Reddit mentions of Seagate IronWolf 10Tb NAS Internal Hard Drive HDD – 3.5 Inch SATA 6GB/S 7200 RPM 256MB Cache for Raid Network Attached Storage (ST10000VN0004)

Pair of 10TB Seagate IronWolf drives as a mirror will do the trick for WAY less than $2,000.

Note that you said ARCHIVE, and I am responding as such. These are not super high performance drives. This is also live storage only, and does not include backup. But hey, good news - since you're only spending $800 on the pair, you can afford to buy two pairs of them instead, and back up from one mirror to the other, preferably in separate machines! Problem solved!

I strongly recommend building a proper NAS (well, two, really). This doesn't have to be hard - standard PC parts will do the trick, including "the older machine I have lying around". You said "safest", so I'm recommending ZFS. If you don't know what the hell that is - that's ok, google NAS4Free. (FreeNAS is also an option, but in my opinion is a lot more fiddly to deal with. NAS4Free is very, very straight forward.)

If you build two of them and back up from one to the other, you'll want ZFS replication to handle it. This will want a little command line help. I built a tool called syncoid that can do the trick pretty easily, if you aren't allergic to the command line. If you are allergic to the command line: I recommend investing a couple hundred bucks in getting somebody more technical to assist you with this part of it.

I ABSOLUTELY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DO NOT recommend RAID5 as a "safe" way to store your data. No way, no how, don't do it.

Shitty image.

Just finished building the $350 24-thread powerhouse, with a few minor adjustments. I picked up the Thermaltake F31 instead, as I really wanted a non-LED case, and this one has sound-dampening material which cuts down on the dual CPU fan noise.

I also had to pick up an EPS splitter since the 650 only has one. Would have been better to go with the EVGA 750 for power instead, as that has everything this motherboard needs.

Had 24GB of RAM from an old desktop build, so I didn't need to buy that. HDD is a 256GB Crucial M100, and have 10TB of spinning rust for larger amounts of data storage.

Media is stored on a DroboFS w/ 5 x 4TB WD Reds.

If I were doing it all over again, I'd also replace the CPU fans with Cooler Master 212s, as the Intel ones are so large (and square), that they overlap with one another and I needed to remove the fan shield in order to get them to fit.

Currently running Plex, SteamCache, DNS, and a few other things, all running via Docker and provisioned via Ansible.

True, 10 TB is currently at $339 https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST10000VN0004/dp/B01IA9GU0Q

Next year this will be more like $200. And frankly we don't need 200 MB for at least another 5 years.

And in five years you will have those 100 TB drives at $339. So about $30 per 10 TB.

Finally in then years you will have trouble even finding anything below 10 TB.

3 3TB drives. I can install every game I own on it, plus shows and movies, and I keep a lot of git repos on my drives locally. I also have another 3TB acting as a server. These drives were pulled from a drobo after it wasn't needed where I work and I got to keep them, and I already had a 3TB drive so that became the server.
I have a 256 GB ssd from like 2012 that I want to replace with a NVMe SSD as my OS drive, and then use that one (a samsung evo) as my games SSD.

And honestly, hard drives are so goddamn cheap right now that you could get an 10TB for only a couple hundred, but I think 4TB are more efficient for price/performance.


But the short answer is - I like being over-the-top with everything in life, and especially with my PC

> basically an argument against surveillence.

No, no it isn't...

Answer this: What intrinsic value is there of recording someone taking a dump?

> large companies to small business to home owners have access to surveillence solutions that offer various retention models.

Yes, but that's not at all comparable to police video. This video needs to be stored in strict accordance with local and federal law. It needs to be stored on private servers (or government authorized servers). As do all of the backups. That increases the costs exponentially compared to what you do at home.

> wouldn't police departments benefit from additional evidence to help win those cases

Yes. I don't think anyone's arguing the benefits of recorded video.

> small IT cost

Small? Let's break this down because maybe this is where the disconnect is.

The average file size for a high def recording is about 10GB depending on the codec, frame rate, etc.

