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u/ribroidrub · 1 pointr/ketoscience

We can digest cellulose?! I've never researched the topic so I've got no idea. I've been under the impression that any digestion of "fiber" (such a vague term! I have a feeling it'll be going out of style in the coming decades) was through gut bacteria, but again, I've never really done any research on it. Good call on whether hydroxyproline/hydroxylysine can be utilized by gut bacteria. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they could.

Digestion isn't my forte either beyond knowing where things get broken down/absorbed. I've been meaning to hit up gut bacteria since they're becoming so popular topic these days.

Lotta respect for you too dude! And everyone here who contributes discussion. The more we talk things out and try to see where we might be overassuming/flat out wrong/missing information, the more we learn. That's the beauty of the scientific method, in my opinion. I've got high hopes for this sub.

Not sure if FFA/glucose radicals are handled by different antioxidants. That would definitely make sense, though, considering the unique antioxidant utilities of vitamins C and E each.

I have no idea if any nutrients are more bioavailable from plants than animals. Some would be exclusive (or nearly so) to one category, like taurine in animal products or beta-carotene in vegetable products. There are a lot of factors to consider in food bioavailability too, like cooking methods, usage of oils, cooking time, all that stuff.

> Perhaps physiological insulin resistance? And perhaps something like this hints that physiological insulin resistance isn't a good thing; you've reached a point of ketosis that is too "deep" and are pushing starvation. (Subtly referring back to the body's need to replenish aminos from diet).

I was wondering about that. I've yet to examine Mr. Dobromylskyj's hypothesis of physiological insulin resistance in depth.

> That would mean a lot for an all meat diet since it's argued that vitamin E is one of the nutrients that would be deficient.

Isn't that one of the better arguments against it? ;) I figure, hunter-gatherer societies have eaten varying proportions of foods derived from animals and plants, it's possible, even probable we would be okay going proportionately in either direction. Though, I'm more a fan of moderation... :)

I think my secret is a huge interest, which keeps me going in researching/learning about biochemistry. Even still I learn new things all the time, and ideas I previously had turn out to be wrong.. c'est la vie. I can't imagine taking up, say, mechanical engineering, I just don't have much an interest in it. Hopefully you get to take some kind of chemistry class! (Idk, most biochem classes I know of around here are higher-level/require several prerequisites). Really cool that you play the guitar btw. Piano player here.

Learning new/challenging material sure isn't easy but it's very rewarding. I started learning some basic cell biology by just looking at wiki pages and exhaustingly detailing every last definition that I didn't know like the back of my hand. It all expanded from there and I started doing the same with primary literature (what I often read here; bscly all research that's not a review). If you're looking for a textbook, I highly recommend Lehninger et al's Principles of Biochemistry. ^^^Pop ^^^me ^^^a ^^^pm ^^^if ^^^you ^^^want ^^^a ^^^PDF ^^^of ^^^the ^^^book

u/[deleted] · 7 pointsr/ketoscience

Yes! Dr. David Perlmutter has recently been involved in research with the gut microbiome in relation to neurodegenerative disease and psychopathologies. His book is "Brainmaker: The Power of Gut Microbes to Heal and Protect Your Brain - For Life"

http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Maker-Microbes-Protect-Brain%C2%96/dp/0316380105/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452273880&sr=8-1&keywords=Brainmaker

Anyway, he just happens to be one of the popular public heralds of this new information, but essentially, the message is that the microbial composition and diversity in the gut is responsible in large part for the production of essential hormones and neurotransmitters involved in the regulation of mood and function. The gut produces four to five times more serotonin, through the conversion of tryptophan by gut microbes, than the brain itself. Now, we all know that selective serotonin re uptake inhibitors are widely prescribed to alleviate depression symptoms, and they work by increasing the amount of circulating serotonin.

He goes on to recommend various treatments including aggressive probiotic regimens including specific microbes, probiotic enemas, and even FMT (Fecal Microbial Transplant).

In my experience, you can get the most benefit of probiotics by learning to ferment your own foods and eating fermented foods that can be purchased (unpasteurized and raw) from health-food stores. Fermented foods are a POWERFUL treatment for depression, as is a ketogenic diet (in the way it tends to suppress pathogenic bacteria through high fat intake and encourage the colonization of beneficial microbes). Broad-spectrum probiotics are very helpful as well, especially if you can summon the courage to... well... dissolve them in water in very high doses and squirt them into your rectum using an enema device. I've done it many times and felt the benefits of 1400 billion (not a typo) CFU probiotics taken by enema once daily for one week, in a huge way!

Depression is so very often linked to dysbiosis and you need to investigate this. Good luck.

u/CMDR_Mal_Reynolds · 4 pointsr/ketoscience

Interesting, nicely researched.

