Let me give a bit of background. I had a 5.0 (plus another sub) from Pioneer (Andrew Jones) that I liked for about 2yrs. It was good but I struggled to hear dialogue (which is a common issue with the center speaker). Luckily/unluckily my kid knocked over a tower and damaged a tweeter so I upgraded to speakers that retail for substantially more (I bought them used with warranty if that matters). I can hear details that simply didnt exist with the old speakers. Again I didnt dislike the older speakers but if I compared them side by side there is no way I would ever want the old ones back. Sometimes me and my family or friends will literally just sit in my room listening to music until 2am on a weeknight just because it's fun to re-experience the music.

Your test may be flawed as you might be playing lower quality content. Some of it may just be your lack of time with both speakers. I would think a week with one pair then a week with the other pair will help you hear the differences. This does NOT mean you will like the more expensive ones more, or even if you do they are worth the price increase to YOU. With that being said we use my home audio setup for 6+ hours a day, and even my wife can tell a difference with my upgrades (especially the subs lol).

After re-reading your comment YouTube audio is not very good. If you want something free you can use a blueray you already have, or get a free account to spotify (which is not as good as the premium $10/month account). Pick a song and play it on youtube, then immediately play the song on spotify. I did this recently when I told my buddy I try to avoid audio on YouTube now. He liked the song on Youtube, saying it sounded good. Then when I put spotify on he was able to immediately hear the difference. This is not an audiophile or someone with a home theater even, and he could tell the difference and said it was drastic (and this was with the free account).

The best thing for you to do is go listen to a few different types of speakers. Klipsh, Definitive Technology, B&W and Martin Logans are all at Best Buys with the Magnolia room, and all have different sound signatures. If you are interested you can check AVSForum for people near you that are willing to let you hear their setup. I did that with quiet a few people before I decided on my speakers. Ultimately what I decided was for Home Theater you want a good center channel and a great subwoofer. I heard Atmos and it was neat, but for ME I would rather have speakers that do better with music and not have the Atmos.

This isnt much different than picking a car. Not all cars are bad, even cheap ones, but they all serve different purposes. Defining your purpose goes a LONG way to figuring out which one(s) would work for you.


Also with all of that being said, I would likely DIY my next 5.1 if I was doing it all over again. LoL

I use my home audio/theater a LOT, so the marginal increase in cost was more justified for me, as I have since added dual 18" subwoofers and the more expensive LCR. I will be replacing the surrounds soon, but they really dont add much to the whole experience as long as they arent distorting.

I looked it up and you have dome tweeters so don't get anything with a horns such as Klipsch. However they are from a home theater in a box which generally speaking aren't great. My suggestion is you should get the center now but plan on buying the matching left and right as soon as you can. The issues you could run into with running miss matched from stage (LCR) is timber imbalance where sounds don't have the same volume or pitch so sounds traveling across your front stage could sound like aaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaa. My suggestion is listen to some bookshelf speakers and find ones you like then buy the center that matches them. Here are some options I found on Amazon but going to local shops to listen would be best:

• Fluance XL7C they are a Canadian company and make products that are great for what they cost this is $10 over budget though
  
  
• Sony Core Series center known to be a smidge bright I believe in store at best buy
  
  
• Pioneer SP-C22 Andrew Jones is a well regarded speaker designer and most of his products have a sound signature that's well liked
  
  
• Micca MB42X-C the cheapest you could go
  
  
• Polk CSR Polk is a good brand haven't heard anything about these however in store at best buy
  
  
• Paradigm Cinema 110 C heard good things about this brand don't know how their entry level stuff is
  
  I'd look up what the matching bookshelf speakers cost and factor that in as well.

Obviously there is a lot to this so here are just a few suggestions/preferences:

1. Consider using this projector, it's great and half the price. The Epson isnt twice the projector. If you havent used projectors before, then do not underestimate the amount of heat they generate. They are wonderful but you will feel the heat
   https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-DLP-1080p-Projector-W1070/dp/B00A2T6X0K
   
   
2. If you can, use the same speaker for your right/left and center. Place them at the same height with the right/left distance creating an equilateral triangle with your primary listening position
   
3. Save money, dont buy a screen, use the wall and white paint. Internet search this topic to find more info. Obviously if you have matching LCR speakers at the same height then youll have to account for the center speaker's height. Again this is the ideal situation. Whatever works best for your room works best for your room
   
4. I know Denon is name brand but Ive read a number of mix reviews. My preference is Yamaha, lots of happy Yamaha receiver customers including me
   
5. Consider buying a used speaker system to get the best speakers possible. Speakers and subs are really what make your system come alive. Also consider getting two subs instead of one. Use the savings suggested above to invest in the best possible sound system

In your shoes i would suggest doing a 2.0 or a 2.1 if you can squeeze a little more juice out of your wallet. Explanation: a 2.0/ 2.1 will give you a far better sound quality with a dedicated amp/receiver and external speakers rather than in all in one sound bar type unit. although you don't crank your system sound quality is important and will be better out of this set up too. And lastly you then have the availability to upgrade and expand your system later on. I know these were posted once but here why.

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4 great price point, great sound quality. I think the rest of this sub would agree these are a fantastic speaker for the price. They are rear ported, the closer to the wall the more low end you will get from them.

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-S500BT-Receiver-Capability-Bluetooth/dp/B00JR6GJLW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415645951&sr=8-1&keywords=AVR-S500BT Big fan of denon, they make great receivers starting from the bottom all the way to high end. built in bluetooth, powerful enough to handle a slightly bigger speaker if you want to upgrade later

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M If you have the money or the want, this is a great subwoofer for the money. Fairly clean, pretty crisp, not real muddy.

I ended up tightening my budget quite a bit on this new home theater, so some of my choices aren't as nice as what I had before, but I'm very happy with what I got in the end. I want to thank everyone who gave me advice in my last post here. It was all very helpful!

I went with a 65" Samsung 120Hz smart TV. I decided against getting the 240Hz because I couldn't see a difference between the two when looking at it, and the 3D makes my wife sick in any case. That saved me almost $500.

For the receiver, I took everyone's advice and opted away from the all-in-one set I'd been looking at. Instead, I got a great price on a Pioneer VSX-824 that I've been very happy with.

I know the Denon reciever is what everyone recommended, and it's what I bought at first, but strangely enough my PS3 didn't work with it. It worked just fine connected to the TV directly, and other devices worked with that HDMI cable and port, but the PS3 just told me to go fuck myself. A quick google search told me that it's a flaw in the way the HDMI handshake works with Denon receivers, so back it went.

I went with Pioneer speakers as well, hooking up a
pair of tower speakers for front left and right, a pair of matching bookshelf speakers for the rear, and the matching center speaker.

The subwoofer will have to wait, for now, but the plan is to purchase the matching subwoofer when we're ready.

Instead of the Harmony Ultimate, which didn't seem to get any good remarks, I opted for the much cheaper Harmony 650, which has made my wife very happy. No more frayed tempers about what button does what on which remote. I'm even buying my parents one for Christmas.

I'm hugely pleased with the upgrade over my previous setup, even if it's not everything it could have been. What do you all think?

