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Lota of great suggestions already. A few more less exciting suggestions, but useful.

• sun hoodie $30-$50?
  
• quality sunscreen $10 (I like Blue Lizard)
  
• quality socks $10-$15 (I like DeFeet Aereators for fairly thin, very durable socks. They have cushioned versions too).
  
• electric shoe dryer $25-$40 (I like DryGuys brand)
  
• shoehorn $1 (surprisingly helpful if you have a heel blister)
  
• little medical kit (about as large as a wallet)
  
• nail clippers $5 (these ones are gifty and pretty good quality - Kikkerland Hand and Foot Nail Clippers Set, Silver https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0046C5B2A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0SCWDbHTKS79M)
  
• inflatable camping pad ($40-$80) & packable sleeping bag ($90-$150) (i like big agnes brand and aircore pad & lost dog 45 degree) On this one, I think being able to pack it right is the primary thing. High temperature rating and not down insulation saves money here, but look carefully at packable size).
  
  Edit: re sleeping bags, many/most Big Agnes bags are designed with insulation one one side only, intended to pair with their pads, which fit into a sleeve on the bag. This lets the bag pack tighter than most. I have had the lost dog bag (which I misplaced) and the cross mountain 45 degree bag, which is excellent, but needs a pad as described above. $100 on sale a few places.

a1) correct. Dribbling is a subset of give and go, however it is much more refined, purposeful and deliberate. To the untrained eye, it just looks like a give-go, dominator offense but that's really missing the nuance of it.

a2) Through my eyes, quick moving offenses are still extremely inefficient. They may have an occasional give/go, but it doesn't look particularly well intended. Dribbling provides an extraordinary amount of leverage and with leverage comes power. I simply don't see any team that is able to take advantage of any leverage they're able to apply. Does this make sense? I'm not asking if you agree, just whether or not this explanation makes sense.

b1) Explain to someone who doesn't know the meaning of sweet, what sugar is. It doesn't matter if you're the world's foremost authority on sugar, you still can't explain it. Nor can you use reason to get the job done. The only way for you to convey what sugar is to a person who doesn't know the meaning of the word sweet is to have them experience it.

I'm very frustrated as well, but I could explain this till I turn blue, it still won't make much sense until you learn the O.

b2) I don't decry prominent figures in Ultimate. AngryElf? Great guy, lovely wife, beautiful kid; mediocre frisbee player. This isn't personal, it's business. Nutt? Nethercutt reminds me of what Ultimate players were in the 35 years ago. He's a great guy, extremely respectful and as a person, I think he's phenomenal. As an ultimate player, he's not even begun to live up to his potential. There's nothing offensive about this.

Please don't take offense to my posts, I'm not trolling for attention, I just want to revolutionize the game.

c1) Not true, on both counts. My clinics come with instruction and without the abrasion. Coming soon to a town near you....

d1) Fair enough. I'd suggest starting here.

I think your first goal should be to go to a pickup game and see if you like the pace and style of the game. You can find pickup games here. A youth clinic would be even better. The next step up would be a middle or high school league. But pickup is a nice way to get familiar with the game without making a longer commitment.

There are four skills you should hone to make the most of any ultimate you play.

1. 5-15 yard forehands and backhands.
   
2. Reset passes
   
3. Catching
   
4. Cutting
   
   To practice these skills do the following:
   First make sure you're using the right disc. I hate to sound patronizing or dogmatic, but there's only one disc that's suitable for ultimate and that's this one. Buy 2-3 of the exact disc I linked and get throwing. If you can't buy multiple discs, one should suffice for at least a few months.
   
   Find someone to throw with you. Could be a parent, sibling, friend, anyone as long as they can (somewhat) reliably return passes to you from 10-15 yards away.
   
   I know you said that you have some degree of throwing proficiency, but I'm going to hammer this home: you can always use more practice. Practice throwing as often as you can. Aim for around 25 minute sessions. Practice both your forehand and backhand. Aim to develop each throw at a relatively even rate, but it's ok if one throw feels a little stronger than the other. Your first goal for playing competitively is to be able to complete 10-15 yard downfield throws. Know that most pickup games will force forehands. 10-15 yards is a good typical distance for a downfield throw.
   
   The second (some people might even say first) important throw to master after the downfield throw is the dump pass. A dump pass is any pass that loses yards with the goal of resetting the stall count.
   
   What is the stall count you may ask? It's kinda like the shot clock in basketball. From the moment someone catches a disc, if they're being guarded by someone, they have 10 seconds to get rid of the disc. This countdown is verbally counted up from 1-10 by the defender.
   
