(Part 3) Best products from r/vinyl

If you're only seeing large dust particles on the surface but not hearing much in terms of popping and crackling, then I'd go with just a basic carbon fiber brush like this AudioQuest one. If you're new to vinyl and don't already have one, it's a good thing to pick up anyway. It's good practice to brush each side before each spin. While these types of brushes won't clean a truly dirty record, they'll help your clean records stay clean.

If your records are noticeably loud and noisy then you'll probably have to go the route of wet cleaning. I see kits like this one a lot but I don't think they're really worth the money. You can do a better (and cheaper) job with:

• Microfiber Cloths - Run them all through a cycle in your washing machine (just water, no detergent) to get rid of any fuzz.
  
• Isopropyl Alcohol & Distilled Water - Put a solution of 1 part alcohol and 2 parts water into a spray bottle. You could even use as little as 1 to 4, I don't think it makes a huge difference. Make sure to get 90% plus alcohol and avoid any types of additives like menthol.
  
  You can lay one cloth flat to set the record on, spray it down and scrub around lightly with one of the cloths (it can help to dampen this with the distilled water). Personally I like to then dry the record with another cloth, spray it down with just distilled water to rinse it then dry again and repeat on the other side but you can find a method/system that works for you. If you're being super particular about it then remember to flip and replace the cloth the record is on so as not to contaminate the side you just cleaned. Also if you're worried about getting your labels wet, car applicator pads like these actually cover a label almost perfectly and they can also be used in place of a microfiber cloth to scrub the record, they work great.
  
  If you plan on sticking with vinyl for awhile though it's worth it to save up for a SpinClean. I was a skeptic for a long time but I'm glad I finally got one, it really is worth the money. It does a good job, it's well built and it's stupidly easy to use. If $80 seems too steep for a yellow plastic trough (which it really is, unfortunately) there are cheaper models such as this. Doesn't have a lid and comes with different cleaning fluid but it doesn't seem like a half bad option.
  
  Whichever option you go with always make sure you're putting your newly cleaned records into clean inner sleeves. If they were dirty in those sleeves it's very likely those sleeves are dirty too. Also remember to keep your turntable mat and stylus clean.

You'll need a record player, wether that is by means of free or purchase, you most likely need an amp also, and speakers.
I would recommend the Audio Technica AtLp60. It's cheap at 100 bucks but gets the job done. Next get an amp. For both of these, look to Amazon. Pick up a used or open box Sony Strdh190. If you don't have one, get an Amazon card, use the gift card to help defray the cost. You could get a beans new amp for less that 100. I recommend this one cause it has a phono input. The AT60 I recommend has a preamp I believe, so you'll actually want to hook it up to input 1. But, this allows you to upgrade your turntable if you come across something better at a thrift store or from a friend later. Not all turntables have preamps, if they don't, hook it to the phono input. If they do, line 1.
If you choose to get into cassettes or CD, you also have inputs for those decks as you come across them cheap.
Speakers. With this setup, you'll want speakers that can handle the newer power levels of a modern amp. 100watts. 6 or 8 ohms. Something like a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers. The RM 15 I believe is a affordable, new, good sounding speaker. Or some Polks of the same power.
All this, and your set. This isn't going to be everyone's setup, but it gets you started, listenable sound, and upgradable. All this can be had relatively affordable. 100 for the turntable, 125 for the speakers, and less than 150 for the amp if you buy it new. Until you understand more about turntables, avoid used is my suggestion, buy affordable new, nothing to do but follow the instructions.

Sony STRDH190 2-ch Stereo Receiver with Phono Inputs & Bluetooth https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078WFDR8D/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hgWnDb8R2HGM2


Audio-Technica ATLP60 Fully Automatic Stereo Belt Drive Turntable - (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008872SIO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hhWnDbN5KDF61


Polk Audio TSi100 Bookshelf Speakers (Pair, Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00192KF12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_CiWnDb6W6STNP


Klipsch R-15M Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LMF41IY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_WjWnDbS7BKBQS


These are all direct to Amazon links. Look in the used sections to get a deal on some of these and save a few bucks.
Someone mentioned it already also. Do this to love the music. Don't collect records to collect records, it's a rabbit hole of money. Just but the bands you like. Listen to an album online before you buy it to see if you'll like it if you don't know who they are. About the elusive 1dollar bin at the record store. Those records may or may not be in great shape, and do you REALLY care about polkas greatest hits from 1963? All your dad or uncles what they listen to and look for some of those records to rock out to.
Good luck. Hope this helps.

PS, my prices mentioned and names of equipment were approximate, go with what's in the links.

Here’s why:

It actually DOESN’T sound good. Normally, I’m the kind of guy who goes “if it sounds good to you, it sounds good to you”, but Victrola/Crosley/etc brand turntables have incredibly INCREDIBLY cheap components, cheap speakers (that are part of the unit, which I’ll explain why that’s bad in a second), and a bunch more stuff, crammed in an ugly form factor for like $60.

Let’s break all that down:

Cheap components - depending on the model, the Victrola is either $60, or $110, frequently on sale for much less. We must also keep in mind the laws of economics, these machines are cheaper to make then they sell for. Let’s give a conservative estimate of $70 for the 8-in-1, and $40 for the 3-in-1.

The Audio Technica AT95E NEEDLE, not even a whole turntable, not even the cartridge it goes onto, just the needle costs $35, and that’s a cheap entry level needle.

Now ask yourself: if buying a needle is nearly as much as the whole turntable costs to make... how good are those parts? Probably not that great. In fact, the needle on most cheap turntables use ceramics, rather than diamond tips. Ceramic needles not only are harsher on records, but have a poorer quality sound overall.

Then we look at the motor, we need an even speed for playing back records, and with quartz crystals or belts, that’s fairly easy, but those systems are $$$, so we have a cheapo motor that can’t handle a constant speed leading to “wow and flutter”, fluctuations in pitch and sound caused by speed differences. Now, unless you have a really really high end deck, some amounts of wow and flutter are to be expected, but the Victrola has a high amount.

Then, the tone arm. Generally speaking, the needle shouldn’t be pressing down on a record more than 3-4 grams or so, depending on the needle/cartridge you are using. Because these things are portable, they need a solution that doesn’t get goofed up when you move it, so weight from the tone arm varies BY UNIT to 10+ grams. That’s CRUSHING your record, and actively wearing out the grooves. Now, yes, records DO wear out over time, but that’s after hundreds if not thousands of plays.

And lastly, the speakers. These are contained IN THE UNIT, meaning if you are playing loud, they are shaking the whole unit, and thus the needle, and thus reducing the sound. As well as the fact that these speakers are usually quite small, and as stated before, quite cheap.

The rest of the buffalo- So that’s just the turntable! Then you’ve crammed a cassette deck, a CD player, a radio (am and fm with antenna), a aux in, and a Bluetooth receiver in there, and you have to assume the cost of those parts are as cheap as well, so you really have a $20 turntable, $10 CD player, $10 radio, $10 cassette deck, $5 aux input, $10 Bluetooth chip, and $5 for plastic assembly and now you’re realizing you’ve paid $110 for a $70 Machine that promises too much and can’t fulfill much of what it claims to do very well.

Ugly- And then this is down to personal taste: dude, that shits just ugly. Faux wood paneling, a “retro” design that never really existed, disks and buttons everywhere. I’m not saying the LP-120 looks good, but it’s leagues better in comparison.

So that’s why it’s dumped upon.

So why would you spend $110 on a $70 machine, when you could save up about $100 more, and get a DRAMATICALLY BETTER MACHINE. Yes, it's made in China like the rest of the Victrola/Crosley tables, and yes, it has a plastic body, BUT!

It has:

• A proper Quartz Lock mechanism keeping the speed constant
  
  
• A good, starter quality needle and cartridge (the above mentioned AT95E), with the ability to CHANGE IN THE FUTURE (you can't do that on a victrola)
  
  
• A tone arm weight you can set yourself, making sure weight distribution on your records is at needle manufacture recommendations
  
  
• MUCH higher quality audio components, leading to a crisper sound
  
  
• USB out, so you can record your records
  
  
• and a built in pre-amp, so all you need is a pair of cheap bookshelf speakers, and the table, and nothing else.
  
  Or, how about only $60 more, and you could get a U-Turn Orbit. It's belt driven, so if you wanna run a record at 45 RPM you'd have to move the belt, but still, DRAMATICALLY better than the motor driving a Victrola, and again, DRAMATICALLY better parts for audio. Sure it's missing a Phono preamp, but that's only $13.
  
  In short: why would you buy a $70 machine for $110 if you could save up a bit more and get something so so so much better

Phono stage/preamp:

An external will be better than an internal in most modern budget receivers.

• Schitt Mani $129, Pro-Ject Phono Box S2 $159, and Hagerman Bugle3 $189 all have switchable input impedance and capacitance settings for proper cartridge loading.
  
• NAD Electronics PP 2e Phono refurbished $119 has auto shut off.
  
• Music Hall mini plus MM/MC Phono Preamp $150 has a variable gain knob and captivate loading switches.
  
