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Ok, I really like the advice of /u/zottelbeyer

, but I will try to give my own. Just remember: There is never enough storage space.

My current setup: TS-673 with 2x512GB M.2 SSD RAID 1 as system volume + 4x10TB HDD RAID 6 ad storage volume, with intention of expanding up to 6x10TB as I need more space. Synology DS218J with 1x10TB+1x3TB HDD JBOD used as backup unit.

First: I personally don't think I'd use RAID 10 when I can use RAID 6. RAID 6 offer better drive protection than RAID 10, so yes, I'd also switch to RAID 6.

Second: Backup in the same machine is not considered backup. There are tons of things that can destroy all drives in a case at same time. For example:

https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dc8hda/nearly_lost_all_my_data/

So, The fact that you are backuping your main RAID 10 data into a different 8TB drive inside the same NAS means that you are in fact not performing any backup at all. One ransomware infection will destroy the totality of your data.

Ok, now, let's dive in.

Currently, the sweet spot of cost/storage are located in 8TB drives, but slowly switching to 10TB. Personally, I'd go with 10 or 12 TB drives. You can get 10TB WD red drives for 189€ (WD element drives shucked). With 5x10TB drives in RAID 6 you get 30TB (27.3 TB of usable space). If you use RAID 5 (more about that later), you can bump up to 40TB (36.4 TB of usable space). That is 5 times what you currently have, and without need to buy a new enclosure. That is leaving your 6th bay as offsite for the other user.

Right now, IMHO there is no reason to stick with lots and lots of low storage drive. Get fewer with higher capacity. Prices have dropped enough.

You have also to take into account that bay space is also an important issue. That makes in the end bigger drives more valuable that small drives.

You can start increasing your drive count slowly, and adding more drives as your space needs increase.

About backups: I really encourage you to move your backup outside your TVS-673. If you go the bigger drive route you will have 4TB drives spare (your current RAID array) that you can use to perform backup. I used this:

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Docking-Station-Support/dp/B0099TX7O4/

or a cheaper version:

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-SATA-USB-Cable-USB3S2SAT3CB/dp/B00HJZJI84/

Connect your drive, then you can create a backup job to store your important files on it, and then disconnect it and store it away. Repeat with each drive you want. Perform a new backup once a week. In case of NAS destroy, you have full backup available.

I personally prefer to use another cheap NAS to automatically perform backups, but that means spending some more money. About RAID 0 backups, it's not ideal, but it is doable. RAID is not backup, is intended to reduce downtime. Strictly speaking, you don't need RAID if you are willing to assume downtime while you restore from your backups. So, RAID 0 (or JBOD) is acceptable as backup plan. Yes, if one drive of your backup fails, you lose everything, but it is a backup. All you have to do is switch the failing drive and recreate the backup from scratch. Pretty straight forward and it doesn't risk your data. Since your main data is a RAID array, in case of failure of your backup RAID 0, you still have tolerance for at least another drive failure (RAID 5) or even two (RAID 6) in your main array.

• Main RAID 1, 5 or 6 + Backup RAID 0 or JBOD: Ok
  
• Main RAID 0, JBOD or non array + Backup RAID 1, 5 or 6: OK
  
• Main RAID 0, JBOD or non array + Backup RAID 0 or JBOD: NOPE
  
  Finally, if you decide to go "full datahoard mode" (rack server, +10 bays, ZFS or BTRFS , etc) then by all means, go to /r/DataHoarder and /r/homelab. Tons of useful advice there.
  
  In case you go this route, then yes, get a nice rack, set ZFS, and use your TVS-673 as an expensive backup NAS to keep your data safe. I personally use borg backup, but ZFS has a nice snapshot backup utility with incremental copy.
  
  Sorry for the wall of text. I think I addressed most of your concerns, right?

This should probably get the job done to your satisfaction.

Not sure if it matters on UPS devices, but black friday is just around the corner so it might be worth it to wait a couple of days.

It is on https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00T7BYV6W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 for around £72 which seems like a reasonable offer.

