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Okay, as a 9mm reloader living in an apartment, here's my take.

First off, for everyone saying it won't save you much money: this is flat fucking wrong if you can get brass for free. I do this at the local outdoor range where people just leave their brass, especially after IDPA matches. The membership there is $100/year, so I guess that's my brass cost, but I was a member there before I started reloading and it was worth it.

Buying components in bulk, my ammo costs for 9mm with the particular kind of bullet I like (124gr flat point), powder I like (Clays), and whatever primers were cheap (Winchester in this case), is 11.3c/round. Even buying remanufactured Ultramax or Freedom or whatever you can't touch that price.

For apartment reloading, I use a Lee Classic Turret bolted to a 2x10 that I c-clamp to a tactical TV tray. When it's not set up, the press just sits on a shelf in my closet and it takes a single minute to pull out the "workbench", set it up, clamp the press to it and get cracking. And after loading a thousand or two rounds on it, I can crank out 100 rounds in an hour or so once I get up and going, so it's plenty fast. It's all the one-round-at-a-time focus of a single stage, with the speed and mechanical efficiency of a progressive. I love it.

I bought most of my gear secondhand, so I only have about $300 invested, but it'd probably be more like $400 new for the press, dies, powder measure (as a part of the press), bullet puller, calipers, and tumbler.

As for good load, I'm currently running a 124 grain whatever (currently roundnose, but I'm switching back to flatpoints after this thousand because they punch cleaner holes for competition) over 3.1grains of Clays. It's a pretty sweet round (less snappy than the Titegroup loads I was using) and the Clays powder is loose enough that it'd obviously overflow the case if I tried to doublecharge. I haven't chrono'ed it yet, but it's definitely accurate and feels like it should make 125 powerfactor for IDPA.

I can't believe it took me so long to start reloading, and the earlier you do it the more money you'll save in the long run. You can do it, I promise. PM me if you have any other questions; I'll be glad to help.

I’ve been slowly chipping away at this bench all summer and trying to figure out exactly how I want it set up, but I finally feel like I’m where I want it to be. In a couple weeks I’ll put together a layout/cut out table next to it covered in HDPE. If anyone is interested, I used [2x4basics 90164 Custom Work Bench and Shelving Storage System, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_8vsoDbPMPZ0B9](this setup on Amazon) to put the bench together. I highly recommend it and I know a few people do as well on this sub. Makes it easy breezy.

I probably got $100 in lumber into it as well, but I opted for a nicely finished piece of plywood for the top. I can’t imagine I have more than $175 -$200 into the whole thing.

Anyway I’m super happy about it.

Gorilla Racks (or equivalent) can be assembled into a workbench; if you purchase a couple of them, you can even get some extra flexibility with assembly and layout. Be sure to the kind with multiple holes, so you can vary the shelving height. Also buy some nuts and bolts to attach units side-by-side. One other thing you'll want to buy is something better for the top surface; use the shelving wood pieces that come with the shelves for the "base" (to align it with the shelving edges), but drill some holes in it and drill/glue a slightly larger piece of 3/4" plywood or something on top. Then polyurethane it to finish it up (alternatively, put a piece of thin steel or aluminum over the top and bend the edges down and screw or glue in place).

Another option if space is tight, and your needs are fairly "light duty" - get one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/WM125-Workmate-350-Pound-Capacity-Portable/dp/B000077CQ0/

Then get a piece of 4' x 4' 3/4" plywood. Open the jaws of the bench up to their widest point and measure it; subtract a 1/2" or so. Cut a piece of plywood out to this width, then center and attach it to the remainder of the plywood with screws and glue. Once that is dry, clamp it into the workbench, then on each "jaw" draw a couple of the "circles" on each plywood side. Then find the center of those circles, and drill thru with a 1/4" drill to the other side. Then on the top side, use a spade bit (say 1" or slightly more) to "widen" up the hole, but only go thru about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way into the wood. Do this for all four holes. Polyurethane the top to finish it.

Get some bolts - flat hex head, or pan-head with phillips or similar - long enough to go thru the top you made, and thru the hole in the bench, plus a bit extra (about an inch); they should be about 1 3/4 to 2" long - 1/4 x 20 - get four of those, four washer to fit into the countersunk holes, four larger fender washers, and four 1/4 x 20 wingnuts.

Chuck the top into the workbench; tighten it up. Drop thru the holes a bolt with a washer, then on the other side, back each up with a fender washer and snug it down with a wingnut. And there you go.

This kind of bench is light duty (or you can get one of the "heavier duty" Workmates if your budget allows for it), but very versatile. For instance, you could make a variety of "tops" to mount tools on that can be chucked into place (or make a "universal" top for several smaller tools) - things like a miter saw, router table, small table saw, scroll saw, grinder, small drill press, etc. You could even potentially make an aluminum top for welding on (welding steel won't stick to the aluminum - or make a steel top if you want). Again, this is only light-duty stuff, but it's portable, lightweight, folds up, etc.

Be sure to pick up additional clamp dogs for the Workmate, and a "repair parts" assortment; these will be handy to keep the main workbench in shape. Also one other tip (kinda OT): If you ever needed to split a piece of transmission hose lengthwise, the Workmate bench has the answer! The jaws have a v-groove, so you can chuck a length of the hose in the groove, then use a box-cutter razor, guided along the edge of the jaw, to cut the tubing down the side in a very straight line. You can probably do this up to about 1" diameter tubing; anything larger would flex too much. I had to do this to custom make some u-bolt "padding" for use on a vehicle roof-rack to protect the cross bars.

