Reddit mentions: The best camping sleeping bag liners

-Don't buy a tent or backpack right now. You're on the east cost so you should have REI, EMS, and maybe some other outfitters too. Not only because you can try out different kinds, but also because hardly anyone really needs a backpacking backpack and they tend to be 200$ spacefillers in your closet. Buying a tent will likely be useful down the road but being able to rent a backpacking one vs a car camping one will keep quality up and costs down and be way more convenient at this point. Also, borrowing gear for trips is very much accepted as part of the culture. Also, to your point of camping places you can fly to, if it's in Can/US/Europe, I'd recommend using the rental option even more strongly. (Though if you don't hike more than 5 miles or so a day, travel a lot, and don't have to have a backpacking backpack, the Osprey Farpoint 55 or 70 may be the last travel bag of any kind you'll ever buy. I LOVE this thing and have taken it on trips all over.)

-One extra thought re tents: KNOW HOW TO SET IT UP. 80% is self explanatory, but knowing where on the ground to set it up, and how to use the rain fly / guy lines can be the difference between you being dry in a surprise rain and being cold, wet, miserable, and you (or your s.o.) not wanting to camp again. Youtube and your outfitter store employees are actually excellent resources for this.

-Furthering that line of thought, rent this season, then troll craigslist and other local for sale apps (like Letgo, Offerup and Ebay) for what you know by then demonstrably works for you at the end of the season.

-Buying a sleeping bag is a good idea though. The rule of thumb is the degree rating is the temp at which you won't freeze to death, so add about 20-30 degrees for comfy sleeping. But you can save some money and add versatility if you also bring a packable down blanket or a sleeping bag liner (those are the ones I use). Because you're looking for value over total quality, you won't need something that extra 10-15% of size difference, and because rain will screw you up less, I'd probably recommend a polyester bag. (Down tends to me more expensive and you're SOL when it gets wet. People pay more because down bags tend to be warmer for the weight and space, and they're generally better for the environment.)

-I'd also recommend getting a sleeping pad, and generally rec air mattresses of at least 2.5" for side sleepers. (I got a couple Big Agnes Air Core Ultra Insulated ones on offerup for cheap and think they work great.) For car camping you can just get a Coleman air mattress from Target etc, but TRY IT OUT BEFORE YOU GO EVERY TIME because they tend not to last very long...I don't think I've ever had an air mattress last more than about 4 trips without starting the slow leak of death march.

-A 4 person tent is overkill and you would never want to bring that on a backpacking trip. If you do backpacking and want some room, a good two person tent (I use Big Agnes Copper Spur HV2 for backpacking, and an Alps Mountaineering 3 person for car camping, which is huge by comparison).

-Overgeneralization, but generally speaking budget tents and sleeping bags are garbage. I tend to buy used "bombproof" gear from people who realize they don't like camping after they buy the bombproof gear (or when they decide to upgrade). Again, reselling camp gear is very much a-ok with the camp culture. On VALUE vs Price, some companies have amazing guarantees and will repair / replace your gear at no cost forever. (Some brands are Patagonia, Osprey, Darn Tough socks, all of which are companies who make amazing products.)

-I'd also say you don't need a cast iron pan for camping except for the aesthetic. any pan will do, and a cast iron just adds weight and inconvenience (unless you're really handy with a cast iron). One thing I do recommend having though is a couple good sized dry bags. Not only because of their intended use, but because they also double as a scullery bin for washing dishes (turn it inside out though so you can later wash off the oils etc after you're done washing the dishes and pots and turn the bag right side out again).

Hope this helps. Good luck on your adventures!

PS and in re New England adventures, you cannot go wrong with spending 4 nights in Acadia NP / Bar Harbor ME.

Yes, I highly recommend the sleepsheet. This is the one I got, but I would recommend the double one. I'm not even a big guy but it felt constricting sometimes, and the extra space would be nice.

I stayed at Kick Ass hostel in Edinburgh. I found it easy enough to make friends, but I have 3 whiskey shots and I'm everyone's best friend. The best thing about it though, is it's across the street from a bar, The Fiddlers Arms, and at the bottom of the hill from Edinburgh Castle. You walk out the front door into a large square with one of the best views in the entire city (one of, okay, there's a ton). The bar across the street also gives you a discount if you stay at that hostel as well, which was a nice surprise.

I was at Death Valley a few weeks ago backpacking the Cottonwood-Marble Canyon Loop.

We camped at about 1,000 ft. elevation the first night and had temperatures in the low 40s. The second day we ascended to a little over 2,000 ft elevation. We actually saw some snow/ice even during the day time. On this day, we camped at about 2,500ft and temperatures were in the mid to low 30s during the night. According to the ranger we spoke to at Stovepipe Wells, temperature lows were in the mid 20s at 3500-4000ft of elevation.

My gear included a 30 degree Marmot sleeping bag, with this sleeping bag liner. I slept wearing the following:

A body-hugging liner, t-shirt, sweater and a light hoodie and then slipped into my sleeping-bag liner and sleeping bag. With all of these layers, I was comfortable - but just barely. I slept well, but at one point, my hands were out of the sleeping bag and they got really cold in 20min. Had the temperature been lower by even 5 degrees, I don't think I'd have been able to sleep.

