(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best camping tent traps

I generally advise against the Amazon specials and recommend that you support small cottage businesses instead, but if you must get a cheap hammock I think this design is the best: https://www.amazon.com/ETROL-Lightweight-Asymmetric-Backpacking-Activities/dp/B07MNC2XCZ/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=etrol+hammock&qid=1568249246&s=sporting-goods&sr=1-5

Add in a cheap tarp like this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C3NPCXC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And you have a really nice camping setup with tons of rain protection for really cheap. That type of hammock is lightweight, very easy to set up, and is a great introduction to the really nice sorts of hammocks that the custom hammock designers make.

I own a few that I am more or less happy with. The 3mx3m from DD is a popular choice and shows up in quite a few YT videos. The Bushcraft USA storefront tarp is on order, and it shows up in more than a few YT videos. I also have owned the Yukon Outfitter walkabout, the Aqua Quest guide, and the Paria Siltarp. One of my more frequent hiking/bushcraft partners uses an SJK Satellite Tarp and she is very happy with it.

• DD Hammocks Tarp 3x3. Also available in a Superlight version.
  
• Bushcraft Outfitters 10x10. Proceeds help support the Bushcraft USA forums site.
  
• Paria Siltarp. Amazon link, non-affiliate.
  
• Aqua Guide Quest Tarp 10x10. Amazon link, not an affiliate.
  
• SJK Satellite Tarp. Can be found online or also at Cabela's.
  
  If you have access to a sewing machine, DIY is also an option. A tarp is pretty easy to sew, though I found the tieout reinforcements a little tricky at first--just practice a bit on some scraps. Ripstop By The Roll is a great source for fabric and other materials, as is /r/myog.

I know Eno is the top one listed here but I'd stay away. My #1 tip is to go with an 11 foot hammock. It's much more comfortable than the shorter ones like an Eno for most people, and I would never recommend an Eno for overnight sleeping. Some people are fine with it; most will find an 11' hammock MUCH more comfortable. I own an Eno and others.

Any 11 foot hammock, with a bugnet if you want. Double layer if you want to put a pad in between (or you could just bring it into the hammock). An 11' tarp, and if you have extra cash an underquilt instead of a pad makes things very comfy.

Example setups:

• SLD Starter hammock + suspension for $60, or if you want a net, the Warbonnet El Dorado with the stock suspension ($140)
  
• Any 11 foot tarp ($50). If you want lighter/better you can get a silpoly tarp from Warbonnet, UGQ, and many others for a bit over $100.
  
• A CCF pad under you in the hammock, or a Klymit inflatable pad, or for ultimate comfort a HammockGear Econ underquilt instead of a pad
  
  So, there's some options which cost about the same as the Eno, but way better.

I’m looking for the same thing as you but I’m in the U.S. is this a good one? DD is awesome but I don’t think I could get one shipped to me for the same price. Any help would be appreciated!

Uhhh, holy crap! Firstly, amazon shadily makes different suggestions to you than me, based on our history on the site, so i don't see those on my page. I dug around though, and wow, this is a whole part of amazon they were hiding from me, presumably because i first started looking for the more expensive ones!

I'm wholly inexperienced and still gearing up with this, I've probably spent almost as much time watching youtube vids and reading this sub as I have in my 5 day trips to the woods in the last ~1.5 months. So I had not heard about the drawbacks of saggy nylon, (that was a good read, thx!) and had no preference other than hoping not to waste money on something that is destroyed in a few months. Most folks i've seen in videos were using sil tarps for their shelters at least, though I sure couldn't tell you why. What other uses do sil tarps have that make them worth 3x the price? I just want something i can use to make a shelter out of, I have the sleeping bag

Just after a quick browse here, would this make sense to you?

maybe this as a shelter tarp?
https://www.amazon.ca/Ultralight-person-Footprint-Camping-Fishing/dp/B01E0TDH42/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485452993&sr=8-1&keywords=20D%2Btarp&th=1&psc=1

and something like this as a ground sheet?
https://www.amazon.ca/Oxford-Fabric-Footprint-Camping-Fishing/dp/B01D8GXI7O/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1485452993&sr=8-4&keywords=20D+tarp

Or doubling up on one or the other could make more sense, as you mentioned before? Thanks so much for the detailed info!

edit: I should mention weight is a minor concern for sure, my general plans involve hiking some distance and camping, carrying ~30-40lbs of weight seems like a sensible goal for my 200-210lb frame. (Just went on my first training hike with 40 lbs on for 8km total, it was something!)

just one night? I suppose on a bike you wouldn't want to carry a whole lot of gear. Does that Geigerrig have much room for stuff? If not, a small backpack for a few more items of gear and a bladder pouch might be a nice choice.

