Reddit mentions of Inferior: How Science Got Women Wrong-and the New Research That's Rewriting the Story

Oh please no...

A good book on the matter (if you go through smile it gives to a charity): https://smile.amazon.com/Inferior-Science-Wrong-Research-Rewriting/dp/0807071706/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502665895&sr=8-1&keywords=inferior+how+science+got+women+wrong

Also a great summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu1b54RtSE8

What's amazing is dudes not even understanding to use, I don't know, tact? To have, I don't know some sensitivity, when literally discussing whether science backs up women being less able to do all the stuff we judge the most admirable in our society and therefore implying that women are inferior to men?

Also I've been doing jiu-jitsu for twelve years and studied astrophysics (and in fact many of the most important discoveries in my field were done by women). Fuck off.

Not OP, but I found inferior very illuminating

>Can we also admit that men's IQ tends to wrap around women? Meaning that at the very far ends of the Gaussian, there are more men, meaning that there are more retarded men but also more genius men? When you get to something like professorship, you are selecting for the best of the best of the best, so you are going to start to see that far end of the Gaussian matter.

I honestly don't know why people put so much importance on IQ tests and SAT scores when neither are perfect measures. In fact, a construct like IQ is not a concrete domain and to treat it like it is, is pretty silly. On top of which, there is no CAUSAL link to IQ and success, it is all correlational. I would suggest reading up more on what IQ is, confidence intervals, regression to the mean, how well any test captures the top and bottom 1%, and what an IQ test or an SAT actually measures. To assume that an IQ of 158 versus 165 is going to make ANY difference to your creative ideas or chance at professorship/getting grants is a gross misunderstanding of the skills required in a scientific job. While you are at it, read this article to put "scores" in more perspective: https://qz.com/441905/men-are-both-dumber-and-smarter-than-women/. I would also suggest buying and reading this book: https://www.amazon.com/Inferior-Science-Wrong-Research-Rewriting/dp/0807071706

Thanks, you point out some good references showing science for sure can be biased. A similar problem existed, of course, for science based rationale for treatment of women as inferior
https://www.amazon.com/Inferior-Science-Wrong-Research-Rewriting/dp/0807071706

Is the right course of action to ignore the science and instead trust our instincts when something could be subject to bias?

> No one here has claimed it’s infallible ior sacred

Did....did you read the earlier posts?? There was a good deal of kowtowing to the all knowing BMI. I'm aware that research is not static an I hope that there's a better tool because this one is after all a couple centuries old and a lot of our understanding of how human beings work has changed since then.

Since you are a doctor and a statistician, have you by chance ever read Inferior? It's a book about how the personal biases of scientists influenced the assumptions made and the ways that they developed tools to enforce and confirm those assumptions. That specific book talks about gender, but I remember learning in the History of Science class I took to get out of my humanities requirement talking about Samuel Cartwright who developed tools to prove to others why specific people deserved to remain enslaved. There's a crazy sub on reddit that goes on and on about the correlation of skull shape and why they're not getting laid.

Before you call me a strawman again, I know I'm talking about extreme ways in which scientists are biased here. But when I read all of this I couldn't help but wonder what biases enforce how I look at data when I'm doing research and how the tools I use work within the context of other people. Science is not apolitical, no matter how much we try to pretend it does. Medicine isn't either, and I'm sure you can agree with me.

Granted in college, I didn't really work on anything involving people, I just ran markov models all day. But I love a lot of people who have different bodies who get told that they're just unhealthy, because their BMI is in one category or another and their doctors tell them that they're good and fine. The other people I talked to yesterday were certain that fat people were just unhealthy and I'm so deeply suspicious of people who go around saying that shit.

Edit: also you still haven't answered my question from before.