Reddit mentions of How China Became Capitalist

I generally don't like listening YouTubers no matter what is their view but I hate this Libertarian Socialist Rants guy.

He says "Cuba isn't socialist, Venezula isn't socialist, USSR isn't socialist because in these countries workers do not control the means of production." Now, maybe I am a little behind the socialist literature but as far as I remember Marx, Engels and other communists saw "proletariat dictatorship" as a transitionary stage towards communism. Communist Party represents workers. CP's this position means workers control means of production via Communist Party. Gramsci thought Communist Party and Intellectuals must lead peasants and workers since they don't have enough knowledge. (The Prison Notebooks, Ch. "The Modern Prince) All the new leftist intellectuals once were in communist parties in their countries, Foucault was a member of the Communist Party, Louis Althusser was also a member. Badiou is Maoist. I don't care what this guy thinks, leftist intellectuals were & are sympathetic to USSR, they thought state was a part of this transition. These countries were and are socialists. Just because it doesn't fit his anarchist narrative he dismisses the historical facts. But he supports Anarcho-syndicalists of Spanish Civil War as if they were more merciful or successful than socialist states. But they were not.


I'm not surprised that he doesn't know what income mobility is. He literally says "Poor remains poor while rich remains rich." which is totally wrong. People run up and down between top and bottom income groups all the time.

Yes, almost all economists say international trade helps the very poor. And yes, China's prosperity increased because of market reforms. No one is saying that China is the libertarian utopia, but only after introducing the free market reforms China's economy started to develop. Free market reforms led better economic conditions, not Great Leap Forward. This is what we basically say. Freer the market, better the result. China is just one of the many examples.

"If libertarians really hated the poor we would wish socialism on them." Thomas Woods

Book.

But it did. You can just deny what happend because it does not fit with your marxist dogma. China was socialist (or if you want to deny that at least exept that it was defntily not feudalist) and capitalism developed there relativly organiclly.

> http://www.amazon.com/China-Became-Capitalist-Ronald-Coase/dp/1137351438