If you needed something a bit more heavy duty than the Workmate, Harbor Freight sells a low-cost welding table, that you could make your own custom wood tops to bolt down onto the table (when you weren't welding on it, of course). The table folds up, but it doesn't have any vice-like jaw system, so keep that in mind. It's also much heavier than a Workmate, being made of heavier gauge steel.

I will say that he's going to be limited with that workspace, but he can get by with some basic stuff. I also have extremely limited space. I have an outdoor shop space, but since it's not insulated and has no power, I'm very limited in what I can do.

However, here's a good list of things to get.

1. Corded circular saw. I highly recommend this makita saw, it's a good value.
   
2. Metal-body combination square
   
3. Basic chisels
   
4. Workbench with clamps
   
5. Pull-cut dovetail saw -- can also be used for most short-depth cutting work. I use it to cut (or clean up) tenons as well
   
6. Glue. Lots of glue. I like Titebond II for not particular reason.
   
7. As many clamps as your remaining budget can afford. These irwin ones are always popular, work well, and are cheap enough.
   
   Keep in mind that father's day is coming up soon, and tools like these are popular things to be put on sale. Keep your eyes open :)
   
   

Stay away from pallets please, cough up some money and some time (if you go to a box store) getting some okay dimensional lumber for projects.

If you decide to go the hand tool route, I've got all sorts of info and what not, I'd share. (Im a historical furniture maker's apprentice, I like to think I've got some decent knowledge) I've included a list here if thats the route you go.

Used this list for a couple posts, its about $200ish in all to get you started. This list uses chisels in lieu of say a router plane for dados and doesn't have an option for grooves but that's later down the road. I've got a big enthusiast list as well if you'd be interested.

> Crosscut/Ripsaw: Irwin Double Sided Pullsaw https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-Tools-Double-Edge-9-5-Inch-213103/dp/B0001GLEZ8
> Joinery Saw - I think this is the one Japanese saw I own? works okay https://www.amazon.com/Z-saw-Dozuki-Z-Saw/dp/B001DSY7G6/ref=pd_sbs_469_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B001DSY7G6&pd_rd_r=RBVEGF6TKKCZHVCH7WSH&pd_rd_w=16INj&pd_rd_wg=gFI50&psc=1&refRID=RBVEGF6TKKCZHVCH7WSH
> Chisels https://www.amazon.com/Narex-Republic-Woodworking-Chisels-863010/dp/B00GPC74ZQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1499302108&sr=1-1&keywords=narex+chisels
> Marking Gauge https://www.amazon.com/Crown-135-Marking-Gauge-Beech/dp/B00EC9AOZQ/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_469_lp_t_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ZBYMV8TF850C6M5JDGDG
> Bevel Gauge https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XC2NYKS?psc=1
> Mallet - I'd personally make one or buy a used one (of heavier wood, good grain and quality construction.) Amazon has some though. https://www.amazon.com/Narex-gram-Beech-Carving-Mallet/dp/B00L7BQL54/ref=sr_1_11?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1499302341&sr=1-11&keywords=mallet
> Combination square -does the work of several sizes of squares for the price of one - https://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-Combination-Square-Metal-Body-1794469/dp/B005XUHIBG/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1499302407&sr=1-2&keywords=square
> A No 4 or 5 sized plane - I buy old Stanley's/Bailey's because they're great, and usually cheap for bench planes - Flea Market/Antique stores/ebay -$20 ish --- Amazon also sells new (I give no guarantee on quality however) - https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-12-404-Adjustable-2-Inch-Cutter/dp/B000FK3WI2/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1499302507&sr=1-1&keywords=stanley+plane
> "Workbench" - temporary thing to hold pieces while you make dovetails - https://www.amazon.com/WM125-Workmate-350-Pound-Capacity-Portable/dp/B000077CQ0/ref=pd_cart_vw_2_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=CA9X21QD5D7QAXKMGE6S
> Woodscrew clamp, used to clamp peice to workbench while chiseling waste - https://www.amazon.com/ATE-Pro-USA-30143-Handscrew/dp/B0006A4A5U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499303583&sr=8-1&keywords=wood+screw+clamp
>
> Other than clamps, glue, mortice gauge, etc, this is good enough to get you started making carcass (dovetailed) pieces of furniture, like a shoe cubby or bookshelf.
>
> Thats around $200 for getting you started. Add a mortise chisel and mortise gauge and you can start mortise and tenon work. Invest in pipe clamps when you reach a glue up point.

I went with this guy, and it's plenty stout. Seville Classics is the maker; they also make all sorts of benches/cabinets that compliment the look.

Comes with lights, and a power strip, as well as a peg board backer. The top is full butcher block wood. I don't know what it's rated to hold, but I would imagine you could put 1,000lbs on there pretty comfortably. The drawers are a nice touch too.


https://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UHD20247B-Workbench-Stainless/dp/B005NAVFEW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1536597568&sr=8-3&keywords=seville+classics+work+bench








Edit: Here's a pic of my bench setup with reloading gear just to give you an idea. https://imageshack.com/i/pofXrwWlj




Edit2: You'll have to drill mounts for your press, but the table has a square edge on it, so it's just about perfect. You have exactly 6" on either side of the drawers to mount your press to ensure the drawers can fully open.

Everyone has said a lift (which is true) but a few more tips.

Use a corded drill with a drywall setter bit or a drywall specific screwgun type drill.

A cordless works and I will use it to get a few in a sheet but prefer a corded drill when finishing up.

Stagger sheets because very long seams are difficult to hide completely.

Use a good razor knife (I prefer Lenox Gold) and an aluminum t-square. If you are cutting alone, a stop lock hand clamp can be helpful to ensure the square stays in place. If you have to make really long cuts buy a piece of aluminum angle to use as your cutting guide and secure with clamps.

