Reddit mentions of The Coming of the Third Reich (The History of the Third Reich Book 1)

>As an abstract principle, civil discourse is regarded as a virtue. However, one should neither mistake a façade of respectability for civility nor be prepared to sacrifice core democratic principles to achieve civility.
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>That point was driven home by Richard Evans in The Coming of the Third Reich when he explained how the Nazi Party, which lost the 1932 election, was able to seize and consolidate unchallenged power in 1933.
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>"It is in the nature of democratic institutions," Evans noted, "that they presuppose at least a minimal willingness to abide by the rules of democratic principles." But it is extremely dangerous, either in the name of "civility" or "bipartisanship," to yield to those who seek nothing less than the destruction of democracy—a point Evans drove home by quoting Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels's harsh reference to the "stupidity" of democracy. Goebbels proclaimed: "It will always remain one of democracy’s best jokes that it provided its mortal enemies with the means by which it was destroyed."

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Civility that goes perpetually unreciprocated starts to look like complacency and fear.

Oh boy - here we go - another apologist.

Challenge accepted - lets see what the historians say.

> The Nazis were left-wingers, you ignorant prat.

Strasserism was left-wing. The SA were originally raised from the workers class. Both were purged from the Nazi parties by the time it rose from obscurity to power.

According the Holocaust Encyclopedia

>In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany.

German Socialists and communists were purged in the Nazi concentration camps. Fascists were not - that fact alone should demonstrate to you that the Nazis weren't left-wingers

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> As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum;

Hitler: A Biography - Ian Kershaw

>[Hitler] was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state.

One of the cofounders, Otter Strasser, was socialist-minded - but he was booted out before the Nazis came to power. His Brother was later liquidated after Hitler became the Fuhrer.

>Unfortunately for him, he had taken seriously not only the word “socialist” but the word “workers” in the party’s official name of National Socialist German Workers’ Party. He had supported certain strikes of the socialist trade unions and demanded that the party come out for nationalization of industry. This of course was heresy to Hitler, who accused Otto Strasser of professing the cardinal sins of “democracy and liberalism.” On May 21 and 22, 1930, the Fuehrer had a showdown with his rebellious subordinate and demanded complete submission. When Otto refused, he was booted out of the party.

The Coming of the Third Reich - Richard J. Evans

>In the climate of postwar counter-revolution, national brooding on the “stab-in-the-back,” and obsession with war profiteers and merchants of the rapidly mushrooming hyperinflation, Hitler concentrated especially on rabble-rousing attacks on “Jewish” merchants who were supposedly pushing up the price of goods: they should all, he said, to shouts of approval from his audiences, be strung up. Perhaps to emphasize this anti-capitalist focus, and to align itself with similar groups in Austria and Czechoslovakia, the party changed its name in February 1920 to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party…. Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, anti-Semitism was once declared to be “the socialism of fools.” But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the “November traitors” who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats.

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>The “National Socialists” wanted to unite the two political camps of left and right into which, they argued, the Jews had manipulated the German nation. The basis for this was to be the idea of race. This was light years removed from the class-based ideology of socialism. Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism, borrowing much of its rhetoric in the process, from its self-image as a movement rather than a party, to its much-vaunted contempt for bourgeois convention and conservative timidity.


Now - lets check with an actual historical expert in National Socialism - Joachim Fest

>This ideology took a leftist label chiefly for tactical reasons. It demanded, within the party and within the state, a powerful system of rule that would exercise unchallenged leadership over the “great mass of the anonymous.” And whatever premises the party may have started with, by 1930 Hitler’s party was “socialist” only to take advantage of the emotional value of the word, and a “workers’ party” in order to lure the most energetic social force. As with Hitler’s protestations of belief in tradition, in conservative values, or in Christianity, the socialist slogans were merely movable ideological props to serve as camouflage and confuse the enemy.


>In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers. In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of “Take everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.”

>Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.

No reason to go through life this ignorant, bro. You're only hurting yourself in the end.

Start here

The Coming of the Third Reich (The History of the Third Reich) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0023SDQGW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_YkiJBb4QNF142

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Off the top of my mind, specific books they've mentioned that I've enjoyed:
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-Hitch 22 by Christopher Hitchens

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-Open Letters by Vaclav Havel

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-The Battle for Spain: The Spanish Civil War 1926-1939 by Antony Beevor

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-So You've Been Publically Shamed by Jon Ronson

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-Say Nothing by Patrick Radden Keefe



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I'll try to remember more and add to it as I can recall them.

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-Ghost Wars by Steve Coll

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-Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS by Joby Warrick

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-Both Ian Kershaw and Richard Evans' accounts of HItler, Germany, and the Third Reich in WWII

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-Moynihan did a long interview in Vice about Karl Ove Knausgaard, so I would imagine maybe he's a fan

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-Bad Blood by John Carryrou

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-The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie

Ok, thanks for pointing that out!


For the quotes and more on Hitler's personal views on religion (among many other things) there is:

• Hitler's Table Talk which was a a transcribed series of monologues and conversations Hitler had at his headquaters from 1941 to 1944.
  
  
• Hitler: A Study in Tyranny is a 1952 biography of the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. It was written by the British historian Sir Alan Bullock
  
  
• Inside the Third Reich is a memoir written by Albert Speer, the Nazi Minister of Armaments from 1942 to 1945. Due to his position, Speer was able to describe the personalities of many Nazi officials, including Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Göring, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess, Martin Bormann and, of course, Adolf Hitler himself.
  
  
• Goebbels Diaries, Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister in Adolf Hitler's government from 1933 to 1945, kept a diary from 1923 until shortly before his death by suicide in Berlin on 1 May 1945.
  
  
  More information about the Foundation of Positive Christianity in Nazi Ideology and its implementation in the Third Reich can be found in:
  
  
• The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer, published in 1960. The author was a reporter working for CBS who reported from within Nazi Germany until 1940. After the war he took his notes and documents from the German Foreign Office, captured by the First Army, as well as diaries, phone transcriptions, and other written records to write this work.
  
  
• The trilogy on the Third Reich: The Coming of the Third Reich, The Third Reich in Power, The Third Reich at War by Richard J. Evans, published in 2005, 2006 and 2009, respectively.

>My point is the Holocaust wasn't the Holocaust then. Kristallnacht was a pogrom. Terrible, but dismissable by the uncaring people who don't want to give others a handout.

I was about to say that you are seemingly ignorant of history (especially given the comparisons you make) but truth is, you're just straight up talking out of your rectum. Pick up a copy of The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans. Read it, and I mean actually READ IT. And if you manage through that, pick up the next installment, The Third Reich in Power. Then we might be able to have an exchange that wouldn't be an utter waste of my time. In the meantime, save the bowel movements for the toilet and don't talk about the Holocaust.