Reddit mentions of ASUS GTX780TI-DC2OC-3GD5 Graphics card - GF GTX 780 Ti - 3 GB GDDR5 - PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort

I hope this opinion factored in regional differences in price...just googled [amazon.it] (http://www.amazon.it/Asus-GTX780TI-DC2OC-3GD5-ASUS-PCI-E-N/dp/B00HFMPMX6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412247159&sr=8-1&keywords=780+ti) for example...still EUR 635

2000$?

You're like an American living in Silicon Valley saying Detroit and everywhere else in the USA is perfect. You've experienced the best Romania has to offer. Do notice that the minimum wage in Romania is 240$ and you said your colleagues were making 2000 EUROS (after taxes??), meaning $2500. Simple math says that your colleagues were making more than 10 times what a minimum wage worker makes in one month, meaning your friends worked only one month to get an amount of money a poor Romanian would have to work their ass of for an entire year. That's an attractive salary everywhere in the world, but in Romania it's HUGE. How can you consider yourself worthy of speaking for an entire country if you only lived near to people who were making thousands of euro a month? About 40% of Romania is rural. I'd love to see a peasant make 2000 a month shoveling manure, now that would be funny. Also, what a coincidence. Our president apparently makes 6700 lei a month which is about 2000$. Obama makes $33333 a month but I guess that's appropriate for "the most powerful man in the world".

> See here's the thing: I lived in Bucharest for a while as an expat. Utilities only set me back about 600 lei and I was living it large in a 3 bedroom apartment so I don't see how you can hit $300 in utilities. I'm paying almost 600 euros in utilities now in Belgium.

Note that I said "small family". Also, minimum wage is 800 lei in Romania and you just said that while being on your own you spent 600 lei on the bills alone and the government thinks that you can afford food, clothes and luxuries with those 200 lei that remain. A traditional family made of a working father and a stay-at-home mother is difficult to sustain given those conditions. The average wage in Romania is about 1600 lei. After you pay the utilities you're left with 1000 lei which is 300$ for non-Romanians. With 300$ you have to afford new clothes, food, going out, watching movies, buy furniture and electronics like a TV (a 40 inch TV is about 500$) or a smartphone (a nexus 5, considered a midrange phone is 350 euro in Romania). Most families also have only one person who works (the father) and has to sustain a few other family members or friends.

>Cars? They're like 20% cheaper than the prices in western europe and you have dacias cheaper than anywhere else and they are great cars. I remember someone in my office bought a VW Gold for 15000 euros while another friend of mine that was living in Scandinavia bought almost the same model for 45000 euros.

Romania is full of cars that have Bulgarian license plates. I'll leave you to think about why that happens.

A car is 20% cheaper but are salaries here only 20% smaller than in the rest of Europe? Minimum wage in Poland is almost double than it is in Romania, about 400 euros. Minimum wage in Poland is higher than the average wage in Romania. Yes, that's true, look it up. Do you think a Romanian cares about 20% cheaper cars when he struggles to make what in Poland is considered the absolute minimum wage? And that's Poland, I won't even talk about Germany, UK, France or goddamn Scandinavia. You're being silly here.

>Electronics? Are you fucking shitting me? I stocked up on electronics like crazy when I was living there. I was buying the newest graphics cards and shipping them off to friends in europe where they couldn't even get them nevermind the price! After I moved to Belgium I had someone buy me the laptop in Romania and send it to me because it cost HALF what it cost here!

you mean second hand? An online shop that sells electronics even made an article saying that buying from other countries, especially from the UK isn't cheaper than buying from them. http://blog.pcgarage.ro/magazin-pc-garage/componente-pc-mai-ieftine-%E2%80%9Cafara%E2%80%9D-mit-sau-realitate/

Here's a gtx780 Ti as an example:

http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-video/asus/geforce-gtx-780-ti-directcu-ii-oc-3gb-ddr5-384-bit/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-DirectCU-Graphics-Express-DisplayPort/dp/B00HFMPMX6

3277 lei vs 2665 lei (from UK, link below, same model) . Even without the price cut Amazon sells that GPU at 2750 lei. My gpu, a 7850, was about 1150 lei in Romania. In the UK it was always much cheaper. In the USA my HD7850 was 180$ at that time. The popular entry level smartphone is Moto G and it's $130 in the USA, in Romania it's about $300.



>And don't get me started on your internet. Gigabit internet for like what... $15 US? Mobile internet costs like $3 and it works everywhere.

Gigabit isn't available everywhere though. That's the only good thing about living here, that and piracy laws that aren't enforced at all, and very rarely someone gets busted for cybernetic crimes. And no, mobile internet is a bit more expensive than that. The 3$/month internet you're talking about is probably slow mobile internet that's capped at about 100 or 200MB a month.