One observation, it is reasonably well understood that excercising in ketosis does indeed raise heart rates as per “The Effects of a Ketogenic Diet on Exercise Metabolism and Physical Performance in Off-Road Cyclists”, see also The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance

Anecdotally this threw me entirely when attempting maffetone training (heart zone 2/3), I basically couldn't go slow enough until I found out you need to add 5-10 bpm to your heart rate if in ketosis, and then it worked fine. FWIW even though I'm pushing 50 I can comfortably maintain 190-195 bpm for a minute or more i.e. half my age according to 220-age handwavium.

Mechanistically, instead of just supplying oxygen to muscles in glycosis which just burn the glycogen already present (until you hit the wall), in ketosis the bloodstream has to mobilize fat, and until full fat adaption send it to the liver to be converted to ketones and then transport to the muscles, so unsurprisingly the heart has to work harder (after full adaption fatty acids can be used directly by muscles). On the flip side there are less nasty metabolites to clear which allows the heart and other muscles to run faster and longer.

u/matt2001 · 1 pointr/ketoscience

>BHB confused with butryric acid

Thanks. They are different, both seem to have beneficial influence on the immune system:

>Cancer[edit]
The role of butyrate differs between normal and cancerous cells. This is known as the "butyrate paradox". Butyrate inhibits colonic tumor cells, and promotes healthy colonic epithelial cells;[33] but the signaling mechanism is not well understood.[34] A review suggested the chemopreventive benefits of butyrate depend in part on amount, time of exposure with respect to the tumorigenic process, and the type of fat in the diet.[18] The production of volatile fatty acids such as butyrate from fermentable fibers may contribute to the role of dietary fiber in colon cancer.[18]

>Diabetes[edit]
A review on the relationship between the microbiome and diabetes asserted that butyrate can induce "profound immunometabolic effects" in animal models of and humans with type 2 diabetes;[26] it also noted a relationship between the presence of obesity or diabetes and a state of marked dysbiosis in a host, which is not yet completely understood.[26] While acknowledging that there is strong evidence for the use of butyrate in such disorders, the review called for more research into the pathophysiology (i.e., biomolecular mechanisms) of these diseases, so as to improve therapeutic approaches to these diseases.[26] Butyric_acid

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Thanks for practical tips. I plan on adding chicory - inulin.. Another source for rosmarinic acid is rosemary I use it daily - infused olive oil.

u/bcho86 · 2 pointsr/ketoscience

CT-CV-ICU RN here. First and foremost, please get probiotics on board. Not the generic ones that you will find over the counter in the market, but medical grade probiotics; specifically, VSL#3 which has 400,000,000,000 bacteria per sachet. That may seem like a lot, but your gut (which is now viewed as the 2nd brain now) has trillions of bacteria living within inside you contributing into many things such as vitamin synthesis, maintaining homeostasis, and believe it or not, producing neurotransmitters! When I'm not taking on fresh post-op open hearts, I take septic patients and I commonly see our patients with sepsis being treated with heavy antibiotics, then being discharged with no information to repopulate their microbiome.

To get rid of your Cdiff. Buy VSL#3 and this Jarrow Formulas Saccharomyces Boulardii + MOS, 5 Billion Cells Per Capsule, Promotes Intestinal and Digestive Health, 90 Veggie Capsules https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013OVW0E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_26TCzbRMFMBAT

And mix them with Red Mills Unmodified potato starch which acts as food for the probiotics you're consuming. This is a resistant starch meaning your body cannot break this down for sugar.

Also, read up on Butyrate which is the most underrated natural substance our symbiotic friends produce!

https://selfhacked.com/blog/health-benefits-butyrate-derivatives-sodium-butyrate-phenylbutyrate-trybutyrine-butyric-acid-butyrate-prodrugs-butyrate-producing-bacteria/

u/RealNotFake · 3 pointsr/ketoscience

I've read it in various books, and I specifically remember reading about his weight loss on a low fat diet in this book. If you do some quick googling you will find that he ate a mediterranean style diet for most of his life and he also lived to be 100 on his diet. Here are some details from his retirement. Disclaimer: I am not saying his diet would make everyone live to be 100, I'm simply stating the facts. The diet he ate works for some people, just like keto works for some people. No diet works for every human. As you can see, he ate some processed carbs, however he also ate nutrient dense foods like liver, sardines, veggies, fruits, etc. Some of those foods are even high in saturated fat. In fact it is estimated that his actual diet probably wouldn't fit within the current US guidelines, which is pretty ironic.