It would be a good idea to get some overnight hiking in so you have some experience staying outdoors--and I don't mean without food and water, you should go out prepared.

In order to be constructive, here are some more bases to think about. Food, warmth/sleep, and shelter.

Food-I think food would be a good addition, so you have enough energy to get back the next day; something you wouldn't have to cook like a handful of cliffbars (poptarts also have a shit ton of calories).

Sleep-Something warm to sleep in like a down jacket or sleeping bag. My buddy had a jacket like this while backpacking recently, http://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Research-Transcendent-Sweater-Medium/dp/B0059AW7HA/, it was super warm, lightweight, and very compressible. A jacket like this would really be the bear minimum, unless its balls hot outside.

Shelter-if you have the room, you can get an ultralight tarp and just a few feet of paracord. http://www.amazon.com/Terra-Nova-Adventure-Person-Black/dp/B007NMCWMC/ I have this for backpacking and it packs down very small, like the size of my hand. but there are other fancier/expensive tarps out there too. Or if you don't mind sewing, you can make an ultra light tarp fairly easily and on the cheap, this website has the materials and plans for that kind of thing, http://www.backwoodsdaydreamer.com/

there are rope bags/tarps with extra features to make them better than non specific tarps, but the main function is keeping your rope clean, which any ole tarp can do. with rope specific tarps, you are looking at different features that accomplish the same thing: making the rope more portable and less likely to tangle. I've tried a few different things, but my favorite thing to use was actually my first tarp: abc dirtbagger because you can spread the rope out, roll the tarp up, and it has strong clips on the back side that turn it into basically a compression sack. hard to beat at $25-30

I have the LiteOutdoors 8x10 tarp and it's awesome. Only 13oz after seam sealing and is probably the lightest silnylon tarp on the market. It's currently on sale for only $85! I use it with the MSR Mesh House 2. Only 28oz for the combo and the weight is easily divided between two people because it is a modular system. One of my favorite 2p shelter set-ups. Not sure about the CF poles, maybe something from easton Quest Outfitters carries CF poles and components. Good Luck!

Hey OP, late to the party but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

I have the Golite poncho tarp, which is unfortunately no longer made but it looks like Sea to Summit sells a very similar item. I've had mine for a while now and it is really nice to have. It packs very small, is large enough to keep you and your pack dry, and has tie-outs so it can be easily used as a tarp shelter.

It goes everywhere with me in my kit, and moves to smaller emergency kits for shorter excursions. Great peace of mind.

1. [ENO doublenest hammock] (http://www.amazon.com/Eagles-Nest-Outfitters-DoubleNest-Hammock/dp/B001DDTE1E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345872726&sr=8-1&keywords=eno+doublenest+hammock)
   
   
2. [25 yards 1" webbing] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QL2C26/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i02)
   
   
3. [ENO rainfly pro] (http://www.amazon.com/ENO-Pro-Rain-Tarp-Navy/dp/B0027PXSWS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345872824&sr=8-1&keywords=eno+rain+fly)
   
   
4. [hiker first aid kit with extra bandages] (http://www.rei.com/product/800905/rei-hiker-first-aid-kit)
   
   
5. [set of 6 MSR ground stakes] (http://www.rei.com/product/682543/msr-ground-hog-stake)
   
   
6. Walther PPS .40 cal in a [crossbreed super tuck] (http://crossbreedholsters.com/SuperTuckDeluxe/tabid/90/List/0/ProductID/1/CategoryID/1/Level/1/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName) holster
   
   
7. [26 KN rated carabiners] (http://www.amazon.com/Orbit-Straight-Carabiner-Keylock-CAMP/dp/B0015TFYCY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345872547&sr=8-2&keywords=trango+carabiner)
   
   
8. Warbonnet Outdoors [Adjustable Webbing Suspension] (http://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/acces.php)
   
   
9. [Silva Compass with Mirror] (http://www.amazon.com/Silva-2801078-Ranger-CLQ-Compass/dp/B000EQ82H8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345872609&sr=8-2&keywords=silva+type+20)
   
   
10. iphone 4
    
    
11. Uni-ball Super ink .5mm pen. This varies as I have ~10 pens I grab on a day-to-day basis.
    
    
12. Lighter
    
    
13. [Kershaw Scallion Knife] (http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=49)
    
    
14. True Utility [Utili-key] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003F527NU/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00)
    
    
15. [Nylon billfold] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E1GRIO/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00)
    
    
16. [Camelback Alpine Explorer backpack] (http://www.rei.com/product/830501/camelbak-alpine-explorer-hydration-pack-100-fl-oz)
    
    
    I realize this may be slightly outside the bounds of "every day carry" but rest assured this backpack is always on/near me.
    