   Once you catch the disc, give yourself approximately 3 seconds to look to gain yards by throwing downfield. Once the person marking you says 4, you really ought to throw to the first person open. This person will often be behind you aka the dump. Remember that resetting the stall count is more important than gaining yards.
   
   Then practice catching. Practice catching with two hands in a claw grip. This is the same way most football receivers catch the ball (or disc in this case) sandwiched between your thumb and the rest of your fingers. Now practice catching single handed in a claw grip. Practice the alligator catch, which is when you clap your hands together so the disc is sandwiched in between.
   
   The last thing to practice is cutting. I save this for last because IMO this is best learned through trial and error. My general advice is this: Most times teams will run either vertical or horizontal stack. At pickup, it will be probably be horizontal. What this means is that the middle of the field 10-15 yards downfield from the thrower is the active space where cutters should be moving. When you're in that space, do not stop moving. If you don't get open after 5 seconds, move towards the sides of the field and rest. If you're in the dead space close to the sideline, you don't need to be moving.
   
   Links:
   
   Zen throwing
   
   The cutting tree
   
   Forehand best practices
   
   TLDR: If everything I said sounds like too much work to do, I will emphasize one thing above all else: just get out there and play. If you fall in love with the sport like I did, all else will follow. Post any more questions you have and I'll do my best to answer. There's no such thing as dumb questions :-)

Usually for ligament strains (like the PCL) they give a grade for the tear. Grade 1 is pretty minor strain, grade 2 is a partial tear, and grade 3 is a full tear of the ligament.

I had a grade 2.5+ almost full tear from a layout on turf in February of this year. I have a good PT and he instructed me to do as much quad strengthening as possible with closed kinetic chain exercises (your feet on the floor, as opposed to things like leg lifts). So lots of reps of single leg split squats, lunges, wall sits, step ups, etc. I also did some electrotherapy stuff that seemed to speed up the healing a bit (the brand of the machine is Bemer).

Even still, it was about 2 months before I was running again, 3 months back to playing, 4-5 months back to playing club level tournaments, and 6 months to feeling close to full speed. But if yours is a lower grade of tear you may be able to get back faster. Mine was just about as close to a full tear as you can get, but luckily I managed to avoid surgery and the long recovery that comes with that.

It's still really easy to re-injure though, especially with layouts and stuff. I'd recommend grabbing some kind of kneepad for that knee when you do start playing again, as that'll help with the impact a bit. I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/McDavid-Youth-Knee-Elbow-Black/dp/B01BD0DZKC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502247255&sr=8-1&keywords=hex+knee+pad

Hope that helps, and good luck with the recovery!

> Do many players lift to get in shape for ultimate?

yes.

> How can building muscle improve your ultimate game?

Building muscle improves your game by increasing the amount of power your body is able to generate.

It will also help you find places where your body moves suboptimally, and eliminate them. (e.g. if your hips are inflexible, your squat form and power will suffer; squats will also help your hips gain flexibility.

Lifting will also increase your grip strength, which is hugely important in ultimate.

> Does anyone have a good weight training routine for ultimate players?

I do Starting Strength. I recommend buying the book, but this wiki has much of the info from the book.

My goal with weightlifting is to build a strong strength base before the season starts, to make myself more powerful and to help prevent injuries. I also like to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle which the ultimate season will wear away.

I bought a headband for my college team's spring break, we put a clip into our highlight reel but the footage you get from it is honestly pretty mediocre. Each step you take is enough to jar the camera noticeably and stabilizing is definitely not worth it. This is the band I got and it is pretty good, It also came with a clip for the brim of your hat. It's pretty cool, but I wouldn't say it's the best for ultimate. I highly doubt there is any way to get high quality first-person video anytime soon.

What you want is the [Fun Gripper Flyer] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001J5BF1I/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0019J2U54&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1Z6CKF2JAQ0MQ5JD3SQK)

As far as non-plastic discs go, this has the best flight dynamics and is the most durable. I use it with my almost four year old to teach him how to catch without being scared of the disc, HS and college kids for frisbee tag games, and my 15 month old as a fun, soft toy.

Michael Baccarini (Paideia Ultimate coach and elementary PE teacher) recommends these ones as well and uses them for his 1st - 3rd great PE classes and has a pretty good track record in terms of producing great throwers.

I would buy a full power rack for safety's sake, if space and money permit (linked a cheap one, but it will do it's job, you can spend a lot more on higher quality ones), rather than the stand that liquidarity listed, but that's really up to your own tolerance for safety. You can use it for benching too (if you have a bench).

