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Warning: this is a repost comment with slight changes personalised to your question. You might not need this all but it's here if you do.

A quick overview of the genres:

Post-Punk Goth Rock: start with the classic 80s bands which defined the genres sound:

Bauhaus - She's in Parties

Siouxsie and the Banshees - Cities in Dust

The Cure - A Forest

Second Wave Goth Rock: move on to the second wave of goth, where the sound became harder, and instead of having that post-punk sound, it started having a hard rock sound. This is usually just considered to be "goth", I'm just separating the two so you can hear the difference in sounds:

The Mission UK - Wasteland

Fields of the Nephilim - Moonchild

The Merry Thoughts - We Love To

Deathrock: listen to some deathrock (originating from the U.S, when Deathrock bands became big enough, they started to tour and directly influence the UK goth scene forming around the same time. Deathrock is a spookier and more horror version of punk):

Christian Death - Romeo's Distress

45 Grave - Evil

Specimen - Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Darkwave: the outgrowth of goth rock: darkwave (a term that used to be synonymous with goth but branched off into its own thing when goth bands started taking advantage of the drum machines and extra synthesizers):

Clan of Xymox - Jasmine & Rose

Diva Destruction - The Broken Ones

Switchblade Symphony - Gutter Glitter

Ethereal wave (ethereal wave is a branch of darkwave, and it’s described as being more “gothic” and “otherworldly.” It is represented by the 4AD music label)

Cocteau Twins - Half-Gifts

Dead Can Dance - Children of the Sun

Coldwave (a genre which formed in the 70s from France and Belgium, it’s described as using detached tone and minimal use of electronic instruments. Coldwave always tends to be mixed with something whether it’s synthpop, minimal wave, etc):

Asylum Party - Julia

Marquis de Sade - Wanda's Loving Boy

Bashung - Play Blessures (album)

and some very important songs which should have a special mention:

The song that defined the "goth rock" genre: Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's Dead

and the band who greatly influenced the genre: Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart

I also want to point out that goth + outgrowth bands have been producing, writing, creating, and releasing goth bands since the genre began and there are goth bands still making music. I always list the subgenres when I try and give a summary of the subgenre, but I also bring awareness to new bands in the subculture, too.

Check Bandcamp for goth bands such as NU:N, Lebanon Hanover, Dreamtime, This Cold Night, Dystopian Society, Fotocrime, TRAITRS, The Drowning Season, Cold Cave, ANKST, Masquerade, Strap on Halo, They Feed At Night, Angels of Liberty, Grooving in Green, and Bat Nouveau.

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My personal YouTube playlist is here and my Bandcamp is here. I don't know if this is any help, but this article can help determine the difference between goth and emo. If you're on Facebook, join Goth Subculture, When Goth Was *Actually* Goth, Goth Is Not Dead and Keep it Real, Keep it Goth.

If you want to freestyle goth/goth-friendly genres (sometimes they play industrial/electro/other), then listen to Nightbreed Radio.

Genres that aren't considered goth is anything that hasn't come from goth, so genres like darkwave and ethereal wave are because they grew out of goth. Electronic based and metal based genres are not because they are electronic and metal based. So this includes but isn't limited to experimental/electronic like EBM, futurepop, electro-industrial/aggrotech, neo folk and Gothic metal (I'll explain this if you want me to; just ask), symphonic metal, nu metal, power metal, black metal, Viking metal, etc.

Industrial is also considered to be an outgrowth of electronic and experimental music. Industrial was played alongside goth usually for revenue purposes, and because the genres were established/care into popularity around about the same time (industrial predates goth by about a couple of years though).

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If you want actual resources on the subject, I’d suggest:

On Goth Rock:

Undead Undead Undead, Alternative Press 1994

Vice - A Complete History of Goth

Origins of the term Goth

Dave Simpson on the return of Goth

Goth Rock 101

The Dark Wave of 80s Alternative Music

On Deathrock:

Women of Punk

Deathrock: a brief history

Deathrock History

On Coldwave:

New York - Beyond Goth

On Grey Rock:

1978's Attic: Portuguese Underground

Don't know if this is any use to you, but I've got some specific band interviews (especially of bands who have pioneered genres/are considered to be big names):

Alien Sex Fiend interview

Pink Turns Blue interview

Clan of Xymox concert review

Cold Cave - You & Me & Infinity article

Drab Majesty tour

Kommunity FK interview

Cocteau Twins

Story of 4AD (article on the label that signed a lot of ethereal wave bands)

This Mortal Coil newspaper

and this article on minimal wave, which isn't considered a goth genre but is mixed with darkwave, especially in a lot of newer bands.