• Cambridge Solo Phono $179.
  
  Or consider a vintage solid state receiver, and most have a good internal phono stage.
  
  Receivers:
  
  Before new, consider looking for a used modern stereo receiver, Yamaha, Onkyo, NAD etc. Or even a used THX rated pre-4k AV receiver can be found for around $200 or less and have great amps, high pass crossover for the speakers if using with a subwoofer, and Audyssey room correction EQ setup.
  
  Refurbished with a one year manufacturer warranty:
  
  
• Stereo Receiver: ONKYO TX-8220 $130. Has a subwoofer output RCA pre put jack and an optical digital input. Or ONKYO TX-8140 $200 adds more power and wireless networking.
  
• Integrated amp: YAMAHAA-S301 2-Ch x 60 Watts Integrated Amplifier w/ Built-in DAC $270.
  
• AV: DENON AVR-S640H 5.2 w/HEOS $200 even with just 2 speakers, high pass crossover for the speakers if using with a subwoofer, Audyssey Multi EQ room correction speaker setup and HEOS WiFi smartphone app.
  
  Speakers: Consider looking used first for the best value.
  
  Speaker recommendations from AverageJoeAudiophile and r/HTBuyingGuide.
  
  Internet Manufacturer Direct can be a good bang for the buck with 30 day in home trials so you can try 2 or 3 pairs.
  
  
• 5.25" Wavecrest Audio HVL-1, and order on sale at Ascend $80 each + shipping, budget Ascends. Front ported. Neutral sound with a linear frequency response. Great mids which many speakers lack. To me, comparable to KEF Q100s. As with most bookshelf speakers, best with a subwoofer.
  
• 5.25" Emotiva Airmotive B1 $230. Folded ribbon high-frequency transducers.
  
• 5.25" Intimus 5B $270. Free shipping both ways.
  
• 6.5" Ascend CBM-170s $300 + $30 shipping. Neutral sound with a linear frequency response. I have these for their great mids which many speakers in the price range lack.
  
• 6.5" HSU HB-1 MK2 $280 + $60 shipping. Have a good low end if not getting a subwoofer at all or right away.
  
  On sale:
  
  
• Infinity Sale: 5.25" Infinity Reference 152 $140 refurbished, originally $350 MSRP
  
• Big 6.5" Infinity Reference 152 $175 refurbished, originally $450 MSRP.
  
• Towers on sale: Boston A250 $225 pair bogo.
  
  DIY speaker kits, build your own: Add around $75+ for tools and supplies. Kits includes pre-cut cabinets. Glue, solder, paint, assemble. Comparable to built speakers costing twice as much.
  
  
• C-Notes $100, a great starter DIY speaker.
  
• Dayton Audio BR-1 $195, 6.5", quicker and easier with pre-built and painted cabinets.
  
• Classix II MT $230 pair.
  
• HIVI $220.
  
  Speaker wire:
  
  
• Pure Copper Oxygen Free 16 Gauge Speaker Wire 50 ft, and self adjusting wire strippers with optional banana plugs to add. Or already with banana plugs, Micca, DFWCableConnection or Blue Jeans Cable.
  
  Speaker stands:
  
  
• Dayton Audio SSMB24, Monoprice Glass or Monolith by Monoprice and Audio Advisor where most are also available at Amazon. Size to get speaker center or tweeter at ear height while seated.
  
  Subwoofers on sale:
  
  
• Infinity Reference SUB R12 12" 300 Watt Powered Subwoofer $200.
  
• Infinity Reference SUB R10 10" 200W Subwoofer $140.
  
  Guides:
  
  
• Home Audio: Intro to home stereo systems • Zeos Tutorials, Diagrams and Videos • Guide to Home Audio • AverageJoeAudiophile's Guides
  
• Speaker Positioning: Speaker Placement for Stereo Music Listening and How to position your speakers for great sound.
  
• Also check out r/BudgetAudiophile.

Sidebar links are a great starting point. You've got a good grasp of the beginning points.

I would recommend going with a setup that consists of a Receiver/Amplifier, Passive Speakers, and a Turntable. Yes I left out Phono Stage Amplifier, but I would personally pick a receiver that has it built in.

For a receiver if you want to go for new my two cheap but very well featured options would be the Onkyo TX-8020 and the Onkyo TX-8220. These do have built in phono inputs. Compare the features for yourself to see what seems good to you.

If you want to go used, check out eBay and do a search for "stereo receiver", You can go with anything you think is good as well as looking into the reputation of the brands/models, though it becomes hard to find reviews of old hifi equipment. Almost anything from mid-90s and before will have a phono input that will save you the phono stage purchase.

For passive speakers a very cost effective and something I use in my setup are the Dayton Audio B652 bookshelf speakers. These are decently loud and have great sound.

For a turntable going with new ones will be more expensive and you should look at the recommended ones from the sidebar as they explain it there best. If you're going used, look on eBay for "turntable" and find something that is claimed as working well and is also a recommended brand from the sidebar links. In general something decent is 100% going to have an adjustable tonearm weight, all these new bad turntables always lack this.

One last thing you didn't explicitly ask for, but you should be knowledgeable about is cartridges. You will most likely want to buy a new one for a used turntable. I would say the most cost effective cartridges are found in the range of $50 to $150, do thorough research on installing cartridges and setting them up correctly and you should be on your way to great sound.

Hi.

Is it as simple as unscrewing the old one? - Nope. You have a little setup work to do, but it's not that hard.

I have a ground wire issue: the wire does not stay grounded for longer than 10 minutes. It is currently connected to the ground screw that is on the back of my receiver/amp. Thanks. - I don't understand this. It sounds like the ground wire is open somewhere. Time to take that table apart!

edit: also, what is the best way to ensure I have the TT at the correct weight? - This is: http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SFG-2-Stylus-Tracking-Force/dp/B00006I5SD/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334162008&sr=8-1

edit 2: I am open to having the TT professionally repaired. There is
a store in town that can handle such tasks. I am unsure of how much they would charge or what is reasonable, however. - No help here. You gotta call them and hope for the best. Make CERTAIN you get feedback from other customers before handing your table over!

BTW - I LOVE the Dual 505-2. Best looking dual table ever, IMHO.

Good luck!

For 300 bucks personally I would go with decent Powered speakers. Make sure you pick up a phono preamp as well if you go this route as opposed to using an amp+passive speakers (which is much more expensive, unless you go used). That's the setup I did, minimalist, clean, decent value, but still relatively cheap. Here's my setup for example...

https://www.amazon.com/rolls-VP29-Phono-Preamp/dp/B0002BG2R2 - Rolls VP29 Phono Preamp

https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R1700BT-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B016PATXSI - Edifier R1700BT Powered Speakers with Bluetooth - For the value these sound really awesome. Only downside is there are not great with lots of bass, they flubber. In retrospect I might have gotten something different, but most stuff I listen to isn't bass heavy so I'm not torn over it. I also wanted bluetooth in this room because it's a guest room.

https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-Elemental-Gray-Turntable-Grey/dp/B01CZW826Y?th=1 - Pro-Ject Elemental Turntable - Great value turntable on the low-end if you buy new.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000513O4/ - Tripp Lite Isobar surge protector - Because I'm paranoid about this stuff and these are high end surge protectors that we use at work. They are bulletproof.

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So anyways... for 300 bucks you can pick up the same phono preamp and these...

https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R2000DB-Bluetooth-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B01CDU3IAI

I hear the R2000's don't have the same bass issue that the r1700 does, but they cost a lot more. Edifier is kind of one of the best in value right now, it's "Chi-Fi" good. The hardcore audiophile kiddos are often brand-whores, so take their allegiance with a grain of salt and try to remain objective, read reviews, technical analysis, etc..

https://www.amazon.com/Audioengine-A2-Powered-Speaker-System/

The A2's always get good reviews in this price range, I have no personal experience, but there are recent reviews that show problems with quality control, maybe the company is getting worse?

https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-2017-R-14PM-Powered-Monitor/dp/B075JRF295

A lot of people swear by the Klipsch powered monitors once you get into this price range, but I don't have any personal experience, maybe someone else can chime in, just showing it here because you might want to consider it, read about them more.

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Signature-S20-Bookshelf/dp/B01LVWWXQG

These are just barely in the price range, definitely consider them, my friend has a Polk setup and he loves it. These seem to get good reviews from hip hop heads too, so the bass response must be good.

It really depend on your musical taste, the room, what kind of setup you are wanting to go with overall and for what purpose though. If you want to be able to handle everything, up the budget, or buy used honestly. If you stay on a small budget and buy new, you are going to have to have compromises. I was wiling to have that compromise, but others may not.

The LP-60 is considered the very bottom of entry-level turntables. It's not murder on vinyl like the BSR tables (though some here might disagree), but it isn't a "hi-fi" turntable by any means. But if you do decide to go that route, you will need speakers and a way for the sound to be amplified to those speakers.

