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u/SuperBrandt ยท 28 pointsr/latterdaysaints

Oooo this is my wheelhouse!

First, I would recommend looking at the Mormon History Association Best Book awards going back to 1966. Quality scholarship, research, and writing are a mainstay with them.

Required reading:

Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet by John Turner / Brigham Young: American Moses by Leonard Arrington

Considered two of the best books about early Utah and the Brigham Young years. Arrington's book was considered groundbreaking when he wrote it, and Turner's book brings in the valuable perspective of the non-Mormon writing about Young. For many Mormons, Turner's book will be less sympathetic to Young than Arrington's, but Turner also worked closely with the Church Archives (and spoke glowingly about them and that process), so his research had access to some better sources. If you need a primer for Brigham Young, I recommend Arrington's book. For a Brigham Young graduate level course, I recommend Turner.

Early Mormonism and the Magic Worldview by Michael Quinn

To understand much of what happened in early Mormonism, you must understand the role that folk magic played in the lives of Americans in the 1800s. Quinn's research at this time was top notch, and he was a quickly rising star among Mormon historians. Considered one of his best works, and foundational to the understanding things like seer stones, divining rods, visions, and everything else that happened in the early church days.

David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism by Greg Prince

Covers late 1940s - 1960s Mormonism, one of the "rising moments" of Mormonism when we went from a Utah-church to a worldwide church. Prince had amazing access to the journals of President McKay's secretary, which led to some candid discussions about things like the publishing of Mormon Doctrine by McConkie, blacks and the priesthood, ecumenical outreach, and politics.

Spencer W. Kimball by Edward Kimball / Lengthen Your Stride: The Presidency of Spencer W. Kimball by Edward Kimball

Ed was Pres. Kimball's son, and the books cover both the apostle years and presidency years of Spencer W. Kimball. If you had to choose one, get Lengthen Your Stride, but make sure it has the CD that comes with the book. This has the unabridged manuscript prior to the Deseret Book edits, which is much more interesting.

By the Hand of Mormon by Terryl Givens (heck...anything by Terryl Givens!)

I'll admit - I'm a Terryl Givens fanboy. By the Hand of Mormon was the one that first got me in to him, mostly because he took the Book of Mormon as a serious work of literature to examine it's merits. It's not as devotional as many traditional LDS books about the Book of Mormon (it was put out by Oxford University Press), but it really gave me a deeper appreciation for the Book of Mormon as contemporary literature. Also check out Viper on the Hearth (Mormons on myth and heresy), People of Paradox (Mormon culture), When Souls had Wings (the pre-existence in Western thought), and so many others.

And just because I'm a big book nerd, here's the list of books that are on my desk right now that I can give you quick reviews if you want:

u/josephsmidt ยท 12 pointsr/latterdaysaints

I think of on the untold stories, by believers and exmos and is implied in this narrative is that the translation process did change with time.

  1. There was a time he was writing down the characters and trying to decipher the meaning of the characters as if performing a normal translation. In fact, several scholars like Givens have concluded that the Anthon trip may have been more than just to appease Harris. It may be that Joseph himself (and Lucy his mother confirms this in her testimony) wanted to know if the characters were being translated correctly by a scholar as if again Joseph was attempting old fashioned translation.

  2. Later he started using the Urim and Thummim and again scholars say the evidence was such that he was trying to learn how to use them. He tried different things as he wasn't sure.

  3. Lastly he turns to the seer stone in the hat. Then it seems to work well.

    I point out this "untold story" for several reasons:

  4. Many exmos like to say something to the effect "TBMs try to hide that the book was translated from a stone in a hat. They say and show pictures as if it was translated in the normal sense of translation. Or they show pictures of him wearing the Urim and Thummim like glasses when it was a rock in a hat."

    Actually, there is evidence he began trying the conventional form of translation so for at least that stage the pictures are accurate. Furthermore, he did try to use the Urim and Thummim and one witness described them like glasses as if whatever Joseph did at one point made him think of glasses. So those pictures again might not be exaggerated for at least this part of the translation.

  5. To me, all of this trial and error work makes no sense if he has some hidden manuscript from Sidney or some other similar theory. If he had a hidden manuscript, why would he keep trying different methods of translation as if they weren't working? Why not just pick one and stick with it so as to not raise suspicion that things weren't working?

  6. Remember my last posts describing how the trial and error, making a guess and testing it like science, patterns go into actual revelation? Well, Joseph guessing at what to do, trying different things and converging on what works seems to yet again bear out these types of processes are involved in how actual revelation works.