Reddit mentions of Justice, Gender, and the Family

Check out Susan Moller Okin's Justice, Gender, and the Family for one of the most prominent feminist critiques of Rawls. Also, a quick Google search yielded this paper, which you may find interesting.

Finally, someone who knows what I'm taking about and I can converse with about this topic!

Usually I just get people who bash me for being a feminist or people who can't comprehend that patriarchy is oppressive.


>If I disagree with a woman's choice to wear a burka or veil, then I am engaging in an act of paternalism by telling her that from my perspective she is being oppressed and that there is something wrong with her for not seeing that.

Bingo, that's the crux of the problem. It is so difficult to parse out what is someone's choice and what is an environmental influence. There is also a difficulty with talking about an oppressive system without somehow maligning the folks who seemingly choose to be oppressed by it.

My view is a very radical and liberal one that most people would not find appealing. It's absolute egalitarianism in the sense that I would like to see society reach a point where there are no gender roles. It's an ideal that would take many years to achieve, but that's what I take to be a better society. Gender roles (no matter how they are set up) are inherently sexist, and I would like to see them go.

I mean, I could say I became an atheist out of free choice, but I can easily trace the events over several years that led me onto the path I am now.

Was I first coerced by my environment to be muslim and then coerced by a new environment to become an atheist.

I don't know how interested you are in reading academic feminism, but if you ever want more info on what I'm trying to say, try Justice, Gender, and Family by Susan Okin.

> Try reading the entire side bar including The Manipulated Man.

I have read that.

>Here, recommend me a book that describes your view, and I'll check it out too.

That's tough. I can recommend you a good primer on pre-2nd wave feminism, 2nd wave feminism, and critical theory. There's a long list of over 200 years of literature and articles that have gotten it to where it is today. Here's a few.

https://www.amazon.com/Second-Sex-Simone-Beauvoir/dp/030727778X - Excellent place to start.

It's likely in your local library.

After that...

https://www.amazon.com/Sexual-Politics-Kate-Millett/dp/023117425X

Another place to head to next. Controversial, most people have issue with some of things in here. There is no central authority, it's just lots of ideas and challenging yourself that's at the core of it.

https://www.amazon.com/Justice-Gender-Family-Susan-Moller/dp/0465037038

This is another good book to read on the subject after the first two. It's the first academic application of feminist theory to political theory.

That would set the groundwork.

As far as one that describes my view, not sure if I can do that, but that's cuz most people can't do that. I take ideas from multiple books/articles.

>I'll ask, If Feminism is about equality, why not simply fight for Egalitarianism?

Baggage is one reason. The term itself, egalitarianism, has a historical baggage associated with a pretty screwed up past.

Not only that, but feminism is about the advocacy of women's equality to that of men in areas where they are not equal. This is open to interpretation. If we are talking higher-level structural equality on a large scale, there is still much inequality. If we are talking about perceptions of women and stereotypes, there is much inequality. It's one way to look at it.

Also egalitarianism is not just about gender equality by definition, it deals with broader egalitarian concerns like social status, wealth, etc... It's all about catching flies appropriately. One issue at a time. Feminism is focused on gender inequalities, egalitarianism is focused on the total sum of all inequalities. Vast majority of feminists are egalitarian in regards to gender. They may not be in regards to economic status, they probably believe in free market capitalism for instance.

Also this seems like splitting hairs, what does it matter? I don't see many people rhetorically questioning why you call yourself red pill (haven't seen it, not saying they don't).