There are generally two types of speakers: passive and powered. Passive speakers will need an amplifier (in the form of a receiver, integrated amplifier or separate pre-amp/amplifier) to send sound out to the speakers. Powered speakers will have their own built in amplifier.

In addition to speakers and amplifier, turntables need a specialized phono preamp. The phono preamp converts the signal from the turntable into a line-level signal that most audio equipment can handle. It also add equalization called the RIAA Curve to compensate for some of the limitations of the vinyl medium.

The LP-60 has a built-in phono preamp, so that part is taken care of. What you will need next is to decide on what type of speakers you want. There are good powered speakers, like Audio Engine, but they can be fairly spendy. Some people use powered monitors designed for mixing music, but I find that they aren't "musical" and can be fatiguing over long listens. You can also get a cheap 2.1 system, but the sound quality will be lacking.

I would recommend going the passive speaker route. If you have a local craigslist, your best bet is to find a decent '90s era receiver. Equipment from the '90s, especially older home-theater units, are the best value in audio gear right now. They aren't desired by collectors because of their plain look, but they were manufactured at a time when quality and power output standards were high.

If you get one of those receivers, I would then recommend getting a pair of these Pioneer BS-22-LR speakers:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR

http://www.stereophile.com/content/pioneer-sp-bs22-lr-loudspeaker

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/a-great-bookshelf-speaker/

http://www.budgetphile.com/2013/10/budget-speaker-review-pioneer-sp-bs22-lr.html

They routinely go on sale for $99 (and sometimes $89). Keep an eye out at the big retailers and usually within a month one of them will have them on sale and the other will follow suite suit.

If you don't want to go used, then I would recommend the Sherwood RX-4105. It's inexpensive and proven:

http://www.amazon.com/RX-4105-2-Channel-Remote-Controlled-Stereo-Receiver/dp/B0002EPWC0

Both the speakers and receiver are available at most big box and online retailers (Walmart, Best Buy, New Egg, Amazon, Target, etc.).

If you thin you are fairly serious about vinyl as a hobby, I would step up the turntable to a U-Turn Orbit and get the Sherwood RX-4109 receiver (with built-in phono preamp) instead:

http://uturnaudio.com

http://www.amazon.com/Sherwood-RX-4109-Stereo-Receiver-Black/dp/B000MBUSD6/

Finally got me a record player, the Audio Technica AT-LP120BK-USB. Purchased a few records. Took my time setting it up and have been extra careful handling everything. First couple nights went great, but now the start/stop button is doing nothing for me. Powers on but platter won't spin. Everything I've read on others with the same issue seems to be regarding an older model. If anyone can help me diagnose this without voiding the warranty I would be incredibly grateful.... or even point me to the appropriate sub to ask that would be great. I've^been^dying to hear some records.


*UPDATE Pt. II: Figured I have nothing to lose by trying yet another call to Amazon to see if the rep I ended up with would overrule the last one, by allowing me to exchange it (even though I'm a week or two outside the return window). Success, they're making an exception. Kudos to Amazon Customer Service and kudos to you guys for convincing me not to tinker with what must be a lemon. Fingers crossed the replacement doesn't have any issues so I can explore this world still new to me that is vinyl. Thanks!

Glad to assist. I'm a tremendous fan of the suspended Pioneers of that specific vintage, and have two PL-630s and a PL-600 in my turntable collection that I've restored as needed. I don't sign up for that kind of work without feeling some love for the design.

Once you're at a level of turntable that precludes obvious audible misbehaviors, like unsteady speed, noisy drives, or insufficient weight and deadness to combat vibration feedback, then probably 95% of the sound you get will be cartridge dependent. Switch your carts and the Pioneer will be the warmer one.

Failure of the tonearm to move and a whirring sound from the small motor = bad tonearm belt. Sometimes it'll just be sluggish or it'll squeal, but the fix is the same.

This is the cleaner you need. The one you linked was a cleaning solution, but this is a contact cleaner. (Less diluted.)
I fixed my stuck button by simply unplugging the deck and spraying in the tiny gaps around the button, and working it over and over until it freed up. I had to pry it up at first until the DeoxIT started doing its thing. In my experience it's a fix that'll last for many years. If that doesn't do it, there are people over at Audiokarma.com who've disassembled the buttons, and a strong search will take you to that topic. I can help you get there, because if there's anything restoring turntables has taught me, it's how to search the shit out of Audio Karma and Vinyl Engine for those who've been there before.

Any electronics repair shop with an old experienced guy is a good bet. It would take some calling around and perhaps a half-day drive. There aren't many turntable repair shops left, if any. If you're handy and can wield a soldering iron when the chips are down, I'll bet you can fix it. I did my first TT restoration with nothing but basic auto mechanic experience and I got through it. If you enjoy this sort of thing, you'll find working on the Pioneer rewarding due to the quality and cleverness of the design. It will quickly become apparent why it sold for twice the money of the Dual. The $400 it cost then is $1200 in today's money, and that was a mass production price. Aluminum plinth with no plastic in sight. Booyaaa.

If the platter and armboard move at all, your transit screws have been removed. The Japanese used short suspension travel, whereas the Brits and the Germans favored Baja trophy truck suspension. All that matters is that it is truly suspended during normal use, and not up against either the high or low limits. If it is, it can be adjusted.

Turntable: That's pretty much the setup I have. I like it. Do you need the acrylic platter? I don't think so. But it does look great. The Cue is nice to have, though I find myself using it less and less these days.

Preamp / Receiver: This will depend on the speakers you go with. You mention the Mackie CR4s. I also have those. But note that those are powered speakers, which means you don't need an amp/receiver. For those, you just need a preamp. And for a preamp, I'd go with the one U-Turn offers. It's regarded as a good preamp.

Speakers: The Mackie CR4s are very nice bookshelf speakers. If bookshelf speakers are going to work for you, they'll work. If you have a larger room or simply want a really loud, full system, then you likely want to go with floor speaker and a receiver.

RCAs: The ones that come with the U-Turn are great. In fact they are better than the fancy ones I bought.

Preservation and Cleaning: Those outer sleeves are fine. I go a bit cheaper on the outer sleeves and use these: https://www.amazon.com/RPM-Record-Sleeves-100-Count/dp/B003NG2WIG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1469895431&sr=1-2&keywords=LP+outer+sleeves

For inner sleeves, the two you mentioned are pretty much the two brands everyone uses.

For vinyl cleaning, there's a lot of opinions. I opted for a cheap solution: http://imgur.com/a/V3Tbn

For stylus cleaning, the zerodust is great. I, again, opted for cheaper and went with the Magic Eraser method.

I suggest the Pro-ject pre amp

For speakers I don't know, I have a pair of Audio Pro addon t8's but they seem to be way pricier in US. Basically anything that fits your budget and has gotten favorable review usually is enough to get a nice sound out of your TT.

If you want to save a bit on the pre amp then you might wanna take a look at TCC TC-750, that would also do the trick, it is now for a pretty reasonable reduced price so be quick.

Speakers that I can recommend without a reservation would be these audio engine A2+. They are solid small powered speakers that would do your vinyls justice.

All together the TCC 750 with the A2+ now add up just shy of 300. This would be setup that with your TT will go a long way before a need to upgrade although I would add a sub when you get the chance.

If you want to save more, you could go for these Mackie CR4 but you can't add a powered sub to these, use them for your PC trough USB and don't have an option to add wireless support later. So it comes with a lack of features.

Just got a huge collection from my dad (lucky me) contains some first prints of Led Zeppelin II and IV (US not Germany) and tons of other beauties (my fave Steve Miller Band's first album first print) and I would just like to know the best way to keep them you know, safe. They aren't all the best quality condition wise but they're from my dad, so you know, sentimental.

I found these https://www.amazon.com/RPM-Record-Sleeves-100-Count/dp/B003NG2WIG but i don't know if this is what I need i'm a complete noob. Is there something like a filer that I could use instead so i could sort it by artists?

Also, about something to actually keep them in besides a tub? I'll be listening to them all the time cause I absolutely love the sound of a nice vinyl on high quality speakers. I'm quit low on money so anything cheap would work I'm not worried about looking like the fanciest guy in town. I'm lucky enough with the speakers I have and the albums I attained.

I remember doing some research on this sub before buying mine, some good reviews for the Behringer 4400 was tossed around frequently. So I got that. It did its job, but it had a pretty weak output honestly.

I then did some more digging and stumbled across the ART DJPRE III Phono Plus. I got this one because the gain/output was adjustable, and I've used one similar in my local record shop and liked that feature. Plus it has the function of hooking it up to my computer via a USB port and transferring some of my records I don't have digital copies of.

If the USB function doesn't sound necessary then I'd look into the DJPRE III which looks to be mostly the same minus the USB.

Volume wise if I plugged in my iPod with the Behringer it could be at '45' on the amplifier while I would have to max out to '70' to have a similar volume output. Now with the ART my records are audibly as loud as my digital files. Clarity wise I have a modest system so it's clean along with being powerful enough for my needs. For reference I have a Project Debut Carbon turntable, Sony STRDH750 for my receiver, and ELAC B6 "bookshelf" speakers (bookshelf in name only, they're large but fantastic for the price).

