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I could hug you for this post!! There is a quote this all reminds me of.
"In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people." --—Ruth Harrison, author of Animal Machines
It makes me cry sometimes how people can be so cruel and determined to keep doing what they are doing, even though they know it's wrong. I have a friend like that. He will bash on vegans, but he would never hurt an animal and likes holding them. He'll always try and make veganism seem fanatical and make jokes that are innapropriate. He says he's seen all the videos because he has an aunt that is vegan but he just is too lazy to change :( It's so frustrating to know some people for the life of them cannot realize how good they honestly have it when presented with a being that has nothing, with the animals confined in small cages and flung around the room.
I think part of it honestly is that people "know" but they don't really "know" They know meat if from an animal, but they don't really "know." and they kind of dont' want to know, because I have a feeling they know it would make them uncomfortable and people avoid things that bring about such feelings. I think it's too much for most people to take in. It's hard for people to acknowledge that they have been duped their whole lives, by the very people and companies they trusted, and that they were supporting a holocaust right under their nose. No one likes to think of that, and that's why people will defend the industry to the death, they will degrade animals so they don't feel as bad, they will bash vegetarians in hopes their social pressure will get them to come back to eating meat so everyone around can stop feeling uncomfortable, for they are indeed the prick in the back of their mind reminding them of what they don't want to acknowlege. If most people were so quick to dismantle injustice, the nazi holocaust wouldn't have gone on as long as it did. People believed the fake media campagins of the "happy jew camps" and they would have rather not thought more into it. It is not all too different to what happens to today.
As another saying goes..."it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled."
A book you might like is "Why We love dogs, eat pigs, and wear cows." Very much talks about the psychology of all this.
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Dogs-Pigs-Wear-Cows/dp/1573245054/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371865399&sr=8-1&keywords=why+we+love+dogs+eat
Have you read that book "Where the Downvotes Come From"? It's an amazing book.
There's a passage that explains that some downvotes come about because of the discomfort of people when they hear the truth about a subject that secretly bothers them, but they have no courage to admit it. Or, sometimes, because it is the mainstream way of thinking.
Some get aggressive; some joke (see below); some downvote.
Very entertaining, really.
Of course, there's this other book people should REALLY read, that's called "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows".
Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism https://www.amazon.com/dp/1573245054/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_gmCADb5BMCRKD
Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism
Also, bot in the comments posted a link to here. Prepare of weird conversations.
Additionally--if you want something more to think about--I encourage you to watch Dr. Melanie Joy's relatively short TED Talk
which is based on her book Why We Love Dogs,
Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. It opened my eyes a ton.
edit: capitalization
I see things in almost the same way as you do. Cheers, it's good to know that there is someone else who thinks and feels in the same way as I do.
#1 God - You may find Pascal's Wager food for thought.
#2 Soulmate - There is absolutely no such thing or person to any other. The universe is indifferent to you and to what you make of it. Every person is simply the result of an egg cell fusing with a sperm cell, end of story. Every living thing is simply the manifestation of a successful reproductive cycle. All the tamasha around it is because humans want so badly to give meaning to meaninglessness. Stanley Kubrick puts this very nicely into words. Also - pick up "The Manipulated Man" by Esther Vilar from your bookstore - I'm sure you will enjoy every moment of reading it.
#3 Needing to get married - hmm, what's the need? Marriage is a construct of the human mind that makes it socially acceptable that one person may fuck only one other (polyandry/polygamy out of scope of discussion at the moment, even though it is the same principle but with larger numbers), and it exists primarily to stop everyone from fucking everyone/everything else - that is the core reason, all else is mental masturbation. For all the folks who glorify marriage as an "institution", the layers and layers of customs and beliefs and laws are built around this singular core. Life as we know it has been around for millions of years without the need of this "institution" for all except a fleeting moment of geological time in which human society evolved.
Some more fuel for your brain :)
#4 Laws around marriage: Immoral != Illegal. For all the holier-than-thou "civilized" people holding humanity, human intelligence and human morality to a higher ground, this FUBAR'd society that we must tolerate everyday is a direct outcome of all that "humanity, intelligence and morality."
The fun part: your kids get to revel in it and screw it up further and tighter for everyone else as much as themselves. Enjoy the products of your thoughts and actions - and don't whine about it since this is just what humans wanted, right? /s
#5 All forms of life are valuable, even if only to themselves and at their own scales, men/women included. We humans cannot judge the value of other life forms and decide that a chicken's is less valuable than a cow's, or that a fish's is less valuable than a plant's, or a woman's over a man's. One form of life must kill another if it wants to survive - जीवो जीवस्य जीवनम् | There is an interesting book by Melanie Joy that explores this thought further (albeit from a western perspective.)
