(Part 2) Best products from r/Welding
We found 56 comments on r/Welding discussing the most recommended products. We ran sentiment analysis on each of these comments to determine how redditors feel about different products. We found 459 products and ranked them based on the amount of positive reactions they received. Here are the products ranked 21-40. You can also go back to the previous section.
21. Headgear, for Helmet Headgear
- For use with: Helmet headgear
- Standards: ANSI/CSA
- Weight: 0.35 pounds
Features:
22. 8 Ga. Ring Terminals, 1/4" Stud - (Pack of 25)
- UL Listed, CSA Certified
- Non-Insulated, Tin Plated Copper
- 347° F Max Temperature
Features:
23. Hobart 500559 Handler 140 MIG Welder 115V
- 5-position voltage control selector adds a smooth, stable arc at all welding thicknesses
- Welds 24 gauge up to 1/4 in mild steel; Weldable Materials: Steel, Stainless Steel and Aluminum
- Welding Processes: MIG(GMAW), Flux Cored(FCAW)
- Operates off 115V standard household current; Wire Feed Speed Range 40-700 IPM, 50-740 IPM at no load
- Welding Amperage Range: 25-140 A; 20% duty cycle @ 90 Amps, 19V
- What's Included: 10ft HR-100 MIG gun, 10ft work cable with clamp, Power Cord, Dual-gauge regulator with gas hose, .030 in. contact tips, Quick Select drive roll, Sample spool of flux-cored wire and Material thickness gauge
Features:
24. Strong Hand Tools, Heavy Duty, Adjust-O Magnet Square, On/Off Switches, Pull Force: 65 lbs, 4-3/8" x 3-3/4" x 1-1/8", MSA46-HD
- The fast & easy way to hold metal work pieces at 45 Degree & 90 Degree.
- Turn the magnet off when setting up, turn on when you're ready to work. Fast and safe set-up!
- Ideal for round and square tubing, angle, and flat stock.
- Easy to clean. Simply turn off and wipe.
- Max. Pull Force: 90 LBS (40 kg)
- Dimension: 4-3/8 x 3-3/4 x 1-1/8″ (111 x 95 x 29 mm)
Features:
25. Lisle 34400 Exhaust Pipe Stretcher
- Stretches All Pipe Including Stainless Steel.
- Use with an impact wrench to quickly stretch pipes.
- Two collet sets fit pipes from 1 5/8" to 2 7/16".
- Can be used on the car.
- The pipe stretcher is a convenient, inexpensive alternative to hydraulic pipe expanders.
Features:
26. 3M(TM) Half Facepiece Respirator Assembly 6291/07002(AAD), Medium, with 3M(TM) Particulate Filters 2091/07000(AAD), P100
- Assembly includes Half Facepiece Respirator and Particulate Filter 2091 P100
- Half facepiece design combines comfort and convenience
- Remarkably comfortable, soft, lightweight facepiece and easy-to-adjust head straps
- Removable filters can be replaced with NIOSH approved 3M filters and cartridges
- NIOSH approved for environments containing certain oil and non-oil based particles
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27. Jackson Safety Replacement 370 Headgear for Various Jackson Safety Welding Helmets, Adjustable, Black/Grey, 20696
Compatible: The Premium 370 Replacement Headgear with adjustable ratchet suspension is compatible with a wide variety of Jackson Safety top welding helmets including: Halo X, HSL, Nitro, WH40, SmarTIGer and WH70 series (sold separately)Design: Designed for maximum comfort, the headgear is built with...
28. Harris Ironworker 510 DLX Oxygen Acetylene Torch Kit 4400366
- Cutting Attachments feature solid forged heads that resist damage from abuse and flashbacks. Solid Brass cutting lever flips forward for fast convenient and positive connecting to handle even when wearing gloves.
- Model 85 Torch Handles feature silver-brazed, twin-tube construction for safety and durability and easily replaceable Flashguard checkvalves.
