(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best sleeping bags & camp bedding

REI's Backpacking Tips for Beginners is a good place to start.

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-beginners.html

You'll notice the first section is "Find an Experienced Partner". While this sub and others can give you a lot of advice, it's not a substitute for a partner who knows what they're doing. That doesn't mean you can't just go out and "wing it"... if you do, don't bite off more than you can chew. Better to take a few shorter overnights just to get used to things before heading out into the backcountry and having an epic. And I think you need a permits for Yos/Mammoth, so better look into that.

The REI list discusses shared gear and personal gear. Most likely an experienced partner is going to already own a tent, stove, cookware... but if it's just two of you with no gear, you'll have to pick up both shared and personal gear. How you want to split the cost is up to you.

The checklists are nice... but before you go out and buy everything on the list, make sure you will actually need them. Start with the basics; tent, bag, pad, pack, headlamp, FAK, maps & compass, stove, pot, utensils, shoes and clothing... and then go from there.

Here's the REI backpacking checklist:

https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacking-checklist.html

It's comprehensive, but remember you don't need everything on the list. It's pretty common for a beginner to go out and spend way too much money, and then start leaving stuff home as they find they don't need it on the trail.

REI is a great place to spend (a lot of) money. They've got very nice gear, and a great return policy if the gear doesn't work for you... but you'll pay full retail if you just walk in and buy the gear. With a membership, all full price items return 10% to you at the end of the year so it's not too bad, and they have seasonal 20% off coupons which do help. It's a good place to pick up a pack since they can help getting you one that fits, which goes a long way to a comfortable hike. Ditto with shoes, and you can try out mattress pads and see what's comfortable for you.

You can buy other things elsewhere like Amazon... but it's recommended that you go to a gear shop to try on packs (and buy it there to support the store).

Here are a few recommendations:

Pack - Gregory and Osprey are often recommended. For a beginner, 50L-60L is a good size. Don't get a 70L pack, you'll just end up bringing more gear than you need. Try the pack on, load it up with weights, and make sure it fits and carries well. Sometimes the REI packs will fit you better than others... if that's the case get the REI (and save a few bucks).

Tent - Huge range of products here. The Lynx is a decent starter tent for the cost. It'll probably last a few years, and by then hopefully you'll have more money and more experience and get something you like better.

Sleeping bag - If you can afford a down bag, that's great, they're lighter and pack smaller than synthetic bags. The Kelty Cosmic 20 is a good bag for the price.


Pad - Look at the basic inflatables (keep in mind the R-value if you're thinking of going later in the season) like the Thermarest ProLite. Some stick with foam pads like the Thermarest Z Lite pad to save money. Try them out and see what you like.

Stove - The MSR PocketRocket is ol' reliable. Lot of people have them, but the new MSR PocketRocket 2 is more compact and lighter. There are some cheap (< $15) stoves on Amazon, the Etekcity and BRS 3000T... people have been using them but they're small and more suited to people who are just boiling water for dehydrated meals rather than those who actually cook.

Cookset - Don't spend money on a 12 piece cookset...they're cool, but at some point you'll probably figure out you only need a shared pot and a mug for each person. And maybe a small fry pan. Depends on what you want to eat out there. Anodized aluminum is light and sturdy, but more expensive than other options. Titanium is super light, but doesn't disperse heat well so it's great for boiling water, but not so much for cooking non-liquid meals. Stainless steel is heavy but will last many years.

Spork - so many sporks out there... long handled spoons work better for getting food from the bottom of a packet.

Headlamp - Get a decent headlamp. Black Diamond Spot is a nice one, Petzl makes some nice ones as well.

Good luck!

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Next thing on the survival menu: make sure you have enough cash and convert it to Canadian before you leave. I normally suggest you bring about $150 - $200 depending on how early you plan on getting in. The cash machine can run out and I don't know how well it works with American bank accounts. ( $50/day early iirc ) Food also can get expensive.. Be ready for that

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There are a few places you can get food along the way, Kelwona is good, Castlegar is great ( No frills sells cheap food.. vegis can be meh, but for dirt cheap thats where I hit up ) Nelson is out of the way but has a "membership free bulk store" called Wholesale club.. It works but might be too large for one person

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Canadian tire will sell cheap coolers ( styrofoam etc ) so you can pick that up drop some ice in and go. Personally i hate suggesting styrofoam but you do what you need to.

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To pack your bag to save the maximum space, ROLL your clothes then push them into ziplock freezer bags. you can easily fit 2 - 3x the amount into a bag, depending on the size of your backpack and how long you will be there it can make it much easier to fit everything. Also bring a bathing suit in a spare bag. Toss it into the bag before tossing it into your backpack as you leave so it won't stink up everything.

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For clothing, shorts and tshirts work great, Lots of people love to dress up with costumes.. Now, it does get a bit chilly at night if you are not at the stages. A pair of pants and a hoodie is a good idea, ALSO KNOW, there is always a chance it could rain. so be ready for that. Normally it doesn't last long but you could get wet.

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( I will link my basic hiking setup at the bottom, I've collected this stuff over years but I can make it about 5-7 days with this, obviously you don't need everything but thats what I take hiking )

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Make sure to bring a GOOD pair of shoes for walking. When it gets dark, the paths become.. Sketchy. during the day sandals works but I always perfered my walking shoes. Water shoes are also AMAZING. The river is rockey.. Well.. only rocks.. So having something you can walk though it is super nice. You can do it bare foot and I have many times but its not always the most comfortable of things.

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1. Get a good backpack, On the cheaper side, get a Amazon Basics Note, 75lr could put you over the 50lb mark at the airport so be prepared for that -- SIDE NOTE. Ask the person at the flight desk for a bag to put your backpack into and tape it up. Makes flying 9000x better with a backpack because it won't get caught
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06Y5M3D4P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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2. get a hiking sleeping bag aka, very light weight and compact.
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00TZRPQFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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3. Camping Chair
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/NiceC-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Festival/dp/B07F1Z4W6T/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=camping+chair&qid=1562387249&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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4. water pack
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Camelbak-1122001900-Hydration-Backpacks-HydroBak/dp/B01L8JENFO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=camelback&qid=1562387280&s=sports&sr=1-3
   
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5. stove kit **MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND CAN GET TANKS THAT FIT**
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/TOMSHOO-Cookware-Piezoelectric-Ignition-Backpacking/dp/B01JLMM0YG/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=hiking+stove&qid=1562387297&s=sports&sr=1-4
   
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6. Foamy ( foams are lighter than inflatables every lb counts )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Mountain-Warehouse-Roll-Mat-Lightweight/dp/B00FB6D06Y/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=camp+foam&qid=1562387485&s=sports&sr=1-9
   
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7. hiking pillow ( takes up 1/10th the space )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Sports-ComfortLite-Self-Inflating-Comfortably-Backpacking/dp/B009L1MF7A/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=hiking+pillow&qid=1562387513&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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8. hiking towels
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/BOGI-Microfiber-Travel-Sports-Compact/dp/B077VK4TDW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=camp+towels&qid=1562387529&s=sports&sr=1-2
   
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9. SUNSCREEN!!! Very important unless you enjoy being a lobster. The sun is VERY STRONG out in the valley the first year I went, I watched a guy go from well tanned construction worker to lobster to a walking talking blister. Not fun
   
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10. dollar store tarps and rope ( probably $10 combined so don't feel bad trashing them after )
    
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11. FLASHLIGHT, The roots are killer at night.. I swear, the trees are alive and will try and trip you
    
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12. eating utensils.. I got a kit from the dollar store for $10 then just eat out of my pots.
    
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13. TENT: I got a greer top hiking tent.. Its gone from amazon.. a 2man tent is your best bet get it as light as possible.

I'm going to cheat, but I think $150 is a reasonable starter budget for the following reason: skip the sleeping bag. You don't need a sleeping bag to go camping. I don't know anyone who chooses to sleep in a bag at home, so I can confidently say that everyone prefers to sleep with a blanket. Sleeping bags are for backpackers who need to maximize warmth for a given size and weight. Just bring a couple of blankets (one light, one warm) and you're good to go camping. Cost: free, comfort: high.

Tent: I own this coleman 3 person tent you can get for $63 on amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-2000001978-Parent-Hooligan-Tent/dp/B001TSABLA?th=1

This is a great tent with a nice sized vestibule that is very useful in bad weather. Easy to pitch and surprisingly weatherproof (wind and hard rain). It's not the only option, but shows what you can get on the cheap. I think it's best to go somewhat cheap on the tent with a name brand like coleman because it will be relatively reliable and can be repurposed as a 'beater tent' in the future if your friend decides to upgrade. If you don't go with that option, consider the door and rain fly positioning. Many cheap tents don't provide any coverage of the door so entering when it's raining will cause everything inside to get soaked.