One observation about (corporate) jobs today: In colonial times, it was necessary to physically control the people of a colony in order to control its production and profits. In today's times of economic colonialism, being physically present to lord over your subjects is no longer a necessity to drive exactly the same outcome - though both forms are equally coercive and equally dehumanizing.
Username relevant.
It's true! She really made me feel positive and hopeful about advocacy. This talk gives you a bunch of simple tools that you can use to start making a big difference.
You can probably write to her through her website here. Or on her facebook page here. She seems super approachable and I'll bet she'd love to hear from you. She seems to be on a lecture tour...maybe she's coming to a city near you.
She has also written a book Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism.
And if you search for Melanie Joy on youtube, you can watch a few more of her presentations and interviews.
Don't delete this is the heart of the matter! read this
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Dogs-Pigs-Wear-Cows/dp/1573245054
I don't know the actual numbers, but I imagine at least half of the people that go vegan did so originally for health reasons. But I do know that they're the demographic that goes back to eating meat most often. Ordering a double cheese pizza with stuffed crust and extra pepperoni is a hell of a lot easier when your only reasons for being vegan are selfish. It's easier to justify that one pizza isn't going to kill you, because it isn't. In the eyes of someone who isn't an ethical vegan, that pizza isn't causing harm to anyone but themself. The animals that died for the toppings literally aren't a factor whatsoever, so there's no reason to feel guilt other than you might gain 1/4'th a pound.
When you're vegan because you recognize that eating meat inherently causes suffering to animals, however, it's much harder to justifying ordering that pizza because you know that:
I don't see anything wrong with you not seeing the point in the ethical side of veganism. Virtually all vegans, unless they were raised on an island out in the Pacific in an all vegan community, grew up not even factoring in animals in their daily lives whatsoever. Even after watching a documentary like Earthlings or Farm to Fridge, a lot of people still don't make the connection that eating animals is inherently unethical, and I really can't blame them for that. When you're raised in a community since birth where literally nobody sees an ethical issue in eating animals, it would only make sense for you to adopt those views as well. It takes a hell of a lot of open mindedness to even consider that eating meat is wrong for any reason, including health reasons, just because of how common meat eating is, even for athletes, environmentalists, and animal lovers.
Anyways, thanks for even considering going vegan. Know that you don't need to be an overly emotional animal lover, a tree huger, or even an activist to be an ethical vegan. All it takes is recognizing that eating and exploiting animals inherently causes them suffering, and the desire to minimize causing that suffering where you reasonably can. Melanie Joy's TED talk on animal rights is great, relatively short, and very informative. It goes into why many people have no issue whatsoever eating animals, and how we go back to not having ethical issues with eating animals even after watching slaughterhouse videos. It's essentially a condensed version of her book "Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows", but nonetheless I can't recommend her book enough.
Here's another great speech, by an activist named Gary Yourofsky. He's more blunt and to the point, but that's exactly what I like. He's the reason me and my mom went vegan; we haven't touched any animal products since June. He's controversial, I don't agree with all his views, but he's effective for a lot of people and has been accredited to turning 8% of Israel vegan
Lastly, if debates interest you, this one should satisfy that desire. It's longer than the other two videos, but I found it very interesting and at the very least, it's worth watching for Phillip Whollen's badass opener.
Hi, /u/DeceptiveSpell --
So happy to hear you're invested in learning about where your food comes from and it's far reaching impacts. Really awesome that you're open and aware to a different way of living :)
A few thoughts from me. (I've been Vegan for 1+ year, after being Vegetarian for 3+ years.)
Good luck! Happy to help if you have follow up questions - just PM me :)
I tried going vegetarian on-and-off for several years with limited success. It wasn't until I read Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows that it finally clicked and I've been vegetarian for three years now.
Carnists? Did you just read Melanie Joy's book, Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows? She's on tour in Europe right now.
Oh, it's a book, check it out here! It explores the way we think and why we feel as we feel towards animals and certain stuff as well. It talks about the system and... more things! :)
Hmm I've got a lot of book recommendations perhaps peruse them and see what speaks to you:
Eat Like You Care
Eating Animals
Slaughterhouse
Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows
World Peace Diet
An Unnatural Order
Comfortably Unaware
Food Choice and Sustainability
Animal Liberation
Eating Animals was a great expose of the meat industry but Foer isn't vegan, which irked me. He is more of an apologist, who advocates for welfarism. I'm more in the "total liberation" camp. Singer is good, but he argues that animal testing is necessary. (It's not)
I also recommend this one for understanding to the psychology of speciesism: Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows by Melanie Joy, PhD.
She has great TED Talks, too.
Welcome and congrats on your decision!
Here are my tips on getting started:
There is a great plant-based diet you might be interested in, it's called "The Starch Solution by Dr. McDougall":
https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/shopping/books/starch-solution/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_7rrkG3xYk
1.1) Learning new recipes
It takes a few weeks to learn new recipes and get to know new products.
Also, there is quite a bit of misinformation in the area of nutrition.