If you are doing wall sheets, a pocket kicker is helpful for snugging the sheet flush to eliminate large gaps.

If you have to cut out a significant number of boxes, magnetic guides are great. I prefer to use a Rotozip (spiral saw) for all cut outs.

Milwaukee makes a great jab saw that uses Sawzall blades. It's nice because you can use high tooth count blades for cleaner cuts than a standard jab saw.

Use a drywall rasp for cleaning up rough cuts and for taking off high points.

Could start off by getting one of the cheaper Sjoberg workbenchs. There is a $354 shipped bench that is MDF laminate or a Birch version for $429.

Of course you can always make your own, but Sjorbergs is top quality, those prices include shipping, and you can set it up our of the box when it gets there, since you have limited tools and space to do anything at the moment.

Once you get a workbench set up, you'll probably want to lay something down in your work area on the floor. If you have some sort of hard surface, you're going to want to protect it from anything you might drop and if it's carpeted, you'll want a nice hard solid surface to work on. Maybe get some of those piece together puzzle type gym mats (don't know the real names for them).

If you stick with hand tools (chisels, hand planes, hand saws) you can really minimize the saw dust that will be floating around everywhere. For clean up, you can pick up a small five gallon shopvac from any big box store or even walmart for around $30.

Quick terminology point: That's not 'against the grain', that's 'cutting end grain'.

'with' or 'against' the grain is when you are cutting along approximately the grain direction, and the exact angle means that either the fibres being cut are supported ('with' the grain), or unsupported ('against'), where the supported fibres cut cleanly, and the unsupported ones cut less cleanly.

That aside, what /u/aberund said about slicing motion is probably about as good as you can do with that tool. When faced with similar cuts, I tend to rough them out with either a larger knife, axe or chisel, depending.

With a larger knife (e.g. a Mora Companion - a general purpose 'outdoors' knife, with a 4 inch blade), you can apply more force (as well as slicing), and sometimes I grip the handle and tip of the blade, and either push or pull, akin to how a draw knife is used. That two handed use does require some other way to hold the work (bench + clamp, or legs depending).

The axe is probably the easiest way to cut, but least control. I use a small piece of MDF clamped to a bench as a chopping block when carving with the axe. Note that although a simple firewood hatchet will work, you get better control and surface finish with an axe better suited (thinner head, steeper angle on the bevel, probably a little lighter too). I've ended up with a range of axes (er … seven at last count!) so I tend to start larger, an progress to smaller.

A carving axe is sharp enough that I've on occasion grabbed it just under the head, and used it like an outsized knife.

A chisel is somewhere in the middle between the two on the 'power and control' stakes. They pretty much require a bench and clamp of some sort [0], but the different geometry allows for more power to be applied behind the edge. There's three sorts of usual ways to use them: handle in the offhand, fingertips of the primary positioning the tip of the edge, and pushing on the end of the handle with your shoulder; holding the handle in one hand, top part of the blade in the other with a pushing and slicing motion; and one handed with a mallet. That's in rough order of increasing power and decreasing control.

With any of these techniques, I'd usually aim to go back and make a very fine cut with the same tool set that did the reset of the piece; i.e. make sure that it's finished with the knife that did the rest. This gives a uniform surface finish, and hides the fact that other tools may have been used.

I'm sure that there's lots of other options, that's just the subset that I've actually done.

[0] Although I've done everything carving related on one of these:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Decker-Workmate-WM301/dp/B0001GS0FU/ … so it doesn't need to be a massive one to be extremely handy.

The thought process for reloading is that you are able to shoot more for the same price. While that may be true, I save money by limiting the number of rounds I take to the range so I can always have a supply at the ready for what ever emergencies may arise. If you have the mindset of "if I have it, I am going to shoot it now", cost savings is not a reason to reload.

With that said, the list above is very thorough. There are a couple of things you can look at and first, is the bench. This is my bench. I used the 2X4 Basics for my bench and love it. If you live in a wet environment it helps by having the plastic on the floor and not wood. This also makes it easier to clean around your bench. Secondly, if you are planning to shoot a lot at one time and don't want to space your cleaning out, you might want to look at a larger tumbler (My opinion! I don't have anything against my purchase of the HF tumbler except its capacity). If you and your friends are mechanically inclined, you can build one.

Lastly, you wanted to know why you should be reloading. This is tough to answer because it is different for everyone. I reload for these reasons (not in any particular order):

• 1- Cost
  
• 2- Ammo that is tuned to my firearms
  
• 3- Cleaner firearms after a trip to the range (compared to factory ammo)
  
• 4- Quality control
  
• 5- Knowledge - Especially in the environment we are currently in. Trying to figure out how to make a recipe work for you when you can't find your go to powder or bullets.
  
• 6- Entertainment - I enjoy it. I can tune out many of life's issues because I am focused on the process. Plus, if you have friends or family that can be involved in the process, it may spur them to start loading as well. The network of friends and family is invaluable.
  
  Everyone has their own reason to reload. They may not 100% agree with mine, but that's what makes it a community.
  
  Also, don't forget to use the 20% off coupons at harbor freight. I bought my digital calipers there for $12. They also have an ultrasonic cleaner that works well.

I'm currently doing this with my shop and definitely recommend it as well. For you planer/jointer (if you have them) look at the the casters that retract from the ground instead of locking wheels. Something like this:

11500 Workbench Caster kit - 4 Heavy Duty Retractable casters
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DX7HL9G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_UYADCb5G4XR5A

It makes using those tools a lot safer while still giving them a mobile option.

I've put drawers on all my stands too.. that way I have storage options. Also helps keeps tools of the same catergory all together (drills, bits etc are in the drill press stands drawers.. same with my sanding station).