Best of luck!


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I ended up buying the Doorbird D101S for $378. It’s important to me to keep my own data. I don’t care about a monthly fee, but I do care about who sees my home activity as part of my freedom of being American. And I have a 12TB qnap.

The linked site is about 10% more expensive than Amazon UK for the same thing. Also that table of QNAP Nas's leaves out a lot of models and is totally user unfriendly since the tables don't list the models, don't buy from them, if you are smart and like the best deal here's what you should really do instead. TS-251 - £187.64 + Kingston 8gb installable RAM (that you install yourself, it's easy) - £26.30 + QNAP RM-IR002 - £8.99 (optional) is best in my opinion, £222.93 for a TS-251 with 8gb ram vs. £255.60 TS-251+ with 2gb ram

I would also look at the new TVS-x73 family which just started shipping this month. It is AMD based with performance between i5 & i7.

Has support for 10GbE as an upgrade, has m.2 SSD cache support, plus anywhere from 4-8 drives internal.

Also can be upgraded to 64GB for plenty of VM space :)

https://www.amazon.com/4BAY-NAS-ISCSI-IP-SAN-R/dp/B01MSVPWMX/

I have the TVS-673 and have been very happy with it. Just added the m.2 SSD caching to mine and have 32GB in it.

One tip - get the lowest memory config for the model you are looking at and then upgrade yourself. It is a lot cheaper.

You can find out more about the new line and how it compares to the other models here:
https://youtu.be/MFn_Iqm6GgU
http://www.slideshare.net/QNAP_Inc/all-new-upgraded-business-nas-tvsx73-series

One other tip, I would avoid the ARM based models (such as the one you linked too) as that is going to limit your usage of Container Station (not all Docker apps support ARM), and rule out Virtualization Station.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CQ35HBQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This was the exact product that I had bought and used in the 251+ - I can say with certainty because I actually went back to my amazon orders history so I wouldnt have to open up the laptop. You'll probably notice though that the listing is only for 1x8 GB stick - I had already had an 8 GB stick of the same model and ordered this one to match it.

I dont know why manufactures make the claim that it only supports 8GB, because it certainly worked fine with 16 GB. Just a heads up though on that note, I want to say I've read that installing anything over 8 GB can void the warranty if thats something that matters to you.

Some cameras (like the Foscam FI8910W) can upload to FTP on motion alert. You can enable FTP on the qnap and setup an account. I've done it.

I'm pretty confident that none of the off-the-shelf doorbells allow for it. There's no incentive. Monthly service charges are too lucrative.

I bought the 2GB unit, and it came shipped with 2x1 (It only has 2 slots). I -thought- I had to buy the 8GB version for some reason, but my purchase history says other-wise.

For HDDs I am using [these beauts] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M1BUBSO/) To be fair, I ahve fairly sensitive hearing, and my wife and guests don't notice 'em much. But right now I am listening to music, and I can CLEARLY tell someone is streaming something because I hear those HDDs a-churning. I am probably ~4 feet away from it currently in my office, though.

For memory I bought these beasts as they were basically the only confirmed ones to work.

Per the hardware specs, it should be 2133 MHz DDR4. Just make sure you're getting DIMMs and not the shorter SO-DIMMs. Whether it's ECC memory or not I can't say. I'm leaning towards no so you'd be looking at a kit like this:

Kingston Technology HyperX FURY Black 64 GB Kit 2133 MHz CL14 DIMM DDR4 Internal Memory (HX421C14FBK4/64) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D8U29QQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_ue8MxbXZRR710

Maybe confirm with QNAP what the exact RAM specs are? The hardware specs on the website are not specific beyond the clock speed.

EDIT: This is the RAM listed in the accessories for the 1282 (non-TB model) - http://shop.qnap.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35_377&product_id=189

Doesn't look like anything special, you're far better off buying that Kingston kit than spending 800-900 USD getting it from QNAP.