I wouldn't list bumper plates (as compared to steel) as an absolute necessity. They are certainly good to have for cleans (and to a certain extent, deadlifts), but again it's kind of up to your tolerance for noise and potential to break stuff (like... floors, or your bar) vs. how much money you want to spend. Obviously it's better to have them than not if you can afford it.

With a rack, a bench, a bar, and some plates, you can do most of any kind of training, and if you can swing some kettlebells (heh) that will add to your versatility.

With those specific programs however, from what I've seen in the past, they like to prescribe a decent amount of kettlebell type stuff (some of which you could do or modifiy to do with a bar, some you can't), so that might be a higher priority than on some other programs.

Where are you located and how many do you need? We designed our own box that fits an Ultimate disc perfectly and have them manufactured at a local box company. You can have some if you happen to be close enough to pick them up.

For shipping USPS will be cheapest. I hadn't heard of shipping a disc without packaging, but sounds awesome, ha! If you're not worried about bending I'd recommend at least put a poly bag around them to avoid scuffing. USPS can be pretty rough with packages, so we always ship a disc in a box. Some postal workers like to try to jam discs in mailboxes, so if you go the poly bag route, at least write "Do Not Bend" on the package.

Gloves are amazing, but some people have trouble throwing with them on. I personally have a pair of underarmor gloves that have small grips on the fingertips that help a great deal. If that does not work, I would recommend having a stash of these: http://www.amazon.com/Little-Hotties-Hand-Warmer-Pack/dp/B000JJP0UM handy. Keeping one in a pocket, or tucked into your shorts and warming up your hands on those longer turnovers will help a great deal.

I'm a huge believer in BodyGlide. I believe it's meant for male runners to lube their nipples, but in college I had a teammate who used it on her feet to prevent blisters, and she was really good, so I started doing it too. Unfortunately I don't think it's made me any better at Ultimate, but on the bright side I haven't gotten any blisters since. I used it on my feet during a week-long backpacking trip last year, also to great effect.

Here is my current go-to scoreboard & it's pretty huge for carrying around. Something as durable/visible but more compact/portable would be awesome! It's nice to have it be tall when set up, for ease of visibility by players on opposite sidelines, so perhaps some sort of telescoping legs.

If you're into improving the consistency of your play, then I would recommend checking The Inner Game of Tennis by Timothy Gallway.

It is a pretty quick read, but it gives good insights to better managing the inner mental game that we all play when we are on the field.

Ultimate: The Greatest Sport Ever Invented By Man is pretty funny

I personally wear some 3/4 leggings like these

https://www.amazon.com/DRSKIN-Tight-Compression-Pants-Running/dp/B01MG9EM1F/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?keywords=mr+skin+compression+pants&qid=1562251377&s=gateway&sprefix=mr+skin&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1

And then some knee pads like these

https://www.amazon.com/McDavid-Youth-Knee-Elbow-Black/dp/B01BD0DZKC/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=mcdavid+knee+pads&qid=1562251491&s=gateway&sprefix=mcda&sr=8-4

They breathe very well, and have saved my knees countless times.

My guess would be that it was part of this book, but I don't have my copy at work.

Ultimate: The Greatest Sport Ever Invented by Man

This book is awesome. As general advice, be 1: patient and 2: serious. That doesn't mean no fun, but talk to the captains about what they want out of the team to create clear goals.

Winning Ugly: Mental Warfare in Tennis is the best book on thoughtful approach to sports competition that I know.

There's also a book on coaching ultimate by some pretty big names

Highly recommended reading: 10 minute toughness

I did find these on amazon. I’m going to give them a whirl. Looks almost the same

Manual Scorekeeper with Adjustable Stand

You can always pick up a copy of the first book on ultimate I ever read.

Also relevant http://store.skydmagazine.com/shop/ebook/raise-your-game/

but https://smile.amazon.com/Essential-Ultimate-Teaching-Coaching-Playing/dp/0736050930 and https://www.riseupultimate.com/ for videos

https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Techniques-Tactics-James-Parinella/dp/073605104X

https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Ultimate-Teaching-Coaching-Playing/dp/0736050930

This book helped me out a lot

You can get them online from amazon. Also, the ultimate disc store. As Writers_bloc points out, you want a disc made by Discraft not Wham-O. (Wham-O owns the word "frisbee", so if you see that on the packaging, you don't want it).

If you're looking to buy more than just one disc you can buy practice discs here. Practice discs are usually the best price (other than getting your own discs printed), but I have no idea how much shipping to Singapore will factor in.