Good luck!

I'm completely new to woodworking, too. I did a workbench for my first project.

I bought this cheap B&D Workmate, and built this simple workbench. Got the cheap lumber from Home Depot. The solid core door that serves as the workbench surface is heavy, probably >50lbs.

All I used was a circular saw, drill and a couple clamps. I did it in a day and a half. I know some could do it in like an hour or two, but I literally don't/didn't know how to do anything more than hang a picture on the wall before I built this bench. I was actually very surprised at how easy it was and how well it came together. It actually looks like a real table/workbench! LOL

All WorkMates are NOT equal. You want a WM425 or better if you're going to try to do any serious woodworking. It's far more substantial and stable than the lesser models.

amazon link for the WM425

Or the WM1000

Or best of all, find a GOOD one on craigslist from the 70's back when they were built like monsters.

I'm looking into building some small wood based projects around the house. The is going to be a work bench that is based around a kit like this that comes with everything but the wood. The second item is just going to be a basic rectangle made from 2x4's for a small garden cut out.

My question is: Is there any home goods store (lowes, home depot, etc) that you can purchase wood from and have them cut it? Like say, I walk in with a list of different lengths of 2x4's, 2x6's, particle board, plywood, etc and have them cut it? Basic google searching yields sort of iffy results. Some people say no, some yes. What concerns me is that the people that say yes say the places do a extremely rough cut at best that usually yields very sloppy results.

I don't have the woodcutting tools or I'd do it myself and I definitely don't have the need to justify investing in said tools. On the other hand, I don't want to end up with a sloppy end result just because these places don't do the cuts to a decent standard.

I don't have a suggestion for a varidesk style desk but I purchased a gladiator bamboo work bench which I set to my height and I use a drafting stool when I want to sit. (I'm 5'10" and the desk is set to the maximum height and is perfect for me. Might be too short for somebody taller). The bench itself is really solid and will probably last a lifetime of abuse.

I looked at the varidesk as well for my purposes but the price is really off putting. For the desk real estate. And like your brother, I wanted the full desk width to work with for gaming purposes.

Another option is to get the varidesk and some adjustable arm monitor stand and use the varidesk for only the keyboard/mouse, but it's still not an optimal solution. The other options seem to be the adjustable style desks which get really expensive and was out of my price range (I didn't want to spend around $1000 on a desk).


Good luck in your search!


The work bench:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B008UQ0F3S/ref=mp_s_a_1_sc_1?qid=1420593841&sr=8-1-spell&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm on day 9 of 12 hour days getting our show up and running so I haven't had a chance to check back in. If anyone is in NYC pm me for info and discount codes.

Yes, Winch! haha Hopefully my rigging is better than my spelling.

We are using one similar to this:
http://www.amazon.com/Sportsman-EHOISTUL-lbs-Electric-Hoist/dp/B0001YIUZC/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1456512753&sr=1-1

A shop winch, nothing serious. hard-wired power.

I'm looking for a good workstation for a small space, so something compact or collapsible is ideal. Figured this sub would have some good insight for that. I've found this "Keter Folding Compact Table Work Station" which seems to fit my needs pretty well, but wanted to see if there are any other good options out there. The fact that this one can fold up is a huge plus, but while adjustable, I'd really like to find one that is a bit higher. I'm a tall guy, so working on it from a standing position might be a pain.

I'm not doing anything intense with regards to projects, so I don't need some titanium framed monster that can hold 2,000 lbs. Mostly would be using it to clean firearms on not-the-kitchen-table, and repairing fencing weapons - so just needs to include or be able to mount a vice of some sort.

For an outfeed table, this might work (see link below). I am in love with it! It doesn’t wobble (unbelievably), supports 300 lbs), and folds up compactly. I’ve done carving and wood burning in my apartment living room, brought it down to my boyfriend’s to do some woodworking, and thrown it into the RV to basically run a kids’ makerspace on his daughter’s front porch, 700 miles away.

Since I have two, my new plan is to take two 2’x4’ pieces of 3/4 ply, and hinge them together, so I can unfold it over two tables and make a bigger portable bench. Haven’t gotten there yet.

https://smile.amazon.com/WORX-WX066-Sidekick-Portable-Table/dp/B072X4T8BF/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=worx+table&qid=1567862349&s=gateway&sprefix=worx+table&sr=8-4

Just so you know, I DO also have their sawhorse table, but I don’t find it nearly as useful, mainly because it is heavier and bulkier. But that’s just me.

https://smile.amazon.com/Pegasus-Multi-Function-Sawhorse-Clamps-Holding/dp/B01HREBZ3M/ref=pd_aw_fbt_469_img_2/143-3971518-1701924?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01HREBZ3M&pd_rd_r=adf87104-406d-4d93-84ac-05bdeb35156f&pd_rd_w=TtU7g&pd_rd_wg=r2TTH&pf_rd_p=3ecc74bd-d08f-44bd-96f3-d0c2b89f563a&pf_rd_r=CTZDX0WGE7BCEZ5V8QB2&psc=1&refRID=CTZDX0WGE7BCEZ5V8QB2

Know that you can link two or more tables together, or even the table with the sawhorse, though that is annoying, because while they are the same height, they are not the same dimension.

Hope this post helps!

Also, think about a jigsaw. It’s not as clean a cut, but with some guides and some practice, a straight line is possible, and you can also cut curves. It might be more bang for your buck, and a space saver. I’m not saying it compares to other saws...but for your particular situation, the DeWalt 20v cordless one may be a good quality purchase.