Pad: I'd spend the rest of the money on a decent pad. If this is for a single person, a self inflating sleeping pad will be the most comfortable and provide plenty of warmth from the cold ground. A good air mattress can also be had for cheap, but will be very cold without some sort of insulation underneath you (more blankets!). You could opt for used gear here, because really good sleeping pads cost a fair amount of money. Looking at amazon however, there seem to be plenty of self inflating pads for less than $100 that get great reviews like this one (go big and thick for comfort): https://www.amazon.com/Lightspeed-Outdoors-Warmth-Inflating-Sleep/dp/B01F7WEQYG/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1492637247&sr=8-5&keywords=self%2Binflating%2Bpad&th=1&psc=1

I don't have this specific one (use an exped megamat), but I think self inflating is the way to go for car camping because of the tremendous amount of comfort it provides relative to purely inflatable options without the foam insert. I just bought an exped megamat double wide and am planning to put up my LXW megamat up for sale on geartrade. If your friend is interested in that, he could get a $250 mat for ~$100 which really is the ultimate in comfort. There may be other good options on geartrade already!

Good luck, always good to hear about people getting into camping

-Don't buy a tent or backpack right now. You're on the east cost so you should have REI, EMS, and maybe some other outfitters too. Not only because you can try out different kinds, but also because hardly anyone really needs a backpacking backpack and they tend to be 200$ spacefillers in your closet. Buying a tent will likely be useful down the road but being able to rent a backpacking one vs a car camping one will keep quality up and costs down and be way more convenient at this point. Also, borrowing gear for trips is very much accepted as part of the culture. Also, to your point of camping places you can fly to, if it's in Can/US/Europe, I'd recommend using the rental option even more strongly. (Though if you don't hike more than 5 miles or so a day, travel a lot, and don't have to have a backpacking backpack, the Osprey Farpoint 55 or 70 may be the last travel bag of any kind you'll ever buy. I LOVE this thing and have taken it on trips all over.)

-One extra thought re tents: KNOW HOW TO SET IT UP. 80% is self explanatory, but knowing where on the ground to set it up, and how to use the rain fly / guy lines can be the difference between you being dry in a surprise rain and being cold, wet, miserable, and you (or your s.o.) not wanting to camp again. Youtube and your outfitter store employees are actually excellent resources for this.

-Furthering that line of thought, rent this season, then troll craigslist and other local for sale apps (like Letgo, Offerup and Ebay) for what you know by then demonstrably works for you at the end of the season.

-Buying a sleeping bag is a good idea though. The rule of thumb is the degree rating is the temp at which you won't freeze to death, so add about 20-30 degrees for comfy sleeping. But you can save some money and add versatility if you also bring a packable down blanket or a sleeping bag liner (those are the ones I use). Because you're looking for value over total quality, you won't need something that extra 10-15% of size difference, and because rain will screw you up less, I'd probably recommend a polyester bag. (Down tends to me more expensive and you're SOL when it gets wet. People pay more because down bags tend to be warmer for the weight and space, and they're generally better for the environment.)

-I'd also recommend getting a sleeping pad, and generally rec air mattresses of at least 2.5" for side sleepers. (I got a couple Big Agnes Air Core Ultra Insulated ones on offerup for cheap and think they work great.) For car camping you can just get a Coleman air mattress from Target etc, but TRY IT OUT BEFORE YOU GO EVERY TIME because they tend not to last very long...I don't think I've ever had an air mattress last more than about 4 trips without starting the slow leak of death march.

-A 4 person tent is overkill and you would never want to bring that on a backpacking trip. If you do backpacking and want some room, a good two person tent (I use Big Agnes Copper Spur HV2 for backpacking, and an Alps Mountaineering 3 person for car camping, which is huge by comparison).

-Overgeneralization, but generally speaking budget tents and sleeping bags are garbage. I tend to buy used "bombproof" gear from people who realize they don't like camping after they buy the bombproof gear (or when they decide to upgrade). Again, reselling camp gear is very much a-ok with the camp culture. On VALUE vs Price, some companies have amazing guarantees and will repair / replace your gear at no cost forever. (Some brands are Patagonia, Osprey, Darn Tough socks, all of which are companies who make amazing products.)

-I'd also say you don't need a cast iron pan for camping except for the aesthetic. any pan will do, and a cast iron just adds weight and inconvenience (unless you're really handy with a cast iron). One thing I do recommend having though is a couple good sized dry bags. Not only because of their intended use, but because they also double as a scullery bin for washing dishes (turn it inside out though so you can later wash off the oils etc after you're done washing the dishes and pots and turn the bag right side out again).

Hope this helps. Good luck on your adventures!

PS and in re New England adventures, you cannot go wrong with spending 4 nights in Acadia NP / Bar Harbor ME.

You mention air-mattresses so I assume you're just car camping, not hiking? Probably a good choice for first-time camping.

REI has a good checklist here. You obviously won't need all of it (like navigation stuff), but it's a good starting place.

Tents are a bit tough without more detail. Are all six of you planning on going in on purchasing a six person tent? Do a select few people want to buy 2-3 person tents to just keep? Are you planning on hiking in the future, in which case you'll want lighter tents - at more upfront cost? How many sites have you reserved? If only one site, there will probably be a limit on number of tents you can have.

Either way, some good starting places:

• ALPS Mountaineering offers a 6-person tent for $140, and is a well regarded brand on here. That's about $24 each.
  
  
• REI also has a good 6-person tent for $150, and this subreddit loves REI (and deservedly so). Can't go wrong with their gear. About $25 each.
  
  A tarp for the tent might not be necessary, but is something worth considering if you're worried about wet conditions.
  
  Air mattresses are an unnecessary expense if you're on a budget. Pretty much any sleeping bag that's not designed specifically to be lightweight will have enough fluff in it to provide some padding. Something like one of these big fat ones for $25. You're camping anyway, not staying at a hotel. A few nights on the ground won't kill you. Bring a few thick blankets if you're worried though. A good inflatable pad will probably be more than you want to spend money on.
  
  You can forget backpacks for now if you're just using your cars at a state park or something. A good pack is expensive anyway. But a duffel bag or small backpack or something is a good idea to carry clothes, food, and supplies. Doesn't need to be anything special.
  
  One important thing to keep in mind is firewood. Don't bring it. You should always buy locally (most parks will supply/sell it) since this prevents the spread of dangerous pests like Emerald Ash Borers and such.
  
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• A first aid kit, probably. Even at a well developed state park, it's still a good idea to have one nearby for smaller injuries.
  
• Some sort of firestarter. Doesn't need to be fancy. Just, if you bring a lighter, make sure you have fluid for it. Something like these guys might be useful though if you're not used to starting fires.
  
• Flashlights/Lanterns are useful. Something like this or this
  
• A cooler.
  
• A pillow. For car-camping a normal pillow will do. Just make sure you don't forget. I always forget a fucking pillow when car-camping.
  
  Food. Personally, I think planning and packing food for a camping trip is one of the best parts. There are more camping food "hacks" and ideas out there than you can imagine. Plan it right and you'll eat better when camping than your average day in the college dorm. A little bit of tin foil, pie pans, and prep the night before and you can eat stuff like this or this or this. Just browse and look around until you see something that makes your mouth water. Most of it is no more difficult than throwing ingredients in some tin foil, and then throwing them on the fire later (in some cases you'll want to pre-cook chicken or fish or beef though).

The Osprey Atmos is a more popular backpack than that Volt. Fit is really the most important part of this - so if you have a chance to try either on - that would be ideal.

• https://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Packs-Atmos-Backpack-Abyss/dp/B077H252N3
  
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  These poles are better than the ones you have listed:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Cascade-Mountain-Tech-Aluminum-Collapsible/dp/B01L2HYPNW
  
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  The North Face Venture jacket is more popular / recommended than the Resolve:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/North-Face-Mens-Venture-Jacket/dp/B01HQSBER6
  
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  Skip the solar charger. A USB battery pack is way more useful. Solar are just too bulky and low charge for the effort. Get 2 if you really need the power.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Compact-High-Speed-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI
  
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  Tent is really small and not a popular/quality brand. How much time will you spend sleeping in this? Every night? Have you ever slept in a 1-person bivy style shelter before? Where will your backpack go at night? I would not recommend this. If you really need to go this cheap (under $100 is SUPER low for a quality ultralight backpacking tent) - then consider Nature Hike brand. They are a knockoff Chineese company that's somewhat good.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Naturehike-Cloud-Up-Lightweight-Backpacking-Footprint/dp/B07HND44Z1
  
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  That sleeping bag is garbage. It's super bulky and not very warm. The 32F rating is a straight up lie.
  