- Regulators are equipped with an encapsulated Teflon seat for safety and extended service life and have a 7-year warranty.
- Two-piece Cutting Tip is easy to clean and produces higher preheats and is manufactured with a copper shell to withstand higher heat with less damage to the tip.
Features:
29. Auto Darkening Welding Helmet Inner Protective Lens Replacement 10-PACK, Clear Internal Lens Cover for Solar Auto Darkening Welding Filter 3/11, 4 X 2"
- Fit for standard 3/11 welding helmet lens filter shade
- Auto darkening welding helmet protective lens replacement cover lens
- Make sure you tear off plastic cover on surface on both sides before you install it on the helmet.
- Size: 4 ×2 inch (10.9 × 5 cm).
- Pacage content: 10 pack of internal lens cover
Features:
30. Welding Helmet, Shade 3 and 8-12, Black
Price For: Each Headgear: Ratchet Material: Nylon Features: 1/10, 000 sec. Lens Speed, Sensitivity and Delay Control 0.10 to 1.0 sec., TIG Rating 20A, Auto-On/Auto-Off Power Control Includes: (2) AAA Batteries, Magnifying Lens Holder, (5) Outside and (2) Inside Cover Lenses Grind Mode: No Color: Bla...
31. IRWIN VISE-GRIP Original Chain Clamp, Locking, 9-Inch (27ZR)
- Chain holds and locks around any shape or size
- Ideal for awkward pieces
- Turn screw adjusts pressure to fit work and stays adjusted for repetitive use
- Constructed of high-grade heat-treated alloy steel for durability
- Classic trigger release designed to provide maximum locking force
Features:
32. ARC WELDER ARC120 DC Stick 220V MMA Inverter Welding Machine Mini Portable Style 2.5mm Rod Stick Welder with Accessaries Earth Clamp Electrode
Easytaking mini portable welder, net weight only 2.85kg/6.3lbWelding 7018 1/8″ very well, also 6013 and 7018 3/32″Welding range of 10-120A with 60% duty cycle, easy to start arc, little spatter.Customer say He use Hitbox ARC200 for 1/2 hour non-stop at 150 amp.Including earth clamp electrode hol...
33. Jackson Safety SmarTIGer Variable Auto Darkening (ADF) Welding Helmet with Balder Technology (37188), W40, Black
- The Jackson Safety ADF has a variable shade range from 9 to 13 to shield and protect the wearer's eyes from radiant energy during welding (mig welding, tig welding, arc welding)
- It's equipped with sensitivity and delay settings for adaptability for different environments and task durations; Enjoy enhanced visibility and color recognition.
- The lightweight, high-density plastic shell protects the wearer's face, forehead, neck, and ears from weld sparks and spatters; the aerodynamic curved front cover plate offers better reduced heat built-up, reflections and fogging than HSL-100
- Meets ANSI/ISEA Z87.1+2010 standard for high mass impact protection and welding use, and DIN requirements for production quality
- Comes with three headgear adjustments for the configurability to suit a variety of tasks; compatible with magnification filters and hard hats (sold separately)
Features:
34. Milwaukee 6232-21 Deep Cut Band Saw W/Case (5619-20)
The product is 11A Port Band SawEasy to useThe product is manufactured in China
35. ArcOne S240-10 Horizontal Single Auto-Darkening Filter for Welding, 2 x 4", Shade 10
- Two independent sensors, High Definition clear view technology
- 5.25 square inches of active viewing area
- Switching speed of 0.5 milliseconds
- Water and dust resistant
- Dark to light state delay of 0.2 seconds
Features:
37. Procedure Handbook of Arc Welding
Includes Aliand Welding Classroom Resources DVDInldudes Lincoln Electric Welding Safety DVDIncludes Lincoln Electric Welding Booklet
38. DEKOPRO 110/220V MMA Welder,160A ARC Welder Machine IGBT Digital Display LCD Hot Start Welder with Electrode Holder,Work Clamp, Input Power Adapter Cable and Brush
★Advanced IGBT Inverter Technology:Powerful welder capable of welding mild steel, weld steel, stainless steel and cast iron. IGBT power device with unique control mode improves the reliability of welding machine★Portable Design:This welder features a easy carrying handle,compact design, easy for...