If you want any physical resources on goth, I'd recommend Some Wear Leather, Some Wear Lace. It's the only book, I'd say, that you need on goth. It's by far the most accurate.

I could give you a list of inaccurate things to avoid, but I don't want to bring attention to them because people who like to spread misinformation might use them as "real resources" like they try and do with Urban Dictionary.

I hope that helps.

Oh my friend do I have the shoe for you. I just discovered it on amazon a week ago and they are the most comfortable kitten heel ever.

They are for someone with really particular taste, it’s a pointed slightly upturned toe, and a wavy heel with a sexy little slit in top that mimics a dress slit. I think they are the perfect mix of quirky and sexy. But it’s either your style or it isn’t.

Ellie Shoes Women's 301-VIVIAN Pump, Black, 10 M US https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B8T45FK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_3mWyCbM4H3ECQ

Also if you have a wider foot this is shoe is a gift.

I hope this works 🖤 congrats on the upcoming nuptials!

I'll start off with recommending the book "Gothic Charm School" (link brings you to Amazon)
It's definitely worth a read for Baby Bats. It'll answer a lot of your questions and also teach you how to deal the outside world (e.g. negative reactions, parents/relatives, employment) with your undying love of the subculture.

I strongly suggest getting into a lot of the music. Bauhaus and Siouxsie are a great start. A lot of people who replied have mentioned Sisters of Mercy, which is a good one. Clan of Xymox is another. The Cure is highly recommended, especially their "dark" albums (Pornography, Seventeen Seconds, Disintegration and Faith)

Post-Punk and New-Wave genres are worth a listen as well. They're popular in local goth clubs here next to the usual Goth Rock, Darkwave and EBM/IDM/Aggrotech music. Bands include: Joy Division, Depeche Mode, Echo & The Bunnymen, New Order.

My first and favorite goth album must be the Unquiet Grave 1 compilation; my dad and I used to listen to it all the time when I was a kid and I still do to this day. There are some bum tracks on it, sure, but there are many more great ones from artists I never would have found otherwise.

I'm not sure if it's your taste, but another recommendation I might make would be to try out Switchblade Symphony. In my opinion their album Three Calamities is the best, followed by Serpentine Gallery, and Bread and Jam for Frances.

Groups like Type O, NiN, and Manson are about as 'hardcore' as I get, so I won't be able to help you there. Hope this helps!

So if it isn't already black, I recommend a Japanese brand like Gatsby or Palty (I swear they're nicer).

After that, use some of the styling 'moving rubber' that Gatsby offers to style your hair.

As to hair care, condition WELL. Coconut oil is lovely, olive oil and avocado oil also help. Use a brush with smooth boar bristles and pegs combined. Tea Tree Oil shampoos assist in soothing your scalp and easing dandruff. An apple cider vinegar rinse once in a while is great for removing any weird buildup from product.

Amazon for Palty

That looks to be a lace blouse/shirt with cutwork. (Cutwork is an embroidery style where thread is used to hem and reinforce parts so the fabric can be snipped out in patterns.)

>like this but one solid pattern... if that makes sense

Do you mean you want a lace top without the cutwork, or a sheer/fishnet mesh effect without the lace pattern?

 

I found some options if you just want a simple layer under a corset.

Long sleeve lace top
https://www.amazon.com/Ooh-Sleeve-Stretch-Shirt-Blouse/dp/B00F8GT6ZG (More)

Long sleeve mesh top
http://wheretoget.it/look/2408643

Sheer mesh
https://www.amazon.com/Lip-Service-Gothic-Rocker-Fishnet/dp/B01LVYOYY1

Long sleeve sheer shirt
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-Summer-Hot-Sexy-Women-Blusas-Sexy-See-Through-Transparent-Mesh-O-Neck-Long-Sleeve-Sheer/32734273523.html

 

Edit: None of them quite match what you posted though. I can see even without the cutwork the holes are rounder and more irregular than fishnet, more like a fine irregular eyelet mesh.