If you're willing to stretch your budget just a bit more, the BenQ w1070 is raved for it's price range and will compete with many pricier projectors. It's selling for $585 on amazon at the time of this post. There are newer models of it, but it was the gold standard <$1k projector when I was shopping around a year ago. Otherwise, the Optoma HD142X is also well received, athough again $48 over your price range. I personally purchased an Acer H5380BD a year ago around $400, with a factory refurb currently selling on amazon for $280 (steal price!!). If you're buying new though, I'd recommend stretching out for the w1070, or newer BenQ generation if you can save up to the $700 mark. The w1070 is worth the extra cash compared to my Acer, but I do enjoy my Acer quite a bit and would jump on that refurb if you're comfortable purchasing a refurb. Things have changed in the past year though, so might help to do a quick search on wire cutter or other sources for newer tech.

ninja edit: if the BenQ was <$600 when I got my Acer, would have purchased without a doubt. It was around $750 when I was holding out for it but got too impatient.

double edit: Acer 5382 is a brigher version of the 5380 for $420. These are 720p though and I'd still recommend the BenQ. As someone else mentioned, H6510BD is a solid projector as well, but the BenQ w1070 was repeatedly named best value for a reason.

Ok. So you don't need to push a ton of wattage through your mains and a decent, but not insane, sub will do.

My, personal opinion, recommendations.

Receiver(In no order. These are just brands I respect with good enough features and wattage):

1. Harmon Kardon. $329.00 . http://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-AVR-1700-Network-Connected/dp/B009HB2USI/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383147455&sr=1-5&keywords=harmon+kardon
   
   
2. Denon. $259.00. http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1613-Channel-Receiver-Networking/dp/B007R8U5QW/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383164105&sr=1-3&keywords=denon
   
   
3. Onkyo. $259.00. http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-8050-Network-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B004UR486G/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1383163556&sr=1-9&keywords=onkyo
   
   I have always had good to great experiences with the above brands. If looking stylish is at all important, do the Harmon Kardon. Also, in my experience, HK power is very very clean. All of these include wireless networking and HDMI switching. I would buy the denon personally. But, I'm biased towards denon.
   
   Subs:
   
   
4. Velodyne. $399.00 http://www.amazon.com/Velodyne-Impact-10-10-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B001GON5AG/ref=sr_1_4?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1383163718&sr=1-4&keywords=subwoofer
   
   
5. Klipsch. $399.95. http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Synergy-Sub-10-Subwoofer-Black/dp/B00D65QYMO/ref=sr_1_23?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1383163849&sr=1-23&keywords=subwoofer
   
   When it comes to these two subs, it's a crap shoot deciding which to get. Velodyne and Klipsch subs are both fantastic. I'm leaning, personally, towards the Velodyne. But that's just me.
   
   So, in conclusion, you had a budget of $800 dollars. If you did the Denon or Onkyo and one of these subs that puts you at 650. As a bonus, here's a used KEF center channel for 150 bucks on Ebay. It would give you 3.1 channel.
   
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/KEF-HTS3001-Piano-gloss-Black-2-Way-Uni-Q-3000-Series-center-channel-Speaker-/281195898826?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item417894e7ca
   
   Also, do yourself a favor and get something similiar to this:
   http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Remote-Control-Silver/dp/B004OVECU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383164516&sr=8-1&keywords=harmony+remote
   
   It will replace all the remotes in your system and make switching from TV->Games->DVD much easier with Macros.

1. If using your current receiver, yes.
   
   
2. Yes, a large improvement, especially in dialogues clarity and bass.
   
   
3. That's fine, that just limits you to Dolby Digital 5.1/DTS 5.1 (no DD Plus or lossless audio like TrueHD/MasterAudio, but you likely won't be able to hear the difference). Since you have a game console, that's probably the best route if you care about Game Mode (HDMI 5 for game mode, HDMI 1 for HDR). However, HDR/Game mode should be the only picture differences.
   
   However, being in Canada does have some heavty restraints. What I would do is buy Fluance speakers (a Canadian company). Three options they have are:
   
   

• AV 5.0 bookshelves for $200 CAD, the smaller ones should be comparable to Micca MB42X's.
  
  
• AV 5.0 towers for $340 CAD, same quality but with towers up front.
  
  
• SX 5.0 towers for $540 CAD, better quality speakers. I would suggest getting these.
  
  A good subwoofer is hard for Canada, even OK ones are >$200 CAD (~$300 CAD for the BIC F12). So, if you don't want to drop that much, just save up for one.

Here are your options as I see it.

1. Soundbar - Keep what you have and add in a small subwoofer. Something like the ML Dynamo 300 $120, Dayton Sub 800 $100, Dayton Sub 650 $110, or a Polk PSW111 $185 and a sub cable. You would be surprised what a sub can add to the overall experience.
   
   
2. 2.1 setup - You would need an AVR $230 refurb $190 and a set of speakers $90 and one of the subs above. This will give you a great entry level setup that can grow in the future. You should be able to fit the speakers on either side of the TV as they are pretty small. If you can then you can put them below the TV on a shelf.
   
   
3. Passive soundbar - KEF HTF7003 refurb $300 pair this with the AVR and sub of your choice from above. It's a soundbar but not really you'll need the AVR to power it as it's passive and just really three speakers in one package. Mount it below the TV.
   
   
4. 5.1 set - Yamaha Set $135 with an AVR. I would hook up only the front to or three for now. These speakers are certainly small enough to mount on either side of the TV and you can put the center either on the wall of a shelf below the TV. The sub is small and should fit on that front wall as well. While lesser quality speakers the ability to mount them on either side of the TV is a huge plus. The larger separation will make them sound better than just cramming everything under the TV. * An upgrade from this would be to get this Boston 5.0 set $200 and a sub linked above. They should fit on either side of the TV as the are small and should sound way better than the Yamaha sats.
   
   I would forget the rears for now unless you rearrange the room. I stayed with entry/budget gear since there was not budget given. If you have a large budget everything can change.

Yes, the general consensus among audiophiles is that Bose is overpriced and soundbars are very underwhelming. "Real 5.1 sound" cannot (yet) be achieved without a real 5.1 setup. Most HTIB (Home Theatres in a Box) will give you better sound than a soundbar.

I own this 5.1 Pioneer speaker setup found here and I highly recommend it to anyone that is looking for a good entry level home theater setup. Shop around and you can get a fantastic deal on the whole setup. I got the 5.0 setup for less than $300 and then upgraded to a $200 BIC 12 sub to get the 0.1.

You will then of course need a decent reciever (about $250) and cables and you will blow any speaker bar out of the water. I am not certain if this is within your budget since you only quoted "cheaper than bose" but I have seen this exact setup recommend many times before and I feel it is one of the best values for the price.

Edit: I was way under your budget. You could definitely do better than this setup at your price range.

The best "non-smart TV" will probably be a projector but the best ones, much like the Ferrari discussion below, are tailored because they know people are getting just the display.

I think the reason you're getting flak is that you're asking, effectively, "I want a car in the Camry price range that is tailored to the way I drive." TV producers, and Camry producers, are going to make something that caters to the highest number of people not something that fits the pro-sumer market. Pro-sumer TVs just don't exist. They will never fit the use case of enough people to be justified. The closest thing out there are the commercial displays, but those are for digital signage (again, suited to the use case) and far beyond your price range.

If you've got a good home theater setup with surrounds and etc, get a projector. Here's a good one for $730. Then get a 120" entry level motorized screen and for $840, you no longer have a Smart TV, and have a 120" display (or there about).

At that level of budget, you simply don't have a lot of wiggle room. You'd be pretty much limited to stereo (2.0), and you'd likely have to get the most budget of budget speakers (probably Dayton B452's).

A better compromise may be a decent pair of powered speakers like the Fluance Ai40, Edifier R1280DB or Micca PB42X. Another option would be to get a mini amp like the Dayton DTA-2.1BT2 and pair it with passive bookshelfs like Micca RB42's or MB42X's.

There are other audio "solutions" out there, but nothing that we would suggest in good faith around here. My honest advise is to wait and save up for a more robust budget so you can invest in quality stuff that will last you longer.

