Reddit mentions of Logitech 3 MOMO Force Feedback Racing Wheel

The biggest question is: How committed is he, and what is his price range?

With wheels, there are a few things to take into account. There are two methods of driving force feedback: gears, and belts.

• Gears are relatively old technology. They are simple, reliable, and cheap, but provide a low-fi FFB experience. The teeth in the gears are very distinct in the feedback you get: as you turn the wheel, you will get a strong vibration as the gears mesh together. Gears also have rather limited strength in the FFB, even cranked up they aren't very strong. Gears also have gaps in their force feedback where you will not get any response whatsoever, often times this is the middle.
  
  
• Belt driven wheels are a much newer and more advanced design. They really emerged only in the last 3 or 4 years in significant quantities. Belts have smooth, analog-like feedback compared to the ratchety, noisy operation of gear based wheels. They have much stronger, and much more realistic FFB. Their only cons are price, and reliability, and in the case of the early belt-driven wheels, there was some noticeable lag on the FFB. Being more complex, they may have more reliability issues, but in the vast majority of cases, they won't have any problems. Otherwise, belts are wholly superior to gear based wheels. The wheels' response will be much smoother, and much more enjoyable overall.
  
  I have done significant research on all the major wheels available today. And if you want to go cheap, the Black Momo or DFGT are your best choices. If you are going gear based, stick to $100 or less if possible. Any more, and you should really just skip right to belt-driven wheels. The Black Momo is not considered a "desirable" wheel, and they are plentiful. Thus, it's easy to find them cheaply; I have seen them as low as $50. I'd say amongst cheap gear wheels, the Momo is probably your best bet. I have had one for almost a decade now and it's holding up well, and I have no problems doing well in iRacing with it, despite its low steering lock. It does everything you need it to as a beginner, and is built pretty well.
  
  The DFGT is very similar mechanically to the Momo, the most notable difference being that it has 900 degrees of rotation, and does not have shifter paddles like the Momo. It only has buttons. However, the DFGT has a strong reputation and is in high demand, and since it has been discontinued, the price is quite high. It is possible to find them for $100 on Craigslist or other private sellers, but even the cheapest used on Amazon is $150. If you can find a DFGT for $100, I would go for it, but I wouldn't pay any more for one for a few reasons.
  
  Finally, the one people always seem to recommend, the G27. At the time of its release, the G27 was one of the better wheels available on the market, and it was great value. However, fastforward to modern day, the G27 is about 5 years old, and its almost identical predecessor, the G25, is 8 years old. In the interim since its release, belt-driven wheels have begun mass-production and their prices have gone down significantly, and now belt-driven wheels price-match the G27, and significantly outperform it as far as FFB goes.
  
  The G27 was, and still is a great wheel, but it is an old design and there are much better options now. And at the end of the day, being gear-driven, it plays by the same rules, and has the same characteristics as the far cheaper Momo and DFGT, although it is slightly more refined. This means that the G27 isn't really that great of a contender in the current market anymore at its list price. Gears are only advantageous for their price, and the G27's relatively high cost undermines this. If you can find a G27 for $150 or less, then you would have a great deal, but do not pay $200 or more for one, because at that point you really should be getting the Fanatec 911 GT3 + CS pedal bundle for $225 or so, or just going all the way to the Thrustmaster TX (which also comes with pedals) for $300. Both are significant upgrades from the G27.
  
  Here are some links: the "Black" MOMO Racing, Driving Force GT, and Logitech G25/G27.
  
  The 911 GT3 + pedal bundle can be found here for $230, $4 less than the G27 is selling for on Amazon right now. It is quite a big step up from the G27, but it is one of the older mass-produced Belt-driven wheels on the market, so it won't be as refined as the much newer model, the Thrustmaster TX, is.
  
  The TX is the new kid on the block and combines one of the best "bases" (basically the entire housing with the motor and belts inside, everything but the wheel, in essence) on the market, with a really low price. It's listed at $300, but you could probably find it on Craigslist or Ebay for less, or you could wait for an official sale on Amazon or some other retailer. The TX is by far the best value for your money now as far as wheel quality goes, it is only $66 more expensive than the G27 at list price, but you will get a drastically better driving experience with it. The TX's FFB is the best in the sub $500 market. As far as value goes, I would recommend the TX wholeheartedly. Users who have upgraded from the G27 to the TX have talked about a "drastic improvement" in quality, I can provide links if you would like.
  