  I recommend this bag instead:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Cosmic-Degree-Down-Sleeping/dp/B07MD224VW
  
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  You also need a sleeping pad. Not optional. Check this out:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Lite-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW
  
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  100% skip that hammer multitool. WOW is that thing bad. If you need a knife - buy a knife. You do not need a hammer for backpacking.
  
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  The headlamp is great, good choice.
  
  The stove / pot / cook kit is okay. It's a popular budget option. If you could spend a bit more there are better choices. For example:
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/TOAKS-TOA-POT-750-Titanium-750ml-Pot/dp/B009B98FGW
  
• https://www.amazon.com/MSR-PocketRocket-Ultralight-Backpacking-Camping/dp/B01N5O7551
  
• https://www.amazon.com/Optimus-8016166-Titanium-long-spoon/dp/B0045UA8G2
  
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  Don't forget TP/wipes (and a way to pack them out once used), good wool socks, dry bags / pack cover, food bag, water bottles, map, first aid, toiletries, lighter, duct tape, phone/camera, and other random items. Plus clothes of course - lots of layers!

I just finished 300 miles of the mountain to the sea trail in North Carolina.

I did it in just under a month.

I had an amazing time, and I would definitely do a long hike like that again. I think I will be more selective about the region I hike next time. I look forward forward to my next adventure!

I used injini toe sock liners underneath darn tough wool socks, and I believe this is why I didn’t have any blister/foot problems. Even after hiking with wet feet/socks/shoes for 4-6 days at a time. I highly recommend these to hikers and also to anyone doing long distance running.

I liked my backpack just fine. It’s balance when off my back was annoying. Like setting it down, it would always feel lopsided and lay on the ground in a frustrating way. But while wearing it, it was comfortable and seemed great. I grew quite fond of it.

For parts of the trail, a bear canister was required and this was a challenge with my pack and gear. Very ungraceful and will make me be more thoughtful in the future about trails I choose. I am happy not to have to deal with that canister every day now that I am done.

I used trekking poles the whole time and loved them.

I brought a kindle ereader with me and was happy to have something to wind down with in the evenings. I was able to read several books while on the trail!

My favorite pieces of gear:

accordion style seat pad

injini toe sock liners

sunscreen stick


Pack:
Osprey lumina 45

My sleep system:

Therm a rest neoair xlite torso pad

tekology inflatable pillow

I also used a synthetic quilt. I don’t have a link for it

My shelter:

single person tent

I used winter window cover treatment plastic for my footprint and was VERY IMPRESSED!! After a month, still done have any rips or noticeable wear.

Cooking system:

A lightweight cup for boiling water
Stove

A sawyer squeeze for water filtration paired with a couple smart water bottles

Great experience. Loved all my gear!

I don't think you'd find a -5C sleeping bag that will pack small enough to backpack easily for $100CAD unless you find some very good sales. You'd need to choose a synthetic and it would likely be quite bulky and heavy, or it will be rated very liberally and wouldn't keep you as warm as it says.

Personally, I wouldn't cheap out on a sleeping bag anyways. Especially in cold weather, you want to be comfortable and warm away from civilization. You can check for deals on websites, I like TheLastHunt for past season gear but the good stuff gets snapped up very quickly and there are no returns unless the product comes damaged or different than what is ordered so you need to do your research in advance.

At full price, you'd probably need to spend another $50 minimum to find something rated to keep you warm at -5C. However, if you take care of a well made sleeping bag, it should last 10+ years with little loss of loft.

You may want to consider saving up a bit more and just purchasing a nice sleeping bag. You do have something like a Coleman or a Teton brand as an option, but it's going to be absolutely massive and the temp ratings are likely not very accurate.

Personally I chose a MEC brand (the Draco -9C) down sleeping bag. They are quite a bit past your price range (even the cheapest that fits your needs is about double your range.) I also have a 2C Chinook brand bag that I got for very cheap, but it's a summer bag.

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If you want my honest opinion, don't cheap out on a cold weather sleeping bag. Other pieces of gear failing might be fine, or if you are car camping you have a safety net, but if a sleeping system fails you when backpacking, you could possibly be in a lot of trouble. If you can, spend a bit more and get something you can trust and enjoy your time in. $200-300 for something that will last you years and years is worth it.

Otherwise, buy a cheap bag and bring a whole lot of layers to sleep in and prepared to sleep quite uncomfortably and take up 50%-75% of your backpacks capacity.

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Also make sure you use a sleeping pad, as it will add a lot of warmth to your sleep system. A friend likes this one that is fairly inexpensive and robust, with a good r-value for 3season use.

I've done a lot of camping in the Catskills and harriman, and backpacking on the Appalachian trail. The lean-to's i know of in that area can only be reached by backpacking. Be wary of "car-camping" advice. Honestly you might be better off "car-camping" at Stephens State Park or Mills Norrie State Park, which are both close to harriman, and have "tent" campsites available this weekend. (reserveamerica.com)

But, if your still interested in "backpacking" to a lean-to, here's what i recommend.


Might be better off on Amazon, unless there's a storewide discount at your local REI.

https://www.rei.com/c/sleeping-bags?r=category%3Acamping-and-hiking%7Csleeping-bags-and-accessories%7Csleeping-bags&ir=category%3Asleeping-bags-and-accessories&sort=min-price

I recommend getting two of one of these bags:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Brazos-Cold-Weather-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00363V3OK

https://www.amazon.com/Semoo-Lightweight-Portable-Compress-Compression/dp/B016I9SXL4

and a 4-person dome tent:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundome-4-Person-Dome-Tent/dp/B019N9W7WC

Also, an alcohol stove kit:

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Maple-Alcohol-Backpacking-Portable-Ultra-light/dp/B01DA53MP6

https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-QKGA75003-Denatured-Alcohol-1-Quart/dp/B001FOSX9U

https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Starter-Flint-Stone-Lighter/dp/B00K5I058Y

Also, grab some Mountain House meals, they are expensive, but worth it on a first time backpacking trip. https://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=mountain+house

Check out Davis Sports Shop in Sloatsburg, ny. They've got a lot of camping gear, as well as hunting and fishing.

http://davissport.com/files/2015/03/10646840_373164796209673_7535081532103820525_n.jpg

I have become a huge fan of Coghlans gear over the years.

Good luck and have fun! :) bring star charts too :)

edit: if you want to practice making fire, this is a very safe way to do it and it is large enough to house the alcohol stove as an alternative https://www.amazon.com/WoodFlame-Lightweight-Burning-Backpacking-Stainless/dp/B01BPUEGNK

Check out this guy: https://www.amazon.com/ALPS-Mountaineering-Lynx-1-Person-Tent/dp/B00BMKD1DU/

It's lighter (just under 4 Lb), it's listed as JUST too wide for your bag, but do you think you can squish it in? It's lighter, cheaper, really well reviewed, and a much bigger floor space. Your tent only has 20 sq feet!

Listed as 6"x17.5" so the volume works, may just need some re-configuring? Ditch the stuff sack.

I have a tent which is almost exactly these dimensions and man, I love it. I backpack, so it has room for my sleep pad, stuff next to me (water, phone charger), room for my pack at the end by my feet, and I never ever feel cramped. It sucks to be unconstrained by weight (motorcycle) and still sleeping like you're UL hiking. It's heavy, so it's not my ultra-light setup, but it takes literally 45 seconds to set up camp.

edit: You can get the Static V insulated for cheaper. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Klymit-Insulated-Static-V-Sleeping-Pad-06IVOr01C-/191504068900 $62.76 right from the manufacturer - it's a great pad. I have the regular and the insulated as my only sleep pad (side sleeper, wide dude), just switch out based on weather. You have the best in price/class product there.

edit2: This could be had for $90 if you're an REI member, or can find one who will let you use their coupon. https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/110867/kelty-dualist-22-sleeping-bag

This one is 8x13: https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Tuck-Degree-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00NFCFIR0/ref=sr_1_14?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1491157929&sr=1-14&keywords=20+degree+sleeping+bag

Can't really speak to any of those specific bags, but if price is a primary concern it looks like you can do all around a little better, especially if that tent can fit. I think youll have a much comfier trip.

Pack seems good. Your largest weight savings would be your sleep system and shelter system, followed by dropping unnecessary items and swapping out some clothing for lighter versions.