I have an Audio Technica AT-LP60BK, and I have noticed that it plays some records perfectly fine, and some records slightly too fast. I usually play new records, although I have a few oldies as well! The oldies seem to play fine, except for my Blondie record, which plays slightly too fast. All four of my King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard records all seem to play fine, also! But, I have a new Washed Out record that plays slightly faster than it should, as well as a Sunbeam Sound Machine record(also new), and they're both quite noticeable to me. But the rest of my new records play fine, alongside most of my oldies, 25 in total. If I gently apply pressure to the middle of the records in question while they are playing, they sound normal! I wonder if it's a problem with the turntable, or the records themselves. I appreciate all help!

You might consider a tracking force gauge like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SFG-2-Stylus-Tracking-Force/dp/B00006I5SD

Too much force can damage your records, but not as much as you think, and it would take quite a few spins and have to be pretty heavily weighted.

The deeper/wider grooves on the record are the bass notes, and with too little tracking force you may not be getting the needle deep enough to get the most bass out of your records.

That's why I'd suggest getting a tracking force gauge. Once you balance the tone arm and put on the cartridge/headshell you can use the tracking gauge to keep your counterweight honest. Just because you set it at 1 1/4 doesn't mean it's accurate. Your cartridge has a recommended tracking force that should be easily googled if you don't have the manual it came with.

You also want to make sure your stylus isn't tilted too far left or right. There are tools for that as well and it's a huge pain in the rear, but paying attention to these things will bring you hours of vinyl spinning pleasure with minimal wear to your precious records.

The end.

I'm looking to upgrade my receiver and speakers, but I want to know if what I'm thinking of getting is actually an upgrade. Currently I have my table, a Technics SL-235, going into a pre-amp, which goes into a Sony CMT-BX5BT that I got for free. I'm looking to replace it with some gear from the cheap setup thread, namely a Fentac Tripath 2020A and some Dayton B652 speakers. I know I could probably do better used, but I live in a semi-remote area, so my craigslist listings are usually pretty slim pickings, and what I've seen there lately has either been super cheap or $300+. Would this actually sound any better? I know I'll lose some functionality that I have now in the receiver, but all I ever use it for is pushing my record player, so I won't miss any of that stuff. They only thing I'd maybe miss is the headphone jack, so if you have any suggestions on how to resolve that let me know :)

Yeah at that point you can get a Crosley C100. Crosley gets a lot of hate on here but the brand itself doesn't mean anything, they just rebadge (mostly) Chinese turntables. The company that people actually hate is Skywin, which makes those suitcase record players. Crosley sells a lot of those. But this is a Hanpin turntable, which are much better quality. Granted, this still isn't what I would consider a good turntable. But it's a significant step above an LP60. I would recommend a C100 to a beginner, I wouldn't recommend an LP60. If you go second hand you could get something five times better for half the price.

But in the under-$100 category, I just noticed this thing. It's only $80 and looks comparable to the C100. You'd definitely want to buy a new cartridge for it because the one on there is crap, but otherwise it looks superior to an LP60. While not good, I think it likely is acceptable. But used will be much better.

Turntable: Pro-Ject Debut Carbon - $399.00. I don't like the cartridge options on this one so if it were me I'd get the cheapest cartridge option, sell the cheap bundled cart, and buy a new one. The table itself gets really positive reviews though, everyone was pretty stunned when this came out for this price. Carbon fiber tonearms used to be mostly attached to $2000+ tables.

Amp: While it's tempting to recommend vintage gear here, it cost me a nice chunk of time, money, and research to get my all-vintage rig up and running, and there are very nice modern options that will match the modern table better and sound incredible, all with no hassle.

I like the Marantz PM5004 - $449.00. Great brand, great specs, and a built-in phono pre-amp. You can always get a better pre-amp if you want to upgrade to a low output, high end Moving Coil cartridge in the future, but this will sound great and you may feel no need to ever upgrade.

Cartridge: I've heard a handful of $200.00 and below cartridges in my time and this $69.00 cartridge is my favorite so far - Shure m97xe. It's cheap and sounds incredible. It gets brought up a lot, but it's wildly popular for a reason.

That leaves $83 for speakers and wires. You can go a bit low here and get these nice Dayton 6.5 inch bookshelfs for around $30.00, or spend a bit more than your budget and get the $149.00 Pioneer SP-BS41-LR in this price range. They were designed by famed speaker designer Andrew Jones and get great reviews.

I did my research ~1 yr. ago, and decided to buy a U-Turn Orbit Basic. I haven't been disappointed. They are considered the best budget TT around unless you get really lucky and find a nice vintage turntable in good condition. The Orbit plays 33 1/2 and 45, can take any cartridge you may want to upgrade to, and costs $179 for the "Basic" (that's what I have, although I did get the cork mat for $20). you are going to need a good budget phono preamp with that though, either opt for the Orbit with the Pluto amp built in (+$70), get the Pluto separate (+$90) or check out the Rolls VP29 ($49) or another from the link. If you already have speaker(s) to plug into, great! If you only have headphones, you'll need a headphone amp. I love my American made Shiit Magni 2 ($99).

Denon Dp-300F. The best value when it comes to a good quality turntable that is fully automatic. Extremely easy to use, excellent sound, excellent design. Adjustable counter weight and anti-skate, with a stock cartridge that is decent and isn't going to chew up records. All-in-all, the perfect solution for your mother and other's similarly situated.

Everyone will probably bash that table. Honestly you need to check craigslist. You can find a 10x better tt for the same price used. Direct drive technics with a p mount was perfect for me as a beginner. Consult this chart for value and specs for technics. http://vintagetechnics.co.uk/turntables.htm

For speakers, you can likely only afford a lepai amp and some bookshelves. It's best to buy them seperately so you can upgrade down the line. I use the micca mb42x and they are amazing for $80.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E7H8GG2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1422380371&sr=8-1&dpPl=1&dpID=41-MULbHU8L&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

If you are really strapped for cash or just want more budget for the TT, the Daytons are $40

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002RMPHMU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1422380443&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=415%2Blb1v0JL&ref=plSrch

Amp http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0049P6OTI/ref=pd_aw_sims_3?pi=SS115&simLd=1


And if you save a bit more and can't find a good used model or just can't wait to buy new, the u turn is much better than the lp60 at $170. Just need a preamp.

http://store.uturnaudio.com

I am! I'm using the ART USB Phono Plus and I love it. It is admittedly overkill, though -- internally it has the same preamp circuit as the ART DJPre II.

I grabbed the USB Phono Plus over the DJPre II because the Phono Plus also has a USB output and a built in headphone amp. My setup didn't have a headphone output and I wanted to listen at night without waking the neighbors. The USB output is also a plus because I like to digitize some of my thrift finds for kicks, and I want to be able to do that even after I eventually rip out the built-in preamp (haven't done that quite yet, but I've been inside my TT -- looks super simple, even with my rusty soldering skills).

I'm really impressed with the ART, though. It has great sound for my price range. Much nicer than the built-in preamp to my ears.

The LP60x costing $99 at Best Buy, I'd love to see your list of "better alternatives" at the price point.

I don't mean to be a dick, but it's a very common "audiophile" move to poo-poo something and say "there are better options at this price point" and never list those options.

The closest turntable with an actual counterweight you will get is probably the Crosley C100. And that costs $136.99 on Amazon, which is significantly more than $99.

Buying this $99 turntable is significantly better than getting a suitcase style player like the Cruiser or the Victrola.

This isn't the turntable you're going to stay with the rest of your life. But it's a pretty good place to start.

I have jerry rigged plenty of turntables up for sampling so... let's see what we can do here...

(1) Pick up a used turntable from your local craigslist or used electronics shop (follow the guide or post here for recommendations). Depending on your location, $100 will find a basic vintage turntable. Make sure you get a new stylus, maybe even a new cartridge depending on what you want to do. If you want to do backcueing, starting and stopping on the fly, or scratching, get a DJ-oriented cartridge. I recommend the Shure M44-7, it's a workhorse and widely available, you can even pick them up at Guitar Center if there is not an audio shop around you. Runs about $60-70. DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT backcue, start and stop on the fly, or scratch with a regular cartridge. You will fuck up your stylus and your record.

(2) As long as the 2i2 has a built in preamp (not sure if the mic preamps on it will work for all turntable--see comment below) all you need to go from your turntable to your 2i2 are adaptors that go from RCA to 1/4 jacks that you can then plug into your 2i2. You can pick them up at Radio shack or order them online. You can use a regular RCA cable and then use these RCA-to-1/4 adaptors, they are like $3... Radio shack will have them if you don't want to order them online. You could also pick up a RCA-to-1/4 cable, these are more expensive and I would just go with the first option as it also allows you to use better cables, but that's up to you. These are your cheapest options to get you started. The best way to sample is to run your turntable into a dedicated audiocard with RCA/phono jacks on your computer... something to think about in your future.