Being a bit out of the loop with fashions and brands I'm unable to find an item specifically like that, but if all else fails - I recommend you get tights with a pattern you like and snip the feet and crotch to make an undershirt.

Also if you buy skinny jeans and like the aesthetic of straps
Like this for example,
Tripp Bumflap Pants - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DWHS5S8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_tpRwDbYFZMMJZ

My friend used to go to the fabric/craft stores and just buy clips/d-rings and straps or fabric to make straps and just make them ourselves. Also we would do the same with butt flaps, and then put a band patch on the butt flap. And sewing on zippers too

Idk what your style really would be but the prices on those pants now average $80-100+
If you buy $10 thrift store skinny jeans and then add DIY touches yourself you can DIY custom pants that are just as good if not better.

If you like studs or spikes you can also buy bags of them online and then add them yourself to clothing. Goths/punks/metalheads did it for rears. You had to do it because at first there were no brands of alt clothing, when they became a thing there wasn't a lot so you still did it to make something you can't buy, or just make it your own.

Now stuff is easy to get so no one DIY's much. But because of the raise in prices of clothing do to "popularity" etc I think more people are going back to DIY.

Even though I have more money then I used to as a teen I will buy thrift stuff or if I want a brand for boots or something I can't thift I try and find it used on eBay etc.
I don't even buy Killstar for clothing. I will buy them for a skull bag or something else I can't make or get on the cheep. I also find a lot of the women's clothing "cheesy" with statements and crap like that on them and so they aren't my style so much. Once again hope that helps

https://www.amazon.com/Vagabond-Womens-Black-Dioon-Boots/dp/B01L6ZYHO2/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=vagabond&qid=1549995300&refinements=p_89%3AVagabond&rnid=2528832011&s=gateway&sr=8-10 these aren't really over the top or too gothy but very comfortable and I think would bring just that extra flair you mean :) (I rly rly rly love these shoes)

My go-to is this foundation mix-in by Manic Panic:

Manic Panic Virgin Dreamtone Gothic Foundation Vampire White (1 fl oz) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004SUGXWC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_VEWGDbBFC8388

Unfortunately it doesn't work all on its own and has to be mixed with ordinary foundation, but if used this way, it works wonders. If you can find a good mousse foundation in your skintone (or lighter if preferred), mix an equal amount of the white with that on a beauty blender and then apply to your skin.

Of course, if you want more white, you can use more of the white stuff than normal foundation in your mixture.

Looks divine if topped with a white powder. :)

Okay first, get a better microphone. I use one of these, it's not great, but it's good for the price. And once you have said microphone, add more narration (e.g. what you're using, how you're applying it, etc.) Also, need to do something about the lighting, but that's not as easy of a fix, for now just make sure you're not shooting out the window to avoid that washing out from the sunlight. Aside from that you need to work on ending videos better, a good sign off also helps add a consistent element to videos.

Thanks!
Surprisingly, the jacket is from Amazon! Dark Chic sells a lot of their stuff on there :)
As for the vest, I borrowed if from my partner, and the button down shirt is just from H&M (their button downs are surprisingly cheap).
And the ascot and skull bat thing are of my own creation. I sewed the ascot and made the pendant I bought from Michaels into an ascot broach :)

Applause for you for having a willingness to explore the history of the subculture. It's really impossible to condense everything down into a reddit comment, y'know, but a wonderful resource that gives you a literal A-Z rundown of the gothic subculture and its evolution over time is Encyclopedia Gothica by Liisa Ladoucer.

Also, don't feel the need to slap the label upon yourself. You do you, y'know? But if you find yourself in love with the fashion, and all of the art that it reflects, be it movies or music or books, that's fuckin awesome.

PS- I'm a grown ass adult with a full time job in a factory. I wear black shorts with Bauhaus shirts but sometimes, I just wanna wear rainbow socks. I also listen to showtunes and 80's new wave music and shitty metal music. Don't force it. Just find what you like.