1. Quilt option examples: Nunatak Arc 20 ($360, ~21.2oz, https://nunatakusa.com/nunatak-premium-quilts/106-arc-ul-2010f.html, Arc 10 adds about 5oz), EE Enigma Custom 10 850 Charcoal 10D outside Orange 7D inside ($320, ~21.09oz, https://enlightenedequipment.com/enigma-custom/, 950 down option adds about $85 and drops 2oz), or Thermarest Vesper 20 Quilt ($380, 19oz, http://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer, 950 down included, street date 2019Q1).
   
2. Sleeping pad upgrade: Thermarest NeoAir XLite ($170, often on sale for less, 12oz, rvalue 3.2, https://www.amazon.com/Therm-a-rest-NeoAir-XLite-Regular-Marigold/dp/B00PZL14EK/). You can pair this with a GG Thinlight 1/8 foam pad ($18, 3oz) https://www.gossamergear.com/collections/sleeping-pads/products/thinlight-foam-pad, and then ditch sit pad and anything else. Between these two you have redundancy, a sit pad, and plenty of warmth value added to the quilt selections above. Another option that is coming in 2019Q1 is the Thermarest NeoAir Uberlite ($180, 8.8oz, rvalue 2.0, https://www.cleverhiker.com/blog/17-exciting-new-backpacking-products-from-outdoor-retailer), which combined with the GG 1/8" pad would still have nice warmth, and come in at less than 12z total for 2 sleep pads (which also provides more versatility in future if you want to ditch one or the other at any given time).
   
3. Shelter system upgrade: there are a ton of options based on how much space you need, if you want a fully enclosed tent, a simple tarp setup, etc. Popular tent option with lots of space but still not much cost would be something like Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2, at 31oz carried weight (2 person tent, $350 MSRP). Lighter but more expensive options can get you down under 20oz (like the ZPacks stuff, but be prepared to spend, and they are not as bombproof). Tarps can range from 5-19oz, depending on material, size, etc., but don't offer as much protection from bugs and weather.
   
4. Puffy options are all over the place. Most popular one here for weight to cost and happiness seems to be MH Ghost Whisperer. The hooded version rings in around 7.5-8.3oz depending on your size, and can often be found for $175-250 depending on colorway (MSRP $350, but they are always available cheaper year round if you price shop). That coat packs down to nothing in your bag and maintains decent resale value if you want to sell it later to grab something else.
   
5. For your clothing system, consider how much extra stuff you will often need if you just layer a few key items, and then you can trim down from there. That is why everyone will tell you to ditch X or Y from your packed clothing. Carry stuff that is multipurpose and works well layered together, and you don't need to carry much. The only duplicates that are worthwhile for most people are an extra pair of socks to rotate, and an extra pair of underwear to rotate if you're washing on the trail as you go. You can sub in something like a Patagonia Capilene Lightweight Long Sleeve ($50, 3.5oz, https://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-capilene-lightweight-crew/45641.html), and then ditch the 2 extra shirts you're carrying, saving about a pound for example. That would allow you to have a shirt to rotate or sleep in, or layer up underneath your main shirt if colder (it also dries extremely fast if it gets wet).
   Those changes alone should drop you down to 3-4lbs before you do anything else to dial in setup more (like add in a small first aid kit with leukotape, ibuprofen, etc.), subtract camp shoes, possibly add trekking pole or two, etc.

The lack of a hood for me has turned out to be a nice bonus because my balaclava or beanie or puffy jacket hood keeps me warmer than a mummy hood and when I turn from side to side, it turns with my head while the quilt stays put and I'm not breathing into the hood. My Katabatic seals out drafts along the edges and around my neck really well so I can stay toasty warm down into the mid-20's in my 30F Palisade. If I want to stick my arm out and rest my head on my bicep, I just wear my puffy jacket and gloves so the arm stays warm (same thing I'd have to do if I stuck my arm out of a mummy).

Some people have a preference for mummies though, particularly if you really are getting down to 10F. There might be a mummy model designed with extra room to bend your legs, or maybe you could have a company like Nunatak custom make one for you. I'm not super familiar with which models may fit your criteria.

If you're still thinking about trying a quilt, and can get over not having an integrated hood, Katabatic is going to be the best for those low temps. If you want an open footbox model that can be used as a blanket, their Flex models are awesome. They have a brilliantly designed draft blocker for when the foot is cinched closed, overstuff in the foot area, as well as the elastic hem that sucks the edges under you, differential cut which prevents cold spots, a draft collar around the neck, really great pad attachment system, the fabric feels really nice on the skin and not clammy like a lot of other cottage quilts. Their temp rating is about 10F warmer than most other companies, so most 10F quilts would be similar to the Katabatic 22F. I have a standard width but you may want to consider a wide just so you make sure you have that room you're wanting.

Whichever direction you go, I hope you find something that works well for you!

Thanks! I’ll check out that trail. I’m hoping to do a few hikes through the spring/summer to prep for the hike and go from there to see if I’ll be confident in doing the hike.

I plan on doing at least 2 over night hikes to test my gear... which I have yet to buy but will purchase the things I need in the new year (you never know I may change my mind and that’s a lot of gear to buy)... I found the following online...

sleeping bag, pillow, tent, cook set, backpack , and cooking stove

Of course I’ll have my clothing, food and toiletries. I’m hoping to be as lightweight as possible. Any gear suggestions would be great, I’m also ok with crossing the boarder to get a good deal... I’m a Winnipeger after all, I’m cheap! Lol

I've got this pillow and it's frankly awesome. I'd use it at home if I wasn't afraid of our cats clawing it. I've used it on airplanes, during trips, etc. and it's really really comfy (and packs up tiny!).

Tarps work, but they're heavy and take up lots of room. The actual hammock rain-flys aren't all that much quieter really, but they do help you go further while carrying a pack. Honestly, a tarp would probably be more useful for a range of things (since you can throw it on the ground and walk on it, use it to move leaves, or drag/cover firewood, etc).

But most of my experience is just multi-day hiking, so I haven't had much experience trying to set up camp with a tarp outside of car camping. They work great for that! Though the only time I've had an opportunity to use a hammock while car camping, I've always also had an ez-up so I just drag that over the hammock because I'm lazy and like the extra room.

I was at Death Valley a few weeks ago backpacking the Cottonwood-Marble Canyon Loop.

We camped at about 1,000 ft. elevation the first night and had temperatures in the low 40s. The second day we ascended to a little over 2,000 ft elevation. We actually saw some snow/ice even during the day time. On this day, we camped at about 2,500ft and temperatures were in the mid to low 30s during the night. According to the ranger we spoke to at Stovepipe Wells, temperature lows were in the mid 20s at 3500-4000ft of elevation.

My gear included a 30 degree Marmot sleeping bag, with this sleeping bag liner. I slept wearing the following:

A body-hugging liner, t-shirt, sweater and a light hoodie and then slipped into my sleeping-bag liner and sleeping bag. With all of these layers, I was comfortable - but just barely. I slept well, but at one point, my hands were out of the sleeping bag and they got really cold in 20min. Had the temperature been lower by even 5 degrees, I don't think I'd have been able to sleep.

Having said that, with your planned gear, I think you are adequately prepared. December is pretty much the coldest month for DV, with Feb being warmer by about 10 degrees.

See: http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/weather.htm

Keep in mind that this is shaping up to be a colder than usual winter for CA, so those temperature averages are slightly on the higher side.
I'm going back to DV in January and expect to be more warmer than I was in December, even if just slightly. If you'd like, I can give you an update after my trip, but for a final source of truth, you should call DV and talk to a ranger a week before your trip.

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> 6'x8' Arrowhead Equipment silnylon tarp pitched low over my poles and affixed via 6.5" titanium stakes (unsure if these'll work in the desert or if I'll have to look around for rocks to pile over them...)

Your luck with stakes depends a lot on the terrain which changes a lot (also depends heavily on where in DV you are - it's huge!). Out first night, the ground was too rocky to dig stakes in, so we used rocks. The second night, we were able to dig in stakes. Both days were fairly windy (I'd estimate 20-30mph winds in the night). The first night when we were unable to dig stakes in, the tent was blowing around quite a lot while we were eating food etc. and not in the tent.

Feel free to ask me any other questions I can help you with.

Where do you sit when there aren't stumps and rocks? How do you illuminate your campsite when you can't build a fire? If you're a side sleeper and a light packer, where do you put your head?

A shovel serves very little purpose when the same can be done with a stick. You're making a poop hole, not a fox hole. I've never seen someone bring a shovel hiking for that purpose.