(3) If the mic preamps on the 2i2 do not work or sound weird because they do not have RIAA equalization, then you might need a phone preamp amp. The cheapest one that gets recommended around here is the ART DJPRE II which is $50. You would hook up your turntable to the preamp and then run the cables with the adaptors mentioned in (2) to the 2i2.

(4) If (2) and (3) don't work or seem like too much you could always pick up a preamp with a USB output. I know that there is the ART USB Phono that has built in USB output for $80. I have not used this and cannot comment on the sound quality.

Good luck.

The only external phono preamp I have experience with is the ART USB Phono Plus. I mainly use phono inputs on receivers. I like it, and it gets a lot of positive respect on here.

If you want to save money and go with the non-USB version or a different cheaper brand (Behringer, Pyle) I don't think you'll lose a lot of fidelity. I bought the ART because I had heard it was the best phono preamp under $100 with USB support as well. USB support is handy if you want to make copies of records not available digitally.

I own that receiver! WOW! I actually can help someone on the subreddit for once :3

I love it honestly. It was simple to set up, and also has a lot of holes for breathing so no overheat. You need a preamp though to use a turntable with it. My AT-LP60 has a built-in one so no need for me to have one. Bluetooth works great from my laptop and phone. Long-range as well. 2 Speaker Sets. Good Balance and you can adjust the treble and Bass if need be.

I bought these speakers with it and the cables connect fine. No need to order extra really.

Hey guys!
My girlfriend is a music lover and her birthday is coming up so I wanted to surprise her with a new turntable. Her old Crosley turntable crapped out recently after only on year of use.

I am a complete newbie when it comes to this kind of stuff, but after doing a bit of research these are the items I have decided on.

Audio Technica At-LP60BK Turntable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008872SIO/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Micca MB42 Bookshelf Speakers
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B009IUIV4A/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?smid=AFKH6OU9WWNFS&psc=1


The main issue I am having is picking an amplifier. It seems that I would need one in order to properly connect the turntable and speakers. These are the two I am looking at now, but I'm not sure if they are compatible with my set up or will have enough power. Any recommendations on which one I should pick? My budget is pretty tight.

Seeduck Lepy Mini Amplifier
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HRR5AWQ/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A1MZW54YOZT6K2&psc=1

Pyle Home Mini Amplifier
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0071HZ5EQ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

I would appreciate any help, thank you :)

Hello,

I just wanted some opinions on my setup that I'm asking for Christmas. and yes I know buying used gear is a better choice but I can't expect people giving me gifts to go hunt at thrift stores and craigslist.

Denon DP 300F

Onkyo A-9010 Integrated Stereo Amplifier

Polk Audio T15 Bookshelf Speakers

The Denon has a pre-amp right? So, do I need the Onkyo Amp? If I don't "need" the Onkyo amp would it still be worth the money e.g. improve the sound a noticeable amount?

Is anything I'm buying too cheap or too expensive for my setup? (I'm looking for an entry level setup)

How much more will I get out of a better turntable like the Orbit U-Turn would I, a novice, notice a difference? And if I do get the Orbit (and the Onkyo) should I get the Orbit with or without the pre-amp?

Finally am I making any huge mistakes? Are there any better value options than the parts I've chose?

Hey guys,

So I'm getting into vinyls and everything for my apartment and need advice with purchasing equipment. So I already but the LP60 (bluetooth model), and the Edifier R1280DB. However I'm thinking of exchanging to the AT LP3 because I want something automatic. Now here is where I need some advice. At times I want to switch from speakers to my headphones (Bose QC35) to for late night study sessions and not wanting to bother roommates. Right now through the LP60 I can easily switch from speakers to Bluetooth but I do realize how much quality is being lost from playing vinyl over bluetooth . So I was thinking to exchange my player to the Lp3 and get a headphone amplifier (such as the magni 3). Now here is my question would there be a loss of quality if I use like this Aux switcher to be able to easily switch between my headphones and speaker? Now if there is any other way someone who has insight in another way I can go I can easily exchange any of the stuff I have already bought.

Thanks appreciate the help

What is the max that you are looking to spend? Do you already have speakers or headphones?

It looks like you are going to get the best bang for your buck buying used. I'm assuming you aren't trying to drop more than $150 on a turntable. That's where what is available on your local craigslist comes into play.

Of course, if you don't feel like spending the time hunting equipment down, and are trying to stay as cheap as possible without having anything, just get the AT LP-60, Leipai amp, and Dayton Audio Speakers. Boom. Upgraded, brand new, full setup delivered to your door in two days (Prime members) for under $175. However, you would be much better off getting the LP-120 instead of the LP-60. Of course, you would definitely be even better off getting almost anything vintage and worthwhile for the $100 it costs to get that LP-60

Of course, I absolutely DO NOT recommend that you get any of the new stuff. You can get much better equipment if you take the time to track it down on the used market for $175. It will just take a little time.

Hey Guys, I'm trying to create a some-what cheap and MODERN set up for myself with multiple use (but limited channels in the receiver, so I found a receiver with Bluetooth option) and high convenience... Am I missing anything? Or is there anything I should add?

Cheap Bluetooth w/ Limited Channels Receiver

Turntable, and I really love this one.... Really Jacks Up Price

Speakers that come with wire, but adding a spool from amazon anyways...

Wire and Plugs

Do I need anything else? Hi-Fi amp or something? The turntable comes with a phono-preamp and the speakers look decent and are at my price range. Any tips on how to set this up as well? Including the best way to use the plugs or if I should get different plugs.

With the current prices of this post, the overall price is... $462.88 USD and W/O the turntable, it is $213.88 XD

Replacement Turntable that is affordable which puts the new price at $298.88

Hello,

I'm getting my first turntable and speakers soon and wanted to make sure I was getting everything I needed. I'm planning on getting a Crosley C100a-SI with these speakers. Is that all I would need to play my records? I've lurked around the sub a bit and I think I'm fine but I wanted to make sure. I know these probably aren't the best speakers or turntable but I'm okay with that to start out. Thanks for any help and any suggestions as a first-timer would be great!

Out of the ones I've seen recommended in this sub:

> "I just need something."

• ART DJPREII - $49
  
  > "I want something decent."
  
  
• Pro-Ject Phono Box MM - $79
  
• U-Turn Pluto - $99
  
  > "I want something really good."
  
  
• Pro-Ject Phono Box - $129
  
• Schiit Mani - $129
  
• Emotiva Audio XPS-1 - $179
  
  ***
  
  I've personally had my eye on a Schiit Mani but might save up for a Tube Box S. I play guitar so anything tube kinda draws me in. I still need to mod the preamp out of my LP120 so I don't fully know how well my Klipsch's preamp is performing. If it's good enough then I can save up for the Tube Box S.

What's the best way to make sure my record collection lasts a long time? Is it fine to just store them on a shelf as is in a cool area? Or is it advised to store each in their own polypropylene sleeves like these here? New to collecting so I want to make sure I'm doing everything right.
Also cleaning. Am I good with just one of those brushes like this? Or do I need some spray too?

Absolutely! This is my first table as well and I love it. /u/adayinalife has the right idea, you'll benefit from some extras. For sure get a pre amp to actually hear anything unless you have an amp with a phono input already.. Totally spaced that when I got the Carbon and everything was reeeeaaaaalll quiet when I played anything... Pro-Ject makes this bad boy and I'm happy with it. It's another giant plug to deal with just fyi, not a bad trade though: http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-Audio-Phono-Pre-amplifier-Black/dp/B000YEK1AQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462769766&sr=8-1&keywords=project+phono+amp

Amazing price for an amp (refurbished), would jump on this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-Topaz-SR20-Stereo-Receiver-Black-Refurbished/253274315396?hash=item3af8535a84:g:0xwAAOSwGwlaFxHZ

If sold out (theres 1 left), go with this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cambridge-Audio-Topaz-SR10v2-Stereo-Receiver-Black-Refurbished/253276591381?hash=item3af8761515:g:lPcAAOSwsFpaGLPL


These look to be great value for speakers: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pack-6-5-3-Way-Tower-Floor-Standing-Speakers-Home-Theater-Audio-DCM-MTX-Pair/174021794501?hash=item288481dac5:g:Ax0AAOSwSBddcosb

Klipsch are great too: https://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-RP-150M-Bookshelf-Speaker-Cherry/dp/B00RXHEH8Y/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=rp%3D-150&qid=1571448723&sr=8-1&th=1

These have had a decent writeup as well: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

Hi guys, hoping you could help me with a basic setup. My dad passed recently and left me about 200 vinyl records, mostly from the 70's and 80's. I'd like to listen to them, but I do not have any sort of set up.

I looked at the suggested threads / wiki, and it looks like I'll need a turntable, amp, and speakers. There's a lot more I can get, but for now I'm just happy with a barebones setup so I can listen to some old jams.

I live in USA-MI, and my budget is $200-500. A few caveats:

• I live in an apartment complex. I do not need it to be too loud / window shaking.
  
• I have limited space - tall, 3' speakers are out of the question.
  
• I have this desk.
  