Link to my bench setup: Its pretty reasonable and super stable. 10/10 would recommend.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reloading/comments/2vut7l/birthday_gift_from_the_wife_new_reloading_bench/




Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/Seville-Classics-UltraHD-Lighted-Workbench/dp/B005NAVFEW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/176-6724494-7125627



Costco.ca

http://www.costco.ca/.product.100084114.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-itempageVerticalRight-_-CategorySiloedViewCP&cm_vc=itempageVerticalRight%7CCategorySiloedViewCP

OP delivers!

We had originally considered purchasing a vehicle lift, but they were much more expensive, required a lot of headroom (the garage ceiling is only about 8'4" high), and would have required us to change the garage door tracks and opener to let it clear. This was a much simpler (and cooler) solution.

Many parts were purchase from Amazon, so I provided links so you can take a look.

Parts:

• Winch
  
  
• Pulley
  
  
• Carabiners
  
  
• Snatch blocks
  
  
• Rope hoist
  
  
• Hydraulic Vehicle Moving Dollies
  
  
• 3/16 (840LB capacity) steel cable
  
  
• Cable clamps
  
  
• Cable 'eyes' (keeps the cable in a nice curve when going around the carabiners)
  
  
• Lag bolts
  
  ==================
  Details:
  
  I had access to the studs and rafters as we removed the drywall to remodel the garage, so I was able to use 2x4s and 2x12s to strengthen the areas where the eye hooks were secured.
  
  I built these pivoting support blocks to keep the axle from taking any of the load. I put carpet on the blocks to keep them from scraping the new garage floor.
  
  I use these dollies to position the trailer to be hooked up to the pivot blocks.
  
  I use the rope hoist to make the raising and lowering of the trailer a one person operation. You need to pull the trailer away from the wall to get it to start lowering and also need to steady it on its way up so it doesn't fall into position too quickly.
  

The bench looks great; nice and sturdy.

But...

Definitely going to want a different set of casters. Ideally, fully retractable ones so you're not relying on the brakes and bearings to stop the bench from rocking.

thanks for the responce. i will be storing all my tools indoors so im not too concerned about rust. the drill press i saw was not that big so i could put inside, but you make a good point that i really dont need it currently. i was looking into a dowling jig, and a circular saw as well. whats your thoughts about the folding work benches they sell, like this: https://www.amazon.ca/WM125-Workmate-Portable-350-Pound-Capacity/dp/B000077CQ0/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1542555148&sr=8-3&keywords=folding+workbench

i have a fold up pastic table but im conerned its not a pracital solution. its about 2ft by 1 1/2ft

This is a simple workbench that I built using MDF, 2x4s, and Amazon "workbench legs." Extremely strong and holds 1000 lbs per shelf. You could probably build this (or something similar) for around $100.

The best thing about this is I can extend and make this longer if I wanted to just by adding longer lateral 2x4 and another set of MDF boards.

This bench takes up minimal space and can be broken down and moved very easily.

https://i.imgur.com/X3UAe9J.jpg

Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_xbl1DbYBKK3QQ

I'm in the process of wrapping up my new reloading bench. I'm using this kit from Amazon. If you flip through the user-submitted photos you can see a few people who are reloading with it, as well as all sorts of different ideas for configurations.

Given my space constraints I made mine 6x2'. Conveniently that means one 4x8' sheet of plywood gave me enough for two shelves plus two smaller middle shelves. It took me about an hour to cut the wood and put together the workbench. I had Home Depot cut the plywood for me but cut all the 2x4s myself. Total cost for the kit, all the wood, pegboard, some matte poly, and a paint brush is right around $200.

My upper shelves aren't done yet but will be 4' wide to support a nice big piece of white pegboard. I've ordered an LED shop light for lighting.

Even though I just have the lower part done it's awesome. Way way way sturdier than the crappy-ass "workbench" I had from Harbor Freight before.

I'll post pictures once the bench is done and the 550B is mounted to it, likely Saturday.

This is the exact bench I have I believe. The one side of the leg is a bit further extended so the tipping over part isn't a big issue most of the time. The main issue I have is that if I have a really stubborn case on resizing I will sometimes have to use my free hand to brace against the press to make sure I don't break the bench. The wood on top is not super stiff and it will tend to flex with the press a bit and I just get worried about breaking it.

Seating bullets is never a problem for me and I would say 95% of the time I am quite happy with the setup given what I have to work with.

Thanks for the pics! It really is a big help. I built my own desk using this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030T1BRE

Very sturdy, it's not going anywhere lol. I highly recommend the kit. Right now it's got my computer on it waiting for the DLS...

Get a foldable workbench like this:

https://www.amazon.com/WM125-Workmate-350-Pound-Capacity-Portable/dp/B000077CQ0/ref=pd_lpo_469_bs_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S88A53MHW0K5XHFJ99JG

And then also get another 1 inch piece of plywood to reinforce the press and the top of the work bench.

Works surprisingly well.

Why not drill? Two screws won't hurt the structural integrity of the wall or anything

I suppose i'd go from the ceiling joints down against the wall, that will be your simplest option IMO. Some 2x4s and metal brackets and you're hanging tools in a couple minutes.

Next option would be something that attaches to the table like this work table thats available from Amazon and Harbor Freight
https://www.amazon.com/Garage-Workbench-Light-Steel-Workshop/dp/B019K7O5FY

The rough part of kitting out a dream tool shop is ultimately what kind of work you want to specialize in. I'm assuming this is for a woodshop, not a metal or fab shop.