>Beeeeer! Oh my freaking god I could buy a beer in a bar for one euro and it wasn't a bargain bin brand. It was only lagers but I can live with that.

Since when is food a worry? even someone from the rural parts of the country can afford beer and almost anything he wants to eat. Why do you think villages are full of drunken hobos who pick fights with people all the time? Alcohol is something everyone can afford and if they're too poor to afford a beer chances are they're living in a rural area where they have the means to make their own stuff like Palinca, Tuica, wine or whatever.

>I will give you that the salaries are sometimes low (though my romanian coworkers were taking home almost 2k euros after taxes) but you pay next to nothing in income taxes. What's you income tax? Flat 16%? Call me when you're paying 45%. Your VAT is high but you have basically no property taxes. Back home in Canada I am paying through the nose for not selling my apartment after moving out of it.

Did you seriously compare CANADA to Romania? Canada is one of the best countries you can live in. Every wealthy Romanian person moves to another country when they require medical aid, they know that money can buy better things than what Romania's free "healthcare" can provide.

And also, taxes are much higher. You end up paying around 50% of what you make after you take into account income tax (16%), health tax, insurance and the other taxes that you have to pay. I don't know where you lived or where you worked but taxes here are so high that working illegally is extremely popular, even though it obviously has severe consequences. People would rather sacrifice their pension than to starve to death working like a slave for minimum wage.

>Worst? You're complaining your kids learn C++ and Python? All the countries on this planet are desperate to introduce programming to the school curriculum and you are dissatisfied that your includes it? Why? What possible reason could you have to complain about something like this?

We're talking about kids here. Children who are going through difficult times and don't have time for all that. C++ is considered a fairly low level language, it's a bad choice for a first language. It's too complicated. It's not for everyone. Something more simple like Java would've been a better choice. Slamming a hundred books on a kids desk and telling him "memorize all that or else!" isn't education. You can't force feed education and expect it to work. Paid tutors have become a trend here, you can't survive without one because there are specific rules you have to follow even when solving math problems. You have to write in a specific, robotic way or else you lose points. Same goes for language tests and others. Everyone cheats during their tests here, teachers getting bribed and offering extra, paid classes to students (in exchange for better grades of course) is a huge problem here. It's such a big problem that instead of buying furniture or equipment for schools they're put cameras everywhere. And guess what, the moment cameras are installed, the average grades in that place drop significantly.

>Your highschool graduates can stand toe to toe with the STEM universtiy graduates of other countries and you think this is a bad thing? What is this bizzaro world?

You mean hypothetically or in practice? It's a bit optimistic to hope such a thing. Because every year about 60-80% students fail the Bacalaureat exam that they need to pass in order to graduate university. That's how much old literature, derivatives, integrals and C++ matters to 80% of the Romanian population. If you're a country full of poverty and corruption you can't hope to achieve what the USA, England, Japan and other more advanced countries couldn't. It's been proven that poverty and education greatly affect someone's IQ. That's why Romania has a fairly low average IQ. The 3rd or 2nd lowest in EU from what I saw here: http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

Sorry for the long reply and the many types of currencies used. But I'm sure that you'll either write tl;dr or insult me. Well it's too late to delete this now that I've wasted so much time so here I go.

This is why I keep checking between the 2 should probably check Amazon from now on too but note that both amazon and ebuyer have it on sale, i got my tv, speakers, keyboard and mouse all in ebuyer sales, the price of them as all shot back up again now

but for instance:

amazon.co.uk - £519.98

ebuyer.com - £556.42

scan.co.uk - £539.74

the amazon ones on sale, it'll go back up later or the scan one will be on sale, it just pays to shop around.

Hello !

I have a question about graphic card.
I'm currently looking for a GTX 780 Ti and I noticed there are different type of it. To begin with the brand : Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ... Is there a true difference between them ? Will they work with the same motherboards ? Is there any difference between these 3 : MSI, Asus, Gigabyte ? The price is not the same, particularly for the first one ... I also just noticed that the Asus one is a 954MHz, what is the difference with the other two, which are 1020MHz ? Is the 1020MHz version a lot better than the 954 ?

Thank you !

I suspected that was the case but didn't know for definite. Almost a shame really, for such a low end card I get staggering performance out of it. I'll be upgrading fully come September-ish (student loan ftw) so it's of no real urgency. Been considering Asus Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti (http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-DirectCU-Graphics-Express-DisplayPort/dp/B00HFMPMX6/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1394734664&sr=8-7&keywords=780ti) for all my gaming needs. I admit though I'm curious as to what performance I'd get if I found another 460 on a temporary basis