2 speakers will be stereo, if the receiver has virtual surround settings, sure you could use that. Or at least add a center channel too.

Receiver:

Denon AVR-S530BT $150 refurbished 5.2 with HDCP 2.2 for 4K HDMI.

Denon AVRX1400 $300 refurbished, 7.2/5.2.2 adds Audyssey MultEQ XT.

Speakers:

AverageJoe's List, r/HTBuyingGuides Speaker Recs, Bill_Money's Speaker Recs

Budget: Dayton Audio B652-AIR 6-1/2" 2-Way Bookshelf Speaker with AMT Tweeter Pair $50

On sale: Polk Audio Signature S20 $250

On sale : ELAC Debut 2.0 B6.2 $250

Check out Internet Manufacturer Direct for a good band for the buck with 30 day in home trials. Try 2 or 3.

HTD.com Level Three are a good popular choice. $25 shipping and free returns on your first order.

Chane A Series $340 + $25 shipping.

Ascend CBM-170 $300 + $30 shipping. Neutral sound with a flat frequency response. Best budget audiophile and home theater speakers I have found and own for under $500. Great highs, mids and lows. Nothing missing, nothing overly accentuated.

Don't forget Speaker wire, self adjusting wire strippers or basic.

Speaker Stands: Monolith by Monoprice $50 to $70 each. Fill-able with lead shot or sand. Monoprice Glass (pair), Black, Sanus Basics. More at Audio Advisor.

Budget Subwoofer: Dayton Audio SUB-1200 12" 120 Watt Powered Subwoofer $150. Great subwoofers start around $500 or look for a used HSU or SVS.

More Guides: How to Set Up a Basic Home Theater System - Lifewire, r/HTBuyingGuides FAQ, r/HTBuyingGuides, How to Set Up Your Home Theater Receiver, Speaker Placement for Home Theater, Crutchfield Guides.

You can get the same receiver you listed from Accessories4Less for $169. So that saves you $90

I would also take a look at the Dayton SUB-1200 or SUB-1500. Both are well reviewed, and several redditors have used them in budget systems lately, with very good results. Say you go with the 1500, that saves you $40.

Are tower speakers essential? If so, I'd personally recommend the Infinity Primus p363 for your L/R. Much higher rated than the BIC, with fewer build quality issues. There are reports of the BIC speakers being top heavy, poorly fitting vinyl veneer, and rattling grills. In addition, horn speakers tend to be a "love it or leave it" sound. Even at the higher price the p363's are at, is still a superior speaker, or you could wait to see if they go on sale again. There are two Infinity center channel speakers, one for $199.95 and one for $149.95. With the savings from the other components, you could get either one.

If bookshelf speakers are an option, that opens up a whole lot of speakers that are superior to the BIC, especially if you're crossing over to a sub. The Emp Tek r5bi at $225/pr new or $182/pr Scratch and Dent has a rabid following here, and very favorable reviews just about everywhere. The matching r5ci is also highly recommended. There are alternatives from Chane (currently backordered), Home Theater Direct, and plenty of other Internet Direct and Brick and Mortar options.

If you have to have horn speakers, but bookshelves are an option, I'd take a look at the Hsu Research HB-1 at $159 ea. Or Klipsch bookshelves.

Craigslist tends to be hit-or-miss depending on the area you're in. I'm in the Plains states (SE IA) and don't really see much on the used market. Someone closer or in major metro areas (Chicago, Seattle, LA, etc.) will have better luck. However, I'd stick to speakers unless you or a buddy knows electronics repair. You don't get any warranties buying used, so caveat emptor.

Last thing, I personally wouldn't buy Pyle products even if you held a gun to my head. I'd take a look at Dayton Audio, Monoprice, Home Theater Direct, or even Polk before I'd buy Pyle. The other option is to sink that money into the fronts for now, and buy the surrounds later. It's not like the holes are going to fill themselves in. The other thing to look at is Dolby Atmos. You could set up a 5.1.4 system using the in-ceiling positions, and use bookshelf speakers for the rear channel.

Now, this isn't a huge knock against BIC speakers. Many people have them and like them. I just think that there are better solutions out there, especially if you can use bookshelf speakers.

Awesome. Thank you for your help. The more and more I look into it, i'm starting to like the Pioneer SP-PK52FS setup. The reviews seem to be great, and i like how everything is included. What are some of the drawbacks of going with a pre-packaged system like that instead of purchasing everything separately? Could i find a better system for the same, or even less money if i was to put it together piece by piece? Thanks again!

>thanks for your answer and yes money is a lil tight.
that being said you mentioned that the HTIB speakers are trash and won't work but you didn't mention if the other two big speakers from the LBT-ZX66i would work...would they?? i am willing to upgrade everything (over some 5 months time) but do you think i could start with just a receiver and the 2 big speakers? if so, what would you recommend?

Not the one who gave you that answer but I did some checking on that system and the speakers are 6 ohm and use bare speaker wire so yes you could use them until something better comes along. if your budget for a receiver is in that $268 range here's a Denon S510 5.1 receiver from an authorized online seller for $259 with free shipping. No Dolby Atmos, Wi-Fi , Bluetooth or ARC but it has Audyssey room correction and is a good entry level receiver.

You could also go factory refurbished through AC4less and get a bit more featured receiver for the money and have a 1 year factory warranty instead of the new S series 2 year. Again I'd recommend the Denon, Marantz or Yamaha receivers for their room correction software.

Denon AVR S510BT 5 2 AV Receiver HDCP 2 2 Full 4K Ultra HD Bluetooth AVRS510BT 883795003674 | eBay
http://m.ebay.com/itm/DENON-AVR-S510BT-5-2-AV-Receiver-HDCP-2-2-FULL-4k-Ultra-HD-Bluetooth-AVRS510BT-/281739265239?nav=SEARCH

EDIT: and a comparable Yamaha receiver.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00V5VJ3TM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467359090&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=yamaha+rx-v379







>sorry for so many questions.

Nothing to be sorry about. Questions to me mean a willingness to learn and that's always a good thing.

Sony Muteki LBT-ZX66i Specs - CNET
http://www.cnet.com/products/sony-muteki-lbt-zx66i/specs/

So I've been thinking about my situation some more, and being cognizant of the fact that the sound quality will be inferior in a prepackaged system, I think getting one makes the most sense for me due to budgetary constraints and overall convenience. I like the idea of building a system over time, but I don't think I'll be able to commit resources to building it up like that. I probably won't ever get around to upgrading anything. Also, as a bit of perspective for me, I've been using a basic stereo system (5 CD changer kind of deal) for the last 13 or 14 years... so I think a prepackaged system would still present a pretty significant upgrade for me...

With all this in mind, and resigning myself to the disadvantages of a prepackaged system, which of these seems like the best option?

The aforementioned Sony system?

This Onkyo system?

Or this other Sony system?

Thanks so much for your help!

To be direct - the speakers are junk, but in all seriousness if you like them that is all that matters.

Most people have never heard good surround sound, so most things will sound better than an internal TV speaker.

A good setup will cost you about $750 - $1000. Which is less than a good TV. Audio is just as important as picture to most of us.