EDIT 2: Scroll down to x82/x82T (https://www.qnap.com/i/useng/support/con_show.php?op=showone&cid=9#5_9), and just above step 5 it says 'Note: The maximum supported memory is 32GB combined.' I now wonder if there is a real software limitation implemented. Best to get in touch with QNAP.

OK. YouTube and Plex you can only access via the web, so you will be browsing. Plex Home Theater is no longer supported as a standalone app. Kodi is also a standalone app in HD Station.

I personally use this to control HD Station. The QNAP sits in my basement and i have USB to CAT5 extenders running from my living room to the basement rack, with a powered USB hub right behind the TV that the receiver dongle is connected to. There's a keyboard when you need it, easy mouse movements, it just seems to work well for HD Station and associated apps..

So I placed an order for 2x8gb from Amazon:

https://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Technology-HyperX-HX424S14IBK2-32/dp/B0722Q3243/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=ddr4%2B32gb%2B2133mhz&qid=1570462304&sr=8-4&th=1

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I went with 2x because the processor has dual channel support and it's more beneficial than running one stick of memory.

Just to give you a heads up that you can get a card with just 2 m.2 ports and no 10gb ethernet. They are about half price or more then the one with 10gb.

SATA M.2- https://www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-Dual-SATA-Erweiterung-PCIe/dp/B07CT8WHJL/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=QM2-2S-220A&qid=1554135131&s=gateway&sr=8-1

NVME M.2- https://www.amazon.co.uk/QNAP-Dual-PCIe-expansion-card/dp/B07CTD5ML5/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=QNAP+QM2-2P-244A&qid=1554135071&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull


I would suggest to save some money though and get the sata card. Drives are cheaper and the pci-e bus on the nas is only x2 so you wont get anything above 800MBps.
But yeah it would be nice to see if anything would work that isn't on the official compatibility list.

Edit: Changed the links to UK since op is obviously from their.

I've been using these things, and they seem to work pretty good. so far

https://www.amazon.com/5-Colors-SISUN-Anti-Static-Protector-protective/dp/B01M1B3XG8/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1521779318&sr=8-10&keywords=hdd+case+3.5

Damn you for finding that info. Now I need to order a couple of ecc sticks to see if they work :(. Unless someone else wants to try it for me? ECC support would be awesome even if it isn't logged. I am thinking about these:

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-KSM24SES8-8ME-Server-Premier/dp/B07BGBQ4LS/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=8gb+ecc+ddr4+sodimm&qid=1570763501&sr=8-12

I have a TS-563 as well. I think I'd just populate all 4 bays of the TR-004 with 8TB drives.

You'd still have 2 USB ports on the TS free for a USB drive dock (like this) for your swapping needs.

> Kingston HyperX Dimms

Did you use the 2133 MHz or 2400 MHz? Is ECC memory supported?

For example, which do you recommend?

• Crucial 2133 CL15 $164.00 * 2 = $328
  
• Corsair 2400 CL16 $438.99
  
• Ballistix Sport 2400 CL16 $189.99 * 2 = $379.98
  
• Kingston HyperX 2133 CL14 $494.11
  
• Kingston HyperX 2133 CL13 $215.99 * 2 = $431.98
  
• Kingston HyperX 2400 CL15 $493.24
  
• Kingston HyperX 2400 CL14 $233.99 * 2 = $467.98
  

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TS-451A is very finicky with RAM module, I've tried using Hynix and Crucial, but that didn't work.
In the end I bought ADATA 4GBx2 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HVOIKHS/ and it works well with this model.
I've read forum a user reported issue with 8GBx2, but i didnt bother to try ADATA 8GB one.

QNAP is really picky about ram. Technically they only support what they sell on their site but it is pricey. this is what I got and has been rocking for 1.5yrs in my TS-451A no issues - well there been many issues causing me to swear off qnap but the ram wasn't the issue.

ADATA Premier DDR3L1600MHz 4GB Memory Modules (ADDS1600W4G11-S) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HVOIKHS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_0k4TBbC4T4Z4M