Reddit mentions of BIC Cristal For Her Ball Pen, 1.0mm, Black, 16ct (MSLP16-Blk)

They will fit in a purse right next to the Bic for her pens.

Here are the Amazon comments - sort by "top" and enjoy the hilarity.

Yup. They're a real thing. You should check out the Amazon reviews for them. They're hilarious.

Relevant

There just needs to be Bic for Her pens at the polls so women know how to think/write correctly. The reviews here say it all.

She may have been confusing them with these

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004F9QBE6?pc_redir=1409384839&robot_redir=1

It's one of those stupid everyday sexisms that are annoying and unnecessary. A pen is a pen. Making it pink or easy write or whatever is just stupid marketing noise that no one really needs. And it serves to reinforce tired sexist tropes that really just need to go somewhere and die. Exhibit A: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B004F9QBE6?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Offhand, the Amazon reviews for those are amazing though.

Edit: Make sure to look at all the five-star reviews. Seriously. I was in stitches the first time I read those.

Don't forget! She'll need an extra-special pen to write that letter.

Making a sexist joke (variations on "Go make me a sandwich") and then ducking behind a shield of "I meant it ironically!" is not acceptable. It's just tired and cliched.

Ironic sexism like in the reviews for Bic's pen for women are friggin' hilarious.

Note that some of those hilarious, ironic reviews are apparently written by men. I would say that male allies can be ironic about sexism. It has to be clear from the context of the joke that they are really mocking the sexism.

Another example is MST3K or Riff Tracks, which riff a lot of old movies that have huge amounts of sexism. The male actors make a lot of ironic sexist jokes. But it is clear from the context that they are really attacking the underlying sexist attitudes depicted in the movies.

So men don't get a free pass by saying "I'm being ironic!" after saying something sexist. If they have to make that disclaimer then it was not clear from the context that their target was sexism itself.

PLEASE READ THE CUSTOMER REVIEWS. These are solid gold.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6

I'm just saying there's no need for womens pens. Example

I dunno if they're real reviews though. I don't know where all the people come from, but there's some sort of Amazon Funny Reviews Brigade that posts a lot of comments on a lot of obscure and absurd items (for example the banana slicer, "For Her" pens, and Tuscan Whole Milk)

The point that stuck out to me was when she said no one really asks how a character like nathan drake represents men where as all female characters are asked about their representation of women.
I've never really thought about either gender irl representation, just like I've never thought about irl representation of comic book characters, or characters from novels or movies. I watch/read/play to escape reality where I can put myself into the protagonist and save the world or even just matter in a significant way in that world for a bit everyday, when in reality I'm so insignificant to not matter except as a demographic to a marketer.
To be honest I think marketing pink pens for girls much more insulting then anything I've seen in video games. I'm a woman and pink everything or flower everything bugs me more then tit physics in video games.
All that being said I really like the interview format. Keep up the good work TB.

What resounding rebuttal. I have completely changed my opinion of this text, as your stunning handwriting analysis showcases that it is clearly a useless waste of paper.

Well, either that or that he's using a lady pen.

My favorite one is from the amazon website itself, by an "MRA" named "Johnny Tubesteak". It made me lol pretty hard:

1.0 out of 5 stars Being a dude just got suckier, August 28, 2012

By JohnnyTubesteak - See all my reviews

This review is from: BIC Cristal For Her Ball Pen, 1.0mm, Black, 16ct (MSLP16-Blk) (Office Product)

What do men have left? Today's women are voting, getting paid to do work, and now WRITING?!? At the bar the other day, my wife asked for a beer instead a wine cooler. My buddy heard that there are female golfers in many parts of the country, and most clubs let them play on the same course as the men. At an intersection the other day, I saw a woman in the driver's seat, and not because she was sitting on a male driver's lap. As if men hadn't been stripped of everything good already, BIC steps in and piles on by encouraging women to learn to write, just like their male counterparts. WTF, BIC?

Guys have so little as it is. Sure, we can stand while we urinate, but standing is a lot of work, and it's rarely as fun as it sounds. And Just For Men hair dye is marketed as a product strictly for guys, but my cousin used it on a female dog once, and it colored her hair just fine.

In a world of girl-only bras and tampons, guys are left with nothing of our own. Thanks for nothing, BIC.