For a receiver I recommend a Denon x2200 - $500
Denon AVR-X2200W 7.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD A/V Receiver with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZPTBNXY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_KwWxyb03K5H3H

If you want to stay with the same size speakers, I recommend the Monoprice 5.1 - $250
Monoprice 10565 Premium 5.1 Channel Home Theater System with Subwoofer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EOZFUYI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2tWxybG13S019

If you want slightly bigger speaker I recommend the Pioneer Andrew Jones 5.1 - $450
Pioneer SP-PK52FS Andrew Jones 5.1 Home Theater Speaker Package https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IK8I9K2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_svWxybHZANTBT

1. as others have stated no, i think connecting the PC to whatever you end up doing for the TV setup is the best option. However if you wanted just some simple PC stuff, these work great
   
   
2. if you want the best bang for the buck, no question anything on here will blow any speakers under 1k out of the water. Add in any one of these bundles with an iNuke amp and you'll be hard pressed to buy anything for 3x the cost that will touch it. find a friend with some clamps and glue, a quick couple coats of paint and you are on your way in a weekend project. if that option is not appealing, this is a good list to get some really good bookshelf speakers i wouldnt bother with towers since you will likely use a subwoofer thus negating any real need for full range speakers. if you can swing the cost, power sound audio (psa) has some really great stuff, 3x MT110's and you'll be smiling ear to ear. good subs can be had from the internet direct companies, hsu, psa, rythmik, reaction audio...etc. as you've said before do it right the first time, i personally wouldn't buy anything smaller than 2x12 or 2x15's. seems large now, but you'll regret anything smaller. multiple subs helps get the most out of a room, but in a small room like yours, 1 may be fine.
   
   
3. the speakers above certainly could use a sub, but again, get the good stuff for the tv and when you want to crank more than what the micca's provide, flip it over to the receiver and have at it

First, since everything is already wired, you need to make sure you get a model that works with your screen size and mounting distance.

I like this calculator: http://www.projectorcentral.com/projection-calculator-pro.cfm

Good luck!

Next, most reviews say the best entry-level DLP projector is the BenQ W1070 or the updated W1075. If you watch for a sale you can get them very close to your price range.

https://amzn.com/B00A2T6X0K

https://amzn.com/B00LTMPOUO


The main reason they are so well reviewed is they are one of the few entry level projectors that have a true RGBRGB color wheel. This results in a lower listed brightness (because they don't have a clear segment to cheat the test), but a greater perceived brightness during actual use. They also have better color balance without calibration right out of the box.

In a blacked out room they should be more than bright enough.

Here is what I would go for. I plan to upgrade to this sub and this 5.1 setup. I'll probably use my micca mb42x for rears though. They are currently my fronts. But the dipoles I listed look awesome. You can use most bookshelves for rears so you can easily adjust your budget accordingly. Some just mount on the wall easier than others.

Receiver $200-$250 new or refurb Denon

Fluance sx6 $130 (also in black)

Fluance center $80

Fluance bipole rears $120

Bic America Sub $180 or Dayton 1000 for $109

EDIT: So you can easily get this under $700 or even $600 depending on what kind of rears you want, or the sub. Even a cheaper receiver can be found depending on what you want. Also amazon has a great return policy so I almost always go with used in good condition. They give heavy discounts on refurbs just for an item that gets opened and returned.

Most people will say you're better off with a real receiver. They're right. I've been through this scenario you are describing. The problem is that the bluray player is your "receiver". At the same time, it has no HDMI inputs. So all your components (Xbox, whatever else) have to plug into the TV, and then the sound is sent out to the bluray receiver through the optical.

Can it be done? Yes. But most TVs do not passthrough 5.1 via optical, which means your TV will likely spit the signal out as stereo. Your bluray will probably take a stereo signal and split it artificially into 5.1, but it's not the true surround you had coming out of the Xbox. The only time you will get true surround is when watching a bluray.

The other issue is the speakers. Most of these systems have a proprietary connector on the receiver that prevents you from easily connecting new speakers. That means when you outgrow the system or want to upgrade you have to completely replace the system. Mine was donated to a friend.


You're better off with a real receiver. Even this system would be better, since it has a real receiver and the speakers could be upgraded.

Onkyo HT-S3500 660 Watt 5.1-Channel Home Theater Speaker/Receiver Package https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0077V88V8/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xnJ-ub0XM6VGY
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0077V88V8/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_xnJ-ub0XM6VGY

With that budget I'd opt for a 3.1 system. I'd also opt for better speakers and a better receiver. My choices:

Receiver $500: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxa850bl/yamaha-rx-a850-7.2-ch-x-100-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html

L/R mains $480: https://smile.amazon.com/MartinLogan-LX16-Piano-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B0061LG5H4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1466179809&sr=8-5&keywords=martin+logan+motion

Center $360: https://smile.amazon.com/MartinLogan-Motion-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0035FZ13I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466179809&sr=8-2&keywords=martin+logan+motion

Subwoofer $570: http://www.rythmikaudio.com/LV12R.html

All top quality. The receiver is plenty good enough to stay with you until it is obsolete. The speakers/subwoofer should last for decades. The AMT tweeter on the speakers is sublime and the LV12R subwoofer is an incredible bargain and very, very nice sounding.

As an aside, a 5.1 system uses side mounted surround speakers not rear mounted (which would be a 7.x system and would require a minimum of 6 feet behind the seated position to work properly.) When the time comes that you want to experience full surround you can opt for a pair of Martin Logan Motion 4s at around $400 or save yourself the expense and pick up a pair of Micca MB42x speakers for $90 and have a very capable 5.1 system.

I'm a fan of a Yamaha with Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, great value all around, this is what I recommend to people who are starting out:

• https://smile.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V379BL-5-1-Channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B00V5VJ3TM
  
• https://smile.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-PK52FS-Theater-Speaker-Package/dp/B00IK8I9K2
  
  Depending on other recommendations you might want to get a 5.0 set and go with another sub. Stay safe out there!
  
  EDIT: For the DJ bits you could go with a 1/4" to RCA so people could just plug their phones in, using bluetooth for that would probably suck. Maybe a chromecast audio if you want people to just be able to cast to it to have a jukebox like effect.
  
  EDIT 2: The Pioneers also come in all bookshelf too, which might make more sense to save space: https://smile.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-PK52FS-Theater-Speaker-Package/dp/B00LBI88IQ?th=1

Gave these a try at my Best Buy. They sound pretty amazing given the size.

Is the Sony receiver I'm looking at good or should I reconsider that as well? Also thinking about the Yamaha-RX-V379 or the Denon-AVR-S510 as other options.

Thanks, after looking at the speakers you linked I decided on the SX6 with the MartinLogan Sub! =) For the receiver I am doing a Denon with bluetooth. I am grateful for your input! No wonder they call you the Home Theater Guru!

One last question, for speaker wire what type of guage do I need to get the best sound? Thanks in advance!

Nice! First thing i noticed was 3 remotes. When i first started my very first setup one thing that changed my life was this remote right here: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Infrared-Universal-Programmable/dp/B004OVECU0/ref=sr_1_19?crid=2EXCQYES8ZHGZ&keywords=logitech+remote&qid=1565108225&s=gateway&sprefix=logitech+r%2Caps%2C206&sr=8-19

It was inexpensive on black Friday @ BB for about $20-25 some years ago. It controls 8 devices including, at the time a bought it, the PS3 ( needed an $10 adapter though). Really easy to set up and they still work perfect. Been almost 10 years.

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But a really nice clean set up.

Having a Sony TV has zero impact on whether you get Sony speakers.

For Pioneer, the left, right, and center speakers combine will cost you $192:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008NCD2EI/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008NCD2LG/

For Sony, the left, right, and center speakers combine will cost you $296:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8YLNRS/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8YLMVA/

For reference, if you wanted the floor standing options for either it will be an extra $100-150 in either case.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00O8YLL8E/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0798YNCQ1/

I will assume you will go with bookshelf speakers for now and the Sonys. That means that your AVR, speaker cable, left, right, and center channels combined come to about $500.

