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>This is absurd beyond words. The overwhelming majority of Palestinians in 1947 had been born in Palestine. Their families had been there for generations. How exactly were they "foreigners"?

there families where there for how many generations, does that counts the Syrian and Egyptian parents?

>No, my issue is that the state has specific demographic policies to increase the presence of one particular ethnic group, the dominant one, in areas it considers strategic, and that this policy is not just restricted to Israel's own sovereign territory, but also to areas under its belligerent occupation.

so your issue is that Israel didn't move the arabs to the Negev but instead promoted the idea of jews moving to the middle of nowhere? and is not an "strategical" thing the movement of people to the west bank.

>They were not the majority in the Eastern part. That is why Jordan could capture it. Most European Jews settled on its newer Western side.

and the university became a weird stuff on the other side.

>Israel does not care about its inhabitants, but it does care about the land. That is why it is encouraging Jews to move to that side, and has encircled the city with settlements.

moving from the point that the city is central to Judaism, the majority of people still is in the west side and is still the growing side.

>And France, and India, and China, and Russia, and Germany, and South Africa, and your own Cuba. Only Israel sees East Jerusalem as its own sovereign territory.

and i..i have no issue with it...and since Israel didn't care for the inhabitants nor expelled them before it have no point or value.

>Some 1300 years ago, and again, by assimilating the native population, instead of displacing them and replacing them with its own.

more like "arabizing" the local population to the point in which they are not the samaritans nor judeans but arabs.

>Jewish population before the Brits was negligible. Less than 10%. It was under British colonial rule that the demographics were forcefully changed against the will of the population. Standard colonial policy.

so why there are so few Europeans in Bolivia, Nigeria, honk kong...it seems that your interpretation of colonization is not the British interpretation...

>Migration on a massive scale under foreign domination against the will of the local population is called colonization.

no, it is called migration...since the age of the roman empire all the way up to the ottomans.

>It's not as if Israel has offered citizenship. Regardless, Jordan's rule over the West Bank had little to do with Israel's oppressive and rapacious policies being applied right now. Obviously the reaction couldn't be the same.

so the "oppressive and rapacious" policies are not the reaction of what the people in the west bank, jordanians or palestinians did and continue to do? and do they wanted israeli citizenship?<-this is the question, not what Israel gave them but what they wanted.

>Again, assimilation. It happened all over the Middle East. You don't seriously believe that an army from a barren desert could repopulate everywhere from Morocco to the Euphrates, where millions of people have lived since antiquity.

they didn't have to repopulate they absorbed the population...and from those millions now there barely a few tribes...and god prevent any of those tribes start renaming things or moving to important areas right?

>Not so sure, particularly once Israel became a US client state. Ethnic cleansing in broad daylight is not something modern Americans can stomach. In any case, it is not possible today, with 2,5 million people living in the West Bank. Israelis have to come to terms with the fact that Palestinians are not moving to Jordan.

then Israel could have expelled them up to 1974? still dont explain why no in 1949-1954...israel came to term with that since the 80s now is only the scary PR that people like to use to fabricate support...

>Israel expelled 80% of the native population. No, it couldn't have expelled that many more. It only goes up to 100%.

how many jews are left in the arab countries?

>That's exactly the mirage I'm talking about. In the meantime, it is Israel the one that control's Palestinians' borders, airspace, natural resources, and the ones that can raid any Arab town they please from the River to the Sea. Some "authority".

what is this love for the airspace, do they have wings?...if Israel try to raid any arab village the PA can send his security forces and start the shooting...they have that authority and they used during the second intifada military operations, besides that they determine the laws, the courts, the foreign and internal policies and the security forces...the authority of an interim government which is to be the government of the country once the occupation ends.

>Israel controls 60% of the West Bank, and it is only entrenching its presence there, not preparing its withdrawal. As the people interviewed in this article explains, it is unlikely Israel will ever give up control of these areas, at least willingly. It's not a question of how many Jews can live in Palestine. None of these Jews have any intention of ever living in a Palestinian state. They don't even fathom the possibility that such a state will ever be established anywhere, much less over their homes. They are there to "redeem Jewish land", not to be ruled by Arabs.

and that is not their decision, they'll endure it...and probably pretend that they are they like the jews in ancient times in the ghettos...they are not going to abandon hebron nor much of the judean desert.

>Israel is not some obscure Third World backwater. You should have realized by now that it attracts a disproportionate amount of attention and concern from around the world. Double standards? Perhaps, but that's how it is. Only US protection is keeping it from going down the South African road right now.


from what...is cuba going to send his soldiers to fight for them as it did in the 80s and "? it seems you are going with the superficial vision of south africa.

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