• My goal was to put the turntable atop the desk, then find a shelf to put under it if I need an amp / other equipment / storage for records.
  
  Anyways, here's what I found:
  
  
• Crossley C100A-SI, decent turntable for the price.
  
• Edifier R1280T Speakers, seem small enough to politely sit on the desk.
  
  Questions:
  
  
• Is this all I need? Will the speakers plug directly into the turntable? Will the turntable come with a needle?
  
• How much of a difference are the ~$100 turntables vs the 200 / 300? Will I actually notice it, or is it mostly just marketing?
  
• Are there better recommendations for my budget? If so, what would you recommend and why?

[$400] Need some help with a full setup. [Austin, TX, USA]

Currently coming from an LP-60 paired with 7.1 Onkyo TX-SR506 surround sound setup in a shared room and this new setup is for my bedroom.

I'm pretty much set on the Fluance RT81 ($250), however, I'm unsure if I should get a cheap AV receiver + passive speaker bundle for $100-200 on CL (using the receiver+passives for my 4K TV might be nice), or if I should consider powered speakers: Edifier R1280DB - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0719C132V and skip the receiver. For the time being, I'll probably be skipping the preamp in favor of Fluance's built in one. Please help me decide on the speakers!

I find it's best stored in damp, warm places, or if possible near open flame. Under a furnace, or near but not in, a fireplace.

Yeah you're fine dude. Vertical is best. If you wanna preserve the jacket, get outer sleeves like these and keep the record in the sleeve alongside the jacket, in the clear outer sleeve. Then you won't end up with ringwear on the jacket after a couple years.

You're going to hate me for suggesting passive speakers, but I think you'd be better off buying him a cheap Lepy amp and a pair of Dayton B652 speakers, which is a setup I've made before. I can attest to its sound quality and great value, and if your brother would like to upgrade his speakers in the future, he wants passive.

If you absolutely need powered, go for the Edifiers.

I've been listening with headphones since I've gotten my turntable and I decided I'd like to get some speakers for it as well. I've got a Fluance turntable as well as a Little Dot Mk2 headphone amp. I've been considering getting these speakers. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm assuming I'm going to need another amp for the speakers? Any suggestions on a mid priced amp, or will the Mk2 work for speakers as well? Will those speakers work fine with my turntable? Any help is appreciated!

Stay away from those Crosley's, if you can. If you're looking for a cheap (but decent) entry-level turntable, look into the Audio Technica LP 60. Pair them up with a cheap (but decent) set of powered speakers, like the Edifier R1280T.

Total will be about $200, but you'll be much much much better off.

Edit: I don't know anything about the TT in the last link, but it looks ok. Just steer clear of all-in-one type players. Cheers!

The Urturn you linked is a fine table, however it will not work with the speakers you linked to out of the box. The Uturn has the option of coming with a built-in phono preamp, this is not the same as an amplifier for speakers.

Basically, the audio chain for a turntable is:
Turntable --> Phono preamp --> amplifier --> speakers
These don't have to be four separate components- powered speakers have the amplifier built in to them, and some amplifiers and turntables have the phono preamp built in.

How you want to achieve this is up to you: separate components take up more space and add in complexity while also allowing you to upgrade pieces. If you want a simple setup that will sound decent, the best option might be the uturn with the built in preamp, and a set of powered speakers like these or these. The speakers you linked are passive and if you want to use them you will need an amplifier like this which also has a phono preamp built-in.

The Urturn comes with a cartridge- most entry to midlevel turntables do (only really high-end tables come without them) so you don't need to worry. As for cables, everything in the audio path I listed above is connected with RCA cables except amplifer to speakers, which use speaker wire like this

I have enjoyed the project line in the past. I had a project essential before. It is a pretty TT and it is simple. It would however require you to buy a amplifier or a preamp. It doesn't have any of the bells and whistles like auto stop and start. I think its around 200 quid.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/PRO-JECT-13205-Pro-Ject-Essential-Turntable/dp/B00DKSUHO8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425330554&sr=8-1&keywords=project+turntable

Recently I bought a Denon DP-300F Fully Automatic Analog Turntable. It has a built in preamp if I wanted to use it and is fully automatic. I upgraded the needle to a Shure M97E and have fallen in love with it. In a way I enjoy it more then I did my Project turntable for ease of use.

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-DP-300F-Automatic-Analog-Turntable/dp/B000FMNBXG

Not sure if its for sale in the UK.

Personally I don't think you can go wrong with either. I do not have any experience owning a Audio Technica TT. Hope that helps.

Audio Technica LP-60 is like as low as you can go if you want brand new and pretty safe. Or save a little more and move into the $250 dollar range for many options. Also the Denon DP-300F is on sale universally right now for $200 and is a pretty easy turntable.
Denon DP-300F Fully Automatic Analog Turntable https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FMNBXG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_FmHQzbY2QWVXW

if i bought this turntable, do i just need to buy speakers in order to listen to it? like do i need a receiver, amp, subwoofer, preamp or anything? and if not then what would be the benefits of getting those separate things?

also if anyone could recommend a good speaker system for around $150 that'd be great!

For that budget (more or less) I would choose:

-Turntable: Pro-ject ESSENTIAL PHONO. Includes a very decent cartridge. 299$. It is worth it spending the extra 30 bucks.

-Amp:Sherwood RX-4109 99$. That is only if you want a new one, and from amazon. For that price you could find something better but used, or you could search a bit more for sales. But for the price it is a solid choice.

-Speakers:Sony SS-B3000. 75$ Those look decent. There is a lot of choice in budget speakers, but those are good bang for the buck from those offered at Amazon.

Total 475$ instead of your 433$ (cables excluded). The amp I suggested has a phono stage too, so for 500$ you are ready to go. Whatever you choose, don't try to save money on the TT. If 300 is too much for you, you could get a used one that would be still better and cheaper that the Audiotechnica.

I have a Denon AVR 1803. Because most new DVD and Blu-Ray discs do not work with this receiver anymore you can get it on ebay for less that $100 shipped and it has a phono input. You dont have to go with this unit specifically but there are many receivers like this on the second hand market. You can also get any receiver with a line in and add This: http://www.amazon.com/rolls-VP29-Phono-Preamp/dp/B0002BG2R2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

If you want to go new I think Checkerdamic has a great recommendation with that Onkyo.

So. Holy shit. This answers every question I had and then some. Thank you so much!

Right now I have powered speakers that don't require a receiver in order to play but it sounds to me like there's not a whole lot of headroom. This is what I was planning on upgrading to: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0719C132V/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_55DYDbT4Q8E22

It seems like I'll be able to do more with these in general, and I'll stick to that receiver so that seems like a good combo! And then I can add a new cartridge (I was looking at the brand you mentioned anyway).

Dayton Audio B652 Bookshelf Speakers These will run ya a tad over $35 shipped via Amazon and are the best budget speakers I have ever owned. I still use em with my secondary setup. but for the price they will sound better than most cheap Bluetooth setups. Good luck!

I'm near Philadelphia and my price range is $500-$650. I'm hoping to make sure my beginner setup will work before I pull the trigger(s). Thanks in advance!

Planning to buy the below:

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Fluance RT81 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F2EXIFM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1WPEQCN6WJKZG&psc=1

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Yamaha R-S202BL Stereo Receiver - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078T9R55D/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

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Q Acoustics 3010 - https://www.amazon.com/Acoustics-Compact-Bookshelf-Speakers-Graphite/dp/B00TR1QOEY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Q%2BACOUSTICS%2B3010&qid=1554523940&s=gateway&sr=8-1&th=1

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I'm wondering if there's that big of a difference between the sound I could get from the Yamaha amp verses something like this Lepy (https://www.amazon.com/Lepy-LP-2024A-HA-LP-2024A-Stereo-Amplifier/dp/B00ULRFQ1A/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=lepy&qid=1554556598&s=gateway&sr=8-3)

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Also, if the Yamaha amp has an output of 100w and the speakers recommended power is 15w-75w, does this make them incompatible?

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Thanks again.

I had an old Bang & Olufsen turntable that no longer works. I was looking to get a new turntable for around $100 and have a question.

I found this one: Original

Then I found the same one with a $100 modification: Modified

If anyone can explain the $100 value in this modification and give advice on which one is the better purchase, it would very much appreciated! Also if anyone has any better ideas for a turn table around this budget that would be great.

As everyone mentioned, buy a used TT. Typically, you can find stuff used, in good working order, and much higher quality than anything new in the price of $75-150. I personally like the Pioneer line of direct-drive turntables from the late 70s and early 80s. Something like the PL-518.

What are you planning to buy for speakers and amplification? Whereas there haven't been advances in turntable technology because there hasn't been a market for 20+ years, there actually have been some great advances in speakers and amplification during that time. So I'd recommend you buy new for these pieces. Be aware, the mass market products are generally crap these days (think HTiB stuff--the mass market just doesn't care anymore).

For ~$100, one could pickup a a pair of Micca MB42s or a pair of DA B652s and power them off something like an Indeed TA2021.