That leaves about $500 for a subwoofer. That is a nice chunk of change for a really nice subwoofer.

First, are you certain you want a premium subwoofer like that? Second, are you concerned that you may disturb your neighbors in an apartment building with a subwoofer?

Personally, I would save my money and get the BIC America F12. It is an absolutely excellent subwoofer for $200 and is likely already overkill for your needs:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015A8Y5M/

Receiver: Denon X1300W - $319 at A4L.

Fronts: BIC DV64 Towers - $115.75/ea at Amazon

Center: BIC DV62CLS - $104.89 at Amazon

Subwoofer: BIC F12 - $195 at Amazon

Surrounds: BIC DV62si - $119.95/pair at Amazon

I just did a setup similar to this for my basement (except I went with cheaper Daytons for surrounds so I could experiment with 7.1). I have to say, these BICs are absolutely fantastic for the money, and the whole system really came alive after running Audyssey.

Upstairs I have the Pioneer FS52/C22/BS22 setup, and the BICs are far better in my opinion. That Pioneer setup gets recommended a lot as a good entry-level setup, but in my opinion it just isn't that fantastic. The FS52 towers are great for music, but the center is lackluster and sounds "empty" in comparison for movies.

Well it really does depend on your budget. If you're going the 3.0 route I would go with the Andrew Jones Pioneers ($250 a pair) with the matching center ($95). If thats a little too expensive you can get the bookshelf version for $99 for the pair.

There's this also this Fluance 5.0 set for $250 and while I've heard good things especially for the price, I haven't actually heard the speakers themselves.

Polks are fine if you can get a real good price, but there are better options out there. Check out Craigslist.

If you can spend a little more then these are susposed to be the best for your money right now Chane A1rx-c, but you'll be paying around $500 for a 3.0 setup.

Here's what I'd do on as small a budget as reasonable:

Reciever

Speakers: Pick from some of these - Pioneer; Wave Crest Audio; Micca


Alternatively, you could go for a powered monitor setup. This will allow you to plug the speakers directly into the tv, without a receiver. They will sound better than a soundbar. However, they aren't as easily upgradeable like a conventional setup is, and when you decide to, you'll still need to buy a reciever. My advice, is to buy these Micca powered speakers now, then save up around $500, and buy a good quality 2.1 setup. then, you can easily move the Micca's to a desktop system, or any other TV.

Towers $320 (Pair)

Center $105

Surrounds $60

Subs $400 each

Receiver $330

You could look at Polk but I just find them to be alright at best

That or My opinion would to go 5.1 & get better towers add a second sub later

Towers $419

Center $140

Surrounds $60

Sub $560

Receiver $330

Hello fellow Canadian!

To be honest, $600 won't get you a decent 5.1 system in Canada. In fact, it won't even get you a decent 2.1 system.

If your budget is locked at $600, Craigslist is the best option. There's lots of great deals and speakers are easy to evaluate.

You could also go for something super cheap like a Fluance AVHTB package, but I would recommend Craigslist over those.

If you let me know what area of Canada you live in, maybe I can scope out a deal for you on Craigslist.

SVS PB2000 sub -$800

Marantz SR5009 $420

Infinity primus center $200

Infinity primus towers $300 for the pair

Infinity primus bookshelfs $190 for a pair add another pair for 7.1

add another big subwoofer later for more oompf. the primus series represents pretty good value and they will play quite impactfully

then figure in another grand for a projector and screen

Purchase List:

Optoma HD27 1080p 3D DLP Home Theater Projector - amazing image quality and extremely bright - can almost watch the screen with all the lights on: https://www.amazon.com/Optoma-HD27-1080p-Theater-Projector/dp/B01JR7G672

Homegear 100” HD Motorized 16:9 Projector Screen W/ Remote Control - works very well, packaged and arrived in great condition: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J22TNRI

Yamaha RX-V379BL 5.1-Channel A/V Receiver with Bluetooth: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V5VJ3TM

2 ELAC B6 Debut Series 6.5" L & R Speakers by Andrew Jones: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEQ06

1 ELAC C5 Debut Series 5.25" Center Speaker by Andrew Jones: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014GSEQWE

AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014I8TC4E

Monoprice Affinity Premium 14AWG Braided Speaker Wire: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015YN6G9G

VideoSecu 2 Heavy duty PA DJ Club Adjustable Height Satellite Speaker Stand Mount: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VRREPG

Projector Mount - VideoSecu LCD/DLP Projector Ceiling Mount Bracket: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000IDC0K2

2x LED Lighting for Bar/Couch: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V27VX7E

I would go with this speaker set:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-PK52FS-Theater-Speaker-Package/dp/B00IK8I9K2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1414003003&sr=8-4&keywords=pioneer+andrew+jones+speakers

and then add any receiver you want that is under your budget. I like this one:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx2000/denon-avr-x2000-7.1-ch-4k-ultra-hd-networking-receiver-airplay/1.html

Although the monoprice system is highly rated (I love monoprice BTW) I don't think there is any way they can be as good as the pioneers. The pioneer system is one of the most highly rated systems any where near its price point, taking on full size systems that cost much more. Infact, I have a full Klipsch setup that was over $2000 and it sounds just about as good.

The Denon AVR-S500BT goes for $250 and it would be perfect for you. It supports 4K, has 5 hdmi connections, and has Bluetooth support for music.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JR6GJLW/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_BGnJub0T00WC7

It has great reviews, and I personally use it at home and can vouch for its quality. There's also a refurbished option for $50 less.

OK for that budget, here's what we can do.

$500 now = front three speakers + new sub(s)

Let's say we can ebay the current front three speakers plus sub.

SELL THE FOLLOWING:

Yama Sub = $50-100 depending on model

Para V2s = $100 (found two pair selling now for that price)

Sony center = $50-100 depending on model

So now we are at say $750ish to spend for the front three + sub.

SUB

BIC F12 $200ish

https://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M

Alternate sub options aplenty out there.

FRONT L/R/C

Pioneer Andrew Jones line, cost $200-400 total

Towers = $140 each

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4

Bookshelves = $100 pair (if towers are not an option)

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG

Center = $80

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-C22-Designed-Channel-Speaker/dp/B008NCD2EI

I own these Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers and they sound great and are extremely popular on Amazon. Awesome entry-level line of speakers. Just one recommendation out of many more you could get.

So now if you got the towers + center + sub and you sold the old stuff on ebay for decent prices, you are still within your $500ish budget, with room for cables/speaker wire/universal remote (if you don't have one) etc etc.

If towers are not an option, you can get a whole speaker line that is higher up, Klipsch for example will run you $450 for R15 front bookshelves + R-25 center. Still within budget + sub if you sell the old stuff.

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-15M-Bookshelf-Speaker-Pair/dp/B00LMF41IY

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-R-25C-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B00LMFYRIS

LATER = $500 more

Rears + Atmos

If you got the Andrew Jones speakers, you can now grab another bookshelf pair for $100.

Meanwhile another Klipsch rear matching R-15 pair will be $200.

For Atmos, pick your poison on in-ceiling speakers. Say we went with these 8" Polks for $130 pair (leaning a little more expensive on these since they are gonna be stuck in there and can't easily be swapped out like a bookshelf speaker):

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-RC80i-Ceiling-Speakers/dp/B00006BMQT

EDIT: also check out these Miccas for in-ceiling, $40 each:

https://www.amazon.com/Micca-M-8C-Ceiling-Speaker-Pivoting/dp/B002YPS6T6

Finally, add the second sub if you haven't already, another $200.