List of things to get:

1)Hand Saw - $15 at Harbor Freight

2)Screwdriver Set - $10 at Harbor Freight

3)Socket Wrench Set - $40 at Home Depot

4)Impact Driver

5)Cordless Drill all three can be purchased as a kit from HD for
$199

6)Circular Saw *

7)Chisels - $20 for a set of 4 from Woodcraft

8)Drill Bits - $10 for a set of OK bits from Harbor Freight

9)Bandsaw - $180 Rikon http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5337091086.html

10)Table Saw - $100 Grizzly http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/5333270924.html

11)Scroll Saw - $50 Dremel http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/tls/5333096371.html

12) Cross-Cut Miter Saw $65 Delta http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/tls/5317658737.html

13)Planer/Jointer - $125 Delta http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/tls/5335550484.html

14)Planes (thickness planer likely too expensive) - $40 a pop at antique stores, that's where I've bought all 5 of mine, and restoring them to useable condition took only a couple hours.

15)Hand sander - $50 Makita http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tld/5305002890.html

16)Dust Collection - $99, Harbor Freight, 1.5HP portable dust collector

17)Workbench - $80 for the kit on Amazon, plus about $100 in wood, $180, holds up to 1000lbs. http://www.amazon.com/Hopkins-90164-2x4basics-Workbench-Shelving/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1448995094&sr=1-1&keywords=workbench

18)Belt/Disc sander - $70 Performa http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/5335755070.html

19)Oscillating Spindle Sander - $105, Wen brand, on Walmart.com

20)Router - $20 Craftsman http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/5337762118.html

21)Router Bits - $40 for a starter set at Home Depot

22)Clamps - $30 http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/tls/5326270592.html

Total: $1448

You're exactly right. They are amazing. Especially if you have a small workspace

Centipede Tool K200 Support XL 15 Strut Expandable 4' X 8' Portable Sawhorse and Work System Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LSQK65O/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_vV6-AbSPC7JHR

Got them for Christmas 2 years back.

Here is a similar bench. Dunno if your going to find that exact one in stock. There are a bunch of cool ones out there. I do have to say I like this one the most but here's my second favorite that is found. 11 reviews and all 5 star so there doing something right.

http://www.amazon.com/Keter-217679-Adjustable-Folding-Table/dp/B00JU6SFP2/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

I bought this to make a bench:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030T1BRE/ref=oh_o05_s00_i00_details

It's handy in that you can make it fit any size since it's really just the attachment points for the wood. You can also take it apart and expand it if you get more room.

Simple 2x4 kit like these let you customize size, are sturdy and provide easy storage.

https://www.amazon.com/2x4-Basics-Workbench-Model-90158MI/dp/B005SQ365M

I'd double up on the plywood on the top so it is over an inch, or if you wanted to dress it up butcher block counterstops are fairly cheap, sturdy and look good.

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I've got three of the Seville classics "UltraHD" benches/work tables:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VY6BPGN/

They make pretty solid work surfaces. There's an adjustable-height version too.

https://www.amazon.com/UltraHD-Adjustable-Height-Heavy-Duty-Workbench/dp/B071VFXPFB/

Add some threaded inserts:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HGR7Q60/

and you could bolt the machine down to the top.

Alternatively, you could get one of the Rockler shop stand kits and some plywood:

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-24-x-36-shop-stand

This is the Keter Folding Workbench

And this is the Kreg KWS1000 Mobile Project Center

Depending on what you plan to do, this could be a good solution for the apartment woodworking you want to do.
These are by no means equal to a heavy sturdy self-made workbench, but they do get the job done, are practice, mobile and easy to store.

http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE
If you're somewhat handy this is a good route to go with. You can make it as long as you want and its pretty robust.

He probably got them on Amazon. I have the same legs on my bench. They're great - just need to buy some 2x4s and plywood and you're set. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0030T1BRE/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1419603607&sr=8-1&dpPl=1&dpID=51IxjCHyB3L&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SY200_QL40

Rockwell Jawhorse used to make a workbench attachment quite similar but I don't see any for sale anymore although the miter table is available which makes a good sub, and you could always get a jaw horse and make something custom. It has a saddlebag component for holding tools.

Also maybe this thing:
http://www.amazon.com/Keter-17182239-Folding-Work-Table/dp/B001CWX26Y/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1405813718&sr=1-1-fkmr1&keywords=rockwell+jawhorse+clamp

That depends on how long-term you want it to be. You can put two 2x4's on the flat on your garage floor, put the shelf board on top of that and set your blade depth correctly and be fine (note the blade goes on the outside of the supports, not between them). A step up from that would be a pair of sawhorses (build or buy) and a sheet of plywood (optionally ripped in half lengthwise and doubled over). Another option is a pair of sawhorses and a solid-core door. Beyond that, you can make a real workbench, anything from a few 2x4's and a sheet of plywood up to a Rubou bench. The "newfangled workbench" has some cool ideas in it if you decide you want to build a full bench. If you want something prebuilt and portable, you can get something like this, which looks pretty cool but I have no first-hand experience with.

Tools - Here are a few tools I would suggest getting. They are all relatively cheap, portable, and with a little creativity, they can do almost anything.
-drill
-router
-chop saw
-oscillating sander

Hand tools are a great way to go in an apartment. They are very portable and don't make a lot of noise. They do usually require more skill than power tools though.

Wood - Home Depot is an okay place to get wood. The one near me has oak, maple, poplar, and pine. There prices are about average. I would suggest starting on small projects like boxes and stuff so you don't need to bring home an 8' piece of wood. You can also order smaller pieces online from places like Rockler. The price will depend on the species. If you buy it in a store, you want to avoid pieces with big knots or cracks in them. These are weak points in the wood. You should also avoid winds and bows in the wood. Sight down the edge of the board to see how straight it is.

Work Bench - They sell portable benches that collapse down and are very cheap. Check this one out. collapsible bench . These are great, the one problem with them is they do not weight a lot, so if your doing anything that puts force in any direction but down you have to worry about tipping. Some of the nicer benches probably weight a little more.

