Reddit mentions of Panache Women's Andorra Full Cup Bra

Have you thought about trying different styles of bras? I have a little mini wardrobe of bras to wear with different things based on how in-your-face I want my boobs to be. In particular I think unlined bras (I like [Panache Andorra](http://www.amazon.com/Panache-Womens-Andorra-Balconette-Bra/dp/B003P9WFVU but ABTF can give you lots of shape-specific recommendations) give me a nice shape which is uplifted and contained but still soft so I don't feel like I've got two coconuts on my chest.

It sounds like she might be something like a 34J or 36HH? If so, you should be able to help her to find something fairly easily. If she doesn't want them 'up here' in her face, look for something full coverage so she doesn't feel like they are all on show as she might with a plunge or balconnet.
When you've measured, how about trying the Panache Andorra - the lace is pretty stretchy so I think it works for a number of shapes, and comes up to a J cup. You could order it from Amazon or Nordstrom and get free returns - it's cheaper elsewhere but the free returns is wonderful when you are trying sizes.
http://www.amazon.com/Panache-Womens-Andorra-Full-Cup/dp/B003P9WFVU

The difference in size is probably not due to using inches instead of centimeters. It is probably because you pulled the tape more tightly on one occasion than the other, leading to smaller measurements and of course therefore a smaller predicted size.

Your measurements point more to 34G US (or 34F in UK sizing) than 34DDD, to me, especially since you say you're projected. The bras you bought were small in the cups for you, thus your breast tissue had to go somewhere and some of it went in the band which makes the band feel too tight. Meanwhile, your breasts are seeking more room in the cups, so they can push the cup away from your body, giving the appearance of gaping.

Since you say you appear projected, I have to say minimizers won't give you the best fit because they don't suit a projected shape--they're shallow and wide, and so the pull tissue a little closer to the chest and give a slightly minimized appearance. But this works best for fit if the wearer's shape is also shallow and wide, which does not sound like you.

Because you're leery of the 34 band, what I'll recommend you try is the Panache Andorra bra in 36E UK. This is a sister size up to the UK size of 34F (that would be equivalent to US 34G). The cups of 36E hold the same volume of breast tissue as 34F on a larger band, but the thing about the Andorra is that it runs snug in the band, so it's kind of a compromise between a 34 band and a TTS 36 band. Hopefully this explanation makes sense to you, but if you're confused by anything feel free to ask questions.

I'm also in NEPA and a 30FF !! Ok, sorry, I get excited when I see other fellow NEPA'ers here. Anyway! There are absolutely no specialty stores here and it makes me sad =/. My method so far (I have amazon prime) is ordering a bunch online in different brands and styles, then shipping back what doesn't work. It seems like a huge pain to most people, but I don't think it was that bad. Plus with amazon, you can schedule the UPS people to pick up returns at your house. Nordstrom.com also has free shipping, I just found that amazon is cheaper.

Another option is making a trip to NYC or Philly for a day, finding a specialty store and trying a bunch on then either buying there or ordering online when you get home. I'm sort of an even shape with avg. projection and my favorite so far is my panache andorra.

With the Panache brand bras (including Cleo and Sculptresse) that I've tried so far, I've needed to go up a cup size, so you might want to try a 38F in the Cleo Minnie. How did you find the band on the Minnie, out of interest?

You could perhaps try the Panache Andorra or Andorra Plunge. There's also the Panache Jasmine and Scupltresse Chi Chi/Flirtini/Paradise. I get a little wrinkling at the top of the Scupltresse bras but it doesn't show under bras.

Nordstrom Rack can be quite hit or miss for sizes out of the matrix (aka the sizes that are most easily/readily found at most if not all stores).

UK brands are what you want to look at - not only are the sizes you're measuring at not available in any US brand, but boring/plain styles and neutral colors are actually quite rare in UK brands.

As for cleavage, most people only get buttcrack cleavage in poorly fitting bras. The cleavage you see Victoria's Secret models have is a combination of their natural breast shape and the fact that they are all wearing bras that are too small.

For projected with even fullness, I'd recommend checking out any of these: Cleo Hettie, Panache Andorra, and Fantasie Rebecca

u/xuenylom u/noys Do you have any recs for spacer or molded cup bras that are good for even fullness that come in 32G and 32GG?

If you are in the USA, your best bet of trying on some bras in 38HH in a store is Nordstrom. Call your nearest Nordstrom store and have them order in a few bras in 38HH.

I would also phone any lingerie boutiques within 4 hours of you and see whether they have this size in stock. (Chances are high they have one bra, the Elomi Caitlyn in beige or the Goddess Keira in fawn. Or they have one sole bra in 42F and tell you to come in anyway, in the hope of making a sale. Been there, have fallen for that crap.)

I've been through all of this and in the end I just gave up. I order all my bras online. I don't have to drive several hours to a boutique with a shitty selection and pay full price for an ugly bra. Instead I look up the newest collections from Elomi, Goddess and Panache, make a list of what I like and then try to find a good price for those bras. I try the bras in the comfort of my own home without a sales assistant breathing down my neck and telling me how great it looks and I can think a few days whether I really want to keep the bra.

I can also try the new bra with all my shirts and see which shirts it works with. Does the lace show through? Is the beige pale enough to work for my pasty-white skin and not show through my work uniform white button-downs? Is the gore low enough to wear with that new gorgeous teal and silver shirt with the low plunging neckline?

The way I see it, you are not really buying the bra online, instead you are paying a deposit to the online shop so that you can try the bra in the comfort of your own home, maybe even giving it a test drive of around 30 min while you do some light chores around the house, simulating everyday wear.

You only really bought it when you decide to keep it, rip the tags off, give it a rinse to wash the starch out and then put it on for a 10+ hour day.

So maybe consider taking advantage of the amazon sales and order a few 38HH bras through amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003P9WFVU/

https://www.amazon.com/Elomi-Nina-Bra-38HH-Sand/dp/B018Y74DPI/

Since you wanted wire-free:

https://www.amazon.com/Royce-Womens-Sadie-Wire-Free-Comfort/dp/B00INRYP12/

https://www.amazon.com/Royce-Charlotte-Wire-Free-Cotton-Lined-Comfort/dp/B004EKMOCY/

The Elomi Smoothing that you got in 44FF is also available in 38H and might fit you in that size too because it runs large in the cup. It is sadly currently sold out on amazon, the only sizes that are available are 38GG and 40GG. If you want to try it in 38H, you'd need to order it elsewhere.

Post ABTF, and my biggest go-tos are the Goddess Michelle in Sand and the Panache Andorra in Pearl. I don't really care about seams showing through my clothes, and honestly the specific seaming on Michelle is what makes it fit me so well. I'm more bothered about coloured bras showing through my clothes, so I don't wear some of my other bras as often, but I also love some of Freya's half cup bras--they have such cute patterns!

Projected, seamed bras don't have to make your boobs look like cones or cylinders. They can look pretty round (most of my bras are very projected, unlined cups, and give a nice shape). The main problem is that they don't make many bras like that in your size range.

I just looked though, and it seems that they make Panache Andorra in 40D. It is a bra with medium-width wires and medium projection (though I'm not 100% sure how it scales in your size) that suits even top- and bottom-fullness, so it should be a lot more projected than your current bras, but without a lot of danger of being pointy. If you try it, I would suggest not getting the black, because black bras tend to run a bit smaller (something about black dye sometimes makes them less stretchy). Panache bands are typically pretty firm/true-to-size, and since they don't make C-cups, getting a 42 isn't an option.