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u/SenseiMike3210 ยท 3 pointsr/CapitalismVSocialism

> History demonstrates this is always the case, and in large part because human beings tend to naturally form social hierarchies.

This is so fucking false it's hard to put it into words. There are many societies I can point to that currently exist that fly in the face of your argument (not to mention societies in the past).

>but that ownership as a worker means that the state tells the worker where to work, what to do for a living and how much goods and services they're allowed to have. It's so obviously contradictory.

>the power vacuum created by this absence leads to an eventual opportunistic leader taking advantage of it and creating a governmental power.

More blatant falsehoods. Let's look at the facts for a moment shall we? There are no governmental organizations or "opportunistic leaders" in, for example, the societies of the Pemon People who live in Southeastern Venezuela. If you read the serious anthropological scholarship on the subject you'll see everything you said totally contradicted. In David John Thomas's work on the Pemon People Order Without Government: The Society of the Pemon Indians of Venezuela he shows that their society is egalitarian (in that all members of society have equal access to the benefits of society), anarchic (in that it is totally lacking government with political functions being diffuse through society), and amorphous. Thomas describes fundamental contradictions within Pemon Society which prevent power from becoming focused in one individual or group. There are no leaders in their society in the sense that nobody maintains a defined followership and that there is no such thing as the power of an office.

There are many more examples of this. The San People are also egalitarian who make decisions collectively through consensus and have a gift economy.

You could also take a look at the work of anarchist anthropologist David Graeber who did work on the tribal societies of Madagascar particularly the Tsimihety People who exist completely independently of the state of Madagascar and live extremely egalitarian lives while rejecting all government authority.

>the premise of communism is state-sanctioned equality, but this equality doesn't exist naturally.

You don't know what communism is and you don't know what you're talking about.