>This is interesting.

Yes!! This is one of my favorite subjects. Jodi Pfarr has an excellent video explaining how dominant and minority groups interact. I wish I could show it to you but it's kept under lock and key by a third party publisher. I'll try to sum it up as best I can. I'm going to go into some issues that are pretty hot right now. Know that I use these just as examples and I don't want to open a debate about their specifics.

The dominant group and minority groups have equally valid narratives built through their perspectives. Those perspectives are world views built through socialization. For example, I'm perceived as white and therefore experience white privilege in the ways articulated in that Invisible Backpack article I linked in my previous comment. That doesn't mean my experience is less valid, it just means I've been treated differently just because of my skin color in a way that's very different than the experiences of people of color.

Growing up, I saw the police as upholders of justice in the neighborhood. All my interactions with the police were positive except for that one speeding ticket, and heck, I totally deserved it.

However, people of color, particularly certain races, often have a very different experience with the police. Any African American person likely has a story of a time when they or a person they know was unjustly harassed by the police for no reason other than the color of their skin. Many have a very different experiences and conclusions on whether or not the police are trustworthy. Take a look at this graph about perceptions of the investigation of Brown's death in Ferguson:

http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/08/8-18-2014_03.png Source article here

Look at that racial division. Majority white people trust the investigation. Majority black people don't. They see the prevalent racism in the police force we're never exposed to. They understand what it's like to be singled out for their race by the police and their humanity disregarded in a way that people who are white will never understand from a first person perspective. We can hear/read about it, but we'll never truly experience it, so we'll never have that same world view.

Again, these worldviews are all equally valid, but our own isn't a good make up of the big picture. Author John Steinbeck traveled to a city with another author friend of his and both wrote about their experiences. When the trip was over they compared essays and Steinbeck remarked that if he didn't know better he'd swear they visited a completely different place. Both were correct, but only a partial view.

When you talk about minorities and dominant groups, things get even harrier. By definition, the dominant group gets all sorts of invisible backpack bonuses. One of those bonuses is being seen as "normal". The dominant group is the "norm" and the minority group is the "other". There's toys for kids and toys for girls, there's vitamins and women's vitamins, there's bic pens and bic pens for her, etc.

The dominant perspective/worldview is also what's presented as normal. This is a very complex issue that spans many social science fields from sociology where studies examine dominant view impacts on statistical trends of a group, sometimes as large as a country population (for example in one study students were primed by being reminded that they are female did more poorly than the control group of female students who were not primed), to psychology where the dominant view impacts are studied in an individual who may internalize the dominant view or come to reject it.

So when it comes to social movements you're looking at a social minority group, who has realized there's a social problem they want to change. They recognize it because it's intrinsic to their experiences as a minority group, yet the dominant group doesn't have that perspective. What often happens is the dominant group becomes reactionary to minority group voices. "I've never seen that before!" when said in a normal voice by a single individual becomes a massive wave that smashes into the minority group. It's the dominant group's responsibility to listen, not speak to the minority group and take in what they say as an equally valid conclusion that stems from vastly different experiences that they will never personally experience. In order to understand someone else you have to temporarily suspend your own world view and listen. This is the core of a lot of Pfarr's work.

At this point you might ask, "well shouldn't the minority listen to the dominant group's views too? That's what a discussion is all about, right?" The answer is that they've already heard the dominant narrative over and over on a daily basis, either as a constant hum in the background or being screamed from many mouths in the foreground. Due to the nature of being a dominant group, their voice is always so loud no matter how softly each individual tries to speak. In contrast, the minority group's voice is so small even if individuals are screaming at the top of their lungs. So it's the dominant group's responsibility to suspend their worldviews and take the time to listen without comment.