Of course you'd still need a phono pre-amp (look at the Art DJ Pre II) and bear in mind, you won't have any input switching with that setup. If want to switch in different inputs, Yamaha has an affordable line of stereo receivers. The R-S201 for $150 will still need a phono pre-amp.

To be fair, you didn't give a budget in your original comment. :) How much are you willing to spend? If you're planning on buying new, but $300 is too much, then there are some cheaper options (but not many). Keep in mind that a new, decent-quality turntable will run you at least a couple hundred dollars. Take a look at the Entry-level turntable buying guide if you haven't already.

The bare minimum cheapest turntable recommended by this subreddit is the Crosley C100, which can be found for under $150. Crosley is a brand infamous for it's cheap, lousy, suitcase-style record players and other "toys" usually found in department stores, but the C100 is at least a halfway-respectable model because it contains the features of a proper turntable (counterweight, adjustable tracking force, antiskate, etc). I think it's a fine choice if you're just getting into the hobby.

If you're willing to pay a little more, the Denon DP-300F has recently dropped in price, and would be a step up in quality. It also features automatic playback (meaning that the tonearm can automatically move itself to the start of the record, cue itself, and then lift back up at the end. A nice luxury to have, but not a necessary feature, or even a desired one by many vinyl enthusiasts).

There are more options on that guide, but those are just a couple to consider. If you're really tight on money, you'll have to buy used. Many people on this subreddit are advocates for buying used stuff, since vintage Japanese turntables made in the late 70's/early 80's are renowned for their quality, and you can get lucky and find good deals on them in the classifieds, or at garage sales, etc. But, unfortunately I'm not much of an expert in that area.

Also keep in mind that, if you do go vintage, you will also need to make sure you own a receiver, or buy an audio-preamp for the turntable, since old turntables did not use built-in preamps.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

I asked something similar last week, but how good of a turntable would the Crosley C100 be? https://www.amazon.com/Crosley-C100A-SI-Turntable-Adjustable-Counterweight/dp/B016OVYIK6?th=1

I'm looking to upgrade from my Sony PS-LX300USB, and this seems to have everything I'm looking for on it. If it weren't for the Crosley branding on it, I would say this looks downright perfect. But I'd like some professional opinions on it before I think about buying.

[Budget: Below 1k.]

Hello, everyone! I never really thought I would ever get into vinyl at all, but after acquiring a few choice albums I really enjoy listening to, I figured I would start the journey! I've been doing some research, and I was wondering how these pieces work out for starting out (Wanted to remain under $1k for the entire thing.).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GA9COMM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (Audio Technica AT-LP120)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008NCD2S4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (Pioneer SP-FS52 Speakers)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EE18O7W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (Onkyo TX-8020 Stereo Receiver)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009RT2IAK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (And some Banana Plugs to connect it all, of course.)

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!

This is the amp I have. I think it's great, although I'm not an audiophile. It got very good reviews for being an excellent value for the price.

There are some excerpts from reviews on this page.

I would go with the P3, but does it also come with a cartridge? Also make sure it includes the glass platter. The P3-24 has the added benefit of being able to connect to the external Rega powersupply TT-PSU (which I recommend). I have the RP3 with the TT-PSU and I feel I will never need to buy another turntable for the rest of my life.

As for a phono pre-amp, check THIS out. I have it and it is fantastic. Gets power from USB, and acts as a phono preamp AND an analog-digital converter so you can record your records to your computer. Also can be used with headphones.

Hi all,

I'm looking for some cartridge assistance/general information on a first TT I am purchasing as an x-mas gift for my girlfriend (she's rad).

I've read all the links and guides and have finally settled on two choices for a new TT: the Fluance RT83

or the Denon DP-300F

The Denon DP-300F is on sale for black Friday currently so I am leaning towards it. That being said, I would like to replace the cartridge on it with a Ortofon 2M Red. How difficult would it be for someone completely new to TT's like myself to replace the cartridge? Would I be better off purchasing it already upgraded from another source and just pay the difference for the work and peace of mind that it is done correctly: https://www.turntablelab.com/products/denon-dp-300f-turntable-ortofon-2m-red-upgrade

Also, as a side note, I am looking at pairing both with an active speaker (I'll upgrade and do things the right way as I get more funds--ugh!). And if I go with RT83 I'll pick up a Schiit Mani pre-amp as well. To hook everything up, all I'll need is two pairs of RCA cables for connecting the TT to the pre-amp and then another pair to connect pre-amp to speakers correct? I would hate to get everything all packaged together for x-mas and then figure out I didn't even get the right cables to hook this bad boy up.

Cheers

do you already have any kind of turntable? if not, i'd recommend doing this:

this turntable for $70.

this cartridge for $45.

this preamp for $80 converts to USB and seems pretty solid.

that comes to probably $250 including shipping (if you don't have amazon prime). you can spend any part of the remaining $100 on a better cartridge which will improve sound quality at every price increase. audiotechnic makes very solid low-end carts.

edit: or you could skip the USB preamp and spend the cash on another preamp and a new soundcard with a line-in and some cables (the cables don't need to be fancy).

What would be the difference between these Phono Preamps? They all vary in price, and I've seen them all talked about on this sub, and I've researched review sites/videos on Google and YouTube, etc. And I really can't find someone saying one or the other is clearly better. There's just so many preamps I see that are recommended, and I keep asking questions in this thread to get a better idea so that I can purchase one.

Schiit Mani -- http://schiit.com/products/mani

Music Fidelity V90 LPS -- https://www.amazon.com/Musical-Fidelity-V90-LPS-Phono-Preamp/dp/B00E5BY9SO/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1475180747&sr=1-2&keywords=schiit+mani

Rolls VP29 --https://www.amazon.com/rolls-VP29-Phono-Preamp/dp/B0002BG2R2/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1475183493&sr=8-6&keywords=bellari+phono

Pro-Ject Phono Box MM -- https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-Phono-Box-Preamplifier-Black/dp/B000YEK1AQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1475183640&sr=1-2&keywords=project+phono

Hackerman Bugle 2 -- https://hagerman-audio-labs.myshopify.com/products/bugle2

Pro-Ject Phono-Box S -- https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Ject-Audio-Phono-preamplifier-Silver/dp/B007I961IQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475184602&sr=8-1&keywords=project+phono+preamp+s

These are all phono preamps that I've seen that are pretty popular on the Internet and on forums, reddit, etc, but I don't know the difference between all of these. If it helps, I just purchased a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon DC and I already have Audioengine 5 speakers.

For budget, I'd want to stick between $100 and $200, but I'm willing to go to $250.

Thank you so much, the C200 is definitely the one I'll get then, I do just want to be sure if you could confirm that speakers like this (Dayton Audio B652) will hook up straight to it and work, thank you again.

I have a beginner Jensen turntable. It isn't ideal, but it works for now. I want to upgrade the TT in the future, but for now I just want to plug some speakers into it. The TT must have a pre-amp, since it has on-board speakers. I am assuming I would just plug in an amp to the RCA jacks in the back, and then plug speakers into that amp. Would this amp and speaker combo work with my TT? Bonus question: what makes the most sense to upgrade first for sound quality? TT? Amp? Speakers?

Thanks!

I've had a U-Turn Orbit Plus for a couple of months, and am really happy with it. It sounds great and has worked perfectly. I thought about the AT-LP120 also, but decided on the Orbit because I like it's cleaner simple look.

I don't know anything about the Gemini and Stanton turntables you mentioned - but I think most people would be very happy with the U-Turn.

I'm not sure how much of a difference in sound there is between the AT95 cartridge that comes with the Orbit Basic and the Grado Black that comes with the Orbit Plus... but if it's anywhere close, I think you'd be pleased.

One thing that some people list as a downside is that it doesn't have a cue lever - but that hasn't bothered me. U-Turn is releasing a cue lever as a $40 add-on soon.

I'm using mine with the ART USB Phone Plus preamp, because I wanted to transfer some music to my computer. My one complaint about this preamp is there is no power switch... it's always on unless you unplug it. Also, this one does NOT come with a power supply, you have to buy that separately (or just keep it plugged into your computer's USB port for power).

The non-USB version, the ART DJPRE II DOES come with a power supply (but still no power switch).

Records shown, from left to right:

Algernon Cadwallader - Algernon Cadwallader

Andrew Jackson Jihad - People Who Can Eat People are the Luckiest People in the World

Deafheaven - New Bermuda

Deafheaven - Roads to Judah

Deafheaven - Sunbather

Destroyer - Kaputt

Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst

El-P - Cancer 4 Cure

Ennio Morricone - The Hateful Eight Soundtrack

Father John Misty - I Love You Honeybear

Gorillaz - Plastic Beach

Grimes - Art Angels

The Hotelier - Goodness

J Dilla - Donuts

Mac Demarco - Another One

The Mountain Goats - Beat the Champ

My Chemical Romance - I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me
Your Love

Sufjan Stevens - Carrie and Lowell

Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise

Sufjan Stevens - Michigan

Tool - Lateralus

Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestite

Currently listening on a Jensen (I know) with some okayish water speakers. Upgrading VERY soon to a new turntable and some new speakers

All of my records are sleeved in Sound Sleeves brand clear sleeves because I am worried about wear.