Having said that, with your planned gear, I think you are adequately prepared. December is pretty much the coldest month for DV, with Feb being warmer by about 10 degrees.

See: http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/weather.htm

Keep in mind that this is shaping up to be a colder than usual winter for CA, so those temperature averages are slightly on the higher side.
I'm going back to DV in January and expect to be more warmer than I was in December, even if just slightly. If you'd like, I can give you an update after my trip, but for a final source of truth, you should call DV and talk to a ranger a week before your trip.

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> 6'x8' Arrowhead Equipment silnylon tarp pitched low over my poles and affixed via 6.5" titanium stakes (unsure if these'll work in the desert or if I'll have to look around for rocks to pile over them...)

Your luck with stakes depends a lot on the terrain which changes a lot (also depends heavily on where in DV you are - it's huge!). Out first night, the ground was too rocky to dig stakes in, so we used rocks. The second night, we were able to dig in stakes. Both days were fairly windy (I'd estimate 20-30mph winds in the night). The first night when we were unable to dig stakes in, the tent was blowing around quite a lot while we were eating food etc. and not in the tent.

Feel free to ask me any other questions I can help you with.

They don't really add warmth, that's what the sleeping bag is for. You'll be warmer with one than without it, but you'd get the same amount of warmth by adding another layer. There are some that add more warmth than others like this S2S one. But using that money for the proper sleeping bag is a much better idea, especially since it weighs as much as some sleeping bags.

I would just look for the fabric you want if you want something comfortable between you and your bag to keep it clean. I find that they aren't necessary unless you're really getting dirty without access to any water or change of clothes, like desert camping/overlanding.

I got a cheap polyester liner off amazon for a recent boy scout summer camp. Was good for going to bed but I ended up needing the bag in the middle of the night.

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60 is pretty chilly, you are definitely going to want some sort of insulation.

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I am looking at something like this https://smile.amazon.com/Active-Era-Ultra-Lightweight-Sleeping/dp/B076PN92WP/ref=pd_cp_468_3?pd_rd_w=vcJGY&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=D5YFGP4K032D1NYYD81Z&pd_rd_r=4b7575c0-a8ca-11e9-a046-57e9afa9f59a&pd_rd_wg=vg5Ea&pd_rd_i=B076PN92WP&psc=1&refRID=D5YFGP4K032D1NYYD81Z for my next "hot" trip.

Thank you! I’m going to not try but I’m an anxious person off her anxiety meds - so I do the best I can 😂 I also have a really bad phobia of hotel beds so FW should be interesting while I sleep in my cocoon

Can you tell we had a really sexy honeymoon as well?

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Sarah and I will be using hammocks w/ underquilts, so our pads are up for grabs. Ricky and Emily already called dibs though.

• Two-person sleeping bags are kind of a pain in the ass, but I do have one that somebody can borrow.
  
  
• I have four of these available to lend. They can help make a sleeping bag warmer, but they do take up a fair bit of extra space. They also don't have weatherproof stuff sacks, so you'll have to take extra care to keep them dry.

I have this Coleman liner and use it all the time, and at $17 it is a pretty good deal, at least to someone like me that doesn't have extra blankets laying around.

I bought THIS quite awhile back. If your looking for a liner that provides a "separation", like a sheet, from your quilt I'd HIGHLY recommend it. If your looking to increase the R-Value, this probably isn't what your looking for. It packs tiny & light.

If you don't mind, would you take a look at this bag:

Hyke & Byke Down Sleeping Bag for Backpacking – Quandary 15 Degree F Ultralight, Ultra Compact Down Filled 3 Season Men’s and Women’s Lightweight Mummy Bags https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078RF3KBH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4y1ZBbC1H2TPR

and this liner:

Sea to Summit - Reactor Extreme - Thermolite Mummy Liner, One Size, Red https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2z1ZBbA0B6HFC

(Sorry for the formatting.) How can I tell if the liner will fit in the short bag? Do they seem an adequate weight for backpacking? Thanks!

Snugpak underblanket is $50. It's synthetic material, not down, which means it won't compress as small. But it's immune to moisture problems like down is and since it doesn't shift around, you don't have to sew through (air can make its way through stitches which requires special construction in down quilts).

Anyway, I just slept in my hammock last night and it got down to 33F (roughly 0C) and I had the snugpak in the bottom and then I just had 3 blankets on top (2 cheap costco down throws + army "woobie"). A sleeping bag works well as a topquilt -- most of them have a nice footbox built in. Just don't zip it up around yourself.

IMO sleeping pads are not the way to go -- they are a pain in the ass to use in hammocks, they shift around and it's hard to get them to perfectly wrap around you. Closed-cell foam pads work in an emergency, you can get them for about $5 from walmart (or equivalent). But you will wake up with a sweaty back, they are not ideal for your permanent setup.

