(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best women in history books

Gerda Lerner's text The Creation of the Patriarchy is an excellent read. I highly recommend picking up a copy and reading the whole thing.

Every single "person with similar views as nolimitsoldier" I have encountered has always fallen into 1 of the following groups.

1. "12-24 Naive" This is the age where people tend to dismiss feminism without taking any initiative to learn about new and old feminist theories. I understand why so many people in this group so readily believe misconceptions about feminism. It is due to lack of knowledge or background regarding the new and old feminist theories. Also why nolimitsoldier believes all feminists think they are artists / photographers is beyond me. I blame the countless people who don't take the time to learn about the concepts and definitions regarding feminism and much of the media. Isn't until people mature and take the initiative to learn about feminism and realize that modern societies are still patriarchal, misogynist, and sexist.
   
   
2. "Man Eaters" This misconception is the standard among those who still disregard feminism. Most I have met lack any true knowledge on the feminist theory and believe the myth that all feminist are hairy man hating lesbians. Feminists come from all background and genders so this couldn't possibly true. This stereotype is false. Myth:Feminists are man hating lesbians
   
   
3. "Corporate" Again more misconceptions. People complain about feminism, woman, etc, while not understanding what feminism has to do with the plight of the woman. At the end of the day it'll depend on the person and the person they're respecting if they're a good leader or not. Because believe it or not people come from all different backgrounds and cultures! It just goes against our cultured societal beliefs that women can be good leaders. **A side example of this is the iron my shirt incident with Hillary Clinton
   
   
4. "more bullshit" The definition of feminist varies in each textbook but they all mean the same thing in the end: people seeking the equal treatment of women. Men already dominate the world. This hasn't allowed women to dominate or control men in any way. And feminists aren't seeking the domination of men, we are seeking the equality of genders.
   
   To learn more about feminism you can read or watch the following websites,books, or videos:
   
   Youtube Videos or Channels:
   
   

• Tony Porter:A Call to Men
  
• Feminism Survey:Men on the Street
  
• Missrepresentation Documentary Trailer
  
• Joss Whedon's Equality Now speech
  
• Feminist Frequency
  
• Trixie Films
  
  Websites/Blogs:
  
  
• Finally Feminism 101
  
• Feminist Frequency
  
• Geek Feminism
  
• The F-Word
  
• Feminist Peace Network
  
• Gender Across Borders
  
• Feministing
  
• Feministe
  
• Tiger Beatdown
  
• Feminist Teacher
  
• The Feminist Hub
  
• Lipstick Feminists
  
  Books:
  
  
• Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center by Bell Hooks
  
• Feminism: The Essential Historical Writings
  
• Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference by Cordelia Fine
  
• Gender Knot Revised Ed: Unraveling Our Patriarchal Legacy by Allan G. Johnson
  
• Feminist Theory: A Reader by Wendy Kolmar
  
• The Second Wave: A Reader in Feminist Theory
  
• Third Wave Feminism: Expanded
  
• Different Wavelengths: Studies of the Contemporary Women's Movement
  
• Feminism without Borders: Decolonizing Theory, Practicing Solidarity by Chandra Talpade Mohanty
  
• Defending Our Dreams: Global Feminist Voices for a New Generation
  
• Listen Up: Voices from the Next Feminist Generation
  
• Enlightened Sexism by Susan J. Douglas
  
• Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape
  
• The Equality Illusion: The Truth about Women and Men Today by Kat Banyard
  
• Reclaiming the F Word: The New Feminist Movement by Catherine Redfern and Kristin Aune
  
• Transforming a Rape Culture by Emilie Buchwald, Pamela Fletcher and Martha Roth
  
• Well-Behaved Women Seldom Make History by Laurel Ulrich
  
• Men Speak Out: Views on Gender, Sex, and Power

Anyone else who is interested in the transition of feminism from a set of ideals you fought for to a collection of mass-produced plastic shit you can Buy Now will find the book We Were Feminists Once good reading.

Rick Scott, Republican. This could be another chapter in a book about the overall decline of public health.

Just get her this: http://www.amazon.com/Bitch-Praise-Difficult-Elizabeth-Wurtzel-ebook/dp/B009FKVY2E/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417389199&sr=1-3&keywords=bitch

You should really read books instead of just getting your ideology from internet comments.