>Here's how my friend described Keys' retirement:
Ancel Keys was 155 pounds and 5' 71/2" with a BMI of 23.9--a tad on the heavy side, but certainly not overweight. He left academia at the age of 68 in 1972 and retired to a small seaside village south of Naples Italy in the area where he first discovered the lack of heart disease and the Mediterranean Diet--in the southern Italian population.
He and his wife Magaret built a seaside villa there from the royalties that they got from their three diet books.
Here are their typical meals:
Breakfast: 1/2 grapefruit, dry cereal with skim milk (2% fat), unbuttered toast, jam & coffee
Lunch : sardine sandwich, olives, cookies and a glass of skim milk -- always brown bagged when he was working; he followed lunch with a 10-minute doze.
Dinner: 2 hours with classical music & candlelight, multiple courses, a pre-dinner cocktail (a martini or negroni -- (¼ gin, ¼ Campari bitters, ¼ sweet or dry vermouth, ¼ soda water, over ice in an old-fashioned glass)), 1,000 calorie meal with less than 20% fat.
Sample menu: Turkey broth with noodles, veal scallopini a la Marsala, green beans, tossed salad dressed with tarragon vinegar and corn oil, homemade bread, cookies, expresso, fruit. They would have meat no more than 3X a week in the form of a "carving roast"-steaks, chops or roast.
This was a much more moderate diet than I would have expected, but it still generated the right results in the end for both of the Keys. They were getting a daily dose of alcohol from their cocktails and their "a la Marsala" cooking style. Keys did like his cookies. Ancel died at age 100 in 2004. His wife Magaret died at age 97 in 2006.
His diet recommendations are fairly simple: "Eat less fat meat, fewer eggs and dairy products. Spend more time on fish, chicken, calves' liver(?), Canadian bacon, Italian food, Chinese food, supplemented by fresh fruits, vegetables and casseroles."
Adds Keys: "Nobody wants to live on mush. But reasonably low-fat diets can provide infinite variety and aesthetic satisfaction for the most fastidious—if not the most gluttonous—among us." On such fare, Keys-the gourmet-keeps his own weight at a moderate 155, his cholesterol count at a comfortable 209.
Some glaring diet contradictions, perhaps?: Keys recommended calf livers (high in saturated fats and cholesterol) as well as Canadian bacon. These recommendations seem to contradict his research. I guess both Keys & his wife must have really liked liver and Canadian bacon--and yes, he could definitely be described as a "foodie". He also had a cholesterol level of 209, in spite of the fact that he knew that other populations with low heart disease had much lower levels. This high of a cholesterol level would suggest that his diet was not as perfect as what he was recommending.

u/azurebell · 1 pointr/ketoscience

I use the Hemp Yeah Max Protein . It’s been great for me since I have a dairy intolerance and don’t respond well to other plant proteins like pea, rice or almond, and find anything more than a couple ounces of fish or poultry hard on my digestive system.

I try to follow a lectin-free diet, so hemp seems to be the most agreeable plant-based protein.

FWIW I find that mixing the powder in avocado or MCT oil makes it more palatable and digestible.

u/Entropy_surfer · 1 pointr/ketoscience

If you haven't read this already, you'll find it interesting. Basically the punchline is that if you're glycogen depleted to a significant extent, the majority of the glucose in your system will go toward glycogen replenishment. You can use that to your advantage to time carb intake. I'm not sure that there will be a major difference between glycogen stored and increased serum glucose.

My guess is you could stand to eat a few carbs and not cycle in and out of ketosis, as long as you're getting enough cardio in on top of your other workouts. I've been doing Keto for about three months now, and I'm a climber. I was really interested at in how keto would affect my climbing performance since climbing relies heavily on the phosphogen and the glycolytic systems. Initially my performance did suffer during adaptation. Once I was fat adapted I haven't noticed much of an impact on my climbing ability. I'd be willing to bet that with a little bit more training you'll be able to crank out 50 PU again after your muscles adapt to using more ketones.

As for fuel, I highly recommend the C8 oil that is on the market now. This stuff is the most ketogenic component of MCT oil. I've used this stuff and I feel great when working out. Careful though, it'll lubricate your guts even more than MCT. I take mine in bulletproof coffee, half butter, half C8 and about a tbsp of powdered lecithin.

u/some_keto_man · 1 pointr/ketoscience

There is even a book on it. They are calling Alzheimers Diabetes 3.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1603587098

I bought the book as soon as it was released since my grandfather is going through rapid cognitive decline. I have since bought 3 total copies. One for myself and one for two of my grandparents. The grandparent that doesn't need it and is is really good health is the one that has the most interest in reading it. This is a great book even for general keto knowledge and would recommend it for anyone new to or starting a keto diet.

u/dalesd · 13 pointsr/ketoscience

> more like a 2000 person 2 year study

OMG, I wish there was something like that.

> I only care about stuff that will enhance my performance and at this point it is the raw fruitarian diet. If being in ketosis is better for performance that would be awesome and I would switch right away but I need hard evidence not just anecdotal evidence.

I totally understand. I'll say this. If you have a diet that works for you, stick with it. I'm not looking to convert anyone. If it isn't working for you, read on.