So $100 pioneer (or $200 klipsch) bookshelves + $130 ceiling polks + $200 F12 sub is also right around budget at $450-550.

Some random thoughts from me here. :)

EDIT 2: and if the full size bookshelves don't fit as rears, grab the Polk OWM 3's for $100 pair (or consider the OWM 5's for $300/pair) as mentioned in another comment for crazy versatility options and wall mounting.

Yeah, there are quite a few like the Optoma HD141X, the Optoma HD26, the Epson 1040 and misc refurbished higher tier projectors such as the BenQ W1070 for $527 when it retails for $700.

IMO, I think projectors are much better and more flexible than TVs. You can save quite a bit of money and get a much bigger screen by going refurbished. Projectors are less common and require more initial setup and research but I love them.

I would advise you that buying a sound bar is a waste of your money. You're much better off setting that money aside and saving for a better system.

Speakers are the most important part of a sound system, more important than the receiver (just to put it simply. Obviously there are caveats).

If you're really desperate to make the leap now, there are many Home Theater In a Box (HITB) setups in your price range. Consider purchasing one of these, with an eye on upgrading your speakers.

Personally, I like my Onkyo a lot, and you might consider this unit on Amazon. I do not own it myself, but it is well reviewed. I recommend searching for units in your range, and then google that model along with key words "AVS forum" - you'll likely find a ton of user feedback.

A few key points I would mention - don't worry about 7.1 systems unless your TV viewing area is cavernous. If you are watching Blu-rays, do focus on something with HDMI inputs, to maximize your options for hi-def audio. My opinion is that Sony gear tends to be overpriced, because of the brand name. Consider looking into a well reviewed HITB from lesser known brands.

If you just want a pair of speaker's for "everything", those Sony's should be adequate enough. If you have the patience, these sometimes go for about $105 on Amazon from time to time. The last time i saw them like that was about a month ago. Keep in mind it's for one speaker, so two will be just about $210.

That will net you a good stereo 2.0 set up. In fact, the SR805 was quite well regarded back when it came out. Unfortunately, its prone to breaking down from it's own heat. So either sell it if you don't want it, or keep a running fan on top of it to cool it down. Just to be safe.

Getting a good 5.1 setup under $300 is a bit tricky. You could get four $50 speakers an a $100 center, but not only is that lacking a subwoofer its also not going to be as good sounding as a 2.0 system i described above. ymmv.

Benq w1070 Projector

Denon-1713 receiver

Jamo S426 Speakers

BIC F12 Subwoofer

3D TV Corp Glasses

Sony BDP-5100


edit: If anyone is wondering, 89" fixed screen. Picture doesn't really do it justice.

I absolutely love it. Could not be happier. Feel free to ask any questions.

Well I've got a Panasonic PT-AE8000U. Was $2500 back when I got it. You can now get it for about $2100.

Here is my setup if interested:
http://imgur.com/a/xmFbo#0

Though you can get a pretty solid 1080p 3D projector for under a grand as well. Check out the BenQ W1070.

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-Theater-Projector-Silver/dp/B00A2T6X0K

With the cheapest possible 1080p 3D down to $700 these days:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Viewsonic%20Pjd7820&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

Agree with this. Use 650 for my living room setup (6 devices, it will control 8) and works like a charm. Easy to set up and cheap: https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Infrared-Universal-Programmable/dp/B004OVECU0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485120417&sr=8-1&keywords=harmony+650

A number of possible solutions. Your TV has optical sound out. So you will need something to convert the optical digital sound signal to an analog signal (DAC). Then you will need something to amplify the analog signal to drive a speaker (amp). Then of course the speaker itself.

Here are some possible solutions:

• Bluetooth transmitter that takes optical input ($25-50) and two bluetooth speakers ($25-50). Many of each to choose from. You'll likely want a BT speaker that takes an AC adapter so that you can just plug the speakers into the wall outlet. So just make sure the speaker comes with some kind of AC adapter. Many of them are USB powered, so if you have a bunch of AC to USB plugs lying around, you should be all set.
  
  
• Small integrated DAC + amp like the SMSL Q5 Pro (~$100). Micca MB42 speakers ($60). The Q5 Pro has a remote, so they can adjust the volume of the speakers easily.
  
  
• Small DAC like the FiiO D3 ($25) and powered speakers (i.e., the amp is integrated into the speaker) like the Micca PB42x ($120). Volume control is a knob on the speaker.
  
  
• ... and now the controversial solution that will commit two /r/hometheater faux pas' at once. A soundbar (gasp!) possibly from Bose (double gasp!). If your parents have trouble hearing the dialogue in shows, there are modes for soundbars that are specially tuned to amplify talking. The Bose Solo 5 mini soundbar ($200) will take the optical input, convert to digital, amplify, and drive its speakers. It has a "dialogue enhancement" mode to boost the frequencies in human speech without making the background sound louder. Similarly the cheaper Amazon Basics version ($100) has a "news" mode that does the same thing. You may find that they can use these modes to hear the dialogue but not have to turn the volume up so high. Note the Amazon soundbar is quite long (31") while the Bose one is compact. You just stick the soundbar under the TV and they would not need to put speakers on their nightstands or do any wiring across the room.
  
  BT xmitter: https://www.amazon.com/HomeSpot-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Wireless-Headphones/dp/B00QV77YIC/ref=pd_sim_23_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00QV77XU6&pd_rd_r=S1FZ89HQSV360WXDPB6K&pd_rd_w=5L2XQ&pd_rd_wg=tT0TC&refRID=S1FZ89HQSV360WXDPB6K&th=1
  
  BT speaker: https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker-Black/dp/B01GF5ACUG/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1496641001&sr=1-10&keywords=bluetooth+speakers
  
  SMSL Q5 Pro: https://www.amazon.com/SMSL-Q5-Pro-Digital-Amplifier/dp/B017W12UCU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496640656&sr=8-1&keywords=smsl+q5+pro
  
  Micca MB42: https://www.amazon.com/Micca-MB42-Bookshelf-Speakers-Tweeter/dp/B009IUIV4A/ref=pd_ybh_a_5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=M8DF9BG3KN9NN102A6Q6
  
  Fiio D3:https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Analog-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO
  
  Micca PB42x: https://www.amazon.com/Micca-PB42X-Powered-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B00NXAEPDC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1496640689&sr=1-1&keywords=pb42x
  
  Bose Solo 5:https://www.amazon.com/Bose-Solo-TV-Sound-System/dp/B01AWLPUAG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496639710&sr=8-1&keywords=soundbar+dialogue#customerReviews
  
  Amazon Basics: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EK7TEL4/ref=psdc_3237803011_t1_B01AWLPUAG?th=1

This is the HTIB I previously owned. So the speakers are from that.

But recently I think I've decided to up the budget a little bit. I think I'm going to go with the Denon x1300w off of A4L for $299, and then get a pair of Micca MB42X and the MB42X-C for now until I can upgrade my rear speakers and sub.

I was considering just settling for the Denon AVR-S530BT, but for $299 it's hard to pass up such a significant improvement as well as a leaving me a bit of room to gradually improve to a 7.1.2 set up for Atmos.

Yeah, I hear that. I don't blame you, especially because $200 can otherwise be spent on better speakers, or something. How is your audio setup?
I went to Amazon.com and found that they're selling the BenQ W1070 for $519.

Here are some other options, if your budget is in that $500-$700 range:

Optoma HD 142X

Optoma GT1080p

The one I picked up was the Epson Home Cinema 2045 (which I bought from Best Buy actually)

to stay in a budget, but with the requirement of 1080p i think the best retail deal is the benq w1070

and as for drop down screens, elite screens are supposed to be good but you would need to measure to figure out what size works for you


but going to /r/projectors will serve you a lot better than a one off comment from me, gl

i think your main frustration will be that most setups focus on multiple inputs with one output. here you need multiple outputs. that might mean using built in sound for the two 50s with a speaker setup for the projector, or it might mean some sort of switcher.