An example of this comes from a book a federal government employee wrote about his time working with a local Native American tribe. He came in with the expectation that they would get moving on the project of mutual land management as soon as he arrived. To his surprise no one from the tribe was remotely interested in working with him or even talking to him. And whenever he did get someone talking they gave him an angry rant about all the ways they've been manipulated and exploited by white people and the US government. Our author was initially hurt, understandably, and would try to explain that he wasn't responsible for their suffering. To his further surprise their reaction was complete rejection. He found a few tribe members who would talk to him more openly and tried to explain that before moving forward, past grievances had to be addressed. The local tribe had been hurt too many times by white people and the encroaching government to trust the next white guy who shows up with a big smile and nice sounding promises. Before moving anywhere forward, they needed to know he was going to listen to them, know their perspective and history of exploitation and suffering (which so many others never cared to learn), and know that he would keep every promise no matter how seemingly insignificant. Once our author began listening, instead of giving his own views, and building up trust a little at a time he started getting somewhere. It took him years to build the relationships he needed to perform his job effectively and writes about how frustrating it was, especially at first when he was enduring many people's painful memories and anger directed at him. Through it all he writes that it was an invaluable experience and he learned to appreciate the opportunities of honesty and openness that were shared with him. He gained a much better understanding of the people he was hired to work with and through that relationship was able to act as a respected intermediary between them and the government. His experiences show how important it is for someone of the dominant group to listen to the minority group, hear what they have to say, and take it as a valid and true perspective equal to their own. This is key for social progress. Some background info, his five predecessors didn't last a year and very likely all his initial discussion points were bad echos of the last five failed attempts.

TL;DR Here's where I answer your question building on stuff I said previously. Sorry I wrote a book but I wanted to build up some key points first.

>So, if I'm understanding correctly, despite the dominant group's larger numbers, the unacknowledged privileges which they hold hurt their credibility and therefore their opinions are, objectively, not as extreme as they appear? Hopefully this analogy isn't too ridiculous, but are you basically saying that if I have an apple and an orange, I could say that the apple isn't as apple-y as the orange is orange-y because the apple grew in different conditions? Is that another oversimplification? I'm aware I do that from time to time.

So to specifically answer your question, both dominant and minority groups are equally credible, but as the dominant view is the norm, only the minority view hasn't been heard. The minority group is also in the disadvantaged position so they should be the ones to determine the problem and solution. To use your example (which is an oversimplification but that's okay, we'll roll with it) apples are equally apply as oranges are orangey but both live in a society where apples are everywhere! Oh not when it comes to population numbers, then they're about 50/50, but you see apples posted all over billboards and filling the grocery store aisles. There's just a little corner here and there for oranges and when ever they pop up, some apples always ask why that space wasn't used for more apples. Government is comprised of 75% apples and being an apple gives you a bonus at work. And when oranges try to talk about getting more orangey things, many of the apples tell them things are just fine they way they are. See, those apples have no idea what it's like to be an orange stuck in a world made for apples. In order for the oranges have the same opportunities at life as the apples, the apples need to listen to the oranges frustrations and sufferings and then make what changes they can to include more orange voices.

That was a silly extended metaphor (it might just float around as some copy pasta) but I hope it helps.

So saucy TW: Amazon

For more lols read the Amazon reviews for the Bic For Her Ball Pen.

https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/product-reviews/B004F9QBE6

Well I obviously can't use pens unless they are made specifically to work with ovaries.

Bic Pens for HER (they're normal pens)

"BIC Cristal For Her has an elegant design - just for Her! It features a thin barrel designed to fit a women's hand. It has a diamond engraved barrel for an elegant and unique feminine style. "

Read the reviews, they are hysterical.

https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Damn, I was hoping for Bic pen reviews!

The BIC Cristal For Her Ball Pen


^just ^kidding, ^I'll ^use ^any ^old ^pen, ^but ^I ^love ^those ^reviews.

Yeah. Of course women are people. But do they have the same status as adult men or the same status as children? As of 2012 living in America I can complete a higher education, vote, drive my own car, work, choose who I want to marry, inherit from my father as equally as my brother, etc, but I can't possibly understand what I'm doing when I decide to terminate a pregnancy so I'm going to undergo unnecessary and uncomfortable (to say the least) medical procedures and receive a nice lecture from my doctor, just to make sure I really, really get it, as if I hadn't thought it through. Oh, and BIC has decided that I need my own set of pens for writing because my feeble feminine hands can't handle the regular ones that I've been using my entire life. Go ahead and make slimmer pens that are easier for people with smaller hands to grip (you know, like children), but don't say it's designed for teh womenz because holy shit, I think I was doing just fine before you decided I wasn't. This comment may be too simplified or rushed so I apologize but I think it gets my point across.