This is my electric lantern. It's less than 4" tall and puts out a lot of light. With cordage, you can hang it over your campsite and have an overhead light. Especially useful when camping where there are fire bans (which is very common for me). I don't think another tool can recreate this, so it's a necessity imo.

An inflatable pillow like this weighs less than 3 oz and packs up to the size of a shot glass. Pretty much non-existent in a pack and is a must-have for me.

A camp chair is certainly a luxury item, but the one I use weighs about 1 lb. I am able to squeeze it where trekking poles would go if I packed them. You make a fair point about this one, but if there isn't anything to sit on where you camp, then it's a pretty necessary thing to have. It's a little redundant since I bring a hammock, but there's no guarantee I'll be able to find trees that I can hang a hammock on in camp. And you'd be very lucky to stumble across a few perfect sitting stumps or large rocks at a backwoods campsite.

Those items hardly even compare to a shovel in terms of bulk and usefulness.

They don't really add warmth, that's what the sleeping bag is for. You'll be warmer with one than without it, but you'd get the same amount of warmth by adding another layer. There are some that add more warmth than others like this S2S one. But using that money for the proper sleeping bag is a much better idea, especially since it weighs as much as some sleeping bags.

I would just look for the fabric you want if you want something comfortable between you and your bag to keep it clean. I find that they aren't necessary unless you're really getting dirty without access to any water or change of clothes, like desert camping/overlanding.

You don't need everything at once. It can get pricey and if you don't know for sure that you will like an all-nighter in a hammock I wouldn't go too crazy to start.

You won’t need a mummy sleeping bag if you get an UQ. It’s more of a pain to get in and out with a sleeping bag anyway. No pics right now but this is what I have. I live in Texas so it isn’t cold all the time but I travel to surrounding states to go climbing and hiking and it has all kept me dry, bug free, and toasty down into the 30’s. I’m cheap and haven’t gone with the top name brands but this setup works perfectly for my needs. It wasn’t all bought at once and some stuff you could choose to go even cheaper and DIY. Spent less than $250.

•Grand Truck Ultra-Light Hammock-$20 amazon http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Trunk-Ultralight-Hammock-Royal/dp/B001AIBJNS/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1406917536&sr=1-1&keywords=grand+trunk+ultralight+hammock

•Grand Trunk Hammock Mozzy Netting-$50 amazon. Price is higher now. I prefer this one over others because it has a floor. So much easier to get in and out without bugs slipping in. And a place for you’re your shoes, pack, whatever, on the ground without creepy crawlies climbing in. Worth the added weight to me. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005TOR6RW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

•3 Season Jarbidge Underquilt – Pd $100 KAQ Arrowhead Equipment, sale right now for $75

•Marlin Spike Hitch Whoopie Sling Kit (toggles, slings, straps)-pd $20, Arrowhead Equipment , sale right now for $15

•Just bought ridgeline today when buying another whoopie sling kit for my other hammock and water filters from their sale. If you get the kit, you can get a ridgeline for an additional $10

•For cooler nights, Texsport Fleece Sleeping bag-$10 Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001916XG4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

•Plain blue tarp- maybe $10? Almost never use unless rain is anticipated.

Smallest, most lightweight option is a quilt like the other guy said. They're much less claustrophobic than bags and they vent super easily. Very nice to sleep in, especially in non-freezing weather.

If you want the absolute cheapest option in bag form, I have had decent luck with my Teton Sports Trailhead from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/TETON-TrailHead-Ultralight-Lightweight-Backpacking/dp/B00TZRPQFI/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2MSKHRQTF5PN0&keywords=teton+sports+sleeping+bags&qid=1568212009&s=gateway&sprefix=teton+sport%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-3

I've been out in freezing weather with it and it does pretty well for how cheap and small it is. I'd give it a comfort rating of maybe 35 degrees and a "survival" rating of about 20, maybe 15 degrees.

Yeah, I ended up doing more research on the tents because to be quite honest I just picked a random one. How does this one look? https://www.amazon.com/Mountainsmith-Morrison-Person-Season-Citron/dp/B00452C2IC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502773753&sr=8-1&keywords=mountainsmith+morrison+2 This was on a list of budget lightweight backpacking tent options and it seems decent enough.

On the matter of sleeping bags, does this one seem alright? https://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Alpine-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B002H10PW8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1502774144&sr=8-1&keywords=Suisse+Sport+Alpine+Adult+Mummy+Double+Layer+Sleeping+Bag This is another one I found on a list of budget options for sleeping bags.

I'll definitely buy that sleeping pad, that seems like a lot of value for not much more price.


Thanks for your help!

I've been doing A LOT of research over the past few months. I apply ultralight principles to my decision making, but also factor in quality of life and durability. I'm testing out different items (mostly clothing) on long day hikes in preparation for backpacking. Still collecting my gear. A lot of people will cringe at the below, but here are some things on sale that I picked up recently.

Altra Lone Peak 4 Trail-Running Shoes $89.99 (25% off) I hiked 10 miles yesterday never having worn zero-drop shoes before, these felt great despite that! Zero problems. I do hear a lot of durability issues...

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Long-Sleeve Shirt $40.99 (25% off)

Columbia Silver Ridge Lite Plaid Long-Sleeve Shirt $44.99 (25% off)

Sawyer Squeeze Water Filter System for $29.89 (25% off) Darwin noted that the blue inline adapter can be used to back flush in the field. Place the sports cap of a clean water bottle against the blue inline adapter screwed to the Sawyer.

Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles $97.39 (25% off)

Native Eyewear Wells Polarized Sunglasses (gray lenses) $79.19 (20% off)

Buff CoolNet UV+ Multifunctional Headwear $17.99 (25% off)

Outdoor Research ActiveIce Spectrum Sun Gloves $18.69 (25% off)

Outdoor Research Sun Runner Cap $26.99 (25% off)

Patagonia Strider Pro Running Shorts - Men's 5" Inseam $48.29 (30% off)

Patagonia Nine Trails Shorts - Men's 8" Inseam $45.49 (30% off)

REI Co-op Multi Towel Lite (small) $6.89 (30% off)

Helinox Chair Zero $89.89 (25% off) Burn me at the stake, I know.

I also picked up some GOOD TO-GO, Backpackers Pantry and AlpineAir meals to try out. These are all 20% off.

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I also found some items on sale at CampSaver, but found similar deals on other sites:

Sea to Summit Mosquito Head Net - Insect Shield $9.71 (25% off)

MSR Ground Hog Stakes $2.21 (25% off) 3 for Zpacks Duplex vestibules (only 2 required).

MSR Mini Ground Hog Stakes $1.88 (25% off) 7 for Zpacks Duplex tent body and guy lines (only 6 required).

Thermarest NeoAir XTherm Sleeping Pad (large) $179.96 (25% off) Yes, this is 8 ounces heavier than a regular XLite.

Evernew Titanium Ul Stacking Set $53.19 (~20% off) This is an outlet item and I used the SVSP2020 promo coupon code. I chose these pots because I want a stacking set, plus it will fit my Soto WindMaster stove.

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The Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad (regular) is $118.95 (30% off) at these sites:

Backcountry Edge

Backcountry

Amazon

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Edit: Corrected a misspelling and explained how the Sawyer inline adapter can be used to back flush.

Klymit static v is the best buy of the inflatables

The Z-lite Sol - regular is on sale here is the best buy of the foam pads. Naturehike knockoff

My recommendations on what to look for: Comfort supercedes weight in my opinion. Get whatever setup you need to sleep well. If you are a side or stomach sleeper, I recommend a wide pad. Wide pads start to be a problem when you have to put them side by side in a smaller tent. Warm pad is also helpful. We spend hundreds for a down bag to keep the top and sides of us warm... then spend dollars to keep the bottom of us warm. The problem is in the metrics. R value for pads, vs temp ratings for bags. Pads should be (and easily could be) temp rated like bags. I recommend a warmer/heavier pad for the most versatility because you are most likely to be camping in cold conditions where it matters, more than warm conditions where it doesn't.

For the heavier/taller people or side/roller sleepers this mat is 30inches wide and 76 inches long. It weighs about 2 pounds (ouch) but you might want to add a pound for this comfort range. Klymit static v luxe insulated. It also comes in a lighter uninsulated version.

20 inches wide is not wide enough in my opinion. If you can sleep like a mummy on your back with your arms crossed above you, then 20 inches is fine. Other than that... measure yourself... you'll find you are wider than 20 inches. This will lend you to balancing precariously on your pad.