I have had this for over a year now and I love it.

Seville Classics (UHD20247B) UltraHD Lighted Workbench (48L x 24W x 65.5H Inches) Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005NAVFEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ZZDaAbEJBSDGD

I use one of these for small projects and I love it:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B001CWX26Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_sbE-zb3JKAP10

I bought this one when it was 90 bucks. The price has been increasing since. It's awesome though. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001YIUZC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thank you so much! This is perfect. I thought sanding to square was serving me poorly. I've been on the fence about buying a #4 Stanley for months, but thought it might be frivolous and unnecessary. I've been especially worried about how useful it is on my wobbly fold-up table.

I recently picked up a Keter worktable seen here: http://www.amazon.com/Keter-17182239-Folding-Work-Table/dp/B001CWX26Y, Surprisingly well-made and sturdy. Comes with some built-in clamps which can be helpful, too.

I have the simple cheap version of this on my balcony. You just buy the plastic end pieces and buy 2x4s then put them together. Not nearly as fancy, but they do a similar job at a much better price, I imagine. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015XGCN0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_BT51CbYJGBCTB

Thanks!
It's a frame that you can buy from Amazon and use 2x4s and plywood to make it whatever size you want. Highly recommended.

I'd get the 12 sliding miter saw because it will do everything for the rest of your life. You will need it someday, or a friend. I got a Keter folding work table with a couple roller stands. The table can be used for other tasks.

This is a friend of mines setup, he uses a Black & Decker work bench and he loads a TON of stuff. If you haven't figured out a setup yet it might be something to think about.

Pic

Any desktop CNC needs a pretty sturdy table, especially one that won’t rack when the gantry moves. I initially build one myself, but it wasn’t sturdy enough so I switched out to a set of 2x4 Basics legs. Rock solid ever since, and much cheaper than a real workbench that’s sturdy enough for a CNC.

I bought these starter punches from Amazon. For $8.50, it's a no-brainer.

To replace muzzle devices, I use a Black and Decker Workmate folding workbench I bought for $15 and a short chunk of 2x4 that I drilled a 3/4" hole through and then cut in half (with the grain) through the hole to make a impromptu barrel vise out of the workbench. Worked great.

Ya, this model looks more reasonable, and I've seen build patterns for these that would also be better.

I just got some of these and am finisihing up my table tonight. easy peasy. http://www.amazon.com/2x4-Basics-Workbench-Model-90158MI/dp/B005SQ365M/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1397684365&sr=8-11&keywords=2x4+basics

Tactical TV tray seems to be a good option.

This makes me think of a new product I saw advertised today (actually yesterday -- about 3 am here -- new to me). It was a folding contraption that, when it opened up could support a table or board and serve as a "sawhorse" or workbench.

https://www.amazon.com/Centipede-Tool-K200-Expandable-Portable/dp/B00LSQK65O

Sorry guess I should have mentioned a budget. I am willing to spend 300-400 if needed. When I said basic I more ment in the design. I dont need anything fancy with overhead lights and bells and whistles on it


Edit: something like this perhaps? those adjustable legs don't look like something you would want when it comes to lathe vibration thoe.


https://www.amazon.com/UltraHD-Adjustable-Height-Heavy-Duty-Workbench/dp/B071VFXPFB/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=packing+table&qid=1562725257&s=gateway&sr=8-15

Built a couple of these in a matter of hours. I like that the feet are plastic and waterproof.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0030T1BRE/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

Here it is. So handy. I use it all the time and it supports up to 1,000 pounds
http://www.amazon.com/Keter-17182239-Folding-Work-Table/dp/B001CWX26Y

Would something like this work?

Consider using a kit like this if building a whole bench from scratch is a little too much for you.

I like this one at half the price: http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90110-Flip-BenchTable-Sand/dp/B0015XGCN0/ref=pd_sbs_lg_1

I live in a high rise apartment in the middle of Philly so I have to take everything outside anytime I want to do anything. This has been a dream - sturdy work surface, breaks down and sets up in a heartbeat, has some clamps that come in handy, and weighs very little. www.amazon.com/Keter-17182239-Folding-Work-Table/dp/B001CWX26Y

They're all over the place and not bad either. It doesn't matter where you live.
harbor freight
walmart
home depot
amazon

The WORX unit is a keeper, because you can really clamp stuff down and hold it well:

https://www.amazon.com/WX051-Pegasus-Folding-Table-Clamps/dp/B01HREBZ3M

I put together a very similar setup when I had a '85 4Runner with removable hard top. My system used nylon rope with the 4 corners going around pulleys attached to the rafters with eye hooks. Then all 4 ropes tied into 1 which went around another pulley at the wall, then down to a 5 to 1 pulley hoist so I could raise it all the way to the roof and park under it. Once it was up at the roof I had some heavy duty rope looped around the rafters that I looped under the ends of the 2x4's holding the hard top, as a backup in case any part of the system failed.

I also helped my friend setup a similar system to remove his '67 Bronco hardtop, which was much heavier so we used a crank winch instead of the pulley hoist.

They're HD injection molded plastic legs that allow you to make your own bench any size you like-- best $70 I've ever spent on a bench.

UltraHD Adjustable Height Heavy-Duty Wood Top Workbench, 48" x 24" https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071VFXPFB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_KxwKDbECM1JC0

My personal suggestion (if you're willing to take the time) is starting with this kit. It's a bit more work and costs more as it requires you to buy and cut lumber, but I think the payoff is worth it. There's a lot of room for customization and fitting the bench to your needs. Mine feels pretty much bomb proof.

http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GAWB06MTZG-6-Feet-Adjustable-Height/dp/B008UQ0F3S?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

Got it from an Amazon warehouse deal for $220

https://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-iphone-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0030T1BRE

Its a kit from Amazon.

