Reddit mentions of AmazonBasics Quick-Access Firearm Safety Device

Clackamas Country Sheriffs range has good training available.

For just going out and shooting, North Fork Wolf Creek Road out past Timber on Hwy 26 is a good spot.

Getting a membership at Tri County is worth it if you actually shoot on a regular basis.

As far as storage, if it's just the one gun, There's an Amazon Basics safe that's surprisingly good and if you wait to catch it on sale you can get it for around $35

Amazon price tracker confirms your observation that they were $60, now half price, average price over the product's history is $46.

I think these types of safes are effective if they are also decently hidden, as they can be defeated often within seconds (as I just did mine recently when the battery died and I couldn't find the key and found a youtube video that showed how to open it almost instantly), but can keep honest people honest and grubby kids hands off them if found.

Great channel for seeing how to quickly defeat most amazon safes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-lE4Tz2I_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdJti43IgU

> So the problem continues.

No, we make laws to fix the problem, rather than harass victims. Going after crime victims isn't fixing problems, but is instead making yourself feel better because you did something. Maybe we should do things to deal with the crime itself and not focus on the tool.

> Not sure if you’ve seen a gun safe, but those suckers aren’t easy to break in.

I've seen hundreds of gun safes. Many are cheap shit that are either easy to break into, or easy to simply steal and break in later. Do you think the poor are going to have the nice ones that "aren't easy to break in" or the shitty ones that are easy to get into. Here's one that Amazon is selling. I'd like you to note that even in the product images, it's just sitting on a cheap wooden shelf. Even if it's bolted onto that shelf, it's easily stolen. Then a criminal can take their time to open it at home.

Gun safes, absent large and expensive ones or ones very securely mounted (to concrete or thick metal), are mostly a safety device to keep kids out, not a significant theft prevention device. The criminal already overcame the lock on your door. The bolts into your wooden desk aren't going to be too much to overcome for them.

> with a statistic like 79% of guns used in crime being stolen or given to the perp, it seems like a starter.

Well, let's find a source. Here's a PBS article on this subject, and I'll quote from them:

> "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said.

The article keeps going to explain that the black market is where illegal guns come from, with the majority being sourced legally in the first place. (Edit: And another source on this: "Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent).")

I'll also note that you combined "stolen" and "given" as if we were talking about both of these, why is that?

> I’m far from anti-poor, but if you want a gun, that comes at a price.

Let me rephrase this to what it sounds like to me. "I'm far from anti-poor, but if you're one of the people that are most likely to need self-defense, I'm going to make it impossible for you!" That's how that reads. It sure seems like you supporting the poor with this kind of thing.

> A well-regulated militia of one requires training, which requires money.

One, everyone is part of the militia (this is the current law, though you can say that it's limited to those able-bodied from 17-45), and this doesn't require training. Two, training doesn't require a lot of money. Simply because you want to toss out buzzwords and define them as you wish doesn't change the law.

> To say that just anyone can have a gun without security or training seems against the second amendment.

Well, that's your opinion. It's never been interpreted that way by a court system, but it is still your opinion. Further, until this sentence, we weren't really talking about "without security" and we weren't talking about training. We were talking about safes and stolen guns. Why are you changing the subject?

> Let’s say there’s a government program that if you are part of militia it would put grants to help purchase training and security safes, would that be another step towards helping the poor defend their home but not add to the problem of their guns being used in crime?

If you want a program that lets anyone (because we shouldn't be discriminatory) get a grant for training (I personally think that this should be part of primary education in high school) and safes, then sure, let's do it.

But I'll note that you haven't fixed the problem of stolen guns at all, as gun safes are fairly small and easy to steal most of the time. Of course, as the article above says, this isn't the problem with guns. It's just an easy justification to invade gun rights.

BosnianBill (Retired Army EOD, Lockpicking guru and gun nut) just gave this amazon safe a thumbs up.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GFDSKY3/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_3?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

Here is his video, he rarely recommends a product (because most are shit) so if I were looking for one this would be the one I would buy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_5969tiqk

A simple Amazon Basics pistol box will run you about $60. Its what I use. I like it.

 

My nightstand box is a Vaultek. The Vaultek is better buts its also about $150 or maybe 115 for a refurb.

the vaultek

 

Bottom line: The vaultek is better but the Amazon is adequate.

 

Vaultek Pros:

Nicer fit and finish.

Better feeling buttons.

Slightly sturdier feel.

Buttons light up when you run your hand over them so its easy to see in the dark.

The corner hinge has a pass through hole to support a thick anchor cable.

Interior light.

 

Amazon Pros:

Half the price.

 

Basically, I chose the vaultek for the nightstand as something that looks good enough to actually have out on the nightstand where I have to see it daily (actually bolted in place). Also something I can depend on quickly, quietly rolling over and opening in the middle of the night.

 


The Amazon however, is just going to live in the trunk of my car, and its rare that I’d need to get into it that quickly. (Like you, I just need a safe legal way to store my ccw when my job or location requires me to de-gun).

 

Bottom line, in the trunk of the car, the amazons boxier look and slightly cheaper mushier feeling buttons don’t bother me for a truck safe.

 

Both good options, no reason to pay double for the nicer box if you never have to see it.

 

Assuming you plan to bolt it in, both boxes come with mounting holes.

 

Both will be adequate size. The vaultek (snugly) has room for my HK VP with WML and 3 spare mags.

The Amazon is even roomier a bit I THINK. It fits my ccw in the holster, spare mag in a carrier, and there’s plenty of room to spare.