39. SHZOND 12 Inch Utility Blower 2295 CFM Portable Ventilator High Velocity Utility Blower with 5M Duct Hose
- Diameter of the fan 12 inch; Power: 0.7HP
- Speed (RPM): 3300r/min Air flow: 65m3/ min 2295CFM
- With an extra industrial extractor with 5m long pvc flexible duct
- Portable ventilator with strong carry handle and rubber feet, convenient to use and storage
- The blower fan is widely applicable in factories, basements, shipyards, farms, grain storage, chemical, Pharmaceutical, tobacco, tunnel, automobile manufacturing and so on
Features:
40. 2019 EVERLAST PowerARC 160STH 160amp HF TIG Stick IGBT Welder 110/220 Dual Voltage
- Lightweight and portable - 35% at 160amp -- With HOT START
- IGBT Infineon Modules , inverter technology
- 160a HF TIG DC and STICK with build in valve
- 5 Year (Parts and Labor) and 30 days money back
- DUAL VOLTAGE 110v/220v
Features:
if you just want to get in hours and add welding to your garage I would totally recommend a dual voltage HF start tig welder. buy off amazon and get a 3 year protection plan with good reviews and don't sweat the haters. my Buddy has had a great experience with this one. you will need a bottle and a foot pedal.
https://www.amazon.com/EVERLAST-PowerARC-160STH-160amp-Voltage/dp/B00H2VETB6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1538001782&sr=8-3&keywords=tig+welder+everlast
then there is this one, no idea on quality, id buy one for fun and see how it goes. just get a warranty. if it only lasts three years it cost you like 30 cents a day.
https://www.amazon.com/Torch-Inverter-Welder-Voltage-Welding/dp/B06XD7TCGN/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1538002117&sr=8-5&keywords=dual+voltage+tig+welder
Nah, those suck. You've gotta get yourself a Strong Hand Tools Adjust-O Magnet. They're pricey, but they're leagues better than the plain red ones. Being able to "turn off" the magnet makes it way easier to line up the part and you can easily clean off the metal shavings. I've had one for over a year now and I use it almost everyday. I highly recommend them.
Awesome. Thanks so much for the reply.
Is something like this what I would be looking for?
Given the amperage draw of 130, how can a regular household outlet supply it? And I can't imagine running extension cords is safe, right?
Thank you again for your response.
I don't know if it's a direct fit, but best comfort Is the Miller headgear. I modified my helmet to fit it, and it sits on my head so nicely.
https://www.amazon.com/Miller-Electric-256174-Headgear-Helmet/dp/B00826AM7A
It's made by Honeywell, but you'll see them advertised as "Fibre-Metal Pipeliner". Not sure if Fibre-Metal is what they call the material (Which seems to be some sort of fiberglass variant), or if it's a subsidiary brand of Honeywell. THIS is the right one, and the exact one I have.
But as a word of warning, I hate the stock headgear. Some people seem to love it, but I couldn't get used to it. It's basically a rubber band on a clip, and I broke mine the first day I had it. I switched it out with THIS Jackson headgear. You'll have to drill out the square hole that the existing headgear uses, and then drill a few smaller holes where the adjustment tab clicks in. I had an easy time since the hood I use for TIG is a Jackson hood that uses that same headgear so I was able to make a template. If you're interested I could try to figure out what size the holes need to be and send you a picture of the layout tomorrow.
Also, if you want a flip-lens, Sellstrom sells a flip lens mod, but it does require significant cutting. I bought one a while back, but haven't had the guts to install it yet (Plus I'm worried about the extra weight.). Very handy if you're switching between welding and grinding a lot, or if you want to save your neck and avoid doing the nod every time you strike an arc.