Sally Miller Gearhart, "The Future—If There Is One—Is Female," Reweaving the Web of Life: Feminism and Nonviolence, New Society Publishers 1982:266–284.

Edit: https://www.amazon.com/Reweaving-Web-Life-Feminism-Nonviolence/dp/0865710163

The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State by Engels for scientific study of the emergence of patriarchy and its economic-material basis.

Alexandra Kollontai, leading voice in the Bolshevik revolution

Marxism and the Oppression of Women by Lise Vogel is highly regarded for a more recent theoretical work

Women Fight Back: The centuries-long struggle for liberation for U.S.-focused history of radical women's liberation struggles

Women in Cuba: The making of a revolution within the revolution - history of women's inclusion in the Cuban revolution and the founding of the Federation of Cuban Women, one of the most crucial mass organizations perpetuating the revolution

You could read some Harry Haywood or W.E.B. Du Bois

Verso has a good collection of Ho Chi Minh's writings, which includes a good intro that grounds you in the historical context of the selections

Yes, this is something that's discussed within feminism. It's sometimes referred to as empowertising or femvertising.

I haven't read it personally, but there is a book by Andi Zeisler called We Were Feminists Once: From Riot Grrrl to CoverGirl®, the Buying and Selling of a Political Movement about this topic.

Here's a podcast by Stuff Mom Never Told You on the topic: http://www.stuffmomnevertoldyou.com/podcasts/empowertising.htm

men created patriarchal structures to freely use womens' reproductive labor power


I can't recommend Lerner's Creation of the Patriarchy enough for this. An amazon reviewer sums up her thesis well:


>The struggle to control nature through agriculture created a shift toward patriarchy. Lerner reveals that it was women's reproductive capacity that men wanted to control for economic reasons. Children became an asset. Their labor was needed to till the soil and shepherd the herds. Certain "ecological conditions and biological irregularities" that threatened the survival of the tribe also contributed to viewing women's bodies as a commodity that could be exchanged with tribes, and acquired through tribal warfare leading to female slavery, concubinage, wives being subordinate to their husbands, and class formation. Lerner traces the rise of male power, the reification of women as the private property of men with the eventual subordination of women (and some men) through the codes and laws of the state, which dehumanized women in order to institutionalize male dominated hierarchies.


it all boils down to biology I think

Si vamos a hablar seriamente de feminismo, hay que partir por Simone de Beauvoir, el segundo sexo es la obra fundamental para entender la reivindicación feminista histórica

Este es light, pero es bueno para tener una perspectiva histórica

Este es más cercano a una revisión histórica académica. Se ha convertido en clásico en los últimos años

Este otro ayuda bastante a comprender la segunda ola, que es el core de la principal reivindicación de las manifestaciones de hoy en día

Y para una visión más local, la humanas tiene un par de cosas buenas

Además de lo que recomendó /u/Insania2014 que es good shit, especialmente Kirkwook.

No entraré en la crítica al feminismo (Camille Paglia tiene unos libros de ensayos buenos) o la tercera ola porque no he leido una obra que sintetise el fenómeno, así que no me voy a arriesgar.

I don't really know how to edit it at all but I'd include a bunch more references such as:

http://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv81757/pdf

http://archiveswest.orbiscascade.org/ark:/80444/xv81757

https://library.uoregon.edu/special-collections

her essay where she talks about wanting all the men to die is included in her book

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0865710163/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0865710163&linkCode=as2&tag=theamericanre-20&linkId=NB64LM5XL2PUF6GU which was already referenced previously.

There is a very interesting book that came out in 1992 about female terrorists, written by journalist Eileen MacDonald: Shoot the Women First.

The gist of the book is that women are no strangers to terrorism, and that, contrary to what people would like to believe about women being some kind of hanger-ons or "girlfriends" of the terrorists, women are quite capable of being as determined and ruthless as any of the men—sometimes even more so.

The Palestinian women of the Intifada, for example, coached their own children to conduct various terrorist activities. Interestingly, they criticized the Palestinian men for not being as committed. Apparently, the men would get married and take on the responsibilities of providing for their wives and children, and this led to them only wanting to "talk politics." The Palestinian mothers, by contrast, were far beyond mere talk.

