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Reddit mentions of No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life

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Found 5 comments on No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life:

u/hga_another · 55 pointsr/KotakuInAction

Wow, but this guy is ignorant, which I guess has become mandatory for the mainstream libertarianism that Reason represents.

> I'd imagine that some of the most conservative students come from socioeconomically disadvantaged, rural backgrounds. And point three is also true, though some conservatives evidently feel that their professors will retaliate against them if they speak up (though they could be wrong about this—feelings are not facts).

By and large, if reports about what this book says about competitive admissions are true, at places like Cornell they've found ways to all but eliminate admitting strong non-legacy conservative students. And those "feelings" he denigrates are very much "factual" given that there have been for years, decades really, too many well publicized horror stories about conservative students speaking out in class and getting anything from failing grades to actions trying to and as I recall at least a few times getting them expelled. Plus starting in the Obama era it's become trivial for a female peer to arrange expulsion in far too many colleges.

He also claims to be ignorant in words I've not quoted of all the fields that in the US have become almost or entirely closed to conservatives, like science and math; today I wouldn't even try to become a scientist, and the signs were clear when I started that process in higher education back in 1979.

u/sah_mei · 22 pointsr/TumblrInAction

You really do.

>In his book, No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal; Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life, Espenshade notes that the biggest testing advantage belongs to African-American students. Black students who were accepted into these elite schools could have SAT scores on a 1600 scale that were 310 points lower than a white, middle-class applicant. Hispanic applicants enjoyed a 130 point advantage.
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>Low-income students, regardless of race, also enjoyed a 130-point advantage and working-class applicants got a 70-point advantage. Upper-middle class students enjoyed a 50-point advantage.
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>The applicants who were hurt the most by the affirmative-action admission policies were Asian students, who had to earn 140 points more than the typical middle-class, white applicant to gain admission.

No one even denies this nonsense; The Atlantic even argues that affirmative action hasn't gone far enough and only concedes that it's sometimes discriminatory in terms of the negative effect on Asian students.

u/whosdamike · 3 pointsr/personalfinance

Koggit is being downvoted, but his statement is backed up by research. There was an article in the Boston Globe not too long ago about this and an entire book about admission practices called No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal.

There's a great deal of evidence that suggests if the admission system were entirely merit-based, Asian Americans would be present in even greater proportion in the country's ivy league schools. And there's strong evidence that schools are selecting against this outcome.

u/ps94 · 3 pointsr/worldnews

Let me give you some free advice.

Know who has it harder than white males when it comes to fighting quotas and taking a hit on admissions or employment because of their race? It’s Asian males. They get all the shit of being a minority, but none of the benefits.

The government considers them a minority (which they are), but not an under-represented minority, so they don’t get into the quotas. Asian females don’t get the race quota either, but they get the gender quota, so they are better off.

Lots of people have done studies and found this to be the case. For example, these folks did a study and published a book about it. Here’s a chart from their book. Compared to white males as the baseline, blacks get an equivalent of 130 free SAT points when it comes to admission to elite schools. That is, a white student would need 130 more SAT points than the black student to have the same chance of admission. But guess where Asians place? They suffer a penalty of 140 points relative to whites, and 270 points relative to blacks. To have the same chance for admission as a white student, an Asian needs to have a SAT score 140 points higher than whites. Talk about race-based discrimination, these guys get the short end of the stick.

This is why when someone says “OMG! Everyone is sexist and racist to white males!” but forgets to mention Asian males, it comes across as racist/sexist whining. If you were really concerned about fairness, why the fuck would you omit the class that has it even worse than you? They never even had “white privilege” in the country, so what past sins of their forefathers are they paying for?

I don’t mean to offend, I am offering some genuine, well-intentioned advice. When you say something like “poor persecuted white males, we’re the new lowest rung on the discrimination ladder”, people realize that this isn’t true, so you’re not seen as championing fairness or equality, you’re seen as fighting for the white male privilege you once enjoyed and lost. You come across as a racist and sexist.

I don’t ask you to take the “white” out of the picture. By all means say “white”, but if you were to modify your statement to “Asian and white males face the heaviest discrimination from society these days”, not only would you be more truthful, people would also have a harder time calling you racist. Because hey, you’re not just fighting for your own sex and race, you’re fighting against the system of treating people unfairly.

I highly recommend this even if you are a racist/sexist fuckwad who hates everyone else. It’s just good politics. It makes your case stronger.

u/mnemosyne-0002 · 1 pointr/KotakuInAction

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