    The things I have physically on me and basically all times are items: 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
    
    Everything else pretty much lives in the backpack and stays on me or in my car for access at a moments notice.

I just posted this for another guy, but it's applicable here as well:

Hammock: Dutchware Halfwit (only half a bugnet, as your sleeping back covers your lower half). $98, which includes the knotty mod on both sides (really under rated comfort feature). I got mine in hexon 1.0 fabric, and it weighs 8.5oz.

Suspension: Add the optional whoopie slings and straps when you buy the Halfwit for $39 and about 3.5oz.

Rainfly: Couple options. Go with a cheapo $30, 12-18oz depending on the brand.

Simply Light Designs has a 6oz Asym Tarp for $60. Great for 95% of weather, but if the rain starts going sideways, you will wish you had something bigger.

Or you might want to go with a bigger hex. Lots more covereage, probably about $80-110 and 12-20oz. Many options here.

Now you also need insulation. Check out arrowhead equipment's kick ass quilts. They are the cheapest lightweight under/top quilts you can get. Full 25F setup for under $300 at around 2.5 lbs. An enlightened equipment setup is obviously lighter (probably under 2lbs), but that will run you $500-600.

The Gold Armor tarp from Amazon is what I use and it is pretty awesome, for the price.

Gold Armour 12ft Extra Large Tarp Hammock Waterproof Rain Fly Tarp 185in Centerline - Lightweight Ripstop Fabric - Stakes Included - Survival Gear Backpacking Camping Accessories (Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C3MJFZZ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_bpDTDbP70557R

The hammock I use is from GoOutfitters and I am very happy with it. Check out their tarp.

https://go-outfitters.com/collections/tarps-and-accessories

Awesome setup I would recommend a tarp or https://www.amazon.com/Himal-Essential-10ft10ft-Waterproof-Sunshade/dp/B01EHJSJPM?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_1

something like that to protect the weights

Durable means heavy. A silnylon tarp is better for backpacking. An 8x10 silnylon tarp is about $100. A pyramid tarp like the MLD solomid is a bit more tent-like, and better in stormy conditions. With perimeter bug netting it's better in buggy conditions.

Best amazon arrangement in my opinion:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B011W0VETW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
get a "double". They're currently out of doubles. And this does not imply double as in "for two people". Two people in one hammock is awful.
Add an Amsteel ridgeline.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XCRYKT5/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Clip off the little plastic hooks. Use the hammock structural ridgeline to keep net up off of face.
https://www.amazon.com/Hammock-Sunshade-Backpacking-Lightweight-Waterproof/dp/B071KJ4LZ3/ref=sr_1_33?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1503402533&sr=1-33&keywords=hammock+tarp
a pretty darn good tarp for the money

Something like this? 12'x10', ~1.9 lbs, polyester, $30. Can't really speak to quality/durability but it's cheap and has good reviews so will probably last you long enough to get your moneys worth.

Since weight isn't a big deal, there's a lot of similar options on Amazon. Chill gorilla has a 12'x12' at 2.2 lbs, 210D nylon and fairly durable (but also a bit stretchier), $60.

Just a quick tip for trekking pole/guyline pitches, an in-line clove hitch is my preferred way of wrapping guylines around the pole (tip or handle).

I just picked up a Roman Ventures tarp on amazon for $34. It’s huge too! Haven’t had it in the field yet, but I did a trial set up last night and it seems to be great quality.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075GDH4DL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Dm1bBbM2M99HM

Hammock is an old Castaway single with Grand Trunk tree straps.
Under quilt is a four season Jarbridge from Arrowhead Equipment.
Top quilt is a North Face 20° sleeping bag.
Rain fly is an Amazon special called 'Preself'. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07M8LCDBH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0mZSCbB7R51MR

I toured this summer with this rain poncho/tarp hybrid.
I don't think I'd do another tour without it.
I got caught in a bad thunderstorm in the middle of nowhere with no tree's or shelter, and ended up just sitting in the grass off the side of the road using the ponch/tarp as a cocoon, worked great.
I also used it at night if it looked like rain to cover my bike and gear.
It's nice because it has loops for guy-lines or tent stakes so it's pretty versatile.

Before dumping a ton of money on a DCF tarp you might get a cheap poncho tarp (they're about the same dimensions of a 7x9 tarp) and try it out. Just a cheap one is fine to experiment, like this: https://www.amazon.com/TETON-SPORTS-Shelter-Poncho-Orange/dp/B0767CRTMD I like tarps but they're just another tool in the toolbox and not a replacement for all my shelters.