[Must read reviews] (http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6)

I went and googled bic for her pens...brilliant! :D

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B004F9QBE6?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

I found the pen: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

While most of the top reviews are jokes, there are also hundreds of people who seem to be legitimately angry and think it's sexist to market pens specifically towards women. Not saying they're rational, but these are people who get mad at anything that slightly tries to market to one gender no matter which gender it's supposed to be for

Full site link for anyone that prefers: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6

I'm torn on this one.

On one side, it reminds me of the Bic for her. As a girl who's eyeing their 134, I find it kind of insulting that they would think women need more pink and glitter.

Then again, I guess some women aren't looking for VV/VW or battery life, and like shiny things, so... if it turns more smokers into vapers, it can't be a bad thing. Right?

Oh god, have you seen the reviews for these on Amazon? I nearly cried laughing (link)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9QBE6 Ignore the product, just go straight to the q&a and product reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6

Bic does have a For Her pen. And now I'm going to search this subreddit for it.

I can't recommend the Amazon reviews for these pens enough.

You need these!

I think there's never going to be a case where any device can suit all people, and I don't think the size of smart watches (at least the Pebble, which is the only one I've seen in person) would deter women who really wanted them?

There are a handful of things for which making different ones for "women" (people with wider hips and different fat and muscle distributions) and "men" make sense. Backpacking packs are the only one I can think of off the top of my head - they have slightly different positioning of the straps and frame structure that distribute weight differently. I often buy men's outdoor gear, but I've tried on men's packs and they just don't fit right.

If someone thinks there's a demand for a smaller smartwatch to market at women, it'll get made eventually. Hopefully it won't also be pink/purple or come with bullshit tailored apps.

I think sexism in smart watches is the same as sexism in the general tech industry - shiny high tech gadgets are for "fanboys" and the archetypal Silicon-valley tech guy - stereotypes that often alienate women from their products. Tech culture has a sexism problem, but the size of the watches isn't it. The fact that there are only maybe 4 other women the computer science class I'm taking now is.

I mean, I guess since most of us are smaller physically than men, we might actually benefit from smaller earplugs??

But this reminds me a bit of the “Bic for her” phenomenon on amazon (https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/product-reviews/B004F9QBE6).

We don’t always need a separate product. And I bet they cost more, too.

Nope. But you can have these special lady pens instead.

> their tunnel vision and exclusivity

Speaking of tunnel vision, here is a perfect example of how women react to the notion that what they really need is more pink sparkly shit.

If you want to look at it another way, ask yourself why pink cars aren't all the rage among women drivers. It's not because manufacturers can't or won't make them.

Bwah ha ha ha ha, it actually mentions the Bic pens. If you haven't clicked that and read the reviews, you're in for a fucking great time. Dragging extrordinare.

But seriously:
>Women, Nooyi suggested, “don’t like to crunch too loudly in public. And they don’t lick their fingers generously and they don’t like to pour the little broken pieces and the flavor into their mouth.”

Speak for yourself, bitch. she says as she licks her fingers and belches for good measure

I love the reviews for the bic "for her" pen. They are all hilarious. The first one is great, but read the others if you have time, you will not stop laughing. DIRTY THIRTY!

The reviews for the pens on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6#cm_cr_dpwidget

For real. I have an ex that commented on a FB post I put up of a really entertaining listicle of the "masculinity so fragile" variety. And he got all butthurt like "isn't this just generalizing about men? wouldn't this be offensive if it was about women?" And I'm like no, dude, it's about toxic masculinity. Men should find it funny too. Just like, as a woman, I find it funny when people mock pens for women. Not everything is about you.

These pens are hilarious first of all for the stupidest concept in the world, second of all for the reviews by many clever writers!

Flintstones

Bic Pen for her

Read the deliciously sarcastic reviews for bonus lulz.

On Roominate, Barbara's objections to the product were ludicrous and really makes me question her business advice. Barbara objected because the product doesn't say "for girls" on it (in spite of using pink in the logo and having a photo of a smiling girl on the front). The presenters objected saying "girls don't want to be pandered to", but then were talked over by Barbara saying "you really need to hammer home the point" then went out.

Except she's wrong. Marketing is full of products that have been marketed "for girls" in a pandering way. This of this product (with funny reviews on Amazon btw). Barbara's thoughts would have hurt the business, not helped it.