I just purchased this same set-up (Pro-ject + Audioengine A5+) and think it is an excellent combination. As mentioned previously, you will need a preamp. This is the one I picked up, and I am very happy with the sound. Enjoy! http://www.amazon.com/Rolls-VP29-Phono-preamplifier/dp/B0002BG2R2

Here is one for a little over $100. HH Gregg had it for $99 (plus tax) but I'm not sure if they still do. Very affordable and will give you a pretty decent sound. But definitely look at thrift stores and flea markets for good used speakers. http://www.amazon.com/Sherwood-RX-4109-Stereo-Receiver-Black/dp/B000MBUSD6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409084434&sr=8-1&keywords=sherwood+rx-4109

> if the extra $20 would be worth investing in.

Your extra $20 will get you basically the same ART pre-amp but with USB out for when you want to rip your records to digital files. I own this preamp and am very happy with it. The next tier up from ART preamps would probably be the Schiit lineup, it's very popular on this sub, if/when I wind up with a second TT I'll get a Mani for it.

I think these are in the sidebar somewhere, but there are plenty of good new sub-$300 tables:

• $179 U-Turn Orbit (base model, but it has a lot of upgrades/customization options. I recommend the cue lever for sure which is +$45)
  
• $229 Denon DP-300F
  
  
• $250 TEAC TN-300
  
  
• And of course the $225-250 Audio Technica AT-120LP

If you would like a little better quality, this in conjuctiion with a tt would be a lot better. It also works as a phono preamp, so you can send it to amp down the line

Something Assembled:

turntable

Phono pre with mp3

*Headphones

This is something I out together rather quickly, but it is right around $200 dollars which would leave money for a new cartridge if you'd like. You dont have to get the grado headphones, but many people love them with rock music, and souns spectacular for the money. You could guy speakers, but would need and amp, and you start getting some losses because you you cant spend as much money on quality.

Hey there, I want to get a turntable but I'm not sure if I should get a dedicated pre amp + amp or a receiver.

I'm going with a Pro-ject Debut Carbon and I'm considering the following options for pre amp + amp / receiver:

• Onkyo A9010 receiver
  
• Pro-Ject Phono Box MM Amplifier + Magni 3 amp
  
  pre-amp + amp combo is cheaper, but then I wouldn't be able to plug speakers in the future (which I might buy eventually). Currently I only own a pair of DT 990 pro, so the Magni would serve me well.
  
  Would I get better sound from the Onkyo or the pre-amp + amp?

Another option could be this one new, it has a lot of the same features (no bluetooth, but built in pre-amp): https://www.amazon.com/Crosley-C100A-SI-Turntable-Adjustable-Counterweight/dp/B016OVYIK6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480944646&sr=8-1&keywords=crosley+c100

or this one: https://www.amazon.com/Numark-TTUSB-Turntable-Interface-Output/dp/B000G3FNVM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511224432&sr=8-1&keywords=numark+ttusb+turntable&dpID=41FM-1DKCiL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Now neither one will be amazing, but they're the right type of design and will be better money spent than the LP60 or that Sony.

I've been stalking craigslist for an old Marantz or Pioneer receiver but haven't had any luck yet. I was thinking of getting something new/cheap like the Sherwood RX-4109 but I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Hopefully I can stay strong and hold out for something vintage.

Preamp suggestions please as I'm going insane over getting something crappy... >.>

Here are 2 that I've seen browsing the reddit:

https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-Microphono-Pp400-Ultra-Compact-Preamp/dp/B000H2BC4E/
https://www.amazon.com/rolls-VP29-Phono-Preamp/dp/B0002BG2R2

My powered speaker system has 3.5mm, so I was thinking of using an RCA to 3.5 (http://bit.ly/2rlrIw5 said I don't lose quality). Opinions on that setup?
Player -> Pre-Amp -> RCAto3.5 -> Powered Speakers

And which of the two preamps or other suggestions? Trying to stick under $75-100 and I'm not audiophile, but I definitely want it to be clear/no hum (as I've heard that in some Amazon reviews of preamps)

Also..Thank you for any help at all!! :)

Hi guys - I am wanting to upgrade my setup currently I have a Jensen TT that I am using with some crappy computer speakers and I feel like this may be a good stepup for me. Let me know what you think

[Audio Technica AT-LP60BK] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008872SIO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=FDMXEIMN2NL3&coliid=I1JWBANUF2JV7D&psc=1) - $79

Edifier R1700BT Speakers - $150

Total - $230

If you think I can get something cheaper, or better for that same price i'm open for suggestions. :)

Thanks!

An Audio Technica LP60 [Amazon] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002GYTPAE/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1425863326&sr=8-1&keywords=audio+technica+lp+60&dpPl=1&dpID=31KUTjIU4aL&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SX200_QL40) and these Daytons [Amazon] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002RMPHMU/ref=aw_wl_ov_dp_2_3?colid=1KAMXJ75BA9UZ&coliid=I2RI86IDF6TJO7) would be a good place to start.

And here's a super inexpensive amp with good reviews to get started - Amazon

Edit: format.
Edit 2: forgot an amp.

I havent played anything I know to play well yet, I will try that in a day or two, Before that I intend to recallibrate it to match the desired tracking force.
I cringe when using my shure stylus gauge cause I fear the arm waving around or rubbing against metal might do it harm.

"It's fairly easy to check the tracking force on a Debut Carbon" Do you mean visually by looking at the notches on the counterweight?

But yep, i'll try to recalibrate, play something else and report back :)
Thanks for writing!

Not normal at all. It should be set and forget.

I'd strongly recommend getting a stylus force gauge. Takes the guesswork out of setting the stylus pressure (once you convert to grams) and will save you oodles of time while you're troubleshooting this thing. I suspect it's a problem with the cue lever, but not enough info to say for sure. In any case, you shouldn't go outside of the recommended VTF range to force it to work. That's asking for trouble.

And thanks for keeping Disneyland safe, from a fellow OC resident.

Accurately measuring tracking force, even with a specialized scale, is tough. If you use a standard jeweler's scale, chances are your measurement is off. The height of the scale surface is way higher than the height of the record. This results in the actual tracking force at the record surface being off by a fair amount. The only way to guarantee an accurate reading is to adjust VTA so the tonearm is level when the stylus is on the scale. This is not only a royal PITA, but unrealistic for most tables/setups. I recommend using the tried and true Shure beam-style scale. It ends up being more accurate than most digital scales, even if you don't adjust for VTA.

Hey everyone, beginner here. I'm looking for some entry level equipment and was wondering what you guys think of this:

I saw in the recommended turntable list the Crosley C100A and the Crosley C200A and i'm thinking of pairing one of them with the Edifier R1280DB powered bookshelf speakers and i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with these?

I have a small space and i like the optical input so i can also use them with my TV, they seem to have great reviews, i'm just wondering what you guys think for someone looking for an all-in-one solution on a budget (budget hasn't been determined yet but i'm thinking less than $500)

Thanks everyone!

Hi, I need some advice with hooking up speakers to my turntable.

I'm very new to all of this and I've only brought my turntable so far. This is because I'm not entirely sure whether I need to buy a preamp and an integrated amplifier, or just one of these. I think I need the integrated amplifier regardless, and the preamp will make it sound even better but is optional. Am I correct with this or not at all?

Anyway, the turntable I have is a Denon-DP300F and I'm looking to buy a pair of Misson LX-2 speakers. I was also looking to buy a
Denon PMA520AE Integrated Amplifier with a Pro-Ject Phono Box MM Amplifier - where I would connect the two red and white cables from my turntable into the Pro-Ject Phono Box preamp, then connect that to the integrated amplifier, and then connect it to the speakers. Excuse my most likely horrible wording/terms.

Is this the correct way to go about this? Is the preamp I'm looking at buying optional or compulsory? Do I just need the integrated amplifier and not the phono box preamp?

I really, really appreciate any feedback on this because I've been reading this sub and researching everywhere and I can't find a definite answer that makes me confident about making these purchases. Thank you!

Probably. The line out from the TT is really low. It needs to be boosted before it goes into an amp. You can try running it without the preamp, but my guess is it will sound like ass and you will have to crank the hell out of it. Fortunately decent preamps are not bank breaking.

This is a good little guy:

http://www.amazon.com/Rolls-VP29-Phono-preamplifier/dp/B0002BG2R2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410473513&sr=8-1&keywords=rolls+preamp

So if you have that budget of 400 bones, its really what your goal is. 1200 - heavy, hearty, bulletproof, easy to change speeds. Pro Ject - a lot less bells and whistles, elegant, great cartridge.

Hi all! I have done some research here on this sub and elsewhere, but have hopefully made a decision on a setup to get started.
Fluance RT81, ELAC B6 Debut Series 6.5", and SMSL Audio SA-36A PRO HiFi Digital Amplifier
Is this a good setup to get started? Thanks