Based on advice from /u/ZeosPantera I grabbed the following:

Denon AVR-S500BT Refurbished

Micca MB42X Bookshelf Speakers

I've been very happy with the setup. My goal was to have a flexible system for entertainment (video and music) in my bedroom that had good enough quality that I could follow movie dialog without resorting to subtitles (I have a mild mid-range hearing loss).

YMMV depending on your desires and needs, of course.

You don't need big speakers. A lot like to show off big floorstanding speakers that are honestly overkill for the majority of folks. Look at some bookshelf speakers and a center channel.

If you have room for a soundbar in front of your TV, you have room for 2 bookshelf speakers or 2 bookshelves and a center.

Seriously, these are $50 ($60 with shipping but that can depend on your location) and will sound WAY better than any medium or high end sound bar when paired with a decent sub. For $200 total, the price of a "competent" (used loosely) soundbar, you can get much better sound quality while taking up barely more space.

$300 isn't a great budget for L/C/R, really. It's more than enough for something cheap, like the micca MB42x, Pioneer Andrew Jones, etc. But it's not enough for something of true quality.

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The best value, and my firm recommendation for $250ish is the Sony Core Series Bookshelves at $118 a pair and the Matching Sony Core Series Center speaker for $118.

• $325 will get you Polk S15 L/R + Polk S30 C
  
• $360 will get you HTD Level 2 L/C/R
  
• $370 Will get you Elac B4 with a C5 center
  
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Yeah man. In my experience this is not the sub for out of the box home theatre systems.
Everyone on here will advocate the purchase of a receiver and speakers accordingly. I have a denon receiver, mirage front speakers, klipsch channel and sides, and JBL rears. Oh and onkyo sub. It really doesn't matter how many different brands you use as long as they are paired up. Meaning you don't want a front left JBL and a front right Polk.

5.2 Is a bit of a strange request for an out of the box. I would recommend buying a decent receiver for around $200-300. And $700 on speakers. Now you can buy speaker sets in Amazon and other places. I'd recommend these. Definitive Technology ProCinema 600 5.1 Home Theater Speaker System (black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TDENA6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_B5zZzbKFQM6R8

I'd also recommend using Amazon warehouse deals. Great prices and if it fucks up send it back.

Listen to this post.

Any speaker can be wireless:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011011&p_id=10601&seq=1&format=2

One remote to control your AVR, TV, cable box, roku etc: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-650-Remote-Control/dp/B004OVECU0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1412367653&sr=1-1&keywords=logitech+harmony

Welcome to the wonderful world of audio :)

budget is a little on the low side ... but having said that I just bought this for my parents for Xmas, and they do like it quite a bit. For the price, im impressed at the sound quality myself as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S3500-5-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0077V88V8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419883783&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+ht-s3500

Note: i paid $100 less than this in November. I'm sure it will drop down in price again. Actually, the price went UP just before cyber monday by $100. Wonder how many people paid an extra $100 thinking they were still getting a cyber monday deal.

https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-DLP-1080p-Projector-W1070/dp/B00A2T6X0K

Ive got it and its a fantastic bargain. Full 1080, good lumens and high contrast. Plus supports 3d if thats your thing.

If you're in the US (or Canada), Monoprice has a surprisingly cheap set of speakers that you can connect to a low end receiver. You could save even more money by buying a used receiver.

These speakers are so inexpensive and yet highly-rated, I bought a set to use with an old Yamaha RX-V595a receiver from the 1990s that has such low distortion and good audio that I couldn't bear to discard it.

Attach these components to the TV of your choice and you'll have a surprisingly good system for a small space. It may even be quite livable in a much larger one.

Thanks for the replies.

I've seen some recommendations and have been looking all day for the Polk Audio RC60i but they don't seem to ship to my country.

I strumbled across a site that listed some other recommendations (besides the Polk Audio one), and these are some options that actually do ship to my country:

- Pyle PD1C60 https://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PDIC60-Ceiling-6-5-Inch-Speaker/dp/B00LRTLYIA

- Micca M8-C https://www.amazon.com/Micca-M-8C-Ceiling-Speaker-Pivoting/dp/B002YPS6T6/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1525551460&sr=8-1&keywords=Micca+M-8C

- Klipsch R-1650

Anyone experiences with these? Which one would be the best for Atmos?

I just did something similar, added some bookshelf speakers to a small room setup. However, the ones I added were un-powered and my TV did not have a variable output. I had to find a little amp that would also take IR to control volume Kentiger V10 Bluetooth Hi-Fi Stereo

Everything is controlled from a Harmony remote which makes it all still nice for anyone to use.

First advice, confirm what outputs your TV has to see if you will need something that can manage the volume or not.

2nd, consider adding a Harmony remote to simplify the setup if you need to add additional hardware that can handle the volume and won't work with the existing remote. This guy is very affordable and works well Harmony 650

I've just been browsing amazon and found a pretty good setup for my budget.

Receiver

Left and right speakers

Center speaker

Rear speakers

Almost 600$ for the entire setup. I was also interested in the Dali Zensor 1 speakers that was recommended to me earlier, but they made the total price go up to almost 900$ I'm still curious if I should go with the Micca MB42X shelf speakers over the Dayton though.

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I have a yamaha RX-v781, and I love it. The RX-V381 should be similar, with a few missing features (and less channels)

If you're on a budget, but you want 5.1 right away, here's what I suggest you do. Get a receiver (I would go with the yamaha, the denon ones are good too), and get a cheap 5.1 package like this one:

https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=10565&gclid=CjwKCAjwk4vMBRAgEiwA4ftLs3U_3omcZfIjWIXw1qOV9wsm4jF34_KqDB6plRu7X1NTaKTdTknuoBoCMjcQAvD_BwE

or this one (which is nicer):

https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-PK52FS-Theater-Speaker-Package/dp/B00IK8I9K2

That way, you can replace speakers as you go and still have a complete system. And a year or two down the line, when you've completely swapped out the monoprice system, you'll only be out $150 instead of having to scrap a HTIB that could be $1000.

always been a fan of infinity speakers myself, having an old set of studio monitors from the 90's for my stereo setup.

i have a full set of the Primus line, and they're affordable with a good sound (and i think they look better than the pioneer speakers). also, amazon has them on crazy discount right now, though you can usually pick them up for $200/ea.

some people don't like that infinity is now owned by harmon and is a shadow of what it once was, but these speakers have served me well until i have the funds to throw $3000 on a set of something better.

I personally am more open to sound bars than many people here, I have one on all of my TVs except my main HT system.

That being said, if this is your main HT system I'd see if you can swing this:

Denon AVR-S530BT Refurb Receiver for $150:
https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs530bt/denon-avr-s530bt-5.2-ch-x-70-watts-bluetooth-a/v-receiver/1.html

Pair of Micca MB42X speakers for $90:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E7H8GG2

Total = $240

If you absolutely can't go much above $200 then get the Dayton Audio B652-AIR speakers for $67 at the link below or get the above speakers used on Amazon for a little cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NOA58RS

The nice thing about the Micca's is they have a matching center channel (on the same Amazon page) that you could add later on to upgrade your system. And with that receiver you could eventually add a center, a sub, and 2 rear speakers for a full 5.1 surround setup. Even if you don't want anything more than 2.0 anytime soon it's best to give yourself options down the road in case you change your mind.

