Reddit mentions of The Ultimate Scholarship Book 2016: Billions of Dollars in Scholarships, Grants and Prizes (Ultimate Scholarship Book: Billions of Dollars in Scholarships,)

You have a narrow mindedness about you, but I'll see if I can help clarify things for you:

1. That's called an internship. Many skilled jobs have them. Google, Microsoft, even my company offers paid internships for people interested in the fields that our respective companies need. There's also grants, loans, and scholarships that cover expenses during college years. You can even get a book that shows you tons of ones that you may not know about. http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Scholarship-Book-2016-Scholarships/dp/1617600709/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463516571&sr=8-1&keywords=book+of+college+scholarships This makes college relatively inexpensive. Of course, if you want to make college even cheaper, go to a community college for 2 years, then transfer to a 4 year to finish out your degree.
   
   
2. Luck had ZERO to do with my success. I've been "stuck" in many jobs before. Jobs that I hated, needed, and couldn't afford to be without. I simply used my time after work to gain better skills through various methods, and applied for other, higher paying jobs. There's nothing preventing people from doing the same.
   
   
3. The story is about automation replacing minimum wage workers. This is absolutely on point with the discussion. You need to explain how that's a fallacy.
   
   
4. See answer 1.
   
   
5. Where's my fucking cookie!
   
   
6. If you didn't get the skills you need for joining Job Corps, why didn't you try other places? Why didn't you ask others what they did? You didn't push hard enough forward.
   
   
7. And finally, you throw your hands up in disgust and give up. Let me point you to a little video by our good friend Mike Rowe.
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooruG2zK1XY
   
   And here's the link he's talking about.
   
   http://www.holtcat.com/careers.aspx
   
   So, tell me again how there's only 2 ways out of a blue collar worker job?
   
   If it was easy, people would find even MORE things to bitch about.
   
   You want $15 an hour up from $9-$10 an hour, you better bring me that much more worth of "employee" to the table.

Thanks for the reply. Not trying to start a confrontation, but rather I'm trying to gauge what you think about this whole thing in detail (since you and pretty much everyone else in this thread have been short on details).


>That's called an internship. Many skilled jobs have them.

Yes they do. And most of them are unpaid. I can't afford to work for free, even if it will increase my wages in the long term. In the short term, I will be homeless.

>Google, Microsoft, even my company offers paid internships for people interested in the fields that our respective companies need.

However, there are stipulations for paid internships. Certain requirements and criteria you must meet. Therefore additional training and education must be attained before hand, no?

Without that additional training and education, you don't qualify for these kinds of internships. Can't get that additional training and education without an income, this creating a catch-22 and making you stuck.

>There's also grants, loans, and scholarships that cover expenses during college years. You can even get a book that shows you tons of ones that you may not know about. http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Scholarship-Book-2016-Scholarships/dp/1617600709/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463516571&sr=8-1&keywords=book+of+college+scholarships This makes college relatively inexpensive. Of course, if you want to make college even cheaper, go to a community college for 2 years, then transfer to a 4 year to finish out your degree.

Ah yeah! My wife is doing this.

Here's the problem- those scholarships, grants and loans also have certain requirements.

But even if you meet those requirements, you've still gotta pay the rent and bills. Those loans, grants and scholarships, in most cases, will not pay for that.

I don't have the priveledge of living with my parents and freeloading. So I would need a full time job, AND go to school full time. While not impossible, it's improbable for most people.

The only way my wife can do it is because I work as a truck driver and make decent money, so I can handle all of the basic expenses. Even so, she will still need a fat student loan on top of her grants and scholarships, because I simply don't make enough to pay for an additional 2 years at a university (but I make too much for her to qualify for anything).

BTW, my wife did go to a community college for 2 years first. We did this entirely out of pocket. It was killer for my budget, and really made things tight. Yes it's much cheaper than going to a university for 4 years, but it ain't cheap.

>Luck had ZERO to do with my success. I've been "stuck" in many jobs before. Jobs that I hated, needed, and couldn't afford to be without. I simply used my time after work to gain better skills through various methods, and applied for other, higher paying jobs. There's nothing preventing people from doing the same.

Luck had a lot to do with my success. Even things as simple as being at the right place at the right time or just so happening to have enough money in the bank on a certain date to acquire a liscence of some sort.

Hard work plays an important role as well, but that's not the whole picture.

People in subsaharan Africa are some of the hardest working people out there, but without any luck, they're still stuck.


> The story is about automation replacing minimum wage workers. This is absolutely on point with the discussion. You need to explain how that's a fallacy.

It's confirmation bias. Just because everything worked out for you, means that it can work out for everyone. That's basically your entire argument.



> Where's my fucking cookie!

Haha


> If you didn't get the skills you need for joining Job Corps, why didn't you try other places? Why didn't you ask others what they did? You didn't push hard enough forward.

Uhhh yeah I did. I gave 2 examples of what I did.

My point there was that government "training", in my experience anyway, is bullshit. Job corps wasn't my first state funded training program, but it was my last.

I didn't get any real training until I started paying for it out of pocket or through contracts.

I probably should've explained that better.

>And finally, you throw your hands up in disgust and give up.

No I'm still here. I just was waiting for you to reply in detail.

>Let me point you to a little video by our good friend Mike Rowe.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooruG2zK1XY

> And here's the link he's talking about.

> http://www.holtcat.com/careers.aspx

Yeah that's basically what I did. Now I'm doing fine. I make good money as a truck driver.

I do want to note a couple of things about that second link-

129 jobs? That's not very many.

Also I noticed that many of those jobs don't list a salary range, which concerns me.


>So, tell me again how there's only 2 ways out of a blue collar worker job?

That's another fallacy. I just described two ways that I personally did it. It's pretty obvious there are more ways.

>If it was easy, people would find even MORE things to bitch about.
You want $15 an hour up from $9-$10 an hour, you better bring me that much more worth of "employee" to the table.

Tl; Dr Something something lazy millennial welfare Queens. Your argument completely broke down here.

Sorry man, but as someone who went from being homeless to working hard and making good money, you just have no idea how lucky you are. You completely take it for granted, and you look down upon those who may be working hard, but are stuck.

Do lazy people exist? Sure they do. There's plenty of people out there who don't have any aspirations beyond mc.donalds or jack in the box or whatever. But they're not nearly as common as you think.

EDIT- since you brought up minimum wage, I'm just gonna come out and say that IMO, local minimum wage should be 3x the price of a shitty studio in the ghetto. If that studio is $500 /mo, then minimum wage should be around $1500 /mo (assuming full time).

If it's $1000 /mo (like where I live), well, it should be higher.

Federal minimum wage should be enough to have a basic living standard in, say, the Ozarks.

Of course it never turns out that way, but I digress.