For 3 season car camping? No way.

• Sleeping Bag - $30.25 - that'll get you down to 30-50 degrees. I saw a 5º rated bag on Amazon for under $40. Or for you, here's an extra long 30º bag for $33.99
  
• 3 person dome tent - $49.99 - plenty of space for a couple and their gear.
  
  That's literally all the specialized gear you need for camping, and it's Coleman stuff which isn't high end but it lasts just fine. Everything else you can find around the house—a knife (any will do), some matches, sunscreen, and bug repellant. OK, if you never go outside you might need to buy those last two. You don't need to buy a first aid kit. You have basic medical supplies around the house, right? Toss a few of each item in a ziplock.
  
  I've just outfitted two people for $110 without even shopping around. If you want extra comfort, add an air mattress for $40 tops (unless you can borrow one or already have one for guests). You're still at less than the cost of two nights in most hotels.
  
  Granted, if you want to do backpacking you're going to want to invest in some lighter weight items. But for car camping? No need, the cheap stuff does fine.

Yes an underquilt and top quilt combo takes the place of a sleeping bag. If you already have a sleeping bag unzip 3/4 of the way it and use it like a blanket in place of a top quilt.

I have yet to try out an underquilt, I use this inflatable sleeping pad under me in the hammock.

I also have the yukon outfitters rainfly and I used it last month during a large thunderstorm and torrential downpour and it worked great. You just need to make sure to pitch your tarp pretty low over the hammock because the diamond shape leaves the ends a little more exposed than I'd like.

As a big side sleeper, I found this remarkably comfortable. It's not self-inflating, but takes less than a minute to blow up. Although it's thin I've never bottomed out: the V shape does an excellent job of support. It's the best camping pad/mattress I've ever used, including ones that are much thicker. I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

The ursack seems appealing. Do you know if that cuts it on a camp that requires a bearcan? Thats the only reason I bought one otherwise I always just tie my food. Honestly im pretty disappointed in myself for making the purchase without reqlizing the size but this is the pad :

Lightspeed Outdoors Warmth Series...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F7WEQYG?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

R value of 9.8 and a cheap price made me jump but the size is absurd. After spending heavy on the bag and bear can I was ready for that deal, the pads amazing. But you could almost just keep it in your truck as a bed for the back.

Do you need it for backpacking? Or just car camping?

If it's car camping then just get a flannel bag which would run you less than $45.

If it's backpacking then the cost will be higher due to materials.

• The Marmot Mavericks 40 is a good choice, but at the top of your degree range. You can always wear warm layers to bring the comfort level down.
  
• The Trestle is a nice bag for the price, but is BIG. So like you've heard it bulky and heavy
  
• The Cosmic Down provides a bag with a hood and down. Which is why it's more expensive than the Mavericks.
  

Hands down the best option for that price and temp range is going to be the kelty cosmic down 20. Its $124 for the long, which i recommend for stuffing clothes and water into so you have warm stuff in the morning unless you're very petite. It is comfortable in the teens with proper clothing on, and in warmer weather above 40F you can unzip it all the way and use it like a blanket.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014JQA9VU/ref=twister_B015GXSU3E?th=1&psc=1

EDIT: Forgot to say the long with included stuff sack comes in right at 3lbs.

I've had the same Slumberjack sleeping bag for 20 years, and it still keeps me warm in 20 degree weather. I recently upgraded to a Kelty Tuck bag, simply because the zipper on my old bag was finally starting to go and due to it's sentimental value, I refuse to get rid of it, or let it break.

As for pads, I've gone thru a couple, but the Therm-a-Rest Trail Lite I currently have is my favorite. My buddy has an AirRail system from REI that he loves as well.

Also worth considering of you want to save some money:
https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-light-Windproof-Waterproof-Sleeping-Compression/dp/B074XG7T64/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=down%2Bhood&qid=1554660418&s=gateway&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1

I just got mine and it's great. Surprisingly lofty and nice construction. I swapped out the cordlocks because the ones that come with it are excessively large. 2.3 oz

If you're wanting to sleep on the ground and not in luxury, this would be your best option. Make sure to buy the insulated version.

Match it up with a brand name double sleeping bag like the Big Agnes Dream Island and you're good to go. Just don't forget pillows!

I would look at things like these....and as other said, I would go for something tougher, and inexpensive. If you can find one for really short people, that will save $$ also, because bridging scouts tends to be under 5 feet tall. It will only last a few years, but it will be cheaper. By the time he is an older scout he will learn to take care of his equipment better, too.

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https://www.rei.com/product/107472/marmot-trestles-0-sleeping-bag

https://www.rei.com/product/896030/kelty-cosmic-down-0-sleeping-bag

https://www.amazon.com/Ledge-Sports-Youth-Degree-Sleeping/dp/B006BA5OKO/ref=sr_1_1?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1540474205&sr=1-1&keywords=sleeping+bag&refinements=p_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A2991230011%2Cp_n_feature_eleven_browse-bin%3A13951142011

https://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Ultralight-Mummy-Sleeping/dp/B00Z77AMOA/ref=sr_1_7?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1540474274&sr=1-7&keywords=sleeping+bag&refinements=p_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A2991230011%2Cp_n_feature_eleven_browse-bin%3A13951142011%7C13951141011

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Maybe this isn't quite the cold weather bag you're looking for, but the Suisse Sport Alpine Adult Mummy Double Layer Sleeping Bag has worked great for me. I've used it backpacking in 30F weather and was nice and warm.

I've also got a Kelty Cosmic 20. Bought the older model for around $120. It's got a little synthetic mixed in with the down, but beefier fabric and zipper than the current model. Definitely toasty down to freezing without clothes. Haven't used it in winter, but I imagine you'd be fine with the right layers. They also make a 0F bag for a little more weight/money. The 20 isn't the best anything, but is a great value.

https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Sleeping-Regular-Paradise-Twilight/dp/B014JQA9VU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=kelty%2Bcosmic%2B0&qid=1565576140&s=gateway&sr=8-3&th=1&psc=1

No problem! The Klymit Static V sleeping pad is a popular budget choice and it looks like CampSaver has it for about $45. It's going to be warmer than that Amazon one (I assume, because the Amazon one doesn't list an R value at all). But maybe someone else around has some experience with it that they can chime in with. Personally, I would not skimp on the sleeping pad. Looks like Amazon has the insulated Klymit Static V pretty reasonably, too. That brings your R value up to 4.4 for only $40 more.

Sounds like you're prepping for a summer of camping! One thing I would definitely recommend is an inflatable sleeping pad. I didn't use one for over 10 years and started to use one 2 years ago... total game changer. I recommended the 3 products below to my brother for the holidays. If I were buying my gear again, this is probably where I would start. Won't break the bank and all really decent quality.

sleeping pad:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008O6JIXM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


tent:

https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-40813415-Yellowstone-2-Tent/dp/B00NFCFYRE/ref=sr_1_11?srs=2594700011&ie=UTF8&qid=1480521656&sr=8-11&keywords=tent


sleeping bag:

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-TrailHead-Ultralight-Sleeping-Backpacking/dp/B00TZRPQFI/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1480523851&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A2991229011%2Cp_89%3ATeton%2BSports&th=1

I use this [Sleeping Bag] (http://www.amazon.com/Suisse-Sport-Alpine-Double-Sleeping/dp/B002H10PW8) as I'm also on a budget. It's super cheap and weighs about 3 lbs. which isn't horrible considering the temp rating and price. Don't be fooled though, this off-brand 5 degree rating is much more like a solid 20 degree rating, if that.

As far as tents go, ditch it a and use two 3mil tarps instead, much more versatile and can be a lot lighter depending on your skill setting it up and desired coverage. Personally, I use a Noah's Tarp from Kelty and a hammock from ENO (both fairly cheap and light) and I'll never go back to sleeping on the ground.

http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Tuck-Degree-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00NFCFIR0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457712055&sr=8-1&keywords=kelty+tuck

Toss in a few bucks more and get a Tuck, EN rated, 3lbs exactly, compresses okay, not super well but okay. Can open up the footbox which reallly expands its temp range, pretty nice for under a 100.