Outlaw Leather also sells pre-modified Pipeliners. They're a little bit too out there for me, but I've seen a couple around the shop and they definitely get a lot of looks.
I weld with this http://www.amazon.com/Jackson-Safety-SmarTIGer-Auto-Darkening-Technology/dp/B00BFJLRD4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1396466077&sr=8-2&keywords=smartiger+welding+helmet
It works really well and it is about as heavy as a HF helmet(so not super light) but is really comfortable and is pretty cheap right now!(i got mine for 100 also, i think they are clearing out last years models)
Here's an album of my build. Here's an album of some improvements I made. As for the DCEN conversion, here's a comment I made elsehwere with links to the parts I used.
PARTS
33,000 uF, 63 V DC.
Although the sellers shows a pair, they're only shipped one each, so you'll have to order 2. A single, larger capacitor is a better way to go because it's simpler, but more expensive. If you're going the single capacitor route, look for one that's something like 60,000 uF and >50VDC. These capacitors are BIG.
100A 1200V
There are a few choices for rectifiers. There are larger ones, that will do 150A, 1600V. That's an even better option, but I went with this one since it was half the price. There's also a 3 phase one you can use. In that case, one of the three input terminals is left empty. With that one, you'll have to make your own heat sink, or place it in the welder in a way that air can reach it. If you're welder is like mine, you could put it next to the transformer, but you'll have to play around and see what works for you. Since i had the terminals passing through holes in the side, I slid heat shrink over them just in case.
8 AWG minimum. You could use 6 AWG, which is larger. The wire is incredibly stiff, so keep that in mind in terms of component placement.
I used these 8AWG terminals. Since the transformer wires are a bit thick, you'll have to trim out some copper, but that's not an issue because the distance is so short.
Get that at Home Depot or something. 3/8" would be the minimum diameter you want.
You'll need hardware to hold it all together. I hate Phillips screws, so I used hex cap screws with lock washers and regular nuts.
RESOURCES:
Matt Heere's video series. It's 8 parts. The link i copied is for part 1. Just follow what he did and it works.
Two photos from mine you can see the capacitors and wiring. I added some more heat shrink just in case.
Mine
If you have any other questions, please feel free to PM me.
Get a fliphood hood with an auto darkening lens. This is what I use everyday and I would never go back to the other hoods. When I need to grind flip up and full face protection. When I weld flip down and auto darkening
(1). Fibre-Metal by Honeywell Classic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007NL1S5K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_.AhRDbG4Y6KVY
(2). ArcOne T240-10 Tradesman https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003WE9XXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_UzhRDbB3SG6EQ
Just make sure to use 3 protective lense
(3). Protective lense. " https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QC67KR8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_yEhRDb8CTXD1B
One for the front when it’s down. And when it’s up, One on the hood to protect your face. And the last one again when it’s up to protect the backside of the auto darkening lense.
Also the auto darkening lense and the protective cover are called 2x4. And 2x4 lense should fit In the hood.
You do not need pants. I just use jeans, and the the apron over a jacket. Here is what I use:
Get one of these for sure.
http://www.amazon.com/3M-Face-piece-Reusable-Respirator-Assembly/dp/B000FTEDMM/ref=pd_bxgy_hi_img_y
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00328IAO0/ref=oh_details_o03_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Gloves - I bought a few pairs. You will use them up at first, till you learn what not to hold on to :) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MRQAJG/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Jacket has some options. Sleeves and an apron:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002AKIRIA/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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http://www.amazon.com/Welding-Sleeves-Leather-Elastic-Resistant/dp/B002GI9A3C/ref=pd_sim_hi_48
or a plain jacket, but look around. This price on amazon seems high. You might be able to find something like this locally for less.
http://www.amazon.com/Hobart-770488-Leather-Welding-Jacket/dp/B002VECL3W/ref=pd_sim_hi_42
And I use this :http://www.amazon.com/Miller-Genuine-Leather-Indura-Welding/dp/B003IL2RCM/ref=sr_1_10?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1382001569&sr=1-10&keywords=miller+jacket
Does he have his own helmet? The miller classic series that has auto darkening is under 100 and it's what I'm using in class right now.
miller classic series auto darkening #251-292
https://www.amazon.com/Welding-Helmet-Shade-8-12-Black/dp/B005J4P2SM
There might be better ones but for 80 bucks if he don't have one it's a great starter.