Say an officer only works 8 hours a day. They're recording 80GB per day. 5 days a week is 400GB/week. 48 weeks (guessing they take 4 weeks off a year) is 19.2TB for each officer.

According to this wiki there are about 1,000 officers. We're now saving 19.2 PETABYTES of information every single year.

Now, let's take a rough look at how much that's going to cost to store: I'm gonna make this super simple here This drive on Amazon is 10TB at 299.99 (and you in now way want to actually use this drive in any office environment). We would need 1,920 of these at a cost of....$575,980.80. And that's just the drives. Not including the server, the enclosure to keep the drives, the redundancy, etc. Additionally, you'll need at least one backup of all of that data.

Let's not forget that officers generally get large amounts of overtime, and we're looking at substantially over $1million for the FIRST year (and realistically over 2mil, but again, keeping it simple). Now, this compounds since we can't delete any of that data for at least 10 years (if ever) so, across those 10 years, we've spent $55million to store video. And again, it's extremely important to remember that these numbers are absurdly low to simply show how this grows out of control.

Let's say an officer has actual interactions 70% of the time (seems high to me, but I don't know what it actually is), we would be saving $38.5million in those 10 years by eliminating video of officers drinking coffee and taking a leak.

> let's be reasonable about where those costs are coming from.

Let's be reasonable on what those costs actually are.

okay then

Certainly he mean HDD, a 10TB SSD would cost way more than a PS4 Pro lul, this is the one he probably got https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-IronWolf-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST10000VN0004/dp/B01IA9GU0Q

I bought 3 on Amazon for about $350/ea a month ago - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IA9GU0Q/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Running great so far in my Synology NAS, runs as cool as Red drives while being 7200RPM, so not bad. - Registered for 3 year warranty as well on Seagate's site.

it is also $399 for a new one on Amazon... free shipping (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01IA9GU0Q/)

they look like seagate ironwolf drives.

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Drives made for "NAS" or "Enterprise" operations are a good idea. The people on /r/DataHoarder will give recommendations, but generally the WD Red, SeaGate IronWolf, or "enterprise" class drives are what you're after. I used to buy external USB drives and then remove the enclosure, but that gets you drives that are meant for backup use and not 24/7 operation, so those tend to die prematurely.

Just ordered a pair of these guys, they're supposed to be good :)

Amazon.com was the seller of that herring, and in the US at least, they also directly sell 10TB Ironwolf drives like the one in the OP's picture. ADDED: which he's confirmed was also the case with this disk drive shipment.

If you are running a server, I’d recommend going with a NAS specialized disk like seagate’s ironwolf. They are optimized for always on, heat and vibration resistance, long life time, etc. You can get a 10TB drive off of Amazon for pretty good dollars.

Also I think Seagate’s ironwolf that’s 10TB and above are helium filled, which is a pretty big plus.

> this would finally let me expand to another two drives without needing the external enclosure

Considering your storage needs, you should not be buying anything smaller than 10TB hard drives in the future::

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IA9GU0Q/

The modular power supply you picked is a good idea considering your space constrains and the possibility of needing more SATA power cables in the future.

> I've been working on freeing up space using Plex Cloud on my Drive account over the last month.

Isn't buying cloud storage a lot more expensive than buying physical hard drives?

> He knows the socket type, but not the exact model i7, so I filled in a place holder.

If it is socket LGA 1151, then it will be a Skylake or Kabylake Core i7. Any of those CPUs are powerful enough for 4 Plex transcodes, maybe more. That is a sweet deal if you're getting it for $250 or less. If he's giving it to you for free, he's a hell of a friend.

$116 grand?

He's getting ripped off....

Even 10TB for $60/y is unworkable, don't forget they're likely duplicating your data for redundancy, so lets assume 3 copies which is 30tb if you assume they're cheaping out on drives and using consumer grade disks (10TB Segate IronWolf @ $360 Amazon) and they get a 20% discount for bulk buying your 10TB needs 3 drives which is $864 ((360 0.8) 3) not counting any actual operational costs so it'd take them 14.4 years to break even on the cost of the drives alone.

Hardly a sustainable business model.