I have so many thoughts about this that I don't have time to go into right now, but have you read this book? It's not specifically about goth but it's about how the idea of rebellion itself became a commodified fashion statement. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rebel-Sell-Counter-Culture-Consumer/dp/1841126551

For a lot of bored middle class kids, affecting punk's anti-authority, edgy grittiness is a form of escapism in itself, I think. A way to dissociate themselves from their comfortable upbringings that they're embarrassed about. And then they sneer at working class people for having "bourgeois values" if they want a bit of beauty or style or romance (yes, maybe of a kitschy sort) in their lives.

Goth is about the music. A good book to read about the history of goth music is "Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-84" by Simon Reynolds. (UK version.)


> Punk's raw power rejuvenated rock, but by summer 1977 it had become a parody of itself. Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-84 is a celebration of what happened next--bands like Joy Division, Gang of Four, Wire, Contortions, Talking Heads, The Fall, Cabaret Voltaire, The Human League--who dedicated themselves to fulfilling punk's unfinished musical revolution. Based on over 125 interviews, Rip It Up offers a panoramic survey of the seven year period following punk, taking in everything from PIL to ABC to SST to ZTT, and dealing with genres including industrial, 2-Tone, synthpop, and goth.

Interviews include goth bands, but also bands that were influential to goth bands.

Bands like: Bauhaus. Siouxsie & The Banshees. The Cure. The Birthday Party. Killing Joke. Virgin Prunes. Theatre of Hate. Sisters of Mercy. Southern Death Cult. Throbbing Gristle. Whitehouse. Nurse With Wound. Clock DVA. 23 Skidoo. Husker Du. Mission of Burma. Meat Puppets. Psychic TV. Cabaret Voltaire. Coil. Foetus. Einsturzende Neubauten. Test Dept. Swans. Depeche Mode. (& more!)



http://ripitupinfohype.blogspot.co.uk/2007/08/info-on-rip-it-up-and-start-again.html

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rip-Up-Start-Again-1978-1984/dp/057121570X?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

I've had a few pairs of shoes do this to me, including a pair of platform Demonias. I found that epoxy (this stuff) worked really well to keep the sole on. When mine did it, only the sole came off, and the bottom part of the place where you put your foot stayed whole. Hopefully yours didn't rip or anything. If they did, I don't think epoxy will help without creating uncomfortable bumps under your feet. Good luck!

Not mentioned here, but some of my (obscure) absolute favorites:

Eyes of the Nightmare Jungle

Trance to the Sun

Brotherhood of Pagans

Terminal Gods

Also, good places to start, pretty much cover most of the basics:

https://www.amazon.com/Goth-Box-Various-Artists/dp/B000007OEP

AND

https://www.discogs.com/Various-What-Sweet-Music-They-Make-RIP-Thee-Vampire-Guild-Collection-Vol-3/release/1642301

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Absolutely! I saw them in San Diego at the World Beat Center, probably around 97 or 98? It was a great show.

FYI if you haven't heard it and like a more dance version, pick up the Apoptygma Berzerk Mix of Sweet: http://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Apoptygma-Berzerk-Mix/dp/B000QQ220O

http://youtu.be/_tIGELJ8B7Q

I listen to this album during the holidays.

Carol Of The Bells - Arcanta
Welcome Christmas From Dr. Suess' How The Grinch Stole Christmas - Love Spirals Downward
Oh Come All Ye Faithful - FuchiKachis Ethu
Carol Of The Bells - This Ascension
O Come Emmanuel - Area
The First Noel - Thanatos
Jingle Bells (Snowblower) - Loveliescrushing
What Child Is This? - Balderas & Osborn
Chanukkah, Oh Chanukkah - Black Tape For A Blue Girl
The Little Drummer Boy - Sorrow
We Three Kings - Lycia/The Unquiet Void
O Holy Night - Eva O
A Winter Wassail - Faith And The Muse
Stille Nacht (G)Rave Remix - Autopsia
Silent Night - Attrition

Ah ok, well I believe there's quite a bit of Cleopatra disc sets still available on ebay/amazon/discogs.

Usually called something like: Goth Box

Yeah, just found one: https://www.discogs.com/Various-Goth-Box/release/427454

https://www.amazon.com/Goth-Box-Various-Artists/dp/B000007OEP

Well i just checked Amazon Uk its on there but is price is 3 times what i paid
And the US Site is listed at a more reasonable
price
depending on your location ones a bargain