Sounds like BS the welds will outlast the pipes. Flux core is a bit harder to weld that thin stuff than gas shielded, but use slip joints if you can and you will have much less chance of blowing through. This tool is the bomb for stretching tube just enough to allow the pipes to slip over each other https://www.amazon.com/Lisle-34400-Exhaust-Pipe-Stretcher/dp/B0002STSPS
I had fume extraction at my welding school and it still didn't do the job, although stick is even worse than MIG. Nowadays I'd never weld without a respirator.
a set of torches is around $200 to $300 and where i am you have to rent the bigger tanks and i dont know what small tanks cost. go to a welding store and rent a K cylinder of oxygen, buy a set of harris torches and get a propane tip then hook the fuel regulator to your BBQ tank if you have one at home and you are in business. here are cheap regulators, dont buy used ones. https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HARRIS-Model-601-Regulator-Set-Oxygen-Acetylene-Cutting-Welding-Torch/163627986056?hash=item2618fcec88:g:8DIAAOSw3XZcokQO
you can buy some cheap chinese sets, they are probably fine. look on ebay. if you want to just cut and save money then use propane, acetylene is a rip off. here is a good set. https://www.amazon.com/Harris-Ironworker-Oxygen-Acetylene-4400366/dp/B01DN2OWIW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=harris+torch+set&qid=1572326696&sr=8-2
Thanks for the quick replies. I've been reading as much as I can, but I really wanted to hear from people with actual experience. As long as I have your attention, would this be a good unit:
http://www.amazon.com/Hobart-500559-Handler/dp/B009X43F38/
I'm not buying anything before I take a class, but this is in my price range and has excellent reviews.
I actually use an Sellstrom Pipeliner sith an ArcOne HD 240 Lens. I prefer that combo to any factory auto dark that I have used. And then you have a flip front auto dark for less than 200 bucks!
Hood is $57.55 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Sellstrom-S28301-Lightweight-Retainer-Seperately/dp/B005I4OR3O/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1550342455&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=sellstrom+welding+helmet&dpPl=1&dpID=41G1Mzat10L&ref=plSrch
Lens is $81.33 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/ArcOne-S240-10-Horizontal-Auto-Darkening-Welding/dp/B00206Y4B8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1550342517&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=arcone+singles+240+hd&dpPl=1&dpID=31eQwi4jRUL&ref=plSrch
Hope this helps! I have 3 of these setups now and I won't go back!
This one's been going strong for 2 years. I did have to drill an extra hole it two for the little pins that adjust the to make it work, but it's better than what the hood came with
Hi there. Could I get your opinion on the really cheap welders on Amazon (<$200)? This guy reviewed one and seemed impressed by what is could do at such a low price: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIK-M5ryHYY
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Edit: That one seems out of stock. Maybe someone could let me know what I can do with this series of welders? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HCGXB1O/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=AB1I4LWR4CPW0&psc=1
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I really just want to get some metal, merge some pieces, engrave pieces, and make some cuts.
That's the perfect usage for a plasma.
I got the plasma before the bandsaw and realized I mostly need bandsaw for my usage. Cutting tubes and angle iron and the like.
https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-6232-21-Deep-Band-5619-20/dp/B006YCWJBG/
Mmmm try these out...
They're super comfy!
