Reddit mentions of MSI Arsenal Gaming AMD Ryzen 2ND and 3rd Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 DVI HDMI Crossfire ATX Motherboard (B450 TOMAHAWK Max) (B450TOMAMAX)

B&H says Oct 16

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507114-REG/msi_b450_tomahawk_max_atx.html

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Amazon says 1-3 months (most likely a placeholder)

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Arsenal-Crossfire-Motherboard-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3RQBFWTQJCPHE&keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1570076185&sprefix=b450+t%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-2

b450 Tomahawk Max - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WF6ZQST/

( delivery: Nov 10 - Dec 15 though)

Try the MSI MAX Motherboards (Like the B450 Tomahawk Max Or Amazon )

Depends what you need. Just need something reliable with good cooling for the VRM's? Then the B450 Tomahawk MAX is a pretty good option. However if you need Wi-Fi the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC is pretty good as well especially since it's on sale right now because of Flack Friday again it depends on what you need from the motherboard.

Product links at Amazon and B&H.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507118-REG/msi_x470_gaming_plus_max.html

Sold and shipped by Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Performance-X470-Graphics-Motherboard/dp/B07Y468HV3/

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507113-REG/msi_b450_gaming_plus_max.html

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507114-REG/msi_b450_tomahawk_max_atx.html

Sold and shipped by Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Arsenal-Crossfire-Motherboard-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507115-REG/msi_b450_a_pro_max_atx.html

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507117-REG/msi_b450m_pro_vdh_max_matx.html

Sold by RAIDEALS and fulfilled by Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-VDH/dp/B07XH629TV/

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https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1507116-REG/msi_b450m_pro_m2_max_matx.html

Sold by RAIDEALS and fulfilled by Amazon, https://www.amazon.com/MSI-ProSeries-Micro-ATX-Motherboard-PRO-M2/dp/B07XH4SK17/

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Unsure if there are currently online retailer pages for these:

X470 GAMING PRO MAX

B450M MORTAR MAX

B450M-A PRO MAX

A320M-A PRO MAX

The most recommended mobo for ryzen 5 3600 is the Msi b450 tomahawk max 115$

Wow! Thank so much for responding so quickly!
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B07WF6ZQST/ref=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_1?crid=ZA0QUGY91N9I&keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1572196576&sprefix=b450+tomo%2Caps%2C260&sr=8-1 looks like your best option

For a motherboard? Sure!


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WF6ZQST?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

It is sold out pretty often(since it is probably the most popular board out there rn...), but it’s available now.

1. https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1571442829&sr=8-2
   
   
2. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144266?item=9SIA6KXA7X1718&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googlemkp-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googlemkp-pc-_-pla-spicybomb-_-motherboards+-+amd-_-9SIA6KXA7X1718&gclid=CjwKCAjwxaXtBRBbEiwAPqPxcMWMvkqKfSnLgm01FXbYczRQiv3BPsvOlIP1X4kHXttFTDoRtNI5HxoCtnsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2J7R1PFJVELM&keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1570994864&sprefix=B450+Tomahawk+m%2Caps%2C300&sr=8-1

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is available now , and will save u a lot of money with 3600 u don't need it.

It's listed, but says shipping in 1 to 2 months.

I'm looking for a good ATX motherboard deal. Stopped at this one for now. There's a catch though - I'm using a forwarding service to deliver it basically to the opposite point of the globe, so I want to know that the QA is decent and I won't get it dead on arrival, or otherwise I'd go with Asrock. Are there any better ones in a similar price range/good deals on semi-decent boards?

Edit: For anyone curious, this one appears to be far superior as for a similar price it supports Ryzen 3rd gen (3600 for instance) out of the box.

That only seems to be about 20 bucks more at the moment - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WF6ZQST/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1FJ9SEK1UVDTX&psc=1

So what I have right now is :

i5-3470, 16gb ddr3, h67 board, and I am looking to upgrade, up to lets say 450-500$, CPU+MB+RAM.

PSU is Seasonic M12II 620W Bronze +80.

has to be Amazon/Newegg or something that ships outside of US.

