200-VoIP-Phone-Adapter-T-38/dp/B00BUV7C9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463515156&sr=8-1&keywords=obi+100

I use this antenna, when using an antenna in the Attic always get the biggest one that will fit

I use this in my garage Attic and still suffer some stuttering on windy or rainy days

Winegard HD7698P Platinum Series Long Range Outdoor TV Antenna (Digital, 4K Ultra-HD Ready, ATSC 3.0 Ready, High-VHF, UHF) - 65+ Mile Long Range HD Antenna https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DFTGRY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_j8NPBbGHW6XWD

I would go with vue, simply because you have the 28 day cloud dvr option.

you have access to:

• HGTV
  
• TLC
  
• Food channel
  
• TBS (which has friends)
  
• TV everywhere, so you can watch TBS live on east coast and west coast feed. As well as other channels that are supported by tv everywhere.
  
  NOTE:
  
  
• no lifetime on vue or sling
  
• sling does not come with TLC
  
• Not sure what Southern fibernet offers
  
  I would wait till monday and get a fire tv on sale (hopefully) when amazon has prime day.
  
  
• Fire TV
  
  OR
  
  
• a roku
  
  AND
  
  
• windeguard antenna
  
• Hauppauge Tuner for xbox one
  
  ----
  
  
  
  

Non refer link. https://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-CM-3020-Range-Antenna/dp/B000BSGCSA