EDIT I have one of these too and they make a pretty big difference without using up much space https://www.amazon.com/Osage-River-Microfiber-Zippered-Sleeping/dp/B01KTTI1I4/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1539569306&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=sleeping+bag+liner&psc=1

Take warm sleep wear, and if you go for a bag that's not so great in the cold, consider getting an inner bag (eg. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Summit-Thermolite-Reactor-Sleeping/dp/B003BIT004/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540760794&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=sea+to+summit+inner+bag) which just goes inside the sleeping bag and helps keep you warm and the bag cleaner inside.

Get something like this and you can extend the season for your bag. This one is cheap but they have better more expensive liners. TETON Sports XL Sleeping Bag Liner for Travel and Camping Sheet https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005EPRMIO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ir0aAb2HH9243

Yeah. Here you go:

Silkrafox ultralight sleeping bag liner, travel and camping sheet, artificial silk inlett, perfect for hiking, backpacking, outdoor activities, blue https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JI8HNRS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_4TJqDb84WJP79

I would reccomend the GSI Soloist pot over the Jet boil and with that a MSR Pocket Rocket, but thats just my personal preference.

This is the liner that I use but I would look more into other liners, just to see if theres anything you would prefer more. I only used the liner like a dozen times at most, so its not a necessity.

I keep one of these in my car to build finger strength. It has really helped my dexterity.

I have a 20 deg top and bottom quilt setup, and also a 40deg sleeping bag.
In the summer months, I just use the 40 deg bag, most of the time I just use it like a top quilt.
In the spring and fall the 20 deg quilt set up is used.
Ive gone on a couple winter trips, I take my 20 deg setup, and I also pack a thermal bag liner ( https://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Reactor-Compact-Thermolite/dp/B003D5F6RQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1511881779&sr=8-5&keywords=sea+to+summit+sleeping+bag+liner)

These setups have gotten me into the low teens in winter months.

You might be better off taking a silk sleeping bag liner instead of sheets. Light, packs down small, can be used in hostels etc (if that where you're staying)

What about adding a silk liner? Adds an extra layer that can be easily rinsed and only adds about 130g to your kit.

Can't recommend a good bag, but a bag liner will be essential for colder temperatures. Look for something like this:
Cocoon Nylon MummyLiner https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DXCSLM/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_u.XFub0JR74SR

I got one of these

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DFT2O6A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4BZizbCKGQ67P

And one of these

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DFT0R00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_.DZizb83JQNEJ

Either one, Coupled with one of these

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0026JELLW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_aDZizbBSQD342

With either sleeping bag, the liner helps a lot. Of course I keep my base layer handy as well..

This is an older post, but for what it's worth, I slept in this bag liner in 62-65 degree weather (google and my watch disagreed on the temp) and was fine in camp clothes. I did get a bit chilly around 4 am, and slid into my sleeping bag for about an hour before I was too hot and got back out. Had I been wearing long sleeves and pants rather than short, I'd have been fine.

If you have a flannel blanket or something, bring it along, but you can likely leave the bag at home.

Well, there's this.

You're being down voted because nobody has used one. I also use a fleece liner and it's minimum 10 degrees warmer, to the point I will be freezing in the bag and sweating with the liner.

here's a cheap one that claims 12 degrees more in a bag
coleman

EDIT: wanted to add one that adds 25 degrees and weighs 14 ounces here

Also deleted kinda dickish comment because u/sdhuaime is an overlander and backpacker also, he just has different experiences than I do

You mean like this? It's called a sleeping bag liner (though you can use them on their own). I have no clue where to begin recommending you find one other than online.

https://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Reactor-Extreme-Thermolite/dp/B003BIT004/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1541914778&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=sea+to+summit+thermolite+reactor+sleeping+bag+liner&dpPl=1&dpID=51O5p0gL2DL&ref=plSrch this is what you want friendo.

Nekked.

If I need to wear a shirt I have a Uniqlo Airism shirt that I wear, and if that's not enough, I have a bed liner.

I've been using one of these for a couple years.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EPRMIO?ref_=sr_1_31&srs=2601977011&qid=1384983171&sr=8-31&pldnSite=1&th=1&psc=1

I think I'll go with this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trekmates-Mummy-Polyester-Cotton-Travel/dp/B003AG5LYG/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381329401&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=microfibre+travel+liner thank you again!

I have been using an Alps Mountaineering liner ($21.60 on Amazon) for the past 5 years and attest to its durability even after being machine washed.

Alternatively, If you're handy with a sewing machine you could convert an old bed sheet into a liner which would only really cost you your time.

You can get Fleece sleeping bag liners for about 17$. I don't know if that is cheaper than buying fleece by the yard.

Maybe a fleece sleeping bag liner. Only $16. Probably not comfortable below 50F.

+1 to bag liners too if you sleep colder than most for the same reason it traps heat. I've slept in 0C climate with a 4C bag using a liner and pad, no problems... except when the zipper broke.

You mentioned silk sleeping bag liners, but I'd like to mention fleece liners: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_arc1Db6GN3P1C they insulate you with even more trapped air in your bag.

And/or you could put a mylar emergency bivy over your bag to reflect the heat you radiate: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DW347RP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6uc1Db1JC0A7R