Better she's out.

Dear lord, that's almost tops the reviews on this product XD

Have you tried these? http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6

This is the original listing with the thousands of funny reviews. The product is "out of stock" now so it won't appear when you search amazon directly.

https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6/ref=pd_sbs_op_4

They are! Just see the reviews!

Yeah, it's a pretty famous product. You should see the Amazon reviews.

The Amazon reviews for these lady pens are hilarious!

reminded me of the Bic Pens for Her reviews

BIC Cristal Pens, for her. Dur.

Oh god. Okay. I feel like I've been preparing for this post my whole life (or at least since I found these awesome things on amazon):

• Tuscan Whole Milk
  
• Fresh Whole Rabbit
  
• Uranium Ore in a Can
  
• The 2009-2014 Outlook for Wood Toilet Seats in Greater China -- Amazing read! Riveting!
  
• A Million Random Digits -- the textbook no student should be without!!!
  
• UFO Detector -- It's so amazing, you'll want to anally probe yourself!
  
• Everybody Masturbates -- Best reference manual and an amazing children's book!
  
• BIC Pens for Her -- Not to be used by men or your penis and testicles will immediately invert themselves and transform themselves into a vagina and ovaries!!!
  
• Moon People -- The greatest book of our time. Quite possibly. Follow the adventures of Dale Courtney - I mean, David Braymer - and his lady friend Cheral and his escapades as 1st Science Officer on the Lunar Base 1 Mobile Base Station
  
  Make sure you read the comments on these amazing, once in a lifetime products!!!
  
  edit: Aww shoot, I just saw you meant for realz. I got nothing, sorry. But still, you'll have a good laugh!

I would take my happy ass to the house.
Sit down at my desk, take out my stationery, my lovely pen and write that angry letter!

GIVE EM THE WHAT FOR!

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6

Women have a pen made specifically for them...I mean seriously, why are we complaining?

I don't doubt that she got that it was a gag gift.

Perhaps it would've been more amusing had he gotten something like this: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/product-reviews/B004F9QBE6/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/181-8028149-3024744?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

What's next, pens for women???!!

...oh yeah https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004F9QBE6/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8 (click for the pens, stay for the reviews)

BIC Cristal for Her Pens <- Question section is pure gold.

Bic will forever be the company that made a "for Her" line of pens: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004F9QBE6/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

I like the one for Bic pens for her:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B004F9QBE6/ref=mw_dp_cr

Funny Amazon Reviews

Also, if you’re a girl, make sure you use only pens designed for you. .

Reminds me of BIC pens "for her". Read the reviews for lols.

Here's the link to the original Amazon page for the pens...

The artist says they are Bic Cristal Lots of colors available.

To be fair, BIC did make women's pens. It didn't go well.

For those that missed it, (only recently discovered this myself, but had a great laugh from it). http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417968102&sr=8-1&keywords=bic+for+her#customerReviews

The Amazon reviews for these are hilarious too...

I think it would be much more like a regular bioshock game.

I don't think women were behind this product, read the reviews

People who game want good challenges, hopefully good story, great art, impressive physics

I think the questions and answers, plus the reviews, for this pen will be very helpful to you in sorting this out.

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https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6?tag=thehuffingtop-20

At least you can get nice pens.

Maybe they're using this pen for sketching

Read one of the 1,600 customer reviews. Enjoy

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Cristal-1-0mm-Black-MSLP16-Blk/dp/B004F9QBE6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1370119512&sr=8-2&keywords=bic+for+her

This is one of my favourite WTF - I mean who needs 55 gallons!

Also I love the shear ridiculousness of this steering wheel table

And one of the other stupid thing is pens specifically for her read the comments for all of these - they are funny!

As far a gift - surprise me if I win :)

Don't forget the well-reviewed pens made just for her.

Oh it's not that they're pink. It's that they're advertised as being pink for women and that it will make you pretty while you sleep.

They're ear plugs. It's like the damn Bic pens for women.

This suggests that life experience is largely gendered, which I would disagree with and hope that we are continuously moving away from this style of gender policing.

>But you'll definitely see things along the line of "poems that make ladies into rad bitches".

I hope not. We already have pens and "strong female characters," what else do we need?