Well, not quite under 2 oz but this one is super cheap and quite comfy. The surface is decently comfy but stick a Buff over it and it's even better.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071FQJV82/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

I have the Teton Sports Tracker 5 degree (I'll attach the amazon link) and it's worked wonders. I've used it in the Sierras and slept outside under the stars (on a cheap ground pad made in the 80's that has a hole in it and will lose it's air in an hour) and kept me plenty warm when it was 30 degrees outside and snow right next to us! I've also used it to summit Mt. Langley in the sierras when the nights got down to mid 20's and I slept soundly. Overall a great bag, especially for the price. Also fits in my Osprey pack's sleeping bag compartment and is super small when compacted. Might be a little warm in over 50 degree weather, but I like to sleep with minimal clothing so it's very compatible with that sleep style. Plus you can use it for colder nights as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Tracker-Degree-Ultralight-Sleeping/dp/B00DDP3DZ8/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1408076594&sr=1-1&keywords=teton+5+degree+sleeping+bag

I'm going deep in to the woods. We are going to stay in awesome hammocks and we will be wrapped in fleece sleeping bags. We will also bring a water filtration system so we can drink from the spring rather than lugging water with us. After all, lugging a cooler or four full of beer and whiskey will be enough of a task for us.

I'm so excited that the weather is getting better that I have super duper camping on my mind. :)

My standard good-but-reasonably cheap sleeping bag recommendation is the Kelty Cosmic 20. There are obviously better sleeping bags out there by just about any single metric, but it's a pretty good compromise of performance, cost, quality, and size.

Sea to Summit Aeros Pillow
Love this pillow. I've got wide shoulders and I'm a side sleeper. I have the large and it fits me great.

Super awesome lightweight inflatable pillow.

Teton Sports has a range of sleeping bags that would fit your needs.

• Altos is a down mummy bag rated for 0°F for $170
  
• Leef is synthetic mummy bag rated for 0°F for $75, or 20°F for $75
  
• Tracker synthetic mummy bag rated for 5°F for $67
  
• They even make double bags if you aren't travelling alone.
  
  I have a Polara rectangular bag (I like the extra space for me feet) that has a fleece liner that I took on a scout camp that kept me warm down to 15°F. We picked up an Evergreen bag for less than $50 on Black Friday.
  
  I like Teton sports because they have a lifetime warranty on their stuff, and they are a local company based out of Utah. They also make decent backpacks and pillows.

The MSR HH NX is a very nice tent, very well made and livable. It is kinda narrow though. Overall, I really enjoy using it when conditions aren't right for a hammock.

2015 Wishlist:

TAR Xtherm

Osprey Exos 58

MH Ghost Whisperer

STS Aeros Premium Pillow

Geigerrig Hydration Bladder

Also in the market for a decent camera if anyone has any suggestions?

I have this one thats super comfortable:
Lightspeed Outdoors Warmth Series Self Inflating Sleep Camp Pad (3.0) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F7WEQYG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_4V00Db2A4BC0C

Sharing a bedroom isn't ideal, but as long as there is a bathroom for privacy (and something padded to sleep on, it seems fine for weekends.

[This one is more for car camping.] (https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Celsius-Sleeping-Compression-Included/dp/B006IYCSES)

[I know a couple people that have this one and love it, it's also good if you wanted to start backpacking.] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DDP3DZ8/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478263402&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=teton+sports+sleeping+bag&dpPl=1&dpID=318QzX6rESL&ref=plSrch)

In my experience, for the price, Teton Sports has made quality gear for people who're just getting into this stuff.

Klymit double V insulated 2 person pad $83.45 Amazon

Klymit Insulated Double V Sleeping Pad, 2 Person, Double Wide (47 inches), Lightweight Comfort for Car Camping, Two Person Tents, Travel, and Backpacking https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N28PUYX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_l.NHDb9FBHY56

Bought the double bag from Costco for me and my gf, that arrives Tuesday. It’s easier to convince her to camp when we are sleeping together. Bag - $129

https://www.costco.com/Klymit-2-person-Synthetic-Fill-Sleeping-Bag.product.100487976.html

If you don't mind, would you take a look at this bag:

Hyke & Byke Down Sleeping Bag for Backpacking – Quandary 15 Degree F Ultralight, Ultra Compact Down Filled 3 Season Men’s and Women’s Lightweight Mummy Bags https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078RF3KBH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_4y1ZBbC1H2TPR

and this liner:

Sea to Summit - Reactor Extreme - Thermolite Mummy Liner, One Size, Red https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2z1ZBbA0B6HFC

(Sorry for the formatting.) How can I tell if the liner will fit in the short bag? Do they seem an adequate weight for backpacking? Thanks!

With shipping taken into account (amazon has free shipping for this item, massdrop doesn't), these are within a dollar or so of being the same price as amazon. When the mass drop gathers 30 people, the price will drop and it will indeed be cheaper than amazon by around $10. For me, the $10 isn't worth waiting for the massdrop shipment. I've been researching sleeping bags and have decided on purchasing the cosmic 20 long. Just posting my price findings for anyone interested :) https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Cosmic-Degree-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B014JQA9VU?th=1

I use one of the lightspeed ones for car camping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F7WEQYG/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

More comfortable than my thermarest NeoAir and I was comfortable in the mid 30's. Haven't tried colder.

I use

Trekology DREAMER COMFORT Ultralight Inflating Travel / Camping Air Pillows (green) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071FQJV82/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_-rLVAbDJESMR5

It's pretty cheap $15 and only 2.75 ounces. I've only used it twice, but I really like it so far

I've been using a Teton Leef 0° bag for about a year now, and it's working out great. About $80 on Amazon right now. Kept me plenty warm in the San Juans last fall.

Teton Sports LEEF -18C Ultralight Mummy Sleeping Bag https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z77AMOA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_svi6Ab0MYF4PS

Looks goofy, but my head was getting cold in my sleeping bag on my winter trips and decided to get this down hood. My buddies make fun of me, but my head is toasty at night when it reached single digits (upper wisconsin).

https://www.amazon.com/WIND-HARD-Ultra-light-Waterproof-Compression/dp/B074XG7T64/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=down+hood&qid=1573760580&sr=8-4

I don't have any experiences with these sleeping bags, but I have this one which is incredibly cheap and very warm for the price point.

Hopefully someone will come along who can actually comment on the ones you've found though :).

Trekology DREAMER COMFORT Ultralight Inflating Travel / Camping Air Pillows (orange) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072M4M4VT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_1zPWAbVZV5T5S

These often go on lightning deal for $11-13. Good pillows and comparable to higher end versions.

Take warm sleep wear, and if you go for a bag that's not so great in the cold, consider getting an inner bag (eg. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Summit-Thermolite-Reactor-Sleeping/dp/B003BIT004/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540760794&sr=8-3-fkmr2&keywords=sea+to+summit+inner+bag) which just goes inside the sleeping bag and helps keep you warm and the bag cleaner inside.

If you have time to wait try camelcamelcamel.com . I was able to create an alert when the xlite dropped below a certain price on amazon and I was able to buy it for $99 last month.

I got a Kelty Tuck 22 Degree Sleeping Bag that I recently used in upper-20 degree weather and stayed plenty warm (thermal bottoms and 2 layers on top with a balaclava). It's synthetic and the weight is pretty good...only caveat is it does not come with it's own compression sack

Things I've bought on Amazon and highly recommend:

• Toilet seat covers, because port-a-potty:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004I58E7E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
  
  
• Inexpensive, high quality sleeping bag and tent (have lasted me years of camping):
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00363V534/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004J2GUOU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
  
  
• Earplugs, for sleeping or general quiet time:
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001EPQ3H4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
  
  
• Earplugs, for shows (They come on a string, which makes all the difference for not losing them):
  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0044DEESS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Lightweight-Sleeping-Coyote-Sand/dp/B00BZ3C900/ref=sr_1_1?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1468332134&sr=1-1&keywords=Klymit+Static

That sleeping pad is a really great entry level pad. You won't regret it.

I got one of these, works great. There are tons of similar items on amazon.

Just get an inexpensive summer weight sleeping bag rectangular not mummy, and unzip it all the way so it makes a blanket. Be sure to get flannel lined, or it will keep slipping off your bed.

An excellent trick for car camping too by the way. Cover a not-warm-enough mummy bag with an unzipped rectangular bag as a quilt.

I found one on amazon for $35 as well. Hope this helps.

Klymit 9005496 Static V Lightweight Sleeping Pad, Coyote-Sand https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BZ3C900/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_p0kuDbJ1CPHSJ

Something like a double insulated sleeping pad. Or two singles side by side. The insulated pads that have r-value of 4 or more can help you stay comfy when it's cold.

I've got a core enchantments pass for the 15th of October. I'm concerned! I bought my wife a 0 degree Asolo bag, but it came and is HUGE. I was referred to this one: http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Tracker-Degree-Ultralight-Sleeping/dp/B00DDP3DZ8/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top which i may replace it with. Essentially, you're at such an elevation that snow is possible any time of year. Pack accordingly.