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https://www.amazon.com/Miller-263344-Armor-Welding-X-Large/dp/B00HRH5GYY/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=welding+gloves+box&qid=1556665596&s=gateway&sr=8-7
I recommend the Lincoln Electric Procedure Manual of Arc Welding, note, I am also trained as a Mechanical Engineer, but do mainly highly specialized Industrial Engineering these days (System Safety and Explosive Safety) ...https://www.amazon.com/Procedure-Handbook-Welding-Lincoln-Foundation/dp/9990022968
I really want to get a 2x4 flip lens with a progressive of shades, not sure what gold has to do with it though. Then have a auto dark lens to put in when I'm feeling fancy or whatever
Edit: After snooping through some the comments helmet suggestions, I have quite liked your miller. Found this one
You can also use vice grips if you need to attach to something small. These would make an excellent ground on any pipe. Just attach your ground to the vice grips.
I know a guy who swears by this helmet he got on the cheap while attending trade school. And Lanse from Youtube (Chucke2009) likes the brand, too. He did a review on a more expensive one, but this one should be fine for a budget starter. I have a Miller one and a Radnor one, both $250+
Yeah it’s I higher end hood I also have a fiber metal pipeliner hood with a auto tint filter lenses Auto tint filter lenses that set up would be like $140 ish maybe lower that is a very rugged hood they last forever
https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Tools-MSA46-HD-4-375-Inch-3-75-Inch/dp/B000VH8040/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1503423344&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=strong+hand+magnet
You can thank me later.
/u/BrandonSmash posted exactly 3 minutes afterwards.
>https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Tools-MSA46-HD-4-375-Inch-3-75-Inch/dp/B000VH8040/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1503423344&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=strong+hand+magnet
>You can thank me later.
I'm guessing you'll want a TIG machine with High Frequency start.
Here's one for $488 on Amazon.
Click Me for their website.
[Here's a video of the machine in action.]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblpZF54_uM)
I'm no expert but, I'm fairly certain that's what you're looking for. Maybe someone else can chime in.
can’t go wrong with the pipeliner by fibre metal. I cut off the front and put a sellstrom flip front and an auto darkening lens in. The clear lenses should be supplied at just about every employer and they are cheap anyway.
hood
flip front adapter
auto lens
clear lenses
I also have a Lincoln viking 3350 and I absolutely recommend it but I prefer my custom pipeliner.
Edit: Also, you can keep the fixed shade in your bag just in case your auto lens malfunctions.
Extra space is the one thing I don't have! It does however give the idea of using some sort of mobile/temporary partition attached to my welding table that would make the fumes easier to contain and extract.
I don't do much grinding at all so I'm really only worried about the welding fumes. I'm going to try one of these which is the same concept I'm currently using with a squirrel cage fan but this should move a lot more air.
https://www.amazon.com/SHZOND-Utility-Portable-Ventilator-Velocity/dp/B076P2GWQX
Estwing chipping hammer: https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-BLUE-Welding-Chipping-Hammer/dp/B00047EZSC/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526009450&amp;sr=8-27&amp;keywords=welding+tools
Stronghand magnet: https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Tools-MSA46-HD-4-375-Inch-3-75-Inch/dp/B000VH8040/ref=sr_1_55?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1526009494&amp;sr=8-55&amp;keywords=welding+tools
I have this one.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00206Y4B8/ref=sr_ph_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1482617170&amp;sr=sr-1&amp;keywords=arcone+s240
This https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00826AM7A/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1499195233&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&amp;keywords=miller+headgear&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=41v%2BVoT0zAL&amp;ref=plSrch
Plugs into a regular outlet with 90 amps. Tig stick with footpedal
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00H2VETB6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1464282986&amp;sr=8-1&amp;pi=SX200_QL40&amp;keywords=everlast+160&amp;dpPl=1&amp;dpID=51X3Ug%2BOP4L&amp;ref=plSrch
"Jackson 370 headgear"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00826AM7A?pc_redir=1407399360&amp;robot_redir=1
This one
Just get one of these
How about THIS one?