Also seeing this Benq projector getting good reviews and it appears to have multi-channel audio out compared to the previous projector I linked. Price goes up, but it seems to be a pretty solid contender.

If you plan on ordering from amazon and don't need your setup right away, check out the price history on the speakers at camelcamelcamel.com. a few time per year they sell at about $70 per pair rather than ~125. Also, my local best buy has those speakers on display, so you might be able to check them out there.

Also check out this center speaker (http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-DV-62CLRS-Channel-Speaker/dp/B00009WBYL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419740965&sr=8-1&keywords=BIC+america+center). I saw good reviews for it.

Sure.
Elac Debut Series Bundle with (4) B6 Bookshelf Speakers, (1) C5 Center Channel Speaker, and (1) S10 Subwoofer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXMUPFK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_1jgIybR5DQCPS
Or if you have a smaller budget Pioneer SP-PK52FS Andrew Jones 5.1 Home Theater Speaker Package https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IK8I9K2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_KngIybSXETXB3
Or Fluance AVHTB Surround Sound Home Theater 5.0 Channel Speaker System including Three-way Floorstanding Towers, Center and Rear Speakers https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00064JWSG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4kgIybV1FTSEH
Paired with Denon AVR-S510BT 5.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD AV Receiver with Bluetooth https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YAO43YG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_MlgIybKTT9H8C
A better subwoofer like this can be used as well SVS SB12-NSD - 12", 400-watt DSP Controlled, Sealed Box Subwoofer (Black Ash) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009F8Y7SO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_qmgIybESBHY14
Separate parts can be used as needed.
Here is an example of a wireless kit Rocketfish Universal Wireless Rear Speaker Kit RF-WHTIB-A https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VEP3XO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_UogIyb89XNFYN

https://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/

Use that instead of any driver EQ.

It is like putting lipstick on a pig though, your speaker kit is simply of such low quality that any changes are simply masking major flaws instead of providing improvement. A 5.25 inch driver with only 25 watts simply lacks the punch to be called a subwoofer, never mind the satellites.

https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-B652-AIR-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B00NOA58RS

https://www.amazon.com/Lepy-LP-2020A-Amplifier-Stereo-Digital/dp/B00OJZP4YE

Even this incredibly modest pair of bookshelf speakers and Chinese chip amp will be a large improvement in sound quality. It is always better to have a good 2.0 setup than a crappy 5.1.

Making sure I get the parts right:

4x http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Three-way-Floorstanding-Speaker/dp/B0046A8R3M

1x http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-X1000-5-1-Channel-Networking-Receiver/dp/B00CALM2JY

1x http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-SUB-1200-12-Inch-Subwoofer/dp/B00669L3HS

Any complaints or thoughts about the setup?

Is the receiver easy to use? My wife is a bit tech impaired when it comes to things like receivers.

It says you can "wirelessly stream music from iTunes on your PC or Mac or from your iPod touch, iPhone, or iPad via your home network" but I see no wireless specs. Would I need to run network cable to the router for those features to work?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, thanks for your help!

Nothing wrong with the receiver you picked, but you typically get more bang for your buck with a refurb and Denon has a higher quality room correction.

Denon X1500 - $300

That is a very large you need at least 1 large possibly or 2nd.

HSU VTF2 - $540 Recommended for up to 5,000 cu ft.

HSU VTF3 - $800 Recommended up to 8,000 cu ft.

In Ceiling Atmos Speakers (shouldn't cost a fortune)

Micca M-8C - $80

Micca R-8C - $120

Surrounds

Fluance SXBP2 - $120

Polk OWM3 - $150

Leaving your front 3 and probably the most important speakers. Lots of different ways to go here, but I'll list a few different options.

Ascend CBM-170 LR + CMT-340 Center - $600

HSU Hybrid 2 3.1 - $1019 This includes the subwoofer

Elac Debut 6.2 - $280 Elac 6.2 Center - $280

Maybe a pair of powered speakers would fit the bill:
Micca PB42X Powered Bookshelf Speakers With 4-Inch Carbon Fiber Woofer and Silk Dome Tweeter (Pair) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NXAEPDC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_R.9yCbVPW9QNK

If you want to get closer to $200, adding a sub would be a great addition.
Monoprice 108248 8-Inch 60-Watt Powered Subwoofer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009GUTJ34/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_od-yCbH44BMTS

Try these. They're all-in-one versions of the speakers I use myself. They don't need a sub or an amp, and they're plenty loud. Lay them on their sides under the TV if you have to, but pound for pound I think this is your best option.

yes, the projector has to have 1080p, and even then read reviews.

I have this $655 one and it's terrific, but you won't find a decent projector for less than $400. Not for movie/TV watching anyway. Cheaper projectors are only good for watching PowerPoint.

Awesome. The only other issue I can find is in the receiver. I get that you don't want to go cheap on one, but if I don't use airplay or the Wi-Fi features, what makes it better than this?

You would both benefit more from something like this I can almost guarantee. http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S3500-5-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0077V88V8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1416412558&sr=1-1&keywords=5.1+receiver+home+theater+and+speakers

If you have a Frys near you I would recommend this at $99 each (when they are on sale in-store only):

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Three-way-Floorstanding-Speaker/dp/B0046A8R3M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425357232&sr=8-1&keywords=infinity+primus

If you don't live near a Frys, Amazon sometimes will pricematch it with free shipping so you can look out for that.

There is also a list here for speakers if your on a budget.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AverageJoeAudiophile/

These are fantastic. And yes you will be using a powered sub with a LFE RCA out.

Edit: I guess somebody doesn't like DefTech?

If you want something on the cheap, your best bet is to pick up a refurbished AV receiver so you don't have to hack together a solution that you'll never be happy with. I'd probably grab one of these and build from there.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00V5VJ3TM/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished

Is there room on the sides of the TV for speakers? Ideally they would be a couple feet to either side of the TV.

You probably just want to go with a 3.1 system, because the placement of the surrounds will be so wonky with a corner L-shaped couch and a corner TV that I don't think it would be worth it. You could do in-ceiling speakers, and do a 3.1.2 system though. https://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/speaker-setup-guides/3.1.2-overhead-speakers-setup-guide.html

For $1,000 3.1.2 system I would get this:
Receiver - $300 (doesn't have eARC, but you probably don't need it)
Front L/R speakers - $200
Front center - $170
in-ceiling speakers - $80
Subwoofer - $250


If cutting holes into your ceiling to install speakers and run wiring is a daunting task, then just do a 3.1 system and you can spend more on the subwoofer. If you can push your budget this very high quality SVS PB-1000 subwoofer goes on sale on the outlet site for $400 several times a year, I imagine it will during labor day subwoofer option 2 - $400. It will be infinitely better than the $250 one linked above.

The Micca’s? I’ve been really pleased with them and yes you can point the tweeters

Micca M-8C 8 Inch 2-Way in-Ceiling in-Wall Speaker with Pivoting 1" Silk Dome Tweeter (Each, White) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002YPS6T6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_57AVDbKGJW5CC

I don't think those Sony speakers are very well regarded. For a similar amount of money you could get the whole 5.0 set of pioneer Andrew Jones speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-PK52FS-Theater-Speaker-Package/dp/B00IK8I9K2?th=0

Those are supposed to be very good for the price. You should check out a few other speakers from the buying guide on the side bar before you decide though!

Awesome thanks for the list. So I assume your saying that Onkyo makes good receivers but their speakers are lacking, and so I should build my own slowly with the Miccas and the Dayton? Because I was considering this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0077V88V8/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=VHT3EQQ052JF&coliid=I3QJ9CXM0F45RQ