They have the green Klymit V for $33. Not ultralight per se, but cheap for a pretty decent pad.

Hey, try this sleeping bag instead
Its 70 dollars cheaper .5 lbs heavier and packs down to the same size as the one you chose. Also when a bag says 20 degrees, it means survivable and that temperature. The comfort zone is usualy 10-15 above what the bag is rated at.

For the stove, I think it'd be easier, cheaper, and lighter to make a cat stove and use yellow HEET as fuel.

I use an insulated sleeping inflatable pad with a 0 degree mummy style sleeping bag. I slept in 30 degree weather snugged as a baby. That pad in the hammock literally makes it a better sleep than my bed at home. ;)

Down is expensive and is something I would wait to invest in. Synthetic sleeping bags are a great alternative if you go to the right brand. Here is the link for the [http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NFCFIR0/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1459392411&sr=8-3&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=mountain+hardwear+sleeping+bag&dpPl=1&dpID=31U2onCZmtL&ref=plSrch](Kelty Tuck 22). Kelty is a great introduction brand known for its quality and reliability while not breaking the budget. While it isn't the lightest it will keep you warm and not break your back (or the bank). I never owned this but from a quick look at the reviews they all seem positive enough for your first go if it.


Edit: Sorry shitty link job. On mobile.

NeoAir Xlite is extremely popular and on sale right now over at amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1521837547&sr=1-1&keywords=NeoAir+XLite

How small does that one get after being compressed? I bought this one
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002H10PW8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
but I feel like its too big for backpacking.

I just recently bought this [Teton Bag] (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00Z77AMOA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I took it down to 0 degrees celcius in a hammock in boxers and was completely comfortable. It's rated to 0 Fahrenheit.

The camping gear is where things get murky. On the one hand, I have sufficient equipment for the conditions, but there's a weight/bulk issue. This is my tent it weighs next to nothing and is a cinch to attach to the backpack, even with a tarp included. As for sleeping bag/bed roll, that's where I'm having difficulty making a decision. My sleeping bag which is only rated for about 30-40 degrees F, or this combined with a blanket that is essentially two canvas sheets sewn together without filling. The fleece and canvas blanket are a little bit lighter but much less bulky, than the army bag, however, there may be times when I really wish I had the army bag. I also have a mylar blanket.

I use this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071FQJV82/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I had bought a cheaper inflatable pillow but it was just uncomfortable. Your mileage may vary, but I refuse to sacrifice a good nights sleep to save an ounce or two. I also have the Nemo Disco sleeping bag which is made for side sleepers over the traditional mummy bag. It weighs a little more, but I can toss and turn, roll over on my stomach, or sleep on my side.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TZRPQFI/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Depends how cold you need but we have tent-camped in these in 35-40 degrees in total comfort (wear a hat)

Klymit Insulated Static V LITE 4-Season Sleeping Pad

Just got mine yesterday. Under your price limit, Incase you don't find a used one. Another option is the Paria Outdoor Products 'UL' sleeping pad. It's pretty decent too.

I really like the MEC Reactor 6.5 Double or the Klymit Static V Insulated Double.

Could spend it on my recommended pad. https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Season-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1526253297&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=klymit&psc=1

I know this sub loves this one, which is thicker (more comfy maybe then) than the Klymit, but its R value is lower https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL15OY/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1526253438&sr=8-8&keywords=thermarest&th=1

FYI to all, the regular NeoAir Xlite is on Amazon for $119 right now. This is within four dollars of the lowest price Amazon has sold it for within the past eight months.

Klymit Insulated Static V LITE
4.4 R-value, Packed Weight: 19.6 Ounces; Packed Size: 5" x 8"; Inflated Size: 72" x 23" x 2.5"; Inflation: 10-15 breaths. Lifetime warranty as well.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW7LEOW/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I've ordered the Agiesmax down balaclava and booties for my girlfriend who runs cold, and she's loved them.

WIND HARD Winter Down Hat... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XG7T64?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

WIND HARD Winter Down Booties... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078RZLV37?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

I recently bought my wife the Teton Sports LEEF bag. It’s rated to -18C, and the first bag (after years of 0C down bags from MEC) that she’s warm enough in. This is for camping in northern Alberta from June to September, in temps that dip down to 5C normally.

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00Z77AMOA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_zCEzDbKGY3SGS

I'm not sure you're understanding what people mean when they say pad. They are referring to insulated sleeping pads that are just as thick and comfortable as the "mattress" you chose (it too is a sleeping pad, by the way, but a shitty one). A great example:

https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Static-Season-Sleeping/dp/B00UW7LEOW/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1478140922&sr=8-8

That pad is light, small and with a R-value of 4.4, very warm. You lose most of your heat to the ground, you really need insulation under you. Put your money there first.

If you aren't sure what brands or options are available to you in Europe, walk into any outfitter or camping supply store and tell them you want something warm to sleep on. Lastly, your gear isn't good enough to not wear clothes to sleep. Wear clothes.

https://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Insulated-Double-Sleeping-Orange/dp/B01N28PUYX/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1537804352&sr=8-3&keywords=klymit+insulated+double

$159 Amazon Prime. 74” x 47” x 3” and 3.6lb

Insulated with an R-Value of 4.4

Fits all your requirements

Neoair xlite deal on amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_qoZbBbHB6HPKC

You can actually order one from Amazon now: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072M4M4VT

Just noticed that the NeoAir’s price dropped $50 recently on Amazon. https://camelcamelcamel.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/product/B00PZL14EK

A sleeping bag.

I've been losing weight, and my boyfriend wants to go hiking/camping with me. However, I don't own a sleeping bag, so I can't go with him. I desperately want to get the funds together to get one, but I'm just not there yet! I would like to show off to the world how much stronger i am becoming, but this stupid sleeping bag is holding me back. :(

https://www.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Reactor-Extreme-Thermolite/dp/B003BIT004/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1541914778&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=sea+to+summit+thermolite+reactor+sleeping+bag+liner&dpPl=1&dpID=51O5p0gL2DL&ref=plSrch this is what you want friendo.

you could look over the amazon reviews

Check out the Kelty Cosmic Down 20.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072M4M4VT/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014JQA9VU?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Bought it for a one week solo camping trip to Yellowstone this summer in July from recommendations here...

Got to upper 30s - low 40s at night .. wasn’t as warm as I had thought (thinking at 20 degrees it would keep me furnace warm) ended up sleeping in my rental car a couple nights...

I have used the Trail 40 on a few overnight trips. One problem I have had with it is that if you have a larger sleeping bag, it will take up close to half of the inside pack, even when it is fully compressed and horizontal at the bottom(this is the bag I used). However, I recently got a 40 degree summer sleeping bag and everything except the tent fits very well inside.

I wouldn't trust it without seeing reviews.

When you factor in shipping, you could get the Kelty Cosmic 20 for only $10 more.

Amazon is having a sale on the ThermaRest XLite right now.

https://www.amazon.com/Therm-Rest-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B00PZL14EK/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1527198732&sr=1-1&keywords=thermarest+xlite


Depending on your level of UL ness, you could get Reg or Even Small. Width is a concern for the Small given it is built for women, but it is possible to buy a Reg or XLong and then cut and seal it down to torso length and sleep with your feet on your pack. That's really counting grams though which you can always do later. If you are an average sized guy I'd say go with Reg sizing.

Tent $45 (4.5 star rating)

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundome-2-Person-7-Feet-5-Feet/dp/B004J2KDH0/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783262&sr=1-2


Sleeping pad $50

http://www.amazon.com/Klymit-Static-Camping-Mattress-Green-Grey/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=sr_1_6?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783385&sr=1-6&keywords=sleeping+pad

Sleeping bag $25 (4 star, rated to 20F)

http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Brazos-Cold-Weather-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00363V3OK/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1397783308&sr=1-2&keywords=sleeping+bag

Free shipping on all of it.

You numbers are so full of crap it's embarrassing.

total weight: 12lbs (THAT's where your hammock IS cheaper; weight NOT cost).

EDIT: dyslexiaed a number

+1 to bag liners too if you sleep colder than most for the same reason it traps heat. I've slept in 0C climate with a 4C bag using a liner and pad, no problems... except when the zipper broke.

You mentioned silk sleeping bag liners, but I'd like to mention fleece liners: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003BIT004/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_arc1Db6GN3P1C they insulate you with even more trapped air in your bag.

And/or you could put a mylar emergency bivy over your bag to reflect the heat you radiate: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DW347RP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_6uc1Db1JC0A7R