  The main criticism of the TX is the lack of clutch pedal and general low quality pedals. A "progressive brake" mod has been created for the TX pedals which gives them a great, much more realistic feel, and makes them a decent set of pedals. This mod is DIY and can be done for $10. Once the mod is performed, the TX package is pretty strong overall. You get a decent progressive brake with some of the best FFB on the market for $300 or less, what more do you want?
  
  If you want to see a video of the TX in action and an indepth review, check out this video.
  
  I know this was a long post, but I wanted to encompass the current state of the wheel market as completely as I could.
  
  In summary:
  
  The only remaining selling point of gear-driven wheels is price, and even then the gap is shrinking rapidly. If you are looking to spend $150 or under, get a gear based wheel. Ideally, a Black Momo or Driving Force GT. If you can find a Logitech G27 for $150 or less, go for it, however, do not spend more than $150 on a gear based wheel.
  
  We're at that awkward phase where the new tech has arrived and is becoming readily available, but the old tech hasn't had time to compensate by dropping prices, sort of like video tapes and DVD's being sold simultaneously. A DVD player would only be marginally more expensive, but provides a significantly upgraded experience from VHS.
  
  Belt driven wheels are superior in every way other than price, and perhaps, reliability. If you are looking to spend more than $150, go for the Fanatec 911 GT3 for $175, and optionally the 911 GT3 + pedal bundle for $230. If you are looking at +$250, go for a Thrustmaster TX for $300.
  
  I hope you found this helpful! Feel free to respond or PM me if you have any other questions. I'm quite familiar with most of the hardware on the market today.

I have the Logitech MOMO wheel. Does anyone think this wheel would be a worthwhile upgrade to this one?

Yep, then iRacing might be the way to go. One thing I forgot to mention about iRacing is they offer a 3-for-1 deal for anyone wanting to try it out. So you can just sign up for 3 months and if you don't like it, cancel it. They have some VERY accurately modeled sports cars on there, and the tracks are unlike any other game I've ever seen. We have annual tickets to the Indy 500, and I can attest to the accuracy of IMS.

Also, here is a link to the steering wheel I use:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Force-Feedback-Racing-Wheel/dp/B00006HYLN/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331228717&sr=8-1

It's pretty expensive new, but mine was as-good-as-new for $40, so it's worth a look around if you want.

I totally agree with you in that pedals make the most sense for thrust (these other guys don't know what they're missing out on)

Here's two wheels with pedals that should work for you.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find any 3-pedal setups for under $100 unless you get used.

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As an aside, my current setup is a Logitech MOMO set of pedals (I picked the wheel up used for $50), a Mad Catz V1 for the left hand (up/down and left/right translocation) and a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro for the right hand (used as a regular flight stick)

At some point I'm going to figure out how to mount the Mad Catz one sideways, because 'space!'

Welcome to our subreddit! We're not officially launched just yet (hence why it's pretty empty), but I'll gladly help you out.

The MOMO racing wheel is no longer being produced, so we don't have parts for it, unfortunately.


I'm assuming you've gone into the settings for the wheel and had the max rotation of the wheel capped at 270?

There are some new and used over on Amazon. You can also try keeping an eye on eBay, Craigslist and the looking to buy subreddits that are around. Maybe crosspost in some of the racing communities and ask them if anyone has the wheel?

I'm glad that you love our wheel, and I hope you participate in our community once it officially launches soon!

Yeah, I just went cheap and got a used but like new MOMO FFB wheel and a thrustmaster HOTAS. $160 out the door for both. Both have good reviews, though the MOMA wheel is old tech. So, not top of the line equipment but I'm sure it will be much more immersive than just an XBOX controller. Ebay and Amazon used have some good stuff if you are patient. Now, if I wind up spending tons of time using either one I might wind up upgrading, but until then no point in spending a fortune.

Price summary:

PS3: $260

Gran Turismo 6: $40

Logitech Momo Force Feedback Racing Wheel + Pedals: $75

Desk: $20 from a yard sale

TV: $460

Chair: Free

GRAND TOTAL: $855