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Found 2 comments on Village Life In Ancient Egypt: Laundry Lists and Love Songs:

u/GorgeousTurtle ยท 5 pointsr/AskHistorians

You may want to check out this - a biography, and this - which may be more up your alley - it's information from a middle-class village of folks (mix of Egyptians, Nubians, and Asiatics) that built tombs in the Valley of the Kings that we have an unusual amount of recovered text from. The book's time period covers a couple hundred years, but those years cover Ramses II's reign.

As for the man himself, he's often cited as one of the greatest pharaohs of all time in terms of Egypt's prosperity. He lived to be a pretty ridiculous ~90 years old, and outlived not only 12 of his heirs but pretty much an entire generation of his empire. The New Kingdom (also called the Egyptian Empire) reached the height of its power under Ramses II and his immediate predecessors.

Militarily, Ramses II was active, especially in his younger days. His most famous campaigns were against the Hittites. He had a large share of successes (but definitely wasn't perfect - he was caught in military history's first recorded ambush, for example). He was able to capture some chunks of Syria, but eventually determined that endless war with the Hittites was counterproductive and signed history's first recorded formal peace treaty. Being a ladies' man, he even married some Hittite princesses. There's a letter to the Hittites surviving where the impatient Ramses II is wondering what's taking his new bride so long. Apparently, the Hittite emperor and Ramses II even decided to hang out (despite the Hittite emperor kind of being a bit hard to get out of his house - "tell me what exactly we would do!") - but unfortunately we don't know much about the specifics of their man-date. He seems to have been pretty capable in war, although no doubt his own propaganda colors the campaign stories a bit.

He was about as full of himself as you'd think most pharaohs would be - Egypt is littered with temples dedicated to his greatness, and the Hittites chafed once or twice that Ramses just couldn't help but talk as if they were subordinates. He even built a city named for himself - Pi-Ramses. But it seems he knew how to surround himself with capable people - being himself a guy without a whole ton of noble lineage, he valued capability more than bloodline. This is not to say the empire was free of corruption - there's records of a fairly giant embezzlement case where someone was stealing a whole ton of stuff from pharaonic storehouses during festivals. Alas, we have another cliffhanger in the papyrus, so we don't know if that one ended.

Because the empire thrived during his reign for the most part, the middle class of sorts seemed to thrive as well - many houses showed that people enjoyed things such as board games, or cosmetics, and (rather unfortunately) could afford slaves brought into the market from some of Ramses' campaigns. Art featuring farmers often showed hefty harvests. There are many records of Ramses II lavishing extremely flowery praise upon his workmen and bestowing them with bountiful rewards.

There was also something of a white-collar class; many young men went to school to write, often copying from Middle-Kingdom classics to begin with before moving on to learn more current writing. There's even an indication that the classic white-collar snobbery was present here; priests and teachers would often spin melodramatic tales of the woes of soldiers and farmers to encourage their students to stay in their studies. One letter from a teacher scolds a student for partying too hard and focus more on his studies rather than beer; the more things change, I suppose. As for Ramses II himself, although he was something of a macho military man, his most famous son by far was the more bookish and scholarly type - Khaemweset, sometimes called the first Egyptologist, who went around restoring old Egyptian monuments and buildings - remember, the Great Pyramid to these folks wouldve been built more than a millenium ago.

In terms of law, as stated above, people had access to courts to right wrongs, and could do things like petition a vizier for a trial. The embezzlement above is a criminal case, but there's records of average folks petitioning for a lands' rights issue or people even suing each other if one felt ripped off by the other. In Deir el-Medina, mentioned earlier, people definitely had work to keep them busy and were well-supplied. They seemed to have some rudimentary labor rights, such as sick days. There are tons of cute little letters (a workman bugging his mom to send him more food, a timesheet indicating that someone has to miss work for a possible hangover) to read from here.

All of this (generally) meant a positively-viewed reign, because it's somewhat rare we find something other than generic praise for a pharaoh unless things are going really shitty for people. People generally focused on their immediate sphere of life, especially in a time so ancient, so a pharaoh was really distant for them. They interacted with local officials much more.

This is not to say that he's a rosy guy and all was peaches - an empire is still an empire and that means someone is getting exploited - see slave above. Ramses II had a rather callous attitude (which I suppose is not super uncommon for the time) when it came to foreign slave labor, and slaves were among the rewards of war brought back during his campaigns. He himself leaned more toward force than diplomacy to deal with unrest. The Empire's Nubian holdings were prone to some rebellion when they got sick of mining the pharaoh's gold day-in, day-out, and they'd often get forcefully crushed. Ramses II also was known to press-gang people into building his vanity projects, including the aforementioned Nubians and peasants during Nile flood season.

The two books above have so much more than what I say here, but I hope this provides some starting points as to your question.

u/diarmada ยท 2 pointsr/ancientegypt

Silverman's Coffee table monster Ancient Egypt is a great resource and may be what you are searching for...it's insanely cheap used on Amazon!

I know this is not what you are after, but Mcdowell's "Village Life in Ancient Egypt: Laundry Lists and Love Songs is a wonderful resource for learning about the daily life of some of the Egyptian builders and workers (it's about the village of Deir el-Medina, which housed the builders of the tombs of the kings and queens during the "New Kingdom" era.). This book helped me envision (along with "Red Land, Black Land") Egypt in ways that I had not before and provided me with a more human connection to the region than I had previously.