We have a plastic version of that at my parents Chalet.


Here’s a link to the amazon equivalent of what we bought: https://www.amazon.ca/2x4-Basics-90110ONLMI-2x4basics-BenchTable/dp/B0015XGCN0/ref=asc_df_B0015XGCN0/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292963272694&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13125981951500868275&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1002604&hvtargid=pla-365326656939&psc=1

2x4 basic bench is totally idiot proof - all you need is some 2x4s and ply or MDF - I did mine 2ft x8ft with 3/4 inch ply on the bottom and middle shelves and 3/4 inch MDF for the top and it's solid as a rock.

http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE

Pic of my bench - took about 90 mins including cutting the 2x4s by hand

http://i.imgur.com/jje0N8R.jpg

Here are things from my wishlist (past and present)

Wera Screwdrivers
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0085NTQJK/

Oscillating blade set:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0109SELWA/

Clamp multimeter:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00NWGZ4XC/

Kreg Jig Jr.:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000J43A7W/

Angled Long Nose Pliers:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00N3VSS4S/

Groove Lock Pliers:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000FK1R0W/

11 ft wifi endoscope:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MYTHWK4/

non contact voltage tester:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B001UAHZAM/

claw nail puller:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0015YPJMY/

Workmate portable work bench:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000077CQ0/

Cable snake fish tape:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000BP7WBO/

9 Outlet metal power bar:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00F8ZQY5M/

Spade drill bit set:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00099E7WE/

36" bubble level:
https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B000UKMWMO/

I have been using a Black and Decker Workmate for about 6 months now. Cheap and mobile. I added a 3/4" piece of plywood to the top to make it more rigid. Probably under $50 and I have 2 presses loaded to it.

This is my apartment work bench. Plus it folds up and I can stow it in my closet. Doesn't take up much space.

A few of us have used this kit: https://smile.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE/

Black and decker workmate.

2x4basics 90164 Custom Work Bench and Shelving Storage System, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_L.qrDbD0EGNZW

2x4 Basics 90164 Workbench and Shelving Storage System https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0030T1BRE/


It’s $8 cheaper than when I got it last week.

Try this Hopkins 90164 2x4basics Workbench and Shelving Storage System https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=cm_sw_r_taa_ORwNxb8EY55EY

If you buy two of these you can make them bigger, within reason, then push them together.

Here's the bench he used: http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90110-Flip-BenchTable-Sand/dp/B0015XGCN0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1405357497&sr=8-4&keywords=picnic+table+frame.

Here is the desktop version of your link

I had THIS suggested to me as a portable table to use with my Hornady LnL progressive. Plan is to mount it to a plank and c-clamp it to this table when in use.

A heavier duty version.

bench kit

this and this

They’re made by 2x4Basics. They usually range from $50-$70. Here’s a link.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0030T1BRE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Would this be it?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HREBZ3M

Block and tackle sets. https://www.amazon.com/Super-Handy-Heavy-Duty-Capacity-Rope-Hoist/dp/B001BXJVNC/

Couple of those, extra rope, and some straps to wrap around the boulder. A single person could do it.

Edit: Heck, there's probably battery powered portable winches to make it even easier.

Check out this one Not sure what kind of stores they have in spain, but they have them at costco for around $50.

I did all the woodworking and finishing outside. I got a Black & Decker Workmate, which I would not recommend. It is pretty unstable when it comes to using power tools. There are a few tutorials and plans around for small 2x4 workbenches, and even some that are collapsible. I might build one of those before my next guitar project. The other downside to the Workmate is that it is pretty low, so I had to bend over a lot. I'm not a giant, either.

For tools, I got a basic Black and Decker router, drill, sander, and jigsaw. If you get the jigsaw, I recommend upgrading the blade for just a few bucks. I bought only the router bits I absolutely needed. I didn't do this until late in the project, but I built a router table with some plywood scrap. It made routing a million times easier with the crummy workbench. All of those tools and the workbench are easily stashed in a closet. For spraying, I used products from the Reranch, which required no air compressor or anything. Zero storage space needed.

Finally, I did the outside work in our back parking area. I did the spraying in our screened porch to avoid wind. I swept up some of the sawdust, and some of it just ended up in the grass. I did power tool work on weekends or early evenings on weekdays. None of the neighbors ever complained.

http://www.amazon.com/2x4basics-90164-Workbench-Shelving-Storage/dp/B0030T1BRE/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1371647403&sr=8-4&keywords=workbench+legs

I used somehting like this and just built a big ass bench outta 2x4's ...had it done in just a few hours for around 100 bucks I think...

Looks like shit tbh. Two presses, a vise, and too little space. Should probably put together one of these and do away with my cobbled-together bench, too.

I bought this from Amazon. It's basically just the (very hard and durable) plastic legs, and you cut and screw together 2x4s and plywood.

The work stand is a made by Keter. Here's a link to it on amazon. I have a small garage with no room for permanent work tables so this works great for my needs.

The workbenches are great, but they were a compromise. I don't drive and my spine is fused, so my ability to pick up things and carry them up my steps is very limited. If not for those limitations I'd have gone with this kit and picked up lumber at Home Depot cut to the dimensions I want to put it together.

I use mine on a Keter Folding Work Stand. It has not melted or been damaged. The surface area is big enough to set items beside the Blackstone while cooking.

Keter Folding Compact Workbench Sawhorse Work Table with Clamps 1000 lb Capacity https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001CWX26Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_T0BUCbKF07HG8