Thought about Ryzen 3600 (3600X if the 200$ Amazon deal comes back)

3000/3200Mhz RAM - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0134EW7G8/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

or: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MNJP6RW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

and MB:

B450 Tomahawk MAX - 115$ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07WF6ZQST/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Now 2 questions:

1. Which RAM is worth it more?
   
2. Is the motherboard a good choice, or is 'too much', and if so, would a mATX be also good and what will be the difference?
   
3. Also, is the difference between the 3600 and 3600X noticable, and is the difference in the cooler (Stealth vs Spire) significant?
   
   Thank you guys!

Would it be better to get the [Asus x570-P] (https://www.amazon.com/Asus-Prime-X570-P-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07SW925DR/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=x570-p&qid=1572037337&sr=8-2) or the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max? for a 3600?

Yes, it has been a great help. After looking around this motherboard seems to tick the most boxes with PCIE 4.0 for my SSDs and an upgraded ethernet port. The only downside from this and the next closest x570 that I can find (which is the ASUS Prime posted below) is a reduced number of gen-2 UBS ports. But, the ASUS board has a reported problem with the placement of a cooling fan that makes you unable to place larger graphics cards in the reinforced PCI slot. I think I will look for some cheaper ram, though. Any DDR-3600 should work, right?

What would be the main downside to going to something like an MSI Tomahawk B450? It seems to list almost all of the same features as these x570 boards.

Total: $1,401

$380 Monitor 27GL83A-B https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YGZL8XF

$490 GPU EVGA 2070 Super 8 GB https://www.microcenter.com/product/609535/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-black-gaming-overclocked-dual-fan-8gb-gddr6-pcie-30-video-card

$199 CPU 3600x https://www.microcenter.com/product/608319/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-38ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-spire-cooler

$115 Mobo MSI B450 MAX Tomohawk ATX https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Arsenal-Crossfire-Motherboard-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST

$70 RAM Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Single-PC4-24000-288-Pin-Memory/dp/B07M9HZFP2/

$72 Case NZXT H510 https://www.microcenter.com/product/606972/nzxt-h510-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-computer-case---black-white

$75 PSU EVGA GQ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017HA3SQ8

EDIT: I have the following 1TB SSD but it's unopened and within the return window if there's advice on another SSD or NVMe: https://www.microcenter.com/product/502942/samsung-860-evo-1tb-ssd-3-bit-mlc-v-nand-sata-iii-6gb-s-25-internal-solid-state-drive

Notes:

GPU - I was also considering the 5700XT which gets pretty cheap at Micro Center. I feel like the 2070 Super is worth the upgrade, but I'd like some input here.

Mobo - I was also looking at the Asrock B450 which is $65 cheaper at Micro Center when combined with the CPU. I was reading that you need a 2nd Gen Ryzen to flash the BIOS though? Also that it's not as good for overclocking.

Windows - Is this guide for free windows legit? https://www.windowscentral.com/you-do-not-need-activate-windows-10

Cooling - Are there any cooling concerns with this build? Aftermarket coolers I should buy or fans I should add to the case?

General advice - I've built a PC in the past but just kind of plugging everything in and hoping it worked. Any guides that you could give me would be appreciated. Voltages to check, how to overclock the CPU, overclocking the RAM, any fine tuning for the GPU, testing to make sure the IPS monitor doesn't have backlight bleeding, I've never used a modular power supply before, etc.

Which of these motherboards should I get?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Arsenal-Crossfire-Motherboard-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Same. I found it on amazon, but I don't see a good sale. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=twister_B07ZHY844C?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

CPU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07STGGQ18/ref=ox_sc_act_image_8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

The Ryzen 5 3600 is the best CPU for the buck at this time. It is built on the new 7nm Zen 2 node and is unlocked for overclocking. It also well excel at moderate workstation.

GPU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07WRYC3MT/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

This 5700XT model is one of the best in terms of value for performance. It has a great design as well as good thermals. The 5700XT will completely shred any game right now at 1080p and will run AAA titles at 1440p60FPS with minimum problems.