It will take a while until you see "through the fog". Just hang in there :)
http://www.chooseveg.com/switchnditch (get their free guide on the homepage!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmnPM6QzDTw
https://www.youtube.com/user/thevegancorner
https://www.youtube.com/user/hotforfoodblog
veg restaurants: http://www.happycow.net
1.2) Doing your research (health, ethics, environment)
No worries, 3 documentaries and books and you are fine :)
http://www.forksoverknives.com/the-film/
http://www.cowspiracy.com/
http://www.nationearth.com/earthlings-1/ (graphic)
Watch these with your husband, if possible, so that he is part of your journey and understands the basics.
http://www.amazon.com/Eating-Animals-Jonathan-Safran-Foer/dp/0316069884
https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/shopping/books/starch-solution/
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Dogs-Pigs-Wear-Cows/dp/1573245054/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1457183607&sr=1-1&keywords=why+we+love+dogs+eat+pigs+and+wear+cows
Also has a great TEDx talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VrZPBskpg
(I am not affiliated with amazon, btw)
2) Really, no need to worry about protein
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/vegan-sources-of-protein/
http://www.forksoverknives.com/slaying-protein-myth/
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/protein/
You can enter your meals into http://www.cronometer.com just to be safe.
And finally some basic help on getting started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2k4NHjAP84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htf5eCgyt5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o9uzH_vrXA
That will keep you busy for a month or two, but it will also get you over the hump :)
Let me know if you got any questions or need help.
Good luck!
Exactly. I recently picked up Eating Animals, and I'm frustrated that the main point of the book is to revert to small scale local-farm slaughter and reducitarianism. I'm worried the movie will be more of the same. Melanie Joy's book however is much more enlightening.
I hope they will include
http://www.amazon.com/Eating-Animals-Jonathan-Safran-Foer/dp/0316069884/ref=zg_bs_14454_1
and
http://www.amazon.com/Animal-Liberation-Definitive-Classic-Movement/dp/0061711306/ref=zg_bs_14454_9
or
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Dogs-Pigs-Wear-Cows/dp/1573245054/ref=zg_bs_14454_14
or
http://www.amazon.com/Terrorists-Freedom-Fighters-Reflections-Liberation/dp/159056054X but i guess not.
Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, but as you may imagine, the information below took some time to compile. Due to its long length, I've divided the information into two posts.
These are by no means all the reasons that exist, but I think it's a pretty good primer. The long and short of it, for me, is that there is no really good reason to consume animal products, and plenty of compelling reasons not to. Feel free to ask questions, provide counterpoints, whatever.
ETHICS
"Veganism is a way of living that seeks to exclude, as far as possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing and any other purpose."
Avoiding unnecessary harm is a value that many people share, and most would agree that if you can avoid causing or endorsing pain or suffering that it morally desirable to do so. At the same time, many people take the use of animals for food, clothing, entertainment and more for granted. However, these practices cause suffering on a large scale and are entirely unnecessary for most people most of the time.
The use of animal products causes suffering.
This suffering is largely avoidable and unnecessary.
Pleasure and convenience are not morally convincing reasons to make choices that endorse or inflict suffering on other beings
If you really want a good overview of the practices that go into producing animal products, give the documentary Earthlings a watch at your own risk.
That’s not heartless, it’s actually quite common. If you’re interested in the reasons why learning about that sort of thing frequently doesn’t influence people to make a change I’d suggest reading Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows a book by Dr. Melanie Joy on the social phycology of meat consumption.
The long and short of it is that your experience is typical of most people when we learn about these things. We’re initially shocked and disgusted, sometimes we even vow to never eat meat again, or we have a difficult time doing so for a while. Then those feelings fade and we fall right back into our old habits. This is a result of a phenomenon called normalization. Meat consumption is so normalized in our culture that we don’t question it. It’s easy to justify because everyone is doing it.
I think that things like the environment or health are easier for people to relate to because they’re less normalized. The environment hasn’t been a concern for very long relative to human society, where animal consumption and use has been a part of our culture since the very beginning. Similarly, the idea of living in a health conscious way is a relatively new idea.
We all know that slaughter is a necessary part of the meat production process, but while many people agree that the suffering is unnecessary, far fewer actively believe that animals shouldn’t be slaughtered at all and that it’s wrong to do so. This is the “radical” part of ethical veganism. But when it’s viewed in the context of environmental or health concerns I think it’s a bit easier for people to understand. I think that avoiding animal products for ethical reasons feels more counter to our culture of meat consumption and animal use than avoiding them for health or environmental reasons.
http://caroljadams.com/spom-the-book/ Coming from a background in science, I've read and enjoyed many of the environmental, ethical and nutrition based books on veganism, but this one on sexual politics really gave me a new perspective to chew on. Obligatory plug for How Not to Die, and also Melanie Joy's book on carnism.