The book is out of print, but still available. It's a profile of several different women terrorists. I highly recommend it.

I've checked and all of these are available new and are not exorbitantly expensive. I haven't read all of them, some are just from my own personal wish list. These are radfem but not directly trans-focused. Sorry if that was more what you were looking for, if so I can check for more along those lines.

Life and Death by Dworkin

Intercourse by Dworkin

Letters from a war zone by Dworkin

The creation of patriarchy by Lerner

Origin of the family, private property and the state by Engels

Ain't I a woman: black women and feminism by hooks

Pornland by Dines

Anticlimax by Jeffreys

Are woman human? by MacKinnon

Labor day.

[This book.] (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0385484011/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3UHSOLHAJ6508&coliid=I3JZC6PTBBM558)

"Age is a terrible thief. Just when you're getting the hang of life, it knocks your legs out from under you and stoops your back. It makes you ache and muddies your head and silently spreads cancer throughout your spouse." -Water for Elephants.

> you didn't even look at the evidence on the video.

I listened to the first 20 minutes and then skipped through the rest. It made some valid points. However, it did not /r/redpill me perhaps as you had hoped.

> a mentally dysfunctional woman's group.

So far you've told women to shut up and are now calling them crazy. DOUBLE HIT.

> I don't understand feminist media critique

Exactly.

> Every thing to you is a death threat, a rape claim,

No. However women in tech and gaming media regularly receive death and rape threats.

> copy paste diatribe you

Did not copy and paste.

> Sarkeesian is the George Bush of the gaming industry.

What?

> It's her telling the lies

You have yet to give me an example of a "lie". Again, do you know the difference between a difference of opinion and "lying"?

> he and I gave death threats

I never accused you of sending death threats.

> you are a scratched record playing the same diatribe over and over

You understand what a debate is, right? Are you just mad I am not agreeing with you? Do you only talk to people who agree with you?

> to portray your so called superior cerebrum

It's called an analogy.

> self help books

You could try an academic book. Heck, you could just read the Wikipedia article to understand you are so far off-base regarding modern feminism.

> What possible benefit would come from it

Are you asking what possible benefit from coming from hearing a different opinion than yours?

> I don't want to be disillusioned about the world

You're right, it's much easier to go through the world unquestioningly.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8RgbS9ESE

Can you point me to a book, essay, lecture, or academic paper, really anything besides a YouTube video, to back up your arguments? Sarkeesian can.

lol
I agree, I had this discussion with friends last night; there aren't insults that don't, in some way, insult. That is to say, all insults demean the subject of the insult. That's why they work. And, honestly, I couldn't give a shit less about them. I'd be lying if I said I didn't regularly use pejoratives that are considered offensive to just about everyone (the example I used last night was "homo bitch cripple kyke nigger" but only because I couldn't think of any more groups of people to insult at the moment). But I know these things are offensive and I wouldn't dream of using them to harm anyone. I think it's actually important to use some of these things and make them powerless with humor or empowerment (see Bitch). But there will always be people who are genuinely offended. I'd like to say, "fuck'em" but sometimes they're right.

Anyways...
>phrases associated with rape-culture.

=/= "rape"
No one ever said that it was rape. You really are making this into a bigger deal that it ever was. The REASON it's considered part of "rape culture" is because it IS "hate speech"

IT:
>incites violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or disparage or intimidates a protected individual or group

It encourages sexual violence or action against women (who are a protected group) AND it disparages and/or intimidates women (who are still a protected group).

You're gonna argue that it doesn't do those things because it doesn't immediately cause a riot in the streets. But the fact remains that it DOES encourage those ideas and perpetuates concepts of non-consensual sexual domination.

I don't think there's anything wrong with insults either. The question isn't what do we think is wrong with saying "suck my dick." The question is, what is the desired outcome that we want? The answer is a multitude of things but in this context lets stick to the prevention, reduction, and sanction against sexual violence/assault. In order to get the desired result we have to change some things. It may not be that the individual changes are themselves harmful. But the aggregate of those influences is harmful. Suck my dick on its' own is not harmful. Suck my dick in a culture where people are forced to suck dick against their will can be harmful.

Maybe when there's no more forced oral sex we'll be able to tell someone to suck my fucking dick again. Until then, keep the dirty talk in the bedroom with your dick sucker.