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07TS98LM6/ref=ox_sc_act_image_6?smid=A26PVB3960EU85&psc=1

The Viper 4 series is great in terms of value. Patriot makes some good product, and this is one of them. DDR4 3200 is natively supported by Zen 2, and there’s no XMP profile required. 16GB is enough for virtually any game out there.

SSD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07H5355JF/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?smid=A2UXO5LPTDY3LN&psc=1

Adata is on of my favorite memory brands out there. The SX6000 is a strong value contender on the market. You’ll see good improvement in read and write speeds over SATA-based SSDs and Hard Drives. 512GB of solid NVMe storage at only $59.99 is a great deal.

Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=msi+b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1573476715&sprefix=msi+b450+tomahawk+&sr=8-1

This motherboard has everything on B450 boards, as well as native Zen 2 support. The Tomahawk also supports overclocking, which you stated as something that you planned to do. Overall, just a great B450 board. Make sure you pick up a MAX version.

PSU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BK7BEPC/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

This a good power supply in terms of value. It is certified 80+ Bronze and is also semi-modular. This power supply also comes with a decent 3 year warranty. 650W is enough to power the system, even if overclocked. It also has some wiggle room for future system upgrades.

AIO Cooler: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QPNP4VP/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=A1TG24VCRPTZ06&psc=1

Since you will be overclocking and want RGB, I decided to add an AIO to the budget. This allows more OC space and better thermals during overclocking. The DeepCool captain is a good budget AIO. Mount this on the top of the case.

Case: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07KGSJRC3/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Solid case overall. This case comes with Corsair RGB fans that you can sync with Mystic Light software from the motherboard. This case has RGB and also a tempered glass design for less than $80. It also has decent airflow.

This system is about $1K, but with an employee discount, you are looking at a little bit over $900.

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Fyi you might be able to use your old psu

Thank you for your build. I do have a couple questions:


CPU: Looks great

Motherboard: Pc PartPicker warning: Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Matisse CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
Also, I see there is an MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX on amazon for $10 more than the Gaming Plus MAX. It seems to be very similar, the main difference to me is the color scheme. Are these actually similarly performing motherboards, and would I create issues by using the Tomahawk for the preferred color scheme? Link: https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3L1UL77PVON4S&keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1570719603&s=electronics&sprefix=b450+toma%2Celectronics%2C184&sr=1-2


Memory: Looks great


Storage: Looks great


Video Card: Looks great. Only question is PowerColor vs XFX. The XFX seems to be $20 cheaper. Not sure why. Link: https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-GDDR6-Graphics-RX-57XL8MFG6/dp/B07T81CGFY


Power supply: On board with this. That said, I've never had an issue with the power supply. Is this more of a "Fix it before it inevitably breaks" or some other reason?


Case: I'm pretty sure I shouldn't have space issues with my case. There's enough room to almost fit a second motherboard of the size I have. That said, after your recommendations I still have between $60-100 I could spend on a case. The current one I have is just solid black metal. Pretty old and outdated. Would you happen to have a recommendation on a case that maybe has some windows or isn't just a blob?


Again, thank you for your input.

I bought one off of the link you supplied since I've read nothing but good things for the Tomahawk. Wanted to make sure I got the MAX version though, and it was hard to find for sure. I guess they're restocking them since Amazon seems to have it now too:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07WF6ZQST/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=b450+tomahawk+max&qid=1571176271&sr=8-2

Seconded. Change CPU to R5 3600 and motherboard to MSI B450 Tomahawk Max. Swap SSD to Sabrent Rocket 512GB NVME. OEM Windows license will not be transferrable to your next PC, so maybe spend extra for retail version.

Ryzen 5 3600 + Asrock b450 steel legend is a good combo. It also has a micro atx version if you’d like smaller form factor.
You can save a bit extra by going with asrock b450m pro4 although there is a chance that it won’t be compatible with 3rd gen ryzen out of the box (look for the sticker). In that case you can email amd and they’ll lend you an upgrade kit for free.
If you can spare an extra $10-20 MSI b450 tomahawk max is a very good board and well worth it IMO. No smaller form factor tho.