I'm a recreational cyclist who got into keto for weight loss, and stuck with it for the endurance benefits. Since the weight loss, I've gone on to do everything from A-group rides to centuries to week-long bike tours without carbs. I was never going to be a pro, but I can hold my own on club rides.

You could look into the work of Drs. Phinney & Volek. Their book, The Art & Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance is a good starting point.

They did long term (>6 weeks) studies with "well trained cyclists." That one is kind of a cornerstone of endurance keto research, IMO.

The human metabolic response to chronic ketosis without caloric restriction: Preservation of submaximal exercise capability with reduced carbohydrate oxidation
Basically, performance dropped off for a few weeks, but then it rebounded. Fat oxidation rates went way up, and muscle glycogen use went way down.
On the down side, V02max dropped slightly. So the conclusion has been, if you do short events that end with a sprint to the finish (i.e. crit racing), this isn't the approach you want.
If you do long steady state events, like triathlons, time trials, brevets (and you can't handle all the high carb refueling because of sensitive stomach/GI issues), keto is perfect for you.

I know you're not interested in n=1, but this one deserves attention: Dr. Peter Attia is low carb researcher and cyclist. He's also the president of NUSI, Nutrition Science Initiative. His personal blog, http://eatingacademy.com/ was a major influence on my cycling. Particularly, the entry How a Low Carb Diet Affected My Athletic Performance. His TedMed 2013 talk isn't about cycling, but it really shows his passion.

A few months ago, Ben Greenfield participated in a study about low carb athletic performance. I don't know if it's been published yet.

u/Junkbot · 1 pointr/ketoscience

I mean, there are many studies on the glucose/willpower relationship. When I read the ones referenced in the book, they seem plausible in as much as you can test willpower in a laboratory setting. Granted, some of the willpower tests can seem artificial (time attempting an impossible puzzle, squeezing a stressball, time putting your hand in cold water, etc), but they look to be standard ways to test willpower.

Yes, went through The Power of Habits by Duhigg as well, and I agree with using willpower to establish habits. Then you conserve willpower because the 'harder' tasks turn into mindless/non-willpower consuming habits.

u/michaelmichael1 · -1 pointsr/ketoscience

The energy expenditure increased by a marginal amount, not a significant amount, how the marginal increase was statistically significant. Increasing significantly isn't the same as a statistically significant increase. If your n was large enough a 1 kcal increase in energy expenditure could be statisically significant.

In the researchers own words: the ketogenic diet "was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology."

This increase was a 02% increase in energy expenditure. I wouldn't consider that significant.

>but it runs counter to your claim that expenditure slows on a ketogenic diet.

My source is Krause's Food & the Nutrition Care Process 14th edition. Perhaps it's wrong but I think more studies are needed to say definitively.

u/Ctalons · 7 pointsr/ketoscience

We know nutritionists love plant-based, but where do they stand on eating trees? Wonders if it's covered in the bible.

Presumably, you could also eat these for a similar effect? https://www.amazon.com/LIMBA-Water-Growing-Dinosaurs-Set/dp/B079S3BG94 $11 per 32 "dose" pack!

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From the introduction

>Only 2% of patients with overweight or obesity receive antiobesity drug therapy despite the overwhelming evidence of the growing burden of excess weight 7, 9. In contrast, more than 80% of patients with type 2 diabetes (T2D) are prescribed antidiabetes pharmacotherapy 10. Considering that obesity is a major cause of T2D, these realities are paradoxical.

Love the way the default is pharmacology for ailments, how's injecting insulin working out for diabetics???

u/rnaa49 · 6 pointsr/ketoscience

I would strongly recommend reading The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance. It was written for folks like you.

u/186394 · 16 pointsr/ketoscience

The two Phinney/Volek books.

One. Two.

u/richie_engineer · 6 pointsr/ketoscience

I bet it's listed on the Ketopedia site, but Phinney and Volek's books are research backed and full of facts.

The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance

The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living

u/GruntledMisanthrope · 2 pointsr/ketoscience

Keto flu is different for everybody - intensity, duration, exact effects. Mine starts about 36 hours +/- from my last whack of carbs, and if I just tough it out I'll get a headache with vertigo and extreme lethargy for about 24 hours, with about 6-10 hours in the middle where it's bad. It feels exactly like a 24 hour flu. If you're worried about it affecting your work, try and time it so it hits on a weekend. You can shorten the duration and lessen the effects by staying well hydrated and supplementing with electrolytes - calcium, potassium, magnesium are the ones I take. The authors of The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance recommend NuSalt or other potassium based seasoning salt and meat broth/bouillon.

Drink vodka or any other VLC liquor, the internet is full of ideas on that score. But be